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A Quick And Dirty Look At Japan's Nearly ¥1 Quadrillion In Debt

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Mon, 12/19/2011 - 13:55 | 1994675 fourchan
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more yen to buy frns with, tbc.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:02 | 1994708 trav7777
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they've got to find somewhere that is still growing credit so they can grow.  The domestic economy isn't cutting it

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:06 | 1994729 GeneMarchbanks
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So... China?


Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:22 | 1994785 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Maybe they should buy ZNGA

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 23:14 | 1994804 TruthInSunshine
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Whisper rumor that Japan is buying Chinese Bonds via a rescue package for Japan funded by Myanmar, Haiti, Grenada & The Galapagos Islands' Teachers, Electricians, Millwrights & Carpenters Union Pension Fund.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 19:54 | 1996026 masterinchancery
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Since Japan is in a demographic death spiral, they should be paying people to have kids.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 20:49 | 1996139 Stuck on Zero
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The U.S. should be paying some people not to have kids.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 13:58 | 1994690 homer8043
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Japan has an old population and exodus. Lots of taxpayers and savers. This will end well.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:44 | 1994893 Winston Smith 2009
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Correct. Kyle Bass on that, starting at 2:45:


Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:11 | 1995182 flattrader
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>>>Japan has an old population and exodus.<<<

And lots of radiation sickness being diagnosedd as the "flu."

I check in at enenews about once a week to read the public health stories leaking out of Japan.  It is not good.

Nosebleeds, fatigue, purple rashes, fever...kids having heart attacks and a recent rash of stillbirths and miscarriages (officially reported) that may have been severely deformed infants who died shortly after birth or were euthanized in reality...

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 13:59 | 1994692 hedgeless_horseman
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Hello, Mrs. Watanabi?  I'd like just a minute of your time to tell you about some amazing opportunities in BRICs...

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:00 | 1994703 GeneMarchbanks
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... and the circle-jerk is complete.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:02 | 1994715 High Plains Drifter
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well we have been munching on the t word since 2008, now we are starting to talk about the q word..........man that was fast..........

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:39 | 1995649 mccoyspace
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At least the next multiple beyond that is also a Q word, so there is some, ah, savings there.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:04 | 1994720 Dick Darlington
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Oh, dirty it is!

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:10 | 1994732 DaveyJones
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they already tried the other dirty way out


Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:11 | 1994743 stopcpdotcom
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Quadrillions here we come!!!

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:00 | 1994945 sitenine
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Congrats Japan!
You have won another decade of stagflation!
Chuck, tell our runner-ups what we have for them.
Austerity, BITCHEZ! Better luck next time.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:13 | 1994749 Manthong
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Trillions are so 2011.

Nice to see quadrillions entering the vernacular for the new year.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:24 | 1994795 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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We're all going to be billionaires!

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:25 | 1994799 nwskii
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On a fast track to Quintillion. It has 18 zeros



Chump Change Bitchez

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:19 | 1994771 Al Huxley
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Soon everybody who follows this is going to be reminded of where google got their name.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:39 | 1994869 qussl3
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Googolplex anyone?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:26 | 1994806 TheGardener
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6 billion new calculators with all those digits !
Growth you can believe in.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:30 | 1994822 NumberNone
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Quadrillion...then Quintillion...then Sextillion.   Ironic that we will all be fucked long before we reach sextillion. 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:47 | 1995132 ZackLo
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then septillion. then octillion (a special number for the vampire squid), I hear blankfein grows 8 appendages and starts squirting red ink all over his shareholders...

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 16:22 | 1995304 omniversling
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i believe that 'squidillion' is the denomination closest to infinity.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:32 | 1994837 slewie the pi-rat
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"Japan may purchase a total of $10b worth in stages."

so, fade that!

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:39 | 1994872 JW n FL
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Japan is fine..

We like Japan.. unlike Europe.. or even Israel.

Japan is a team player and that alone will see them clear of any real danger regardless of all this huffing and puffing about how Japan is at risk.

anyone that would like me to source and site the facts that you could easily find on your own if you spent more time reading and less time cheerleading on the back of someone else's bandwagon.. let me know, I am happy to dumb it donw for you.

My Motto in life.. You are dumd enough and I make it simple enough.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:10 | 1994983 a1sinclair@aol.com
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Read my post and then check the numbers and you will have to eat crow.  The only number I have not verified is the 99.75 Trillion yen of issuance.  It must include some rollover.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:54 | 1994900 a1sinclair@aol.com
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It is the fact that the debt is held in Japan, much of it by large financial institutions that have become net sellers, that is the problem because of a savings rate that has declined from 16% to 2% and likely headed negative. Basically, it is the demographics that are hitting Japan now!  Bank deposits in Japan are double those of the United States and most banks hold from 20% to 30% of their assets in Japanese Government Bonds and most of the banks are no longer growing.  The Japanese Retirement Fund ($1.4 Trillion) is mostly invested in JGB's and is now liquidating $80 Billion this year and more than that next year.  The largest financial institution in the world is Japan Post Holdings, a depository and insurance company ($3.5 Trillion and over 70% of total assets in JGB's) and they have also become a net seller.   Other Japanese Banks and insurance companies are loaded with JGB's and as the older people retire they must withdraw principal to fund living expenses because the CD return is less than .5%.  The young people are not making enough to save and the people with the money are retiring or dying.  The handwriting is on the wall that the jig is up.  On December first, Kyle Bass called Japan, "A Giant Ponzi Scheme that only has months to go".  Almost all of the former big buyers are now net sellers of JGB's.  The ten year yields 1%.  If new buyers must come from outside Japan, it would take 3.5 to 4% to attract buyers.  They are on watch for a credit downgrade and their debt is 230% of GDP.  Basically the people have trusted the Japanese government and the government has wasted their money.

