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QE Lessons: Fiat Grows On Trees - Gold Does Not

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QE Lessons: Fiat Grows On Trees - Gold Does Not

Today’s AM fix was USD 1,756.75, EUR 1,344.31 and GBP 1,081.81 per ounce.
Yesterday’s AM fix was USD 1,767.25, EUR 1,349.36 and GBP 1,089.42 per ounce.

Silver is trading at $34.16/oz, €26.24/oz and £21.10/oz. Platinum is trading at $1,662.00/oz, palladium at $673.60/oz and rhodium at $1,350/oz.

Gold fell $14.00 or 0.79% in New York yesterday and closed at $1,757.60. Silver dropped to as low as $33.806 before it rebounded back higher, and finished trading with a loss of 1.76%. 


Cross Currency Table – (Bloomberg)

Gold inched lower in quiet volatile trade on Tuesday after equity and commodity markets pulled back overnight and investors booked profits from the recent rally created by the US Fed’s QE3 launch.

However the current monetary climate of central bank money printing will cause inflation and this is increasing the appeal of gold for investors.

Platinum also fell, as news announced about Japanese closures of car plants in China due to the escalating territorial dispute between the two nations.

The China Japanese tensions have been simmering for some time and this largely unacknowledged  geopolitical risk is a real risk to markets.

The tensions have led to protests and attacks on Japanese companies such as car makers Toyota Motor Corp and Honda Motor, forcing them to cease operations and there have been hints of trade sanctions.

Platinum is used as an auto catalyst and is necessary part for production in the automotive industry.

Central banks are pursuing quantitative easing, in effect, printing and electronically creating money which is extremely easy for central bankers to do.

Conversely, gold is called a ‘precious metal’ for a reason. Gold remains very precious, finite and very rare. All the gold in the world if made into one large gold bar (0.9999 pure) would be 21 metres cubed and would fit on the centre court of Wimbledon.

Gold needs to be extracted from the bowels of the earth in a gold mine. It needs to be found and it needs much capital and technology and specialist labour to get small amounts of gold out of the ground. 


Lessons of QE: Printing Money Is Easy, Mining Gold Is Not

The process of development can take a very long time and many gold mining companies become insolvent and are not successful in producing even one ounce of gold. When companies are successful, it is often only many years later that one ounce of gold is produced.

This difficult task means that while U.S. money supply in the form of M2 has risen by 30% since June 2008, gold production has fallen by 1.7%, despite rising gold prices.

While the concept of “peak oil” has been widely debated in markets, that of “peak gold” is less well known. This will change in the coming years.


Cash Costs Are Rising for Gold Miners as Grades Are Declining

Rising cash costs have been fuelled by declining ore grades and higher raw material costs – especially with regard to higher oil and energy costs. Mining remains a very energy intensive business.

Ore grades have declined 8% annually, while cash costs have had a 14.1% CAGR since 2005 for senior producers. 

Cost inflation has been driven by fuel, labour and key consumables, which have only been partially mitigated by the rising gold price.


Gold Production Stable Amid Decade-Long Price Surge

Global gold production remains at its level of the late '90s, even though prices have risen to over $1,700 per ounce from $252 per ounce in 1999 or roughly 16% per annum in dollar terms.

Only Rio Tinto and Ivanhoe's Oyu Tolgoi mine in Mongolia stand out as a major new gold mines expected to begin production in the near future.

Bulls note that global production has remained impervious to the price of gold. This may continue to be the case due to the increasingly obvious geological constraints being seen in the gold mining sector.

Resource nationalism is beginning to become an important factor again. This will also almost certainly affect supply at a time when demand is increasing from people throughout the world and many hedge funds, pension funds and central banks’ due to geopolitical, systemic and monetary risks.

The lesson of QE is that fiat currencies increasingly grow on trees. Gold does not. 

This is the primary reason that gold will continue to protect investors in the coming months.

Charts and data courtesy of Bloomberg Industries Kenneth Hoffman and the Precious Metal Mining Team

NEWSWIRE
 

(Bloomberg) -- Gold ETP Holdings Climb to Record for 10th Straight Session
Gold holdings in exchange-traded products backed by the metal rose to a record for the 10th straight session.

