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Quotes Of The Day - Ron Paul Edition
Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform
THOSE IN POWER FEAR RON PAUL AND HIS MESSAGE OF LIBERTY, FREEDOM, AND RESPOSIBILITY. THE QUOTES BELOW ARE THE TRUE REFLECTION OF THE MAN AND HIS IDEAS. IDEAS CAN CHANGE THE WORLD. DO YOUR PART TO FIGHT THE MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN BEING WAGED BY THE CORPORATE MEDIA AND THEIR POLITICAL HACKS BY SENDING THIS LIST OF QUOTES TO EVERYONE IN YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS BOOK.
Quotes Of The Day - Ron Paul Edition
“Ideas are very important to the shaping of society. In fact, they are more powerful than bombings or armies or guns. And this is because ideas are capable of spreading without limit. They are behind all the choices we make. They can transform the world in a way that governments and armies cannot. Fighting for liberty with ideas makes more sense to me than fighting with guns or politics or political power. With ideas, we can make real change that lasts.”
- Ron Paul, Liberty Defined: The 50 Urgent Issues That Affect Our Freedom
“Under the United States Constitution, the federal government has no authority to hold states “accountable” for their education performance…In the free society envisioned by the founders, schools are held accountable to parents, not federal bureaucrats.”
- Ron Paul
“I’m convinced that you never have to give up liberties to be safe. I think you’re less safe when you give up your liberties.”
- Ron Paul
“Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. Liberty has meaning only if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government security blanket beckons.”
- Ron Paul
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.”
- Ron Paul, The Revolution: A Manifesto
“Mr. Speaker, I once again find myself compelled to vote against the annual budget resolution for a very simple reason: it makes government bigger.”
- Ron Paul
“The most basic principle to being a free American is the notion that we as individuals are responsible for our own lives and decisions. We do not have the right to rob our neighbors to make up for our mistakes, neither does our neighbor have any right to tell us how to live, so long as we aren’t infringing on their rights. Freedom to make bad decisions is inherent in the freedom to make good ones. If we are only free to make good decisions, we are not really free.”
- Ron Paul
“Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.”
- Ron Paul
“Failure of government programs prompts more determined effort, while the loss of liberty is ignored or rationalized away…whether is it is the war on poverty, drugs, terrorism…or the current Hitler of the day, an appeal to patriotism is used to convince the people that a little sacrifice of liberty, here or there, is a small price to pay…The results, though, are frightening and will soon become even more so.”
- Ron Paul
“When the federal government spends more each year than it collects in tax revenues, it has three choices: It can raise taxes, print money, or borrow money. While these actions may benefit politicians, all three options are bad for average Americans.”
- Ron Paul
“A system of capitalism presumes sound money, not fiat money manipulated by a central bank. Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts and interest rates that are determined by savings, not credit creation by a central bank.”
- Ron Paul
“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
- Ron Paul
“The original American patriots were those individuals brave enough to resist with force the oppressive power of King George…Patriotism is more closely linked to dissent than it is to conformity and a blind desire for safety and security.”
- Ron Paul
“As many frustrated Americans who have joined the Tea Party realize, we cannot stand against big government at home while supporting it abroad. We cannot talk about fiscal responsibility while spending trillions on occupying and bullying the rest of the world. We cannot talk about the budget deficit and spiraling domestic spending without looking at the costs of maintaining an American empire of more than 700 military bases in more than 120 foreign countries. We cannot pat ourselves on the back for cutting a few thousand dollars from a nature preserve or an inner-city swimming pool at home while turning a blind eye to a Pentagon budget that nearly equals those of the rest of the world combined.”
- Ron Paul
“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”
“A citizen walking through the airport today is bombarded with 1984-style propaganda messages that are designed to make us fear some amorphous threat and also be suspicious of others. The government designs these messages to make us feel dependent and heavily lorded over in every aspect of our lives. These messages are becoming ever more pervasive, hitting us even in grocery stores when we are shopping.”
- Ron Paul, Liberty Defined: The 50 Urgent Issues That Affect Our Freedom
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YES SCHOOLING DISHITS LIKE YOU IS HARD WORK. HOW LONG TIL PAUL'S CAMPAIGN FOLDS?
Probably in November after he's elected.
humans are "just another slime crawling animal" whose brains evolved in certain places to discount time, process language, etc.
