Quarto Reich: Italy Goes "There" Again

Tyler Durden's picture

Just because Italy's 2 Year bond yield has plunged, bringing its cost of short term funding to manageable levels, if only for a day or two, it is suddenly "obvious" that it will not need Germany's goodwill ever again. Sure enough...

The Daily Mail explains:

An Italian newspaper owned by former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi has caused controversy by printing a front page headline which said 'Fourth Reich' above a picture of German chancellor Angela Merkel.


The picture in newspaper Il Giornale also showed Chancellor Merkel raising her right arm in salute, a gesture associated with the Nazi salute used by Hitler's followers.


The article, which was published on Friday, has heightened a bitter war of words between Italy and Germany over the handling of the ongoing Euro crisis.


The angry article attacked tough talking Chancellor Merkel saying that her intransigence had brought 'us and Europe to its knees' adding that 'Italy is no longer in Europe but in the Fourth Reich.'


It went on to say: 'In the First Reich, Germany also wanted the title Emperor of Rome and in the next two they used their own means again against the states of Europe, two world wars and millions of dead, obviously this was not enough to quieten German egomania.


'Once again it has surfaced but this time not with the use of cannon, this time it's the Euro.


'The Germans believe it's theirs and we have to submit, surrender, hand ourselves over to the new Kaiser Angela Merkel who wants to rule in our own house.'


It is not the first time that Il Giornale has been at the centre of controversy with Germany - two months ago after Italy beat Germany in the Euro 2012 semi final they printed a picture of Chancellor Merkel below the headline: 'Ciao, ciao culona' which translates as 'Bye bye lard arse.'

Or, in retrospect, Berlusconi attempting to antagonize Germany and in the process foundering Monti's cabinet as Merkel joins Weidmann in just saying Nein, is not the worst strategy available to the former PM whose own tenure was cut short when the ECB refused to bail Italy out last November, stopped buying Italian bonds, forcing his resignation once Italian bonds hits 7%, and replacing him with a Goldman apparatchik.

Revenge just may be a dish served best cold all over again.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
veyron's picture

Hours behind Fox Business on this one ...

Temporis's picture

I thought Italy was allies with the Nazi's during WWII...

doesn't this make them hypocrites?

insanelysane's picture

Italy is lucky there is a France because they surrender almost as fast as the French but not quite.

Sudden Debt's picture

at least the French run away... the Italians even give up on running away....

redpill's picture

Y U No come to our bunga bunga parties anymore, Snaushage Eaterz!?

MillionDollarBoner_'s picture

Everyone knows Italian tanks have five reverse gears and one forward.

The forward gear is in case the enemy attack from the rear ;o)

engineertheeconomy's picture

Italian Tanks are built almost as good as a YUGO

MillionDollarBoner_'s picture

Ironically...did you know:

The Fiat-Ansaldo M13/40 was an Italian World War II tank designed to replace the Fiat L3, the Fiat L6/40 and the Fiat M11/39 in the Italian Army at the start of World War II.



Zastava was founded as an arms manufacturer in 1853. By the late 1930s the company had expanded into automobile production. The first passenger models were produced on 26 August 1953 using designs licensed by Fiat of Turin. The first model designed by Zastava was a sedan called the Milletrecento ("one thousand three hundred") powered by a 1300 cc engine. Some of the most successful models were those based on the Fiat 128 model, marketed under different names: Zastava 101, Zastava 128, Zastava 311, Zastava Skala, etc.


the Crvena Zastava factory which used to make Yugo cars in the former Yugoslavia had been sold to Italian automobile magnate Fiat. That's where the new Fiat 500L is being made.

What goes around, comes around ;o)

The Big Ching-aso's picture



This is Italian revenge 4 all those pasty Bavarian fat phucks in Speedos marooned on their beaches.

noses's picture

FIAT - For Italian Appropriate Technology

magpie's picture

I hope the Greeks and Spaniards don't forget to ask for reparations.

