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The Question(s) Of Italy's 2451.8 Tons Of Gold

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As the following update from the World Gold Council reminds us, at the end of October, Italy had 2,451.8 tonnes of gold, or roughly $140 billion dollars at today's price. We doubt we are the only ones keeping track of all this gold (most of it almost certainly 'safe and sound' about 150 feet deep under the infamous LIberty 33 location). We also doubt we are the only ones curious about its future, which we see as have five distinct possible outcomes: i) nothing; ii) it is currently being shipped quietly from The New York Fed to Italy for "general corporate purposes); iii) it has already been shipped and is currently being loaded up in Silvio's private jet; iv) the G-20 is already preparing to launch a formal demand that in order to remain in the Eurozone and to find the EFSF, which will be used to buy Italian bonds, Italy will have to do its patriotic duty and remit it to the ECB, an extortion attempt which was tried with Germany last week and which failed spectacularly; or v) it is being lent out to other countries who have long since sold their gold and continue to pretend they have some hard asset backing to the currencies issued by their own central banks. We hope to get an answer shortly.


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Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:40 | 1853781 goldencross10
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You sure it is just not painted bricks?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:50 | 1853830 redpill
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Amazing how much attention is being paid to this inedible traditional barbarous relic.

So very amusing to see that when these ponzi pricks are finally forced to face the music, the real questions start being asked.  How much gold you got?


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:53 | 1853843 Leopold B. Scotch
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I mean, like, really.  Who are we kidding?  Like, its not even backed by Anything.

Indeed, the Shitwinds are a' blowin'

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:56 | 1853871 SheepDog-One
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Shithawks are circlin....big, dirty shithawks.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:01 | 1853896 redpill
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It's like a game of Texas hold 'em, except instead of only 5 cards in the middle, they just keep turning them over in hopes that someone can get a royal flush.  But now that the deck is running out of cards, people curiously want to start seeing each others hands.

In response, so many countries want to talk talk talk talk about why they shouldn't need to turn over their hands, why can't we just split the pot?  But as the remaining cards dwindle, the words mean less and less and less.  Soon it is just noise, an obvious attempt to avoid the inevitable.  STOP JAWING AND FLIP OVER YOUR CARDS, I'M CALLING YOU.  Then things get fun.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:14 | 1853940 eureka
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The cards will not be flipped - because US Empire, via NY FED, "holds" most European gold - except it's not there anymore, because US Empire stole it and sold it off long ago, because its strategy is to fuck the entire world with the three satanic weapons of empire:


or - in mafia language:


If the cards were flipped, these self-evident truths would be revealed, US Empire would crumble - and even the majority of the 99% citizen slaves, don't want that.

US Ivy Leagues spew execs for Wall Street, US Corporation, US corrupt politicians, CIA, Pentagun, HomeLand Security - the new faces of National Socialism.

The game is rigged. Get your revolvers out. It IS the WILD WEST all over - except your up against not a few rotten apples, but an entire satanic system - and whoever draws fastest lives another day. It is each man for himself.

Justice and truth are fairy tales.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:21 | 1853965 redpill
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I'll get the revolver out, since you need something to shoot on your way to get your rifle!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:40 | 1854030 Troll Magnet
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Gold's not backed by anything?  Are you serious?  LOL!!!  Dumbasses!!!

Gold is backed by GLDs and ETFs, you idiots! 

If you can't get your hands on physical, they'll give you a bunch of certificates!

I mean, who wouldn't want a bunch of certificates? 

In case you morons haven't noticed, it's NOVEMBER and shit's about to get COLD!

And as you all know, you can't burn gold.  But you can burn paper all day and all night to keep your asses WARM!

Jeezus!  Now, let's get back to talking about 9-9-9 plan.  I hear it's like, totally hip right now.  MSM tells me so.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:47 | 1854053 redpill
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9 pizzas with 9 toppings for 9 tenth-ounce silver coins!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:56 | 1854082 Troll Magnet
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too expensive. i'll pass.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:23 | 1854233 Transformer
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You know, I bet that chart up there in the article, is a complete and total fiction.   If you look into the US gold, well, do we have any?  Think the other countries are any different?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:07 | 1854417 ViewfromUnderth...
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two words...Bob Rubin

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:24 | 1853980 nugjuice
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I reject your "99% citizen slaves" comment. It's much closer to 95%. There are still intelligent people left in this country, we just unfortunately don't have the political or financial might to do much about it. You can blame this on our two-party joke of an election system which consistently lets us choose between 'awful' and 'worse.'