How did their brains evolve? How were the languages created that the evolved-brained people could then process? How did eyes form in the evolutionary chain? How did asexual organisms simultaneously mutate into separate male and female? How's the solution to the irreducible complexity fly in the evolution ointment coming? What are we going to evolve into next? Why is there no fossil record of failed mutations anywhere? Why is there not a single example of a new species (not strain) evolving from a prior one in the 150 years since Darwin's musings?
This is what you believe, Mr. label-everyone-else stupid.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT A BLIP 150 YEARS IS ON A GELOGIC TIMESCALE? READ A BIOLOGY BOOK. MODERNIZE. ANYONE WHO DOESN"T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION SHOULD BE PUT IN A CAMP AND RE-EDUCATED. YOU ARE WORTHLESS AND SO CONFUSED. YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF BASIC REASONING. HOW CAN I ARGUE WITH YOU? YOU ARE ASKING FOR EVOLUTIONARY PROOF ON ZERO HEDGE? GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.
I take that as you can't answer any of the questions. As I say, it's a non-disprovable theory: those that believe in it avoid anything that would dispell it, and simply offer that more research is needed.
Tell me what basic reasoning you think I'm missing by answering the questions, newbie. And perhaps dose down your SSRIs - you seem a bit testy.
Edit: it ain't real convincing when yer can't even spell "geologic"
DO FOSSIL REMAINS MEAN ANYTHInG TO YOU? HOW ABOUT EVOLUTIONARY GENETICS? IS IT A COINCIDENCE THE HUMAN GENOTYPE IS 99% SIMILAR TO THAT OF A DOG OR MONKEY? DO THOSE THINGS COMPLICATE YOUR VIEW OF RELIGION? DO RELIGION"S LIES HURT YOU? ARE YOU SCARED TO DIE? AFTER YOU DIE WILL YOUR FRIENDS BE THERE HANGING OUT?
There are plenty of fossil remains, but not one of them support the theory of evolution. Evolutionary genetics? How about just calling it "genetics" and avoid the bias. You are clearly in the tank for this...
At least you asked the important question - am I scared to die? Not at all. But I've been asked to do a few things before then...
FOSSILS DON"T SUPPORT EVOLUTION? DO YOU KNOW WHAT AN ASSHOLE YOU ARE? DON'T BE THAT GUY. YOU CAN RE-EDUCATE YOURSELF AND NOT BE SUCH A WEIRDO. I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. WERE YOUR PARENTS IN A CULT? RELIGION IS A CULT.
Show us where fossils support evolution. Specifically, what is there in the fossil record that irrefutably shows a sequence of species evolving from one to the next? You won't because you can't. You have filled in the blanks with a bunch of rhetoric you were told to accept as 'given.' I've researched this issue as much as anyone I know and no one has been able to meet a scientific standard in which the fossil record proves the theory. Not one. I'm gonna be shocked if you skew the curve.
edit: It's not real fashionable to up-arrow yerself, Jethro.
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions. 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion. 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
cult noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies. 2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult. 3. the object of such devotion. 4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc. 5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
There are plenty of questions religious people can't answer. There are also plenty of question atheist can't answer. Believing or not believing in religion is mostly an aesthetic choice, i.e. what one finds attractive. The problem occurs when one identifies with one's belief to the point where someone who believes otherwise is a bad person. This is true for both religionists and atheists. Look at yourself and decide where you are at.
Dark Matter Whats the middle ground? Half Believing? I sort of believe Jesus was the son of God but I also believe in evolution. Were nazi's bad people? They just had beliefs. I'm not nearly as criical of beliefs as I am actions. The actions of religious people disgust me. Their beliefs are merely chidlsh and illogical but they give rise to a society that is really really fucked up. Should we all get along with murderers? If a child molester lived next door would you say something? You should look at yourself and ask why am I so pliable? Am I insecure? Do I need positive reinforcement and the approbation of others to validate myself?
Larry, you're the one that wants to go after people that don't "believe" evolution, round them up, and herd them into "reeducation camps".
That sounds like religious fanaticism to me.
People probably don't disgust you because they are religious but because they use religion to justify their disgusting, illogical behavior. People can use anything to do this: religion, science, ethnicity, nationality or their favorite sports team all work well. By their fruits ye shall know them.
I am not very pliable when it comes to behavior. I am not for getting along with murderers or child molesters. Give them a fair trial and kill them if they are found guilty.
The fact that we have to "believe in" evolution sounds like it's a religion itself.
Spend energies on those who make you strong. Energy spent on weaklings drags you to doom.
