A Quick And Dirty Look At Japan's Nearly ¥1 Quadrillion In Debt

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fourchan's picture

more yen to buy frns with, tbc.

trav7777's picture

they've got to find somewhere that is still growing credit so they can grow.  The domestic economy isn't cutting it

TruthInSunshine's picture

Whisper rumor that Japan is buying Chinese Bonds via a rescue package for Japan funded by Myanmar, Haiti, Grenada & The Galapagos Islands' Teachers, Electricians, Millwrights & Carpenters Union Pension Fund.

masterinchancery's picture

Since Japan is in a demographic death spiral, they should be paying people to have kids.

Stuck on Zero's picture

The U.S. should be paying some people not to have kids.

homer8043's picture

Japan has an old population and exodus. Lots of taxpayers and savers. This will end well.

flattrader's picture

>>>Japan has an old population and exodus.<<<

And lots of radiation sickness being diagnosedd as the "flu."

I check in at enenews about once a week to read the public health stories leaking out of Japan.  It is not good.

Nosebleeds, fatigue, purple rashes, fever...kids having heart attacks and a recent rash of stillbirths and miscarriages (officially reported) that may have been severely deformed infants who died shortly after birth or were euthanized in reality...

hedgeless_horseman's picture

 

 

Hello, Mrs. Watanabi?  I'd like just a minute of your time to tell you about some amazing opportunities in BRICs...

GeneMarchbanks's picture

... and the circle-jerk is complete.

High Plains Drifter's picture

well we have been munching on the t word since 2008, now we are starting to talk about the q word..........man that was fast..........

mccoyspace's picture

At least the next multiple beyond that is also a Q word, so there is some, ah, savings there.

stopcpdotcom's picture

Quadrillions here we come!!!

sitenine's picture

Congrats Japan!
You have won another decade of stagflation!
Chuck, tell our runner-ups what we have for them.
Austerity, BITCHEZ! Better luck next time.

Manthong's picture

Trillions are so 2011.

Nice to see quadrillions entering the vernacular for the new year.

Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

We're all going to be billionaires!

nwskii's picture

On a fast track to Quintillion. It has 18 zeros

Or

$1,000,000,000,000,000,000.00

Chump Change Bitchez

Al Huxley's picture

Soon everybody who follows this is going to be reminded of where google got their name.

TheGardener's picture

6 billion new calculators with all those digits !
Growth you can believe in.

NumberNone's picture

Quadrillion...then Quintillion...then Sextillion.   Ironic that we will all be fucked long before we reach sextillion. 

ZackLo's picture

then septillion. then octillion (a special number for the vampire squid), I hear blankfein grows 8 appendages and starts squirting red ink all over his shareholders...

omniversling's picture

i believe that 'squidillion' is the denomination closest to infinity.

slewie the pi-rat's picture

"Japan may purchase a total of $10b worth in stages."

so, fade that!

JW n FL's picture

 

 

Japan is fine..

We like Japan.. unlike Europe.. or even Israel.

Japan is a team player and that alone will see them clear of any real danger regardless of all this huffing and puffing about how Japan is at risk.

anyone that would like me to source and site the facts that you could easily find on your own if you spent more time reading and less time cheerleading on the back of someone else's bandwagon.. let me know, I am happy to dumb it donw for you.

My Motto in life.. You are dumd enough and I make it simple enough.

a1sinclair@aol.com's picture

Read my post and then check the numbers and you will have to eat crow.  The only number I have not verified is the 99.75 Trillion yen of issuance.  It must include some rollover.

a1sinclair@aol.com's picture

It is the fact that the debt is held in Japan, much of it by large financial institutions that have become net sellers, that is the problem because of a savings rate that has declined from 16% to 2% and likely headed negative. Basically, it is the demographics that are hitting Japan now!  Bank deposits in Japan are double those of the United States and most banks hold from 20% to 30% of their assets in Japanese Government Bonds and most of the banks are no longer growing.  The Japanese Retirement Fund ($1.4 Trillion) is mostly invested in JGB's and is now liquidating $80 Billion this year and more than that next year.  The largest financial institution in the world is Japan Post Holdings, a depository and insurance company ($3.5 Trillion and over 70% of total assets in JGB's) and they have also become a net seller.   Other Japanese Banks and insurance companies are loaded with JGB's and as the older people retire they must withdraw principal to fund living expenses because the CD return is less than .5%.  The young people are not making enough to save and the people with the money are retiring or dying.  The handwriting is on the wall that the jig is up.  On December first, Kyle Bass called Japan, "A Giant Ponzi Scheme that only has months to go".  Almost all of the former big buyers are now net sellers of JGB's.  The ten year yields 1%.  If new buyers must come from outside Japan, it would take 3.5 to 4% to attract buyers.  They are on watch for a credit downgrade and their debt is 230% of GDP.  Basically the people have trusted the Japanese government and the government has wasted their money.