Say what you want about our politicians, but we as a people are pretty pissed off.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:23 | 1853962 Manthong
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Something's not right here..

$61 Billion in gold ain’t squat compared to €1900 Billion in debt.

Unless that gold is worth a whole lot more than $61 Billion..


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:41 | 1854033 Al Gorerhythm
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The something not right there is in the header of the WGCs table. If you believe that fiat currencies are debt instruments, a promise to settle (as opposed to pay, they got paid in paper) then the percentage down the list should be 100% (if you don't want to lose your sovereignty). The reserve of only resort is gold. It has been leveraged by sovereign promisary paper and will be reformulated by demand for settlement.

 Germany, Italy or any other country will never let go of their only settlement device. It will be gold or war that settles this. There are no other alternatives that present themselves that I can think of.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:43 | 1854042 DollarDive
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Exactly Watson......


The gold is worth a lot more than what it's on the books for   :)

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:57 | 1854087 zhandax
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At the current $1780/oz, 2451 tonnes of gold is worth around $140 billion.  Still a piss in the ocean compared to that much debt.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:00 | 1854396 boiltherich
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You are all wrong, Italian gold reserves are worth in US dollars 116.05 billion.

There are 2,451.8 tonnes, that is a metric ton at 2,200 pounds to the ton = 5,393,960 pounds of gold @12 troy ounces per pound = 64,727,520 ounces @ $1,793 per ounce two minutes ago = $116,056,443,360

Anytime you see the word TON spelled TONNE it is a metric ton at 2200 pounds.  Please keep that in mind, and do not forget that there are 12 troy ounces in a pound, save you a lot of embarrassment some day.



Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:48 | 1855205 saulysw
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Ton, tonne. It doesn't really matter, they are in the same order of magnitude. 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 22:47 | 1855355 boiltherich
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We are talking about a material that is practically priced by the atom.  Not only does that 200 pounds per ton matter it matters even more that there are 12 troy ounces in a pound rather than the 16 most of you think are in a pound where gold is concerned, like you would have for hamburger or your own body.  Look at how far off TD's original calculation was, nearly forty BILLION dollars.  That is not the same order of magnitude, and his correction was little better, still off by 24 billion dollars. 

It makes me question the knowledge here of all the die hard gold bugs that cannot even make such a simple math calculation.  It would mean to me that many or most here are operating on false assumptions and do not even care.  That is mob mentality not the deliberate consideration we will need to get through what is about to happen to all of us. 

It DOESN'T MATTER?  Fine, then sell me 100 pounds of gold at spot (just make sure you count out 16 coins per pound).  In fact you sell me those 1,600 one ounce coins and I will pay you 10% over spot.  Then we will see if it matters to you because I will have just stolen 15% of your gold, ethically speaking, by taking advantage of your ignorance. 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 23:32 | 1855452 Bollixed
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"There are 2,451.8 tonnes, that is a metric ton at 2,200 pounds to the ton = 5,393,960 pounds of gold @12 troy ounces per pound = 64,727,520 ounces @ $1,793 per ounce two minutes ago = $116,056,443,360"


There are 32,150 troy ounces in 1 metric tonne (1,000 kilos) so 2451.8 tonnes = 78,825,370 troy ounces @ $1793 per ounce = $141,333,888,410.00

Don't they teach math in school these days?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 02:06 | 1855662 boiltherich
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OK smart ass, setting aside conversions and math from metric tonnes to avoirdupois to US short tons or troy ounces, and multiplying by the spot price of the moment in dollars, here is what the Banca D'Italia says Italian gold reserves are worth and they ought to know since they hold Italy's gold:

The increase in the value of gold (79 million ounces or 2,452 tons) was entirely due to the rise in the metal’s price.

 For what it is worth that is the statement made by the central bank of Italy on it's total gold holding as of 12/31/2010. 

