QE's Long Shadow Is Getting Shorter

Tyler Durden's picture

With Europe hitting the skids, EURUSD at multi-year lows, and the US equity market down a whopping (and terrifying) 9% from its March highs, it seems the market remains increasingly hopeful that this time will not be different in that the Central Banks of the world will print and save us once more. As a reminder we suspect the ECB can't (collateral is non-existent for the most needy sovereigns/banks) and won't (Germany and the AAA-Club vehemently opposed to losing this game of chicken), China won't (inflationary concerns), and the BoJ won't (after checking to the Fed post-downgrade last night as it appears they recognize their limit). This means, the world has pretty much checked to The Fed - but with TIPS yields a good distance from his precognitive threshold for deflation-avoidance and with the S&P 500 at 1300 still, we suspect the hope is premature. And if performance anxiety is affecting all those long-only managers who are are just now unwinding their P.A. over-allotment to Facebook, we estimate (based on QE1 and QE2) that the S&P could trade down to 1100-1150 before we see Ben step in to save the world - which by the way is only early December 2011 lows. How quickly we lose perspective and anchoring bias takes over when a market rises magically for months without any looking back.



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Check to the Fed.  Hasn't this whole experiment been one large bluff anyway? Show us your cards Bennie. 

MillionDollarBonus_'s picture

My advise to new ZHers just getting started in the world of finance:

The best way to get hands on financial experience is to open a trading account and tune into either CNBC or Bloomberg for AT LEAST 2 hours a day. This way you will be learning first hand what it is like to be a star trader who lives and breathes the markets everyday. There is no better way to learn to trade like a pro IMO.

barliman's picture


Now, now, some people can't think outside their trading channels. You shouldn't be mean to them. It is MUCH easier to take their money if you don't belittle them.

And less anyone get TOO COMFORTABLE with even TD's contrarian view (i.e. QE waiting for S&P to hit 1100) ...

The Black Swan is not the S&P going down to where it has been before.

The Black Swan event is Bernanke holding off on QE until the EU/euro dissolves. This would mean the S&P could go to 900 and Bernanke stil not firing up a new round of QE.

Think about the panic that will REIGN under those circumstances.


Milton Waddams's picture

Yeah, the black swan is Bernanke admitting his theories on ZIRP at the zero bound simply do not translate to broader economic activity.  Which is precisely why he encourages up-and-coming economists to focus on behaviorial economics.  In summary- BB knows how to blow asset bubbles (ZIRP at the zero bound) however he does not know how to bridge asset inflation with sustainable economic activity (asset inflation trickle down).

NakedSwanTrading's picture

Im sure most agree there will be a new wave of turmoil in the markets very soon. We think the phase I of Crash can get started as early as tomorrow morning with the QQQ, leading the way, severely impacting XLK and SMH. Above and beyond the selling wave we have experienced in the last 18 hours, specifically when QQQ trades below $60.33 for 8 or more minutes, anytime before May 29th, then the sell-off will imminently escalate several fold to the downside. If it takes out this level prior to the period, markets can still head south, but a very brief dead cat intra-day bounce is possible before market increases its acceleration downward upon crossing the critical point. It is not a matter of crossing the point for us to have high confidence in the market meltdown. It is just a nearby place in time and price that would make for some even more interesting and unusual downside market activity.


Warning published on May 18th covers borad topic:



MeelionDollerBogus's picture

Sounds right to me. How did your AAPL plays work out? Last time I checked theta was too high for my liking so writing calls for you ought to have done well in combination with your short-term written calls and longer-dated buying of puts & calls if I remember...

slewie the pi-rat's picture

why don't you go fuk yourself, barliman?

and take that moronic string-jumping douche-bag gazillion-dollar asswipe troll with you, too!

barliman's picture


Why slewie, what have I done to piss you off?

It couldn't be making fun of MDB_

It doesn't seem logical it would be my suggestion regarding Bernanke holding off on QE  ... unless you've already gone long on July SPY calls

I don't mind being told to fuck myself but like all great method actors I like to know my motivation.


slewie the pi-rat's picture

you weren't making fun of MDB, you were responding to resurger with a "now, now" when he called out MDB

don't do it again, ok?

MDB is a fuking asswipe string-jumping "popular" troll

if he uses the box at the BOTTOM of the page for his comments instead of "pretending" to reply to somebody he won't have any more problems here and be confusing people of your caliber

any more questions?

barliman's picture



Do I really have to use the /s or /j (jovial) when I jovially respond to someone's mundane response to "a fuking asswipe string-jumping "popular" troll" ?

My response belittled MDB in fairly clear terms. Tell you what, next time I'll just have directly at good old MDB - though I may have to use all sorts of mechanisms to get through to him.



slewie the pi-rat's picture

no problem; as you wish

i'm sorry about the confusion, myself, but i did want resurger to know i totally had his back there, so at least i lit you up for a good cause (o0ps)

thanks for not suing me

Rubicon's picture

Great advice. Next time we dont want something we will let you know.

Samsonov's picture

True, tune in.  Watch.  But know that's what Wall St. wants you to think.  Act accordingly.

Vince Clortho's picture

New ZH readers should be advised that MillionDollarBonus posts are heavily laced with sarcasm and should be viewed in that light.

Dixie Rect's picture

And this just in from MDB:

All of green skin, 800 centuries ago, their bodily fluids include the birth of half-breeds. For the fundamental truth self-determination of the cosmos, for dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.

pemdas's picture

Thanks, MDB, I was wondering where to start!