Their budget for this year projected borrowing 50% of spending and then they had the earthquake.  Issuance was to be about 44 Trillion yen but now the figure in your article is 99.75 Trillion yen.  This probably includes the deficit, supplemental budgets and the need for $80 billion to replace the bonds liquidated by their retirement fund.  This is over 100% of the original spending amount in the budget.  They are the most in debt and also the largest deficit as a % of spending of any country in the world.  They are near $13.5 Trillion in debt with about a Trillion dollars of foreign exchange reserves--If is not enough to save them.

lolmao500's picture

So how do we make money from this? Any ETF short Japan?

a1sinclair@aol.com's picture

I am short Japanese Government Bonds and yen.  I would also short Japanese Banks (ETF?)

Pancho Villa's picture

Not so sure about shorting the yen. If they start selling their US Treasuries it could cause the yen to rise. Of course, eventually they will start printing which would tend to pull the yen down. But by then, the US may be printing at an equal rate.

a1sinclair@aol.com's picture

It is a huge banking problem and there will be a rush to leave Japan.  The move will be to gold and out of yen.  There is less than $1 trillion of FX reserves outside the country and there is over $16 Trillion of bank deposits.  The United States only has around $8 Trillion of bank deposits.

Pancho Villa's picture

Short yen, long gold: sounds good!

Short yen, long dollars: no prediction. Might work out, depending on who collapses first. But I worry that in the initial stages of Japan's collapse they might start selling UST's in order to make up their funding shortfall.

Shorting JGB's could be very profitable, because as yields rise, the yen might also strengthen resulting in a double whammy.

collon88's picture

EWV is ProShares' UltraShort (2x) MSCI Japan.   

a1sinclair@aol.com's picture

I am short JGB's in Tokyo.  100 million yen per contract.  They are also traded in Singapore (10 million yen per contract).  They are 10 year bonds.

Once it starts there will be a rush to move out of the banks and out of yen and then into gold.  It is really amazing that we have around  $8 trillion in U S bank deposits and Japan has over $16 Trillion.  It is so sad that the Japanese people are so conservative and have saved all this money and basically it was all spent via Keynesian infrastructure stimulus to restart their economy.  It did not work.  There is a real lesson for us borrowing money to give to people to spend as stimulus---no asset is created.  It just destroys the future for our kids.  It did very little in 2011.  Why are we wasting the money in 2012?

Japan's government has been a systematic destroyer of wealth.  Their stock market is down 80% over 22 years and their real estate is off 70% over 21 years and now they are going to lose 20 to 40% of their bank deposits, insurance funds, etc..

Zero Hero's picture

Short JGBs with "PowerShares DB Inverse Japanese Govt Bond Futures ETN" (NYSEARCA:JGBS) or "PowerShares DB 3x Inverse Japanese Govt Bond Futures ETN" (NYSEARCA:JGBD).

The 3x leveraged ETN does not suffer decay as much as most other leveraged ETFs/ETNs as it works on the monthly increase/decrease of the underlying futures, not daily.

Alternatively you could short the regular JGB ETNs.

BigInJapan's picture

Every last talking head in this country says there is no debt problem because it's all domestically held. The people believe what they see on TV and nobody... NOBODY is calling for reduced spending.

The fact that every ZH story on Japan gets like 50 comments, whereas an article about a bank run in Macedonia or some other European backwater attracts hundreds tells me it's not only the Japanese that are in for a shock when this thing hits the wall.

Time to start paying attention to where the most immediate problem is - JAPAN.

StychoKiller's picture

Over 190 Countries and only 2 eyes -- do the math.

qussl3's picture

With Japan being one of the largest if not the largest net creditor in the world, wouldnt there be a risk of corporates repatriating to buy JGBs?

May not make any economic sense but i'd never underestimate Japanese solidarity.

lolmao500's picture

America's debt can make it to 30 trillion easy. Oh wait, it's already above that.

f16hoser's picture

Quadrillion. Is that a lot? Just for one country?

DutchR's picture

Doesn't Japan have some nuclear thingy going on?

 

 

 

Non Passaran's picture

One. Quadrillion. Yen.

(in voice of Dr. Iiwiru)

monopoly's picture

Interesting that when so many media and news articles talk about recovery, uneven, good in N. Dakota, bad in Nevada and all will be well in a couple of years, noone mentions "debt". It is like this is a side show to the real recovery and will not make much difference moving forward.

How can intelligent human beings ignore this thermo nuclear device about to go off. Unemployment down, stores busy, economy getting better and Bloomberg advises how "absurd" the downgrade of US was considering how investors are flocking to the dollar. 

Just a one eyed blind bandit in a room with the blind. Makes 0 sense to me. 

LudwigVon's picture

Wow... really?

“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors”

-Thomas Jefferson

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Pancho Villa's picture

Japan's debt situation reminds me of an earthquake where huge stresses in the earth keep building up ever so slowly. And you just know that sooner or later something is going to break and there is going to be a massive cataclysm, but you just don't know when.

Japan's financial tsunami will make its nuclear tsunami look like a gentle ocean wave.

LouisDega's picture

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