?NOW, multiply that by the US dollar spot price and we have no more arguments. 


?79,000,000 X 1793 per ounce = $141,647,000,000.  OK?  We good? 

?See page 232.






Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:24 | 1902992 Stares straight...
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That's why I use avagadro's number and always do my conversions in moles. 

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:05 | 1902408 Lord Blankcheck
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a troy oz is 31.1 grams,which is(454/31.1)= 14.6 toz/lb


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:03 | 1854408 Manthong
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TD's caught the math error..  : ) 

Settlement device... yes..

I vote for war. That way the victor gets the gold AND the women. 

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:03 | 1902854 vato poco
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War? Excellent! I call dibs on 10,000 oz. and Monica Bellucci.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:12 | 1854437 ViewfromUnderth...
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Central Banks list their gold holdings as "gold and gold receivables" as if the leased gold is the same as the physical...US Treasury sure does.

Is it a coincidence that gold spiked around the time Venezuala took delivery?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 22:15 | 1855321 jeff montanye
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no.  and remember the first one to default/demand bullion back/haircut sovereign debt does best.  second one to do so does next best ....

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:57 | 1854630 Ponzi Unit
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Yes, there is always the chance that gold is worth more. Like today, for example, when it looks like the scales are falling from a few people's eyes: $1798 spot.

Notice the sudden respectability of the quaint tradition? No, it's not money, that is unless you want to acept my gold as collateral, and then it's nein!

Moving south, the German response is followed quickly by Va fa un culo!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:19 | 1854197 The Shootist
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High-larious.  =)

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 21:40 | 1855279 HedgeCock
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Shitclock's ticking, Bubs.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:55 | 1853862 topcallingtroll
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I am not a gold bug, but I do have to admit actions speak louder than words.

Germany just informed the world that gold is the ultimate asset.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:00 | 1853889 SheepDog-One
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Notice how suddenly theyre not talking about free leveraged up money out of thin air? Uh oh.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:46 | 1854052 Al Gorerhythm
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You will come to the dark side, Luke. Your "Come to Jesus" moment will arrive sooner rather than later. Some "Get It" by reasoning, others have to be clubbed into submission. What's it to be?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:35 | 1854296 bernorange
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Tradition bitchez

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:14 | 1854450 ViewfromUnderth...
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Loved that last top call...keep them coming until about $1,965 pls

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:06 | 1853910 SeverinSlade
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Price action in PMs today in response to EU demanding that Germany use its gold reserves to back EFSF?  Perhaps gold is now once again being seen for what it really is?  Real money and the only safe haven in existence?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:10 | 1853919 redpill
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I think once the word "Italy" became the big headline today, a big portion of the market took a small squidgy shit in their pants and realized this could all get very ugly.  In a world where giant amorphous leveraged super funds with unclear guarantees are heralded as the savior of modern economies, it is suddenly very comforting to own something real that does not rely on any promises from politicians.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:15 | 1853944 SeverinSlade
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Italy is going to make Greece look like a picnic just like 2011/2012 is going to make 2008 look like a cake walk.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:21 | 1854490 ViewfromUnderth...
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or those MF Global accounts were shorts and front run.

Oct 31 was just before the beat down to $1,681 so a lot of them might have been like that MF G unfortunate quoted by BBerg with the 8,000GC who stood to "lose a lot of money"...not if he was long.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:21 | 1855042 yabyum
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Not enough.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:50 | 1853832 Long-John-Silver
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Tungsten is short as sovereigns demand physical shipments. Gold Bricking is the only other option.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:00 | 1853888 Jonas Parker
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No, it's 100% pure gold-plated titanium!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:20 | 1853963 trav7777
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one is left to question how many paper lease claims are on those golds.  Or when leased was it paper sold or physical sold...

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:42 | 1853785 JSD
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Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:46 | 1853805 Bicycle Repairman
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If Italy's gold is being held at 33 Liberty St., there is no reason to fight.  Just change the name tags on the pallets. Done.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:53 | 1853849 Long-John-Silver
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No one would dare melt it. The melting point of Tungsten is higher than Gold.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:35 | 1854013 Confuchius
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24k Au melt = (Centigrade) 1063.