The amount increased 2.69 metric tons, or 0.1 percent, to 2,506.29 tons, data tracked by Bloomberg showed.

(Bloomberg) -- South Africa’s ANC, Unions Blame Mine Owners for Violence
South Africa’s ruling party and biggest labor group blamed mining companies for labor unrest that has crippled the world’s biggest platinum industry, saying they failed to pay their employees enough.

Workers at shafts owned by Lonmin Plc, Anglo American Platinum Ltd. and Gold Fields Ltd. have embarked on a series of illegal strikes over the past month. At least 45 people have died at Lonmin’s Marikana mine, 34 of them killed by police on Aug. 16 when they opened fire on protesters.

“The socio-economic conditions of the mine workers at Marikana and other areas are part of what led to the human tragedy that continues to haunt our nation,” the African National Congress’ National Executive Committee, the party’s top leadership structure, said in an e-mailed statement today. “Mining remains the bedrock of the South African economy and yet the abject poverty and squalor surrounding mining areas remains a matter of deep concern.”

The ANC has ruled South Africa since all-race elections in 1994 in alliance with the Congress of South African Trade Unions and the South African Communist Party. While the striking workers have accused the Cosatu-affiliated National Union of Mineworkers of failing to represent their interests, the rival Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union has gained recruits.

Lonmin has blamed union rivalry for igniting tension at Marikana.

Lost Revenue
The strikes at gold and platinum mines this year have cost the economy 4.5 billion rand ($547 million), President Jacob Zuma, who is also leader of the ANC, told unionists in Johannesburg today. The government has lost 3.1 billion rand in revenue as a result of the labor unrest, he said.

South Africa is the world’s biggest producer of platinum , chrome and manganese and mines gold and coal. Anglo American Platinum Ltd., AngloGold Ashanti Ltd. and Xstrata Plc operate in the country.

“Workers in the mines are rising against their continued exploitation by employers,” Cosatu President S’Dumo Dlamini said in an e-mailed copy of a speech he was to deliver today at the federation’s annual congress in Johannesburg. “The problem in Marikana is not rivalry between unions nor can it simply be put as being a widening gap between leaders and members.”

Dlamini accused a “right-wing clique” of seeking to destroy the alliance and undermine its efforts to redistribute wealth and create jobs.

Julius Malema
“We need a response that will draw everybody’s attention and energy on the total restructuring of our economy, so that it can be placed on a labor-absorbing trajectory,” he said. “We need a response that will focus the country on the distribution of wealth and nationalization of the commanding heights of the economy, and as well as for effective land redistribution.”

Cosatu has blamed Julius Malema, the youth leader who was expelled from the ANC this year, for inciting some of the illegal strikes. Police today prevented Malema, 31, from entering a stadium near Marikana where striking workers had gathered. That comes two days after the government deployed army personnel to assist police in seizing weapons from striking miners in Marikana.

(Bloomberg) -- Roads Barricaded by Protesters Near Lonmin
Trenches were dug and large rocks were laid down on the dirt roads leading into the shantytown bordering Lonmin Plc’s Marikana mine after South African police raided the area and confiscated spears and knives.

The barriers were put up less than a kilometer (0.6 miles) from Wonderkop hill, where 34 people were shot and killed by South African police on Aug. 16.

(Bloomberg) -- Rhodium Climbs to Highest Since May on Mine Production Concern
Rhodium climbed to the highest price in 16 weeks on concern unrest in South Africa’s mining industry will cut production and as the Federal Reserve said it will expand monetary stimulus.

Strikes over pay and working conditions in South Africa, the biggest rhodium producer, shut down operations at Anglo American Platinum Ltd., Impala Platinum Holdings Ltd., Lonmin Plc and Gold Fields Ltd. Other precious metals jumped to the highest levels since at least March last week after the Fed said it will buy more debt to bolster the labor market.