Where else would human life begin? Oh that's right, if you answered that Planned Parenthood would be out of business. And if "It" isn't human, than where is PETA protecting the rights of this helpless plant/animal/bacterial creature that "magically" becomes human at some indeterminate time?
ZYGOTES ARENT HUMAN"S NEITHER IS A FETUS. FERTILIZED CUM AND EGG STARTS WITH WHATS CALLED SYNGAMY. BUTTERFLIES AREN'T LARVAE EITHER. WHY NOT PROTECT SPERM? ONLY SPERM MIXED WITH EGG? LIFE IS SPERM AND EGG. OR MAYBE LIFE IS MORE? IT ISN"T "MAGIC" ASSHOLE IT CALLED MITOSIS. CELLS DIVIDE AND PROTEINS SYNTHESIZE. WHEN DOES THE "SOUL" START? CAN RELIGION EXPLAIN THAT TO ME?
Is your Caps Lock button stuck or something, or are you usually this juvinile?
You must not be "life" either; so by your logic I can come over and kick your mitosis-ized ass until it's "dead"...or at least back to fetus-state since those are obviously not alive.
I GUESS MISCARRIAGE SHOULD BE MURDER THEN. HUMANS ARE JUST HERE TO PROCREATE. A FERTILIZED EGG IS THE SAME AS A BREATHING HUMAN. LET"S KILL ANIMALS, BUT SPERM/EGG FUSIONS. LET"S ORIENT OUR WHOLE OUTLOOK ON LIFE/SOCIETY TO MARGINALIZE THOSE LIVING BUT PROTECT ZYGOTES. HOPEFULLY THE AFTERLIFE WILL REWARD US. ZYGOTES AREN"T HUMANS YOU STUPID ASSHOLE. I"M NOT A FETUS OR ZYGOTE. CAPS LOCK IMPLIES NOTHING ABOUT MATURITY. MATURITY COMES FROM THINKING CRITICALLY AND NOT BELIEVING IN FOLKLORE. SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT CAPS LOCK AND ADMIT THAT RELIGION IS IDIOTIC. TAKE THAT STEP. LEARN ABOUT SCIENCE NOT STORIES ABOUT FIRE AND BRIMSTONE. WAKE THE FUCK UP.
Your mother purposefully dropped you on your head as a baby didn't she? Do you think she was testing her belief in science or religion?
Now, who is to blame for your current condition, science, religion or your mother?
Jesus is NOT the son of god and you ARE an ASSHOLE.
LarryDavis
So say's you.
What age are you? and small caps doesn't relate to the TRUE GOD.
The I AM,is GOD.
Asshole, yep sometimes,show me someone that isn't.
Today I have a bad case of whoop ass itus(beem abused at the Malls today).I will admit,that time of the month.
But,still doesn't mean your not fos.
Wow Larry, you've come a long way, in a very short period of time,
"Jesus is NOT the son of god and you ARE an ASSHOLE."
You've gone from viewing religion as being some source of all evil in the world...to admitting to the existence of God Himself.
Its like a "revelation" or sumpin...lol.
Now, the difference between us is, I'll freely admit to being an asshole...but if nothing else, I'm at least thought provoking.
Ah!! So you are a Muslim LarryDavis? You believe that Jesus was a wise man/ prophet instead.
<sarc off>
Larry is not life, he is a byproduct of life. Essentially, Larry is a pre-fossilized coprolite.
I'm sorry you have been so damaged by religious tyranny. I feel for you.
Please describe how religion coerces anyone in today's world. I can come up with a list of a thousand ways people are coerced by government. You're stuck in a high school sophomore mindset.
RIGHT. HOW ABOUT OUR INTERACTIONS WITH THE ENTIRE FUCKING MIDDLE EAST? CHRISTMAS VACATION??? WE ARE ENSNARED IN AN IDEOLOGICAL CONFLICT COSTING MANY MANY LIVES (AKA OIL). HOW ABOUT ABORTION? HOW ABOUT OUR ENTIRE SET OF JUDEO CHRISTIAN (VALUES)LAWS? HOW ABOUT EVOLUTION IN THE CLASS ROOM? STEM CELL RESEARCH? THE SORRY FUCKS OUT THERE WHO GIVE THEIR TIME MONEY TO RELIGION? GAY MARRIAGE? CAN YOU SEE HOW SOME OF THE AFOREMENTIONED RELATE TO THE RELIGIOUS ENTRENCHMENT IN AMERICAN SOCIETY? RELGION IS JUST ONE WAY OF CONTROLLING THE MASSES AND POISONING INTELLLECTUAL ENDEAVOR. READ THE COMMENTS OF THE CREATIONISTS IN THIS THREAD AND ASK YOURSELF ABOUT RELIGION'S INFLUENCE? DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
LarryDavis
You straight atheist,or Homo also?.Hater/Bigoted bastard.