Their budget for this year projected borrowing 50% of spending and then they had the earthquake.  Issuance was to be about 44 Trillion yen but now the figure in your article is 99.75 Trillion yen.  This probably includes the deficit, supplemental budgets and the need for $80 billion to replace the bonds liquidated by their retirement fund.  This is over 100% of the original spending amount in the budget.  They are the most in debt and also the largest deficit as a % of spending of any country in the world.  They are near $13.5 Trillion in debt with about a Trillion dollars of foreign exchange reserves--If is not enough to save them.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:55 | 1994922 lolmao500
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So how do we make money from this? Any ETF short Japan?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:14 | 1994992 a1sinclair@aol.com
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I am short Japanese Government Bonds and yen.  I would also short Japanese Banks (ETF?)

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:36 | 1995080 Pancho Villa
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Not so sure about shorting the yen. If they start selling their US Treasuries it could cause the yen to rise. Of course, eventually they will start printing which would tend to pull the yen down. But by then, the US may be printing at an equal rate.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 18:33 | 1995825 a1sinclair@aol.com
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It is a huge banking problem and there will be a rush to leave Japan.  The move will be to gold and out of yen.  There is less than $1 trillion of FX reserves outside the country and there is over $16 Trillion of bank deposits.  The United States only has around $8 Trillion of bank deposits.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 21:22 | 1996178 Pancho Villa
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Short yen, long gold: sounds good!

Short yen, long dollars: no prediction. Might work out, depending on who collapses first. But I worry that in the initial stages of Japan's collapse they might start selling UST's in order to make up their funding shortfall.

Shorting JGB's could be very profitable, because as yields rise, the yen might also strengthen resulting in a double whammy.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:28 | 1995041 collon88
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EWV is ProShares' UltraShort (2x) MSCI Japan.   

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 18:29 | 1995803 a1sinclair@aol.com
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I am short JGB's in Tokyo.  100 million yen per contract.  They are also traded in Singapore (10 million yen per contract).  They are 10 year bonds.

Once it starts there will be a rush to move out of the banks and out of yen and then into gold.  It is really amazing that we have around  $8 trillion in U S bank deposits and Japan has over $16 Trillion.  It is so sad that the Japanese people are so conservative and have saved all this money and basically it was all spent via Keynesian infrastructure stimulus to restart their economy.  It did not work.  There is a real lesson for us borrowing money to give to people to spend as stimulus---no asset is created.  It just destroys the future for our kids.  It did very little in 2011.  Why are we wasting the money in 2012?

Japan's government has been a systematic destroyer of wealth.  Their stock market is down 80% over 22 years and their real estate is off 70% over 21 years and now they are going to lose 20 to 40% of their bank deposits, insurance funds, etc..

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 23:11 | 1996415 Zero Hero
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Short JGBs with "PowerShares DB Inverse Japanese Govt Bond Futures ETN" (NYSEARCA:JGBS) or "PowerShares DB 3x Inverse Japanese Govt Bond Futures ETN" (NYSEARCA:JGBD).

The 3x leveraged ETN does not suffer decay as much as most other leveraged ETFs/ETNs as it works on the monthly increase/decrease of the underlying futures, not daily.

Alternatively you could short the regular JGB ETNs.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 22:14 | 1996287 BigInJapan
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Every last talking head in this country says there is no debt problem because it's all domestically held. The people believe what they see on TV and nobody... NOBODY is calling for reduced spending.

The fact that every ZH story on Japan gets like 50 comments, whereas an article about a bank run in Macedonia or some other European backwater attracts hundreds tells me it's not only the Japanese that are in for a shock when this thing hits the wall.

Time to start paying attention to where the most immediate problem is - JAPAN.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 01:32 | 1996802 StychoKiller
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Over 190 Countries and only 2 eyes -- do the math.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 01:31 | 1996801 qussl3
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With Japan being one of the largest if not the largest net creditor in the world, wouldnt there be a risk of corporates repatriating to buy JGBs?

May not make any economic sense but i'd never underestimate Japanese solidarity.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:49 | 1994910 lolmao500
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America's debt can make it to 30 trillion easy. Oh wait, it's already above that.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:02 | 1994953 f16hoser
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Quadrillion. Is that a lot? Just for one country?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:09 | 1994976 DutchR
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Doesn't Japan have some nuclear thingy going on?




Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:20 | 1995007 Non Passaran
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One. Quadrillion. Yen.

(in voice of Dr. Iiwiru)

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:23 | 1995025 monopoly
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Interesting that when so many media and news articles talk about recovery, uneven, good in N. Dakota, bad in Nevada and all will be well in a couple of years, noone mentions "debt". It is like this is a side show to the real recovery and will not make much difference moving forward.

How can intelligent human beings ignore this thermo nuclear device about to go off. Unemployment down, stores busy, economy getting better and Bloomberg advises how "absurd" the downgrade of US was considering how investors are flocking to the dollar. 

Just a one eyed blind bandit in a room with the blind. Makes 0 sense to me. 

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 03:54 | 1996926 LudwigVon
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Wow... really?

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-David Rockefeller, Memoirs

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:30 | 1995046 Pancho Villa
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Japan's debt situation reminds me of an earthquake where huge stresses in the earth keep building up ever so slowly. And you just know that sooner or later something is going to break and there is going to be a massive cataclysm, but you just don't know when.

Japan's financial tsunami will make its nuclear tsunami look like a gentle ocean wave.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:37 | 1995086 LouisDega
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