Azannoth's picture

In fact the Allies(especially the Russians) commited more war crimes in reality than the Nazi's 'on paper' netherless everybody wants to paint them selves on the 'right-side' of history

john39's picture

come on, firebombing japaenese cities to terrorize the population... followed by nuking two cities of no particular military significance?  that was all done to save lives, or something...  /s

MarsInScorpio's picture



Gawd, you are one ignorant fool.


We faced an enemy which held the Emperor up as a god; there was no surrender for them. Years after the war ended, there were still Jap soldiers coming out of the jungle ready to kill.



The only way that the war could be ended with less than house-to-house fighting, which would have been incredibly more bloody than anything that was done instead, was to literally put the prospect of completely wiping the Japanese from the face of the Earth using technology instead of humans as their fate.


This had to be put directly into the face of the Emperor - the only Jap who had the power to pull the plug on the warlords running the country.


The truth is that using firestorms and atom bombs saved most of the island's infrastructure - and its people. Imagine rebuilding Japan if it had been turned into a mass of ruble from conventional bombing, artillery attacks, and formations of soldiers blowing up everything in front of them to get the Jap soldiers and civilians who were prepared to die for the Emperor rather than surrender.


You are probably one of those ignorant fools who thinks that it was possible to somehow defeat the Japs without resort to such techniques. You are probably ignorant as a stick about the complete animalism demonstrated by the Japs to those they conquered. They butchered everyone they defeated - they made the Nazis look like choirboys in comparison.


The Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, the use of Koreans and Chinese for the Japanese version of Dr. Mengele - only the atrocities multiplied by 100, the Death Camps that rivaled the Gas Chambers for genocidal horror, the beheadings of captured British troops . . . you are such a fool to not recognize that the Japs were less than animals in their conduct.


And where do you think the cultural of the Kimikaze came from? Are you so ignorant that you can't see that any nation willing to enthusiastically send its people on suicide missions as an "acceptable strategic option" demonstrates you are dealing with a country with no regard for death - whether it be the death of others, or the death of their own?


So do you think you were going to politely ask them to surrender? The warlords knew they were marked for death as war criminals. They had nothing to lose by having every other Jap on the face of the planet die in an effort to save their own life. And that is exactly what they planned to do - revisionist fiascoes of history notwithstanding.


So what do you do, ignorant one?


The US did what it had to do to save millions of lives - those of our own troops, and the citizens of Japan who were nothing but human fodder to the warlords.


The Japs have never paid for their crimes as have the Germans. To this day they skip over their disgusting history. To this day they do not feel the need to apologize for what they did - because, for political reasons - they have never been held accountable as they should.


You are typical of the idiots who know nothing of history, but shoot off their mouth anyway in a sick attempt to be "sophisticated" and witty.


You are neither.


Cyrano de Bivouac's picture

We(the USA) could have easily found a less lethal way of ending the war. The Japanese were trying through diplomatic channels to end hostiliites so why couldn't we play along? The allied cause which was always depicted as being motivated by the noblest motives and behavior culminated in the massacre of over a 100,000 people. I can think of one way we could have avoided the atomic attacks, find a deserted island and drop the bomb on it with some Japanese miltitary officers in attendence. It would be worth a try wouldn't it? 

MarsInScorpio's picture



I've also read the revisionist history.


The truth is that only the warlords running the country could surrender - outside of the Emperor. Only he had the power to deprive them of their power.


People in the West can't grasp the oriental culture of death - even though we are getting a taste of it from the serial mass murderers of the Islamic jihadists. I remember my father telling me about the way that when he served in the south Pacific (legitimate Purple Heart recipient for having his shipped bombed out from under him) - that when they attempted to pick up survivors from a sunken - or sinking - ship, the Japanese would literally drown themselves rather than be rescued.


That mentality is incomprehensible to us.


I went to Wikipedia to add something to my prior post to John39 about the Rape of Nanking. For whatever reason I tripped some filter and ZH won't let me edit it. I'm going to use this reply to put it in everyone's face so they can grasp the brutality of the Imperial Japanese Army we faced:


"On 10 February 1938, Legation Secretary of the German Embassy, Rosen, wrote to his Foreign Ministry about a film made in December by Reverend John Magee to recommend its purchase. Here is an excerpt from his letter and a description of some of its shots, kept in the Political Archives of the Foreign Ministry in Berlin.

