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Q4 GDP Comes As Expected, Claims Miss Big Two Weeks In A Row

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Following last Thursday's weekly claims release we said "Initial Claims Beat Expectations, To Miss Next Week Following Revision" and sure enough, last week's 348K beat of 350K expectations has been revised wildly higher, to 364K, meaning the initial beat was not only a miss, it was wide by a mile relative to the 350K preliminary expectation. But robots do not care - all they care is the current print, which however this time also missed, printing at 359K on expectations of a 350K number. This is the first 4 week increase in the 4 week SMA since September as the weather impact of the record warm winter starts to fade away, as explained yesterday. Same gimmicks in the continuing claims number too which like everything out of the BLS is so meaningless for concurrent data, we will probably just wait until the next week revision to get a sense of what is truly happening. More troubling is that 78K people fell of extended and EUC claims as more and more drop out of the workforce. This means the unemployment rate just dropped courtesy of even more people giving up on finding work. Thank heavens for BLS math. In other news, the final Q4 GDP revision came unchanged at 3.0%, in line with expectations. There were no major changes to the components, however Personal consumption did decline modestly from the second revision's 1.52% to 1.47%. It also appears that the government has been consistently taking away less and less from "growth", detracting 0.93%, 0.89% and 0.84% with every consecutive revision. Overall, a wash, meaning March is about to close with about with 17 misses out of 19 key economic indicators.

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Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:47 | 2300154 Irish66
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Siegel kiss

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:49 | 2300158 fonzannoon
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"At the same time, new U.S. claims for unemployment benefits fell to a fresh four-year low last week, according to a government report that showed ongoing healing in the labor market. "

whats the disconnect here?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:50 | 2300161 cossack55
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Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:57 | 2300178 fonzannoon
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Right up until now I always thought I had a firm grasp on math....

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:00 | 2300187 brewing
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you have the same grasp of math that the bls has...

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:03 | 2300195 fonzannoon
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Thats just rude. I thought this site was for civilized people.


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:25 | 2300268 Moneyswirth
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It is you fucker...

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:42 | 2300328 smlbizman
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ot...but not really...what is with the quantity of ads on bloomberg with the israeli finance ministers??? what point are they trying to make

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:53 | 2300352 disabledvet
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"bring your own Uzi" (BYOU.)

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:14 | 2300235 Chief KnocAHoma
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Here is the reality:


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:53 | 2300165 Tyler Durden
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Last week's revision up by 16K claims just so the MSM media can report the revised data as "declining" from 364K to 359K. In the meantime, expectations were 350K and 350K. Both missed.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:10 | 2300224 disabledvet
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A blanket "good weather just pushes the predictions forward" simply doesn't wash (or scrub for that matter) well. In housing? Yes, absolutely. In labor? We're still predominantly biological creatures...no different from any other living thing. "give us more sun and we do more." I know it's gotten me off the couch...which is saying something actually.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:16 | 2300241 LongSoupLine
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EXCLUSIVE:  BLS methods captured on film http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UajAiP3tKLg

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:24 | 2300265 John Law Lives
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"Last week's revision up by 16K claims just so the MSM media can report the revised data as "declining" from 364K to 359K." - TD

Sounds strangely bullish... in bizarro world.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:48 | 2300345 lead salad
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Exactly!  From the spinsters at cnbs:


Jobless Claims Down Due to Revision

 Initial claims for state unemployment benefits fell 5,000 to a seasonally adjusted 359,000, the lowest level since April 2008, the Labor Department said on Thursday.

 The report included revisions for claims data from 2007 based on updated seasonal adjustment calculations. New seasonal adjustment factors were also introduced for 2012.

The prior week's figure was revised up to 364,000 from the previously reported 348,000. Economists polled by Reuters had forecast a claims reading of 350,000 for last week.

The four-week moving average for new claims, a measure of labor market trends, declined 3,500 to 365,000.


The Headline said Jobless claims down.  What a fucking farce.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:56 | 2300363 disabledvet
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What's a phucking farce? And that's a question I want an answer to: "what is a phucking farce?" is it different from say...a sexy pharce? Or a farty pharce?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 10:34 | 2300473 poor fella
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Nobody is going to care about ANY of this B.S. when Facebook IPOs...