Rhodium, usually found alongside platinum and palladium, and mainly used in catalytic converters, fell 87 percent since reaching a record $10,100 an ounce in 2008 as carmakers cut the amount used in each autocatalyst and increased recycling to reduce costs. The surplus will drop 62 percent to 52,900 ounces this year, the least since 2008, Morgan Stanley estimates.

“The riots in South Africa led to an increase,” Hanau, Germany-based trader Heraeus Metallhandelsgesellschaft mbH said in a report e-mailed today.

Rhodium gained a third day, climbing 4 percent to $1,300 by 11:12 a.m. in London. That’s the highest since May 28, according to London-based Johnson Matthey Plc, the maker of one in three autocatalysts. Prices fell to $1,100 last month, the lowest since January 2009, and are down 7.1 percent this year.

South Africa deployed about 150 army personnel to help police quell violent protests at Lonmin’s Marikana mine as the government pledged to crack down on illegal strikes. The month- long standoff between police and thousands of strikers at the Lonmin mine has left at least 45 people dead, including 34 miners shot by police on Aug. 16.

The Fed said Sept. 13 it will buy $40 billion a month of mortgage debt to bolster the labor market and probably hold the federal funds rate near zero until at least the middle of 2015.

Rhodium is used in canisters with honeycomb-like surfaces that transform car emissions. Global sales of cars and light commercial vehicles will rise 5.5 percent to a record 81.1 million units this year, according to LMC Automotive Ltd., a research company in Oxford, England.

(Bloomberg) -- Gold-Borrowing Costs Decline to Lowest in Six Months in London
The cost of borrowing gold fell to a six-month low in London at a time when prices neared the highest since February and holdings in bullion-backed exchange- traded products climbed to a record.

The three-month lease rate fell to minus 0.0559 percent yesterday, the lowest level since March 14, from minus 0.0547 percent on Sept. 14, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The rate is derived by subtracting the gold forward offered rate from the London Interbank Offered Rate. A negative reading means banks have to pay to have their gold deposits lent.

“Plentiful availability of metal for leasing usually implies low lease rates,” according to the London Bullion Market Association’s guide to precious metals markets on its website. “A sudden increase in the supply of gold liquidity to the market will push lease rates down.”

The six-month lease rate for the metal increased to 0.1669 percent yesterday from 0.1662 percent on Sept. 14, when it fell to the lowest level since March 15.

“Lease rates are an indication only of bank-to-bank borrowing charges,” analysts at Hyderabad, India-based Karvy Comtrade Ltd. wrote yesterday in a report. “The degree to which lease rates may be displayed as negative, would suggest the degree to which there is a lack of demand to borrow the metal.”

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NEWS

Why Gold May Hit $2000 by Christmas - Bloomberg

Gold slips after commodities sell-off, off seven-month high - Reuters

South Africa: $563 Million lost in gold, platinum production – Business Week

Ghost warehouse stocks haunt China's steel sector - Reuters

 

COMMENTARY

Global Crisis and Long Slump Catching Up With China – The Telegraph

All Signs Pointing to Gold - GoldSeek

The Fraud of Negative Gold/Silver Lease Rates – Silver Gold Bull

Silver Bull Seasonals – SilverSeek

 


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Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:31 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Go down that hole and find me some fiat Pepe!

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:48 | Link to Comment Genie
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Put seeds ov JahLove inna yo hole:

 

1) hemp grows, paper/money grows

2) seeds grow

3) ...

..

.

;-)

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:02 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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FIAT Does Not "Grow On Trees" No No...

Today, FIATS grow in Computer Hard-Drives...

CTRL-P, Thats it...

 

AU Comes from Mother Earth, Like 2 Miles down...

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:34 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Here a question to ponder;  The "market" price depends on people making bids for the asset. Now ignoring the Fed and PDs (I realized there is no real price discovery), one would certainly expect prices to collapse if everything was to go bidless, but what does everyone expect to happen when no one is even willing to sell?  What will be the tell?  Many of us who deal in physical assets for a living and who are in energy-intense industrys need to try and hedge these sorts of things.  I often look at what copper and other industrial metals, perhaps this is too old school.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:43 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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Someone will always sell at some price.  The question is which market you are looking at.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:56 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Bullshit.  All eCONomies are local and there are numerous examples where during a time of crisis people would not part with certain assets.  Personally I think this was a healthy thing, before a world eCONomy, because it allowed local economies to heal from bad economic times.  While one region corrected, another region prospered.