Tungsten    =     3680 Centigrade (or 6656 Fahrenheit)

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:36 | 1854016 mvsjcl
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Unless one moves the smelting operations to the vicinity of Ground Zero, where melting points--indeed, the laws of physics themselves!--are meaningless and totally arbitrary, completely at the whims of governmental bodies and quasi-scientific boards.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:42 | 1854035 trav7777
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no laws of physics were violated at ground zero, nor were they proposed to have

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:58 | 1854089 mvsjcl
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Yes. You're absolutely correct, Trav. No Laws were broken. Many laws were broken, but no Laws. Both observations are obvious to all who wish to see beyond the puppet show.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:57 | 1854392 Au Shucks
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So I take it you are not aware of the melted gold story beneath the WTC, huh?  Or you are aware, but have your hands over your ears?  eyes?  Perhaps moving them over your mouth so you can't type or speak would be the best course of action.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 17:00 | 1854645 Ponzi Unit
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Thermite burns pretty hot, I hear.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:51 | 1854064 Silver Pullet
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There is already 40 or more name tags on every bar. They're running out of room.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:52 | 1854065 Silver Pullet
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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 20:28 | 1858935 Crumbles
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Cue WW3 ?

QVC on the WWWeb ?

Just joined the stupid queue tonight?

Ahhh ignorance - how the signs do surface to put the lie to a poorly expressed thought.

Wait, never mind - there was no thought to begin with.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:42 | 1853786 SeverinSlade
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Berlisconi used it on hookers

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:42 | 1853787 Cognitive Dissonance
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A ton here, a ton there.

Before you know it, that's a whole lot of Gold plated Tungsten.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:46 | 1853806 GeneMarchbanks
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I'm going with iv)

The first of the twelve steps back to the tungsten standard.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:54 | 1853853 Leopold B. Scotch
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I'll take the "tungsten standard" over this Biatchfest of a currency system.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:18 | 1853954 Abitdodgie
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Was it Clinton that had 100,000 bricks made out of tungston back in the 90's

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:44 | 1853789 qussl3
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The only solution is for Germany to return to the DM.

Bizzarely, that will improve the banking sector's capital position, when bund yields collapse.

Then the ECB can monetize all it wants, and PIIGS debt can stay marked to fantasy for as long as needed till banks get it off their books.

Rooting for Germany to leave.

They can either pay with a strong currency, or fiscal transfers for generations.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:52 | 1853847 dracos_ghost
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Except there is a gaggle of sociopathic narcissists in Brussels who need the EU Soviet power structure to survive as envisioned in the late '50's. Can't have the key player exit without the whole house of cards tumbling. There would be a giant whooshing sound of fleeing capital out of the majority of EU states into Germany if they bailed. And I mean worse than it already is.

No one is talking about what really needs to happen. A global debt reset. 100% haircuts all around or at least close to that -- pay off the nominal principal and negate CDS's. These loud mouths barking that they are entitled to 100% of notional when they have miniscule actual nominal skin in the game is getting annoying. Fiat currency is bad enough but fractional Fiat currency is full retard.

It's bad enough that we have a measley three score and 10 years on this planet without being hounded by f&*(ing shylocks.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:58 | 1853873 Leopold B. Scotch
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So, let me see if I have this straight:  You're proposing a security's value actually be tied to its prospect of delivering a cash-flow?

What is this strange language you speak?


Randy?  Close the windows in the trailer...  A shitstorm is a' comin'.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:08 | 1853903 SheepDog-One
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You can feel the shit clinging to the air on a day like today Randy...shit tsunami. 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:11 | 1853931 Leopold B. Scotch
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Birds of a shitfeather flock together, Randy.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:22 | 1853972 Leopold B. Scotch
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Randy just doesn't understand. I mean I love him dearly, but I hate Ricky more. I just don't want to have to put up with that prick for the rest of my life. You know, he grew up as a little shit-spark from the old shit-flint. And then he turned into a shit-bonfire and then driven by the winds of his monumental ignorance, he turned into a raging shit-firestorm.