"During the Japanese reign of terror in Nanking – which, by the way, continues to this day to a considerable degree – the Reverend John Magee, a member of the American Episcopal Church Mission who has been here for almost a quarter of a century, took motion pictures that eloquently bear witness to the atrocities committed by the Japanese .... One will have to wait and see whether the highest officers in the Japanese army succeed, as they have indicated, in stopping the activities of their troops, which continue even today. 

"On December 13, about 30 soldiers came to a Chinese house at #5 Hsing Lu Koo in the southeastern part of Nanking, and demanded entrance. The door was open by the landlord, a Mohammedan named Ha. They killed him immediately with a revolver and also Mrs. Ha, who knelt before them after Ha's death, begging them not to kill anyone else. Mrs. Ha asked them why they killed her husband and they shot her. Mrs. Hsia was dragged out from under a table in the guest hall where she had tried to hide with her 1 year old baby. After being stripped and raped by one or more men, she was bayoneted in the chest, and then had a bottle thrust into her vagina. The baby was killed with a bayonet. Some soldiers then went to the next room, where Mrs. Hsia's parents, aged 76 and 74, and her two daughters aged 16 and 14. They were about to rape the girls when the grandmother tried to protect them. The soldiers killed her with a revolver. The grandfather grasped the body of his wife and was killed. The two girls were then stripped, the elder being raped by 2–3 men, and the younger by 3. The older girl was stabbed afterwards and a cane was rammed in her vagina. The younger girl was bayoneted also but was spared the horrible treatment that had been meted out to her sister and mother. The soldiers then bayoneted another sister of between 7–8, who was also in the room. The last murders in the house were of Ha's two children, aged 4 and 2 respectively. The older was bayoneted and the younger split down through the head with a sword."


The Japanese took out as many as 300,000 people. The fact that it turned the stomach of even the German Nazi in-charge in Nanking should tell you something about just how animal the Japanese became.


That is what we were up against. OK, 100,000 people died in the bombings. How many would have died on both sides if we had gone house-to-house to conquer the island?


So no, I don't buy the revisionist history that if we had set off the bomb, the Japanese warlords would have surrendered.


Why? Because they saw its destruction not once, but twice! And they didn't surrender.


No, the Emperor surrendered. Not the warlords.


It would be good to keep that in mind when considering whether showing them the bomb elsewhere would have made them surrender, when seeing its effects on their own country did nothing to move them.


Coast Watcher's picture

Are you really so ignorant of history as to have such a simplistic notion of the Japanese psyche before and during WWII? When it comes to dying for a cause, the Japanese of the war make today's suicude bombers look like pikers. They invented the Banzai charge  not to kill the enemy but to die gloriously for their God Emperor.

MarsInScorpio's picture



You taking to me? That is my entire point - they were the ultimate fanatic, and were not about to surrender regardless of what weapons we possessed or what destructions rained down on them.


We are fortunate the Emperor had some sense. Ultimately, I think that is the only reason MacArthur allowed him and his family to live.


Coast Watcher's picture

Mars, no, not you.  We posted at the same time, apparently. I actually agree with most of what you've said. I'm talking to the starry-eyed pseudo historian who thinks the Japanese would have surrendered if we had demo'd the Bomb on some empty atoll.

Element's picture

OMG, I just realised how fucking sick and tired I am of idiotic selective expert mass debates about the end of world War II.

john39's picture

good work on memorizing the propagandized cartoon version of history.  your overlords are very proud...   btw, the "jap" emperor  was just a puppet...   as knowledgeable as you claim to be, I would have thought you would have know that.

MarsInScorpio's picture



You continue your idiotic remarks.


If he was a puppet, how then did he strip the warlords of their power? Puppets - by definition - don't tell the puppet master what to do. Yours is an incredibly idiotic remark.


Then to throw in some trash remark about my "overlords" - OK, you win the whack job award for this thread.


Go read about the atrocities I noted - or are you a "Denialist" too? The Japanese atrocities never happened, the Holocaust never happened, it's all a Zionist plot, blah, blah, blah, insanity, insanity, and more insanity from your ilk.