I often ask people, if the entire world becomes an efficient producer in a one world eCONomy, who are we selling to? Mars?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment AUD
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You need to look at things in terms of marginal utility or 'usefulness at the margin'. Just because something is a 'hard asset' doesn't mean it has any marginal utility. Copper has a fast declining marginal utility. Gold on the other hand, has a near constant marginal utility; no matter how much of it you have, it never loses its usefulness, so value.

Thus the bid for gold is infinite, the bid for copper is not.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:56 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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How does it affect the bids for these assets when they realize that the warehouses storing them are empty?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:06 | Link to Comment AUD
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Not well. In that case even the bid for gold declines rapidly.

A constant or near constant mrginal utility for non existant assets, for example Federal Reserve Bank or government credit, implies a credit bubble.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:59 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Bullshit, I'd say that due to the conductive properties of copper, it never uses it's usefullness.  Stop thinking like a banker, that's what got us all in trouble to begin with.  

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:01 | Link to Comment AUD
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I'd say you've got no fucking idea. Why ask the question if you already know everything?

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:08 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Critical thinking not your strong suit, fine.  I ask serious questions because I need to deliver real products.  Purchasing diesel ahead of the next growing season may not be a good idea, but diesel, like gold, is volitile.  But perhaps you are right and this asset may always catch a bid.  This will dramatically affect my bottom line so I need to consider it carfully.  If the price drops post election, that would be great, but only if it can be delivered in a timely manner.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Thisson
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Maybe you should switch energy sources and stop using diesel?  Maybe something like this: www.agripower.com ?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:19 | Link to Comment fiftybagger
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The opposite of bidless is askless.

Silver For The People

http://www.brotherjohnf.com/

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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Law... Permanent backwardation in the paper mkts and one or more 'failures to deliver'... I believe that these events will be pretty good tells.

At this point in time, with the recent announcements from central bankers, who would sell physical PMs except someone with a very weak hand; ie, sudden and extrodinary medical expenses, etc.

Holding paper PMs now is a fools errand... too many paper claims on too little real stuff.

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:12 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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well we have an oversupply of fools for the foreseeable future so i think there will be paper buyers for some time to come. "I gots me some of that SLV derp yup I be investin smart now Martha" 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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@LawsofPhysics. I see what you're getting at, and no I don't think it is old school to predict prices based on utility/availability. That sort of research is certainly very useful for those who buy and sell tangibles.

But when it comes to the markets, we all know it is a completely different story. From experience,

1) You cannot predict the markets - markets should be considered outside the deterministic universe because they are heavily manipulated

2) Prices are dependent not on the basic fundmentals but on herd behaviour and confidence (What Keynes called, "Animal spirits")

3) Necessity, usefulness, rarity, or any other common-sense measure of value has no meaning when it comes to pricing stuff. Essentially, it is worth whatever someone else is willing to pay for it - ask any art dealer. 

4) If human beings were not such a crazy bunch of animals, clean water, clean air, good food and sunlight would be considered priceless. 

Anyway :), as for the main article, I think the author forgot about the markets and the brokers rehypothecating the crap out of gold at every opportunity. Fiat grows on trees, and criminals turn gold into paper, hence the lessons about always asking for physical delivery.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:35 | Link to Comment TheSilverJournal
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Most fiat is simply keystroke entries into a computer. Ridiculous.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:40 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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00 <----fixed it.

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment Genie
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I hate those damned ATMs - holes in the wall. If only ....

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:38 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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FYI, GOFO, the real "lease" rate for gold, is not negative, and it is RISING.

http://www.lbma.org.uk/pages/?page_id=55&title=gold_forwards&show=2012

Ignore gold experts who quote "lease rates" and don't even know the reported "lease rate" is LIBOR minus GOFO and not a lease rate at all.  If they don't even know that, they don't know shit.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:42 | Link to Comment TideFighter
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Go Steel. Just made a 4-1 reverse split. 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:45 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Johnny what have you done with your life?