Piranhanoia's picture

My metaphysician communicated with spirits and to make a long story short, has thrown the bones and based upon her interpretation of the bone pile,  says that only 1 hour of CNBC will make me dream that I am just grass growing on a lawn in Budapest.  I am happy.  Bloomberg is said to cause bowel problems for other people I know, hence group suffering.  Can you change your advice so that I will feel better MDB?

francis_sawyer's picture

My advi(s)e to new ZHers just getting to know (MDB_), or clone version thereof:

If you're interested in 'expediency' with regards to the above mentioned advi(se),

- quit your job

- withdrawl all your savings

- sell all your assets

- Mail all proceeds to Goldman Sachs

- go live under a bridge & scrounge for food

You will have reached market & trading nirvana in 5 easy to follow steps...

Silver Bug's picture

They will print, QE to infinity is assured. They have no choice.



scatterbrains's picture

which reminds me.  What is the fat tail risk of hedgies getting margin called on their over levered long pm positions ?


prodigious_idea's picture

You were doing just fine until you said tune into Bloomberg/CNBC for at least two hours a day.  That's where the dumb money goes to find out the quickest way to give away their capital.

MunX's picture

MDB for once you are right! CNBC is a great place to tune for advice. If CNBC is pumping, you dump. If CNBC is dumping you pump.

WatchingIgnorance's picture

Hey MDB! Are you still mad Jamie lost some of your money?

I find the best experience I gained for the market these days came from when I played at the WSOP (not from Kramer or any of the other puppet bitchez).

So, if MARKETS = CASINOS, don't end up selling your hair to a wig shop!!!

garypaul's picture


PS. I don't know why everyone misses your sarcasm

GeezerGeek's picture

Is it sarcasm or is it satire? He always sounds like the stereotypical CNBC-MSNBC pundit, but carried beyond what they are willing to say aloud.

Either way it's a hoot.

Jake88's picture

That's really not funny. You, Milliondollarbonus, have a dark twisted sense of humor.

skepticCarl's picture

MDB, there is a better way to learn to trade like a pro.  Use options.  The trader can limit her losses while exposing herself (heh heh he said exposing herself) to unlimited gains.

Xue's picture

I started to make money in the stock market when I stopped watching CNBC. My portfolio doesn't like market noise.

theTribster's picture

You forgot the [sarcasm] indicator I think, I hope. There aren't any ZHers that would agree with that thinking. Both CNBC and Bloomberg are scripted, party-line channels - cheerleaders if you will. Occasionally, Santelli is worth listening to and some of their guests but in general they are terrible. I think Bob Psani is is the representative idiot of the CNBC world - 10 years and he still hasn't figured anything out. The best news comes from places like ZH and SeekingAlpha (some of thee writers) and a few others. Bottom line is you have to do your own research.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

he IS the [sarcasm] or /sarc indicator. That's all you need to know.

brooklynlou's picture

I  (heart) MDB

Sarcasm so deep and refined that it can only be apreciated by a connoisseur.

LongBalls's picture

According to this chart and the rate of decay in gold paper prices over the same time span could see spot gold at $1400 to $1350 before more easing.

Then back up the truck again because right around the corner is another debt ceiling fiasco. I presume with the amount of printing they are doing our fearless corrupt D.C. class will have to compromise on taxes. We are so screwed. And to think; interest rates have not started to rise yet.......depressing.

MunX's picture

Maybe he is waiting for jet fuel to go down in price. Flying that helicopter is getting expensive.

vmromk's picture

BLOW ME Bernanke, your wealth effect is going right into the toilet, you FUCKING ASS CLOWN.

vmromk's picture

I'm praying for more QE, because whatever minor effect it will have on the rigged stock market, it will have a more pronounced effect of the metals market.


Just think of the effect more QE will have on all of the unemployed while this SCUMBAG COCKSUCKER is deliberately trying to conjure up massive inflation to help the insolvent banks.


FUCK YOU Bernanke !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nudlee's picture

what about cutting the reserve ratios?

FieldingMellish's picture

Election year will cause the load to get blown earlier. June timeframe.

Vince Clortho's picture

If QE comes in June, they are going to have to keep it up for at least 5 months if they are trying to influence elections.

The positive effects on equities will have a very short life span this time.  I believe a significant number of Americans will soon become very concerned with the specter of massive inflation arriving hand in hand with the next printing spree to flush the bankers pockets with cash "one more time".

QE could really backfire this time.

cougar_w's picture

They will announce QE3 in concert with "other measures" to improve employment and boost housing sales.

QE3 (~$2T) will be delivered to the banks over the course of a month probably starting in June. Those "other measures" (~$0.0002T) will be timed to have an impact after elections, of course.

And of course, they will never happen.

There will be no backlash. People are frozen with fear. There will be a collective whimper and then a long, unbroken scream of unmasked terror.

And then. It will finally. Become interesting.

resurger's picture

This is exactly how the markets will go ...

yet, wall street blames the average joe


check the video



firstdivision's picture

DXY and WTI are fast approaching QE-proval level's.  I'll start loading up on FB when DXY breaks 85. 

franzpick's picture

New lows for the indices, and the day is early.

metastar's picture

Revolution = Checkmate

Elwood P Suggins's picture

And once again the ECB won't print because the Germans won't agree.




The Germans will agree in the end - they are NOT going to be put in a position where they or Merkel can be accused of destroying the Sacred Euro.

CrashisOptimistic's picture

That's not the point they will make in rebuttal.  Their point will be:

Printing destroys the Euro.  We won't allow it to be destroyed.

tallen's picture

Printing destroys the euro.

Not printing destroys the euro.

What we need is a schrodinger printer. It is printing, but not printing at the same time.