I have a life to live. Goodbye.


john39's picture

japenese women and children living in hiroshima committed the Nanjing massacre?  wow, news to me, thanks for pointing that out.   I lived in Nanjing and somehow managed to miss that bit of history...    I guess then that the vietnamese should have nuked Chicago to address the injustice of the My Lai massacre in your view?  great logic man.  

Element's picture

You're arguing with a morbid zombie-troll john, head-shot it and move on. ;)

99ers are not collaterall's picture

You are the stupid fuck.Is that the same reason Allies flatened Dresden after Germany signed surrender.You know shit so shut the fuck up.

TheObsoleteMan's picture

"The Japs have never paid for their crimes as have the Germans."


How many jews did the japanese kill?

Joe A's picture

Oh yeah, the Russians had even more and bigger bigger deathcamps than the nazis....NOT.

tenpanhandle's picture

History lesson #1:  war crimes are only committed by the losers of said war.

Piranhanoia's picture

When faced with lamposts, as they are now,  Bunga, Monti and Draghi will volunteer to be her bitches faster than you can say tutti frutti.

Rip van Wrinkle's picture

Italy always comes to the best outcome....back the winners.

Indrid Cold's picture

doesn't this make them hypocrites?

And jealous, apparently.

Redhotfill's picture

No,  if you were Italian you would understand. 

Hober Mallow's picture

Yeah sure, as if Italians didn't have their own fascism a la Benito Mussolini.

Camicie nere everywhere in the 30's and 40's. Italians so proud of their clown-dictator. Country of clowns.


Dr. Engali's picture

The progressive elite's in the U.S have the something in common


 “I remember distinctly an image of--we were sitting on his couches, and I was looking at his pant leg and his perfectly creased pant,” Brooks says, “and I’m thinking, a) he’s going to be president and b) he’ll be a very good president.”

Ying-Yang's picture

Carmela Soprano: I think you should pay him, Tony.
Anthony 'Tony' Soprano Sr.: No fucking way!
Carmela Soprano: What, your daughter's future isn't worth 10,000 dollars?
Anthony 'Tony' Soprano Sr.: That's not it. That motherfucker's full of shit. He's shaking me down.
Carmela Soprano: No, he's not.
Anthony 'Tony' Soprano Sr.: Oh, yeah? Who knows more about extortion, me or you?

azzhatter's picture

Tony's got a point right there

NotApplicable's picture

Gee, where have I heard this storyline before???

I like how the Daily Mail described the picture as Merkel "saluting."

Because we all know, that what she does everyday.

Looks like another case of "Let's you and him fight!"

FreedomGuy's picture

Someone might want to remind Berlusconi that Italy and Germany were on the same side in that whole Third Reich thing. In fact, Italy was allied with the second reich/Kaiser in WW I, too but they stabbed their ally in the back and changed sides.

Element's picture

oi ! ... knock that off! ... that's no longer the truth! ... 

We won't have thought-criminals coming in here and spreading lies around, and trying to twist all the known facts to fit some absurd fictional version of hystery!

FreedomGuy's picture

You are right, Element. I am going to forget that history and then forget the act of forgetting. Only then will the true history be revealed.

Jlmadyson's picture

You know it's bad when...

pain_and_soros's picture

Let's see....you borrow money you have no intention of ever repaying, then get pissed at the lenders for finally figuring out you're not good for the money...and when your pathetic begging gets shunned & you're told to live within your means, you throw a tantrum..

Yea, that sounds about right for Italy.


Rubicon's picture

Sounds about right for me too.

NotApplicable's picture

Funny, reading that post I thought you're talking about a person. Then I get to the end and instead find a soulless abstraction, capable of absolutely none of what you've described.

Yea, that sounds about right for collectivists.

Zero Debt's picture

This newspaper is simply attempting to stir up emotions by depicting the Euro/Germany relation as a scapegoat and external enemy to drum up nationalistic fervor, deflect blame and buy time. The old guard will be back shortly and the beatings will continue until moral improves.