 

....you could only pull off a 4-1 reverse split?

 

Oh the shame.....the shame!!!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:42 | Link to Comment Hayabusa
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Look, PMs cost more and more money to extract because like oil the easy to get to stuff has been mined.  When you combine increased inflation... in particular energy, food, equipment, fuel, etc., into gold that is harder and harder to extract one can see how the price of gold will increase more and more... those mining it are in it to make a profit - if the currency is debased more and more that will drive up mining/refining prices and they will charge more and more.  When it starts go really go up in price fast, those who have it will hold it, those who don't won't be able to afford it and those who hold ETF paper promises will be disillusioned.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:43 | Link to Comment Vincent Vega
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With fiat so easily created; I continue to wonder why I get up and go to work everyday. Shit, Bernanke, just print all of us some. Why is it that only your bankster buddies get to have all the fun, cocksucker?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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the bernanke came from out of the college

In the back room he was everybody's darling

But he never lost his head

Even when he was giving head

He says, "Hey, Jamie, Take a walk on the wild side"

Said, "Hey, Lloyd, Take a walk on the wild side"

And the central bankers go "Doo do doo do doo do do doo ..."

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:53 | Link to Comment Genie
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I always hated that song! Thanks for ruining it permanetly!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:00 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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think nothing of it. next up, the gay porno romp Gentle Ben Does Manhattan

edit: Ben Gay's Orgy of College Glee ???

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment Genie
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Can you do anything by Guns n Roses or Pearl Jam. I mean any song ....?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:50 | Link to Comment fuu
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Welcome to the printer, Bernanke exclaims
We print everything you want, honey we run these games
We are the people that inflate, whatever you may need
If you want the money honey we got your disease

In the printer, welcome to the printer
Watch it bring you to your knnn knne knees, knees
In the printer, welcome to the printer
I want to watch you bleed

And when you're high you never ever want to come down
So down, so down, so down, yeah

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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+10

I used to do a little but a little wouldn't do it so the little got more and more-war

I just keep trying to get a little better, said a little better than before-war

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment fuu
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Tied up, tied down, up against the wall, with freshly printed fiat, we can do it all.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:03 | Link to Comment silverserfer
Tue, 09/18/2012 - 21:13 | Link to Comment fuu
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Agreed.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment ghostzapper
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my challenge on this is that everyone and their brother and cousin already knows this and knows about the "unlimited" QE.  so why didn't Gold already rocket to a new all time high?  could be a headfake.  just sayin' . . . . . .   charts has resistance around 1750-1825 as well. 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:08 | Link to Comment Genie
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yo yoyo

any Sisters in the house, brother?

up for the challenge, or nut up!

jus sayin' yo know.

so grrls, pony up.

why didn't Gold already rocket to a new all time high? 

could be a headfake? 

just him sayin'

. . . . . . 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Funny how gold and oil peaked almost simultaneously despite there being vast amount of Au in the sea-water and huge deposits of kerogen....

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment Genie
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Funny how Bob&Sue PEAKed ... almost ... simultaneously!

Despite there being _____ and a _____ing _______!

 

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Let me guess, did you think you made a funny?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:02 | Link to Comment Alpo for Granny
Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:11 | Link to Comment Genie
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Samsung turning into Sony, turning into Olympus, then inside out all over again.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:12 | Link to Comment Euro Monster
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OFF TOPIC!

Would you attend "Economic Growth" lecture where a professor insists to prepare yourself for exam from a book called "Macroeconomics" written by Abel and Bernanke?!?!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:21 | Link to Comment Genie
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Is it for FREE?

How much is your TIME worth?

Send/spend me the time/money.

Study sustainable growth, mutually supportive ecosystems, principles of Permakulture.

Then apply to the economy.