/sarc..... but true

I barfed in my mouth when zuck was called, "The ONE"


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 10:38 | 2300513 KickIce
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Yep, that'll certainly piss off Obama.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:29 | 2300280 JPM Hater001
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"fresh four-year low'

I dont know about fresh...this whole thing actually stink to all high heaven.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:31 | 2300290 monopoly
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fonz, they give you the headline number knowing that is what the all knowing TV muppets will harp on. Then, the truth goes into the details, which many do not read since they are mentally challenged to understand anything but what they are told.

Looking at the details the employment picture is starting to deteriorate, even by govt. standards. And I have always utilized BBY as a tell on the consumer. And all is just great there. Closing 50 stores and lower earnings. Way to go. 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:50 | 2300160 cossack55
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17 out of 19. Why, oh why, it the BLS not based in Vegas?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:52 | 2300163 djsmps
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You just gotta love CNBS: Final GDP Reading Misses Estimates; Claims Edge Down

Even Santelli, when announcing the news, said that because the previous week was revised upwards, this was a decline. Apparently do these revisions long enough, and everyone will believe them.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:39 | 2300320 Village Smithy
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Seriously, he said that! He must be gunning for Liesmans' job.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:59 | 2300373 disabledvet
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THE MARKET IS DOWN! What? "only a nuclear detonation will please us."? (that can be arranged btw. Anderson Cooper's working on it in Florida. And yes "I hate you gate community people too.")

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:53 | 2300167 lizzy36
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QE infinity will solve everything.

If Bernanke can get measure of economy (DJ index) to 30k, we will all be winners. 

Let's hear it for wealth effect. 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:14 | 2300232 disabledvet
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You've been light on the innuendo of late Elizabeth. "you're never too old on that front" as they say. I haven't seen that black cat I want to strangle around here lately either. What's up with that?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:55 | 2300172 espirit
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Unemployment claims will continue to drop until everyone is unemployed.

Such as it is in Bizzarro World.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:55 | 2300173 msr gold
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Hi...seasonally adjusted claims got historical revisions today. PAY ATTENTION!

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:56 | 2300174 the not so migh...
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Outlaw revisions or delay report


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:09 | 2300223 Bold Eagle
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Delaying report for one week makes the most sense to me, but it takes away manipulation so it's not going to happen.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:56 | 2300176 nickels
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Lies, damned lies, statistics, and Government statistics!

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 08:57 | 2300179 lizzy36
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Also, has Spain come out yet today and denied that it needs a bailout?

Because as soon as we get to 3 denials, my personal bullish indicators go off the charts.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 10:00 | 2300378 disabledvet
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Just fly on out here. Let's have sex.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:05 | 2300209 Spastica Rex
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At 3% annual growth, we'll double our economy in just 23.5 years! Growth is BACK!!! This is good news for me; I look forward to doubling my salary. I'm currenty unemployed. 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:06 | 2300210 Rathmullan
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16K upward revision to last week's claims. But mr. market says: "oh, that was so last week".

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:19 | 2300255 Sathington Willougby
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Note to 2008-2011 (+/- 97 years), spamming economic indicators doesn't an economy make.  It's a good job though, making those spam numbers, if you can't find any work in the carnival.


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:20 | 2300256 lolmao500
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3%... lol... yeah right.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:27 | 2300269 Hedgetard55
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3% in debased dollars, nominal, not real. Also, $1.2 trillion of annual GDP comes from borrowed money.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:29 | 2300285 Quinvarius
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Every day another reason to stay in gold and silver money while waiting for this economic turd of a system to get flushed.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:32 | 2300296 adr
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So the guy sitting at the roulette table bet black the last 60 or so times. Out of some statistical anomoly it landed red every single time. Another guy says, dude you've been wrong every time so maybe it is time to quit. In fact it is impossible for the wheel to land on red that may times in a row. The wheel is rigged and the casino is playing you for a fool.

The guy replies, No I like black and one of these times I'll be right.