Larry, please let me you offer some advice as one Atheist to another. Please lose the CAPS. You are not making the argument any better no matter how angry you might be. Second, the "Golden Rule" is called that for a reason. You don't have to be an Atheist to believe in it. Know that we are Bright and be content. Peace.
religion combined with government, is tyranny.
please explain how it is the domain of government to create rules that apply solely to the female, when in fact pregnancy is a co-created phenomenon.
if a law is created specifically for females, and has zero penalty for the male in a situation he contributes to, then it must be that ole tyme religion speakin'.
Anyone referring to the Creator in the 21st century is a f*** amateur and will believe anything.
Seems to me the more we've crowded out the Creator, the worse things have gotten.
To me, those who believe in the myth of evolution are amateurs. For a century and a half, atheists have clung to their beloved, non-disprovable theory (which is easily dismissed for lack of any evidence), for the one and only purpose of refuting the existence of a Creator. Atheist or not, your rant rings hollow.
And in terms of what you "don't understand about Christianity," rest assured it's more than what you wrote.
Plan accordingly for the afterlife. No dogs I heard.
'preciate you validating that you have no substance. Merry Xmas.
Only in allah's "heaven". God loves dogs.
YOU TALK TO GOD?
only in small caps.
Just curious, have you ever seen a car assemble itself spontaneously? No? Hmm, but yet you want me to believe in the fairy tale that something a gazillion times more complex (the universe) was able to spontaneously appear, assemble and set up ongoing maintenance all by itself.
Very astute comments throughout, Mr. Darth, Sir.
REALLY ASTUTE. "SPONTANEOUSLY"? EVOLUTION HAPPENED OVER A VERY LONG TIME PERIOD WHICH IS HARD FOR YOU TO RECONCILE. MAYBE YOU ARE SIMPLY LESS EVOLVED. LOOK NO FURTHER.
How are you sure it was a long time? 24 hrs / 365 days on Earth is very different than 24 hrs / 365 on Jupiter. I hope your little evolution stopwatch works better than the Caps Lock on your keyboard.
Well, I remember playing on an old broken-down tractor at my grandparents' farm when I was 5 or 6--that my grandpa told me had already been sitting there for 20 years. Thirty+ years later, when I was home for Thanksgiving and drove by that farm, the old tractor was...wait for it...STILL there and STILL broken down. I would've thought it had at least spouted a new set of tires, or maybe just a new headlight cover in over fifty years. Maybe it was just waiting for an Obama stimulus to get its evolutionary juices going.
CARBON DATING IS MORE ACCURATE THAN YOUR TRACTOR STORY. MAYBE YOU DONT BELIEVE IN HALF-LIFE? NUCLEAR CHEMISTRY SOUNDS LIKE A SCAM LET"S TRUST STORIES FROM 2000 YEARS AGO TO EXPALIN THINGS. ALL CULTURES HAVE CREATION MYTHS BUT ONLY YOU ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THEM AND RELATE SOMETHING ABSURDLY COMPLEX TO GRANDPA"S TRAILER. YOU ARE NOT SMART. IF OYU HAD ALL THE MONEY YOU GAVE TO CHURCH YOU COULD BUY SOME BOOKS. YOU MUST LEARN.
Never played Half-Life. I prefer Call of Duty.
Ever research the standard deviation of radio carbon dating and some of the sleight of hand of carbon-12 isotopes? A "good" test would tell us that you are somewhere between 200,000 years old and not born for another 50 centuries.
And stop calling people OYU. It's offensive.
YOU ASSHOLE 50 CENTURIES IS ONLY 5000 YEARS...........EARTH IS 4.6 BILLION YEARS OLD. DO YOU SEE HOW CARBON DATING IS RELATIVELY ROBUST? WHAT IS 200,000 TO 4.6 BILLION? YOU DO THE MATH.
46 000 000 000 / 200 000 = 230 000
from a percentage perspective, is 1/230,000 a large margin for error?
Well, I was thinking more along the lines of since you're 9, a variance of 200,000 years is about 2.2 million percent, or as they say, about 40 sigmas.
BTW, tell us how you know the earth is 4.6 billion years old. If you answer "I was there at the beginning," "because that's what I was told," or "the carbon-dating says so," you lose.