If I get to be married to Barb I'll have total control of Sunnyvale, and then I can unleash a shitnami tidal wave that'll engulf Ricky and extinguish his shit-flames forever. And with any luck, he'll drown in the undershit of that wave.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:45 | 1854964 JoBob
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Leopold, you need to get a better grasp of English so you can express yourself without using "shit". Still searching for maturity?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 21:45 | 1855285 HedgeCock
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You need to search Youtube for "shit hawks bubbles".  Then you too shall understand.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:23 | 1853973 trav7777
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i don't have debt, therefore, no reset.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 17:02 | 1854653 Ponzi Unit
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Rumor: The Germans have ordered D-Marks from the printer.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:43 | 1853790 SheepDog-One
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Using gold to make the bond purchases? Wait a we're talking about not fake printed up paper promises money, but an actual hard asset to keep the Ponzi rolling? Totaly different game there, Im not holding my breath.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:43 | 1853792 Flore
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Wonder what happens if the ecb buys a couple of 100 ton in the open market.. gold at 20000 per ounce.. how much do they have to sell then ?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:44 | 1853793 Flore
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gold.. any price will do

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:44 | 1853794 Sgt.Sausage
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I loves me some Eye-Talian cuisine.

Anyone know how Eye-Talian Gold tastes?



Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:47 | 1853812 SheepDog-One
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Like tungsten.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:44 | 1853795 Bicycle Repairman
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The debt issue must be solved with an equity swap.  What will it be?  Infrastructure?  Land?  Or a barbarous relic that nobody cares about right now? 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:45 | 1853803 SheepDog-One
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'Nobody cares about gold' to the tune of about $1,800 an oz today.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:48 | 1853816 Bicycle Repairman
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While I'm being somewhat sarcastic, which trade would be easier to hide from the people?  Easier to explain?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:48 | 1853825 SheepDog-One
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Why not just sell the people?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:01 | 1853894 Troll Magnet
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because people have been sold out already.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:02 | 1853897 Troll Magnet
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then again, i guess they could start creating paper derivatives of people and sell people out over and over and over...

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:18 | 1853958 Leopold B. Scotch
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The People have been sold and levered 80X over.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 22:44 | 1855357 indio007
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They call that a birth certificate. The derivative is the SSI card.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 17:18 | 1854724 Ponzi Unit
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People bought and sold in the marketplace? The sex trade is only the most obvious version.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:45 | 1853800 vegas
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It's been lent out, or in the back of Sil B's Gulfstream. I'm sure he'll tell the ECB to go pound sand. or, maybe they never had that much to begin with.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:45 | 1853801 rayban
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Being gold above 41 euro/gram I guess Italy's gold is closer in value to euro 100 bn. It will certainly be used either as collateral for short term funding in case of a complete inability to access the markets at any price or it will be given to the EFSF to cover Italy's share as you suggest.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:47 | 1853813 Flore
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how about gold at 410 euro per gram ? All they have to do is buy some with fresh printed euros

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:45 | 1853802 drivenZ
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i'll loan Italy money at a 50% LTV, senior secured by their gold(and a few ferrari's)...anything else is too rich for me.


60 billion? that's kind of a drop in the bucket at this point. better than nothing i guess.  

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:49 | 1853819 Dick Darlington
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You can include as collateral the 19 new armoured Maseratis the Italian Ministry of Defence ordered. Austerity, bitchez!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:15 | 1853942 s2man
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That's what I thought; Just 60 billion?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:46 | 1853807 Dick Darlington
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But but but, i was told gold is not money, it's just a barbarous relic that banks hold because of tradition. And this came from the highly respected monetary wizard, seasoned market practician and he even has a PhD!!! I'm sure he knows better and he sure wouldn't lie in public.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:46 | 1853809 SheepDog-One
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Kelly's Heroes.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:46 | 1853810 El Viejo
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No plane can carry that much tonnage. Good! we get to keep it.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:48 | 1853818 FranSix
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Its a little absurd that Germany demands from Italy that it provide its gold for an EFSF plan, while it doesn't do the same for itself, only from the point of view of German bund yields at historic lows, priced in Euros.