Relax and chill out.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:09 | Link to Comment TheFuture_MrGittes
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Fiat grows on trees - Douglas Adams was a prophet!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Genie
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and made a profit, as they always do.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:16 | Link to Comment EmileLargo
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So the gold price is going up at the same rate as the cost of extracting gold? Jeez, what a bubble!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:23 | Link to Comment Genie
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I like Bubbles as much as Michael Jackson, but Jeez, what a bubble! yo talking about?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:19 | Link to Comment One World Mafia
Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment eddiebe
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A pipe dream.. Gold from sea water would be more profitable.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment One World Mafia
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That's why I put up the link.  Something to be aware of.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment Genie
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uranium seawater hertz!

gold and sea horses from water?

makes sense?

or only in your pipe dreams?

 

(What in the pipe - butterscotch&whiskey or cherry&cola? )

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Well that would certainly put a new floor on uranium.  10x more expensive.

Good information, will try and track down the peer-reviewed article.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Overflow-admin
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Path to affordable uranium from your own body. Want a ride? Costs you an arm.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment TheFuture_MrGittes
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Arthur C. Clarke's estate would have a prior art claim on any patent. See his short story from 'Tales of the White Hart' - 'The Man Who Ploughed the Sea'.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:19 | Link to Comment eddiebe
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 In regards to Gold vs. fiat : Unlike a cure for cancer, there is no cure for stupid: Some people will never get it.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:33 | Link to Comment Genie
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Good news all. Yippie double whammy Oh! There is a cure for stupid: Everyone eventually gets it. It jus takes TIME / LOVE (maybe some paper/money). This is Genie signing off. Goodluck and goodbye.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:25 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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"wealth effect"
an increase in spending that accompanies an increase in perceived wealth

why did the weath effect *not* apply to institutions that have increased their *actual* wealth as they accumulated excess reserves?

lending remained flat.

kinda like the annual public radio fundraising. the public is encouraged to send donations because of "a generous matching contribution" from a wealthy  donor.

printing has been a head-fake: the generous matching contribution sits parked in the fed reserves, un-loaned. or goes overseas. or swirls in the eddy of the FredFan/Vanguard/BlackRock bermuda triangle.

the one place it does *not* seem to ever reach is the visible domestic economy.

but please spend your remaining assets as you misperceive your wealth to have increased. thank you for supporting this station.

now the generous donor can take back his matching gift. didn't need it after all.

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:34 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Gold does not grow on trees but lies in hidden food boxes :

Here is the story of a deceased man who could have been a true ZH member :

Recluse dies; almost $7 million in gold found stashed in home - latimes.com

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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Who stopped posting here around two months ago?: http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/09/17/7-million-in-gold-bars-found-in-...

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment sunnyside
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To me (and for the record I am just a gumpy semi-educated old idiot), an economic crisis just shows us how much that gold is nothing more than another currency to facilitate exchange of needed or desired goods and services.

At the end of the the day I can do very little other than look a bar of gold.  I cannot eat it, live in it, produce energy with it, or have sex with it.  I can however, just like a greenback, use it to trade for these things.  If it's value is derived from its scarcity, so should any other currency.  I don't understand what I am missing or how this is not understood by those who just print, print, print.

I think of this too when gold is talked about as a store of wealth.  I think that is true up to a point of a struggling but working society.  If our current currency collapses, so few people have gold, that barter of any goods and services would be the norm, until another currency is produced.  I would think that value would be in real assets such as land (farm or timber or mineralized, not building lots for mcmansions) or in goods like crops.

Our crimes of the past decade have been with the low interest rates coupled with inflation forcing people into riskier investments than they want to be in just to try and keep even.

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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This is the primary reason that gold will continue to protect investors in the coming months

And centuries.


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Fiat grows on trees .... Gold clings to the roots !

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment socalbeach
socalbeach's picture

There is no need for the author to overstate the case for gold, as in this comment,

"... while U.S. money supply in the form of M2 has risen by 30% since June 2008, gold production has fallen by 1.7%, despite rising gold prices."

A proper comparison with the 30% rise in M2 would be the % rise in the amt of above ground gold, not the change in the amount of increase.

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