LOSE????? YOU ARE A FUCKING MONKEY. LET"S THROW OUT MODERN BIOLOGY, CHEMISTRY, AND PHYSICS SO YOU CAN CLING TO YOUR PATHETIC BELIEFS IN THE BOOGEYMAN. HOW OLD IS THE EARTH? HOW DOES A GOD FEARING MAN ASSESS THE AGE OF THE EARTH? IF YOU DON"T BELIEVE IN SCIENCE BUT DO BELIEVE IN STORIES ABOUT MANNA THEN I CAN"T REASON WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE INSANE. YOU BELIEVE IN SOMETHING FOR WHICH THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AND NOW YOU ARE ASKING ME FOR PROOF OF WHICH I HAVE AMPLY PROFIDED........RELIGION OBSCURES RATIONAL THOUGHT AND IS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE AND DANGEROUS. NO DIFFERENT FROM CULTS WHERE PEOPLE CUT THEIR FACES OFF AND BELIEVE IN ALIENS. BOTH ARE MISGUIDED. GO TO YOUR ORACLE, SACRIFICE A LAMB, ANY WISDOM?
Wikipedia provides the wisdom you are seeking. According to the latest cosmological theories, quote: "The universe began as a singularity of zero volume and infinite density."
We see that a lot in nature (snicker) so it was nothing special. Seriously, it means one of two things: 1. This was an event that goes way beyond the normal rules of nature, so may have another explanation, outside of nature. Or 2. It happens all the time (multiverse theory/infinity universe theory).
If it's the latter, it requires an infinite, eternal energy source - a bare bones definition of God. But don't tell that to naturalists. They think that dead matter can rearrange itself by pure chance to develop cells and life (near infinite complexity, compared to everything else in nature). But they assume that an eternal, unlimited energy must be forever mute and dumb. Dead matter can evolve into or develop intelligence, but not infinite energy. Does that sound logical to you?
OBVIOUSLY THE WORK OF GOD..........YOU DON"T HOW THE UNIVERSE BEGAN BUT YOU THINK GOD IS AN ACCEPTABLE ASWER TO SUCH A COMPLEX SITUATION????? LOOK INTO THERMOPHILES. WHY NOT JUST SAY THAT YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA AND YOU WERE TAIGHT SOME BULLSHIT AS A KID BY PEOPLE WHO NEEDED SOME HOKEY SYSTEM TO GET THROUGH THE DAY AND NOW YOU ARE ON WIKIPEDIA TRYING TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING IDIOTIC. GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT. THAT'S ALL. BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU WANT. I'M SAYING CHRISTIANITY IS INSANE AND ANYONE WHO IS A PRACTICING CHRISTIAN (BELIEVES JESUS WAS SON OF GOD) IS NOT FIT FOR POLITICS IN 2012. NOAH'S ARK? TELL ME ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS.
OBVIOUSLY THE WORK OF GOD..........YOU DON"T HOW THE UNIVERSE BEGAN BUT YOU THINK GOD IS AN ACCEPTABLE ASWER TO SUCH A COMPLEX SITUATION????? LOOK INTO THERMOPHILES. WHY NOT JUST SAY THAT YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA AND YOU WERE TAIGHT SOME BULLSHIT AS A KID BY PEOPLE WHO NEEDED SOME HOKEY SYSTEM TO GET THROUGH THE DAY AND NOW YOU ARE ON WIKIPEDIA TRYING TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING IDIOTIC. GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT. THAT'S ALL. BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU WANT. I'M SAYING CHRISTIANITY IS INSANE AND ANYONE WHO IS A PRACTICING CHRISTIAN (BELIEVES JESUS WAS SON OF GOD) IS NOT FIT FOR POLITICS IN 2012. NOAH'S ARK? TELL ME ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS.
Please try the following experiment:
Get a flashlight, screw the cap off, take out the batteries and put the flashlight, cap and the two batteries in a shoe box and shake the box. How long before the batteries end up in the flashlight with the cap screwed on? An hour? a year? 1000 years? 4.6 billion years? My guess is it will never, ever, ever, ever happen because the entropy in the system undoes the forward progress too quickly.
So how did life evolve? You can randomly create a few proteins but can you keep them together long enough to create life? The described process of evolution may (or may not) be correct but to say it is all just random, uninfluenced and unplanned is too big a leap of faith.
Beyond that I kind of like the idea of evolution. Which is cooler, designing a toy car or a designing a toy car that can morph into a robot?