That being said, the same thing was said about Greece, they actually bought some gold in the interim.  They also bought some used tanks.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:31 | 1853943 Instant Wealth
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Replace for itself with for Italy, and you're on the right track again.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:48 | 1853820 Dr. Engali
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That'll buy a lot of Ferraris

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:58 | 1853877 marcusfenix
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that will BUY Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti and Zonda...that's a lotta pasta rockets

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:46 | 1854051 Troll Magnet
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wouldn't buy a ferrari for an ounce of gold unless i can resell the ferrari and convert it for more gold.  ferraris cost too damn much to maintain.  be more practical and buy a lexus or something.  fuck cash-draining "supercars."

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:48 | 1853821 Jones79
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does anybody know if chavez ever got his gold delivered?  haven't seen any news about it. 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:58 | 1853881 JohnG
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Last week I read somewhere that there were "problems" but nothing in weeks other than that.  Don't remember where I read it.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:13 | 1853936 Jones79
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i did a 10 minute google search about two weeks ago and there was nothing. 


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:48 | 1853823 earnulf
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Anyone else have a problem with the "percent of reserves" figures?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:57 | 1853876 NotApplicable
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China does!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:51 | 1853827 Zola
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TYLER WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUY A ZH VERSION OF THE GOLD OR SILVER EAGLE ?? Many have mentioned that an artwork could be made and then engraved on the coin. Anyone else interested +1

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:54 | 1853856 fuu
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Please us the motto "Money Bitchez".

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:58 | 1853878 Long-John-Silver
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Silver Bitchez! on the Silver coins and Tungsten Bitchez! on the Gold Plated Tungsten coins.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:19 | 1853951 slewie the pi-rat
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just don't call it a "dollar" eh, fuu?

i also like "e pluribus BiCheZ"



Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:33 | 1854004 fuu
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Using dollar will land you in jail.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:44 | 1854047 mvsjcl
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In Bitchez We Thrust!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:20 | 1853961 pods
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"Tradition Bitchez!" on the front, "Do Not Eat" on the back.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:56 | 1853870 Long-John-Silver
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I would much prefer a 1oz Gold Plated Tungsten ZH coin.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:18 | 1853957 s2man
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That would be great.  I could hang it on my with the 100T Zimbabwe bill, and the copy of a 1MM FRN.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:50 | 1853829 NotApplicable
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The Bernank must surely be amused at all of this attention being paid to a mere "traditional" asset.

It's easy to understand his confusion though, as it's traditionally an ultimate extinguisher of debts, a concept that is completely alien to him.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:54 | 1853854 SheepDog-One
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All this talk about gold, how barbaric! Shiny baubles for the peasantry, thats all...PHD guys like Bernank know the real deal is in fake printed up money out of thin air.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:50 | 1853831 Smithovsky
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What's with eurchf the last couple of days?  

Talk of a higher peg again?  

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:13 | 1853935 JohnG
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Swiss parliamentary panel call on SNB to raise EUR/CHF floor to 1.3000 from 1.2000:
Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:52 | 1853844 JPM Hater001
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Gold is nearing it's all time high.  Excellent.

Gold game on bitchez

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:53 | 1853850 Elmer Fudd
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"Dear Italy, I.O.U. 2,451.8 tonnes of gold. love, Benny"

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:53 | 1853852 bill1102inf
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Whats more valuable than gold? Just about everything.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:55 | 1853863 SheepDog-One
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Right, everything is worth more than $1,800 an ounce.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:24 | 1853979 bill1102inf
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You cant sell your gold for 1800/oz to anyone right now.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:34 | 1854010 fuu
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Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:03 | 1854111 tickhound
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Oh bill, bill, bill... You just showed your hand.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:17 | 1854474 boiltherich
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The local coin shop is selling gold this minute (just phoned) @ $90 over spot for eagles, $50 over for canadian or south african.  Spot being 1794.50 plus at least 45 premium to beat the coin shop by a few bucks, I can sell my gold day and night in any quantity for 1840 an ounce.  Of course I would have to get some pliers and rip my teeth out since that is the only gold I have. 

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 14:25 | 1857301 faustian bargain
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I will buy all the gold you have for $1000/oz then.

No? How about $1200?


Tell me when to stop...