The other guy looks at the idiot's shirt and there is a name badge with BLS printed on it. He says, ahh that explains it.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:44 | 2300339 theorist
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I am sorry but the media needs to start to compare comparables. When looking at a data series with the errors that the weekly claims has, you cannot compare a revised time series with an unrevised time series. There are two approaches you can take, one much better than the other. The first is to ignore the first piece of data that is produced and look only at the revised data, meaning you ahve a one week time lag. (Big deal, if you want to use thsi data you want the trend of a few months, you cannot really use one or two points, so waiting a week is not much of an issue), then at least you are comparing thigs that may be validly compared. The alternative is to assume that the error in the numbers is systematic, meaning that the error on the first print this week is of same order of magnitude and direction as last week's. In that case compare last week's unrevised number with this week's unrevised number. If you do this weekly claims have gone up, not down. We will have to wait till next week to see if the revised number for thi s week confiorms this assumption. An alternative to all this is to try and look at what the revised versus unrevised errors have been in the past and create a distribution from it. Then try to guesstimate what the error in this week's number is. Of all, the only simple way we have if we really want to use thsi week's nubmer right now is to look at last week's unrevised one. The media (with the exception of Zero Hedge of course) are truly ignorant. 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 11:15 | 2300544 poor fella
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If only, more people bought into Bernanke's Fractured Fairy Tale!!

Things will have stabilized, I'll cash in my gold, buy a bunch of crap, refill my bank account, and jump into stocks. America will be roaring again! Given enough money-printing people can be dragged into boom-times, the roaring 2020's!!

That's his little-girl dream at least... and B.s.B. can wear a tiara and we'll praise him.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 09:59 | 2300374 gookempucky
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All the while----this continues----unabated........over.


almost forgot AAirlines----10-13k----dynegy-BK----MFnownotsoGlobal--The Newts political vega-1/3 campaign staff.===== etc etc etc.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 11:10 | 2300636 Dapper Dan
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USDAW: Kerry Foods is planning to close its factory in Durham, putting more than 350 jobs at risk - @SkyNewsBreak

350 here 350 there it all adds up,


Best Buy to close 50 big box stores, plans to open 100 new mobile locations - @msnbc_business

Is this growth?, 100 - 50 = 50, so that is 50 new stores? Now you can buy your 60" plasma tv from a guy in a van down by the river.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 11:22 | 2300694 gookempucky
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Dapper reminds me of a true story back in the early 80s---now x fatherinlaw and several others including myself were doing section 8 homes KCK---guy pulls up in a van--4-5 (at that time big color TVs) and X proceeds to purchase one (still in the box)--I said did you take it out and plug it in????--mind your own business I just robbed that guy- I got a 300$ TV for 100$ and its brand new---OK----while back at home the NEW BOXED TV was plugged in--didnt work--x said it was a bad cord---pulled back cover off----I said looks like you need a WHOLE NEW INSIDE TOO-------------laughed for a week.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 10:26 | 2300453 The worst trader
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Being self employed and not worked steadily for 4 years do myself and other self employed count? Unemployment is more like 12%-15%


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 11:04 | 2300602 poor fella
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Could be near 20%

There was a story about record small business startups in the UK. We've been seeing this in the U.S. too, which is really cool since some may in fact be successful. Thing is, the time to start a business is when you're working...  How many people will really be able to make up for that steady paycheck? Or be able to get a loan if they need a cash injection.

This nation and The Global Economic System, is broken. Politicians are so petty and small-minded they're watching it happen, frozen like deer, while reality comes barreling down on us all. Change has to be local and eventually build to a critical mass, because the ass-cracks that run things are only wasting precious time..

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 10:49 | 2300540 eurusdog
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Can't help but notice those shrinking exports.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 11:13 | 2300648 slewie the pi-rat
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L0L  by the time the christmas returns were done, personalConsumptionExpenditures damned near disappeared! {topPurpleLine}

and "fixedInvestment" reporting saved the fuking bacon, BiCheZ!  w/out that one, final adjusted numbers suck, especially V. the projected;  maybe there were just less returns there?

however, as the ministry0truth has spoken, i shall attempt to stop the gaffaws, so as not to violate the alien and sedition laws by appearing disrespectful of authority

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