So you don' t think life on earth started with bacteria and evolved from there? I LIKE THE FLASHLIGHT STORY. You think someone planned this world?
to say it is all just random, uninfluenced and unplanned is too big a leap of faith.
You think God influences/helps the process along and turns his attention (sounds like Zeus)? Random.........DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FUCKING STARS THERE ARE IN THE UNIVERSE? RELIGIOUS DIPSHITS NEED TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH LARGE NUMBERS FUCK DEUTERONOMY. PLANNED?
It is a fascinating paradox. To big to be planned, to complex to be random. Choose your side. And once you have chosen it defend it to the death.
god doesnt exist. complexity is a RELATIVE PERCEPTION. WHAT"S COMPLEX TO YOU ISN'T THAT COMPLEX TO MOST OTHER PRIMATES. YOUR LABEL OF "TOO COMPLEX" IS MORONIC.
LarryDavis
Dude god (isn't GOD), and there is ony ONE Messiah.
And GOD ain't HIM.
Do atheists have sex, or make love? Where does goodness come from? I am not particularly religious, but I believe in a higher power. You come across as a very dark and angry individual.
ClassicalLib17
ASK LARRY.
no one gives a fuck about your higher power conceit. stop thinking about it and teach a child how to read. do something. i am angry because religious assholes have ruined my country and people need to understand the harmful effects of religion. we are in a fucking holy war and there is now a movement to have fertilized eggs treated like people in the south. how can we get the financial picture in order when people don't have the reasoning skills to not believe in noah's ark?
Here's how the large numbers work out. This is long but worth reading, form the essay "If we are Creatures"
Long odds
Our growing understanding of the complexity of life has changed the entire debate about the origin of life, and makes the naturalistic explanation of life look exceedingly unlikely, since by its own admission it is dependent upon random chance to determine outcomes.
The aphorism, ‘If you give enough monkeys typewriters and give them enough time, they will eventually replicate the works of William Shakespeare’, is a canard. Things like sentences have to be organized in a certain way, so the longer they are, the less likely you’ll be to find them by chance. It turns out that to get just one line of Shakespeare it would take many more keystrokes than there are atoms in the universe. It’s an incredible number, so large that the likelihood of getting any line is basically zero.
In order for very unlikely things to happen, a lot of opportunity is required. The likelihood of the chance appearance of living creatures is not affected very much by the fact that the universe is quite old, nor by the fact that there exist a hundred billion or more galaxies, with a hundred billion or more stars in each. Even with the most generous assumptions, the chance existence of life seems like the remotest conceivable possibility.
Scientists believe that if life arose spontaneously here on Earth, it happened in the water. How many times, in the history of the universe, has life had a chance to arise spontaneously in water? It’s impossible to know, but we will err on the high side:
Assume that in each cubic millimeter of water in the universe, nature produces a chance combination of dead matter that might result in a cell, once every second. Further, assume that whatever imbues the fully-formed and ready-to-function cell with life is always present.
We’ll be exceedingly generous and also assume that there is a water-bearing world circling every star in every galaxy. We’ll also assume that every star in every galaxy has existed since the beginning of the universe, being orbited by its water world the entire time. Obviously these are much broader terms than really exist, but in the end it doesn’t matter how generous we are, and this makes the math simpler.
A gallon of water contains roughly 2.5 million cubic millimeters, a tiny cube about the size of a grain of salt. There are approximately 325 trillion gallons of water on Earth. That’s about 1020 cubic millimeters of water on Earth.
With 100 billion stars in our Milky Way, we’re at 1030 cubic millimeters of water in our galaxy alone.
There are estimated to be some 100 billion galaxies, so we’re now at 1040 cubic millimeters of water in the universe.
With 31 million seconds per year x 13.7 billions years since the universe began, that’s about 5 x 1017 seconds that have passed since the big bang, bringing us to about 1058 opportunities.
So using terms that are overly generous in every way, since the dawn of the universe there have been 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chances for a living cell to form in water. That seems like a lot of opportunity.
But consider again the monkeys randomly typing away, trying to get a line of Shakespeare. The odds are that it will happen one time in every 10150 keystrokes:
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
Why are the lines of Shakespeare so hard to come by? Say that the average line of Shakespeare has 100 letters (forget the space bar). In order to make up a sentence, the letters must be typed in a specific order, and with each keystroke the chances of getting the letter you want are 1 in 26. So the chances of getting any specific four letter word from four random keystrokes are 1 in 26 x 26 x 26 x 26, or 1 in 456 thousand. The chances of getting a specific 8 letter word are one in 208 billion. Since the letters in the Shakespeare line have to be in a specific order, when you carry 26 x 26 x 26 out to 100 characters, it’s an astronomical number.