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 14:34 | 1857361 faustian bargain
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Hm. Didn't think so.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:02 | 1853891 oddjob
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Some do say Silver will be more valuable than Gold, I just never thought a stupid ass troll would agree.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:01 | 1853892 JohnG
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Whu? ....WTF are you smoking Bill and where can I get some??

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:19 | 1853959 fuu
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Looking with Amazement is that you?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:55 | 1853857 MFL8240
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Dollars, not Gold is the safe haven, just as Bloomberg News.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:58 | 1853879 agent default
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Yes because gold is backed by nothing but the Dollar is backed by the US Government and the FED.

The fuck.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:55 | 1853866 Peter Pan
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Gold as a solution for Europe to recapitalise its banks etc can only have a positive effect if the WHOLE of the Eurozone commits its gold to the EFSF. Such an act will send gold soaring and will provide the EFSF with naturally occuring leverage through appreciation rather than debt enhanced leverage.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:04 | 1853905 Quinvarius
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If gold were trading properly over 10k an ounce, Italy would be solvent and this whole mess would disappear.  But thanks to some idiot quotes by Volcker, people seem to think gold is the enemy.  But I do like Volcker's tall tale about how he saved the dollar by raising rates.  The fact that gold rose until we could back the dollar 100% again had nothing to do with it.  LOL.

Gold over 10k = happy world.  Gold suppression = financial ruin.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:50 | 1854376 MissCellany
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Interesting point! Thinking cap on...

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:48 | 1854593 ViewfromUnderth...
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a source for your "fact" would be appreciated...

100% backing of currency? or close to 40% backing of net foreign debt per Jim Sinclair.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:01 | 1853893 lookma
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FOFOA has offered some interesting observations related to the role of Eurosystem member nation's gold to the Euro project in such posts as Euro Gold and RPG Update #4.

And FOFOA just published a longer piece, titled Moneyness, that fits this picture of the evolving role of gold in the international moentary system with a deconstruction of MMT. Not for the weary of words, but its very illuminating for the intrepid.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:04 | 1853904 Tyler Durden
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Does FOFOA see why his defense of the euro/ECB in light of the G-20 attempt to sequester German gold makes no sense?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:47 | 1854003 slewie the pi-rat
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smackdown, BiCheZ!


my problem (well, ok, one of them) is how unreliable these data about gold holdings must me.  and, yes, i got the the </s/> in tyler's last sentence.  but zeroHeads have gone ape-shit about the phyzz to such an extent that who tf is gonna believe the "world gold council" and their "reports"?

the US or x/y/z//? reports its "holdings" to the WGC and it gets published.  this doesn't make it true, now, does, it? 

the PM prices are decoupling a little, today, it seems;  i like higher PM prices on both risk 0n and risk 0ff days


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:37 | 1854021 Big Slick
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apologies for dual post - meant to link to Tyler...

!! Tyler - Are you sure you got your conversion right?  I calculate roughly $57 million USD/tonne (see link below).  Thus, Italy's 2,451 tonnes should be valued closer to $140 billion USD.  Please correct me if wrong.  Cheers - Big Slick

Is wiki messed up in their values??

(On the other hand, what's $80 billion per tonne between friendly manipulators of the capitalist system?)


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:18 | 1855037 lookma
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Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:54 | 1854077 Dr. Engali
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I like reading FOFOA's perspective but I fail to understand his support for the Euro.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:26 | 1854243 RichardENixon
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My guess would be that he's long Euros.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:02 | 1853898 Jean
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2500 tons would be on Silvio's boat, not his plane. Lots of space for young models as well.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:03 | 1853902 pineyard
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It is interesting .. if You add numbers together ..and imply some numbers for the remaining european countries NOT mentioned .. that EUROPE combined ..holds close to as much GOLD as the rest of the world combined..including the US ... :)  ..

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:05 | 1853909 Quinvarius
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It used to be ours.  I think we want it back.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:29 | 1853992 tickhound
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"holds" is the key word here. 

Much of it is stored by the NYFed for "safe keeping."

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:06 | 1853913 Durchbruch
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> most of it almost certainly 'safe and sound' about 150 feet deep under the infamous LIberty 33 location


Italian gold is in Banca d'Italia. Viewable:


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:09 | 1853922 lapedochild
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It shd read "The Quest for Italian Gold"

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