It’s true that this assumes we are looking for one specific line from Shakespeare. But even assuming that he wrote one million lines, and the monkeys could type any one of them, that only changes the odds to 1 in 10144. In fact, if you allowed the monkeys to type any 100 character sentence of any kind, in any language, the odds would still be in the 10130+ range against them ever typing a single coherent sentence in any written language.
If every star in every galaxy had a planet with as much water as Earth, and on every one, from the beginning of the universe until now, every cubic millimeter of water ‘mixed’ into a new combination every second, the number of chances for the spontaneous appearance of the first cell that the vast universe would have already produced would be just 1058. There are ninety-two more zeros to add before enough opportunity has passed for chance to produce something as complicated as a single line of Shakespeare.
Cells are more complex than lines of Shakespeare. There are twenty different amino acids that make up the various proteins used in the construction of cells. Some proteins are hundreds of amino acids long. Required for even a simple cell are a large number of different proteins and other components such as bio-molecules and RNA. The task is complicated by the fact that systems for energy and reproduction must work properly the first time, or the cell is born dead. Both systems utilize vast amounts of ordered information.
Consider: When the odds of something happening a single time have to be expressed in terms of the number of atoms in the universe, the odds against that thing ever happening are very long indeed. There are 100 trillion atoms in a single cell. 10 to the 150th power is one million times all the atoms in the universe in as many universes as there are atoms in the universe. Complex things like sentences don’t happen by chance, ever.
Every other combination of elements found in the universe is essentially infinitely simpler than the simplest living thing. Chance just doesn’t cut it as an explanation for the most complex thing in the universe, life.
THIS IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT. WHAT"S IN THE NUMERATOR AND DIVISOR OF THIS CHANCE EQUATION? MONKEY"S TYPING SONNETS RELATIVE TO SOME IMPLIED COMPLEXITY OF LIFE? COEFFICIENT? MOLECULES ARE COMPLEX AND SO MONKEYS CAN'T TYPE SENTENCES? WHAT A MEANINGLESS PIECE OF SHIT. BECAUSE MONKEYS CAN"T TYPE SHAKESPEARE LIFE CAN'T BE ATTRIBUTED CHANCE. WHAT IF JELLYFISH TYPED? YOU ARE MISSING TOO MUCH OF THE PUZZLE. I WOULD RECCOMMEND LOOKING INTO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE TREMENDOUS HEAT AND PRESSURE AND COLLISIONS FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS. FUCK THIS RINKY DINK MONKEY SHIT. DID GOD PLANT FOSSILS IN THE DESERT? IS IT A COINCIDENCE THAT DNA EXISTS IN BACTERIA AND HUMANS AND RODENTS?
LarryDavis
If you are Sight Impaired forgive me, but if not................pls TURN OFF THE FRIGGING CAPS.
You ten year old wanker.
Your mind is a little speck in the cosmos. That is a certainty. Arguing anything beyond that as a certainty seems foolish to me. Especially with all CAPS.
The argument is about chance. Mix up 100 scrabble tiles and lay them in a row and you will never get a sentence, ever. By the time you get it right through the middle of the sentence you've already spent all of eternity shaking tiles.
Like a sentence, cells have a number of components. The first fully functional cell required many, and in specific combination and order. Because naturalism depends only on random combinations of dead matter, you will never get a cell just by mixing them randomly, even if all the necessary components are in one place. Even if you could, that doesn't account for the animation of the dead matter into something living.
Mr. Sterling, you are correct with recognizing that the law of large numbers inherently favors the creation of life without the need of some flying spaghetti monster's intervention. The discovery of stromatilites in Australia way back in the 1950s shows that life was here on Earth billions of years ago.
Thank you for the amazing math leason--the numbers are staggering. Milestones
Your lack of education is disturbingly normal. Go read Einstein on God, and then of course you're be referencing Spinoza soon after.
You can randomly create a few proteins but can you keep them together long enough to create life
Well there's a little more to it. Proteins need an entropic molecule (a molecule that eats other molecules and consumes their "binding" energies) to organize around.
Evolution as an explanation for the origin of a species is a seriously flawed theory that only makes sense in a high school biology text. Once you start researching it beyond that you will realize that it is highly unplausible.
Micro-evolution (the evolution within a species) is something real and obersvable. A species does adapt to it's environment over the generations, but it never becomes another species. In fact that wouldn't even make sense according to evolution. If a species is adapting with each generation, why would need to become another species to survive.
Macro-evolution (the evoluation of one species into another) is not real and has never once been observed in nature. The fossil record does not support it and, in fact, in contradicts the idea of micro-evoluation.
Regardless of how slow you think evolution occurs, if you believe in macro evolution then you must believe that at some points in time an invdividual within a species gave birth to something different.
For example, humans have 23 pairs of chromosones. Apes have 24. If you believe that we have a common ancestor, then it stands to reason that ancestor either had 23, 24 or some other number. Let's say it was 24. The theory of evolution suggest that somewhere along the line a 24 chromosone paired ape gave birth to a human-like thing with 23 pairs. And not only did this happen, it happened to enough individuals at the same time so that this new species could procreate and develop.
This has never been observed in nature ... EVER.
Winning post. :D
YOU PEOPLE ARE SO FUCKING STUPID. IT"S SCARY. REALLY SCARY THAT YOU DON"T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. HUMANS HAVE ONLY BEEN OBSERVING NATURE FROM A SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS. WHAT DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT? OVER A BILLION YEARS SHIT HAPPENS. GET IT?
I believe water freezes at 0 degrees celsius. Am I a nut-job or what?
Yes.
See the long post I made above. You're living in a fantasy conception of reality.
Oh please. Go take your anti science and run along. Pat Robertson and his morons are missing one of their social science majors.
Come on Larry. Its ok to believe what you want. Dont knock on other people because of what they believe in. Just respect there space as I respect yours. We dont have to believe in the same things but we all have the same problems. We are all in the boat together and its not the time to start fighting among each other.
From all the responses you got below, I'd say you're being well-fed today my man.
You may want to figure out why you're so angry though. You don't control that shit, it will control you.
Very atheist? It sounds like a kind of religion.
ha ha, feed trolls, much?
Nice organic avatar dipshit. Here are two things I don't like: religion and anything of/or pertaining to the republican party. I'm not some pot smoking jam band roadie either. I am a geneticist who likes to gamble (stocks, sports, women, etc) and TO ME RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN A FUNCTIONAL SOCIETY. If that makes me a troll then you can think whatever the fuck you want. What is more evil than large religions such those that Ron Paul supports?
Religion has a place in a free society for those who choose to practice religion.
What do you have against freedom, butthole?
BECAUSE RELIGION IS JUST A TOOL TO KEEP THE POOR IN CHECK. LOOK AT THE MIDDLE EAST. CHRISTIANITY IS NO BETTER. WHAT SOCIETY NEEDS IS EDUCATION AND NOT FAIRY TALES. TIME SPENT PRAYING SHOULD BE SPENT ON MEDICINE, FARMING, ETC. HOW FREE DO YOU WANT IT? SHOULD ONE BE ALLOWED TO RAPE YOUR DAUGHTER? HEY HE WANTED TO BE FREE? YOU LOVE FREEDOM BUT ONLY IF IT CONFORMS TO JUDEO-CHRISTIAN NORMS. DON"T FORGET THAT YOU WEREN"T GOOD AT SPORTS EITHER.
Yes, because religion is man-made. God is not.
Jesus: But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (Matthew 5:44)
Mohammed: "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." (Quran 2:191-193)
TO ME RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN A FUNCTIONAL SOCIETY.
So how do you explain the fact that you worship yourself?
Because anybody with a functioning brain, over the age of 20, should have realized libertarianism is a complete joke!
And as to the quote, anyone with a functioning brain by this time has read David Graeber's outstanding Debt: The First 5,000 Years, and noted the excellent graph on p. 633 (if memory serves) which shows the exact correlation between "defense" spending in America and the American debt.
But, Dr. Paul is the only republicon who has actually served in the US military, unlike the other traitorous scum.
John Boehner: in 1968, he washed out of US Naval basic training, claiming back trouble (common complaint of the chronic, malingering slacker). Boehner would later claim, his first time running for the House of Representatives, military service during Vietnam!
George W. Bush: in 1968, he washed out half-way through USAF enlisted basic training, then returned home where his Daddy pinned officer bars on him. [According to the official story, he is supposed to have completed enlisted training, and then miraculously have qualified as an officer --- and to date, ONLY one person has claimed to have gone through flight school with Georgie, and that person was paid much money by the Bush family --- surely there has to be two people who remember such an experience, and likewise, Georgie flunked the pilot's entrance exam!]
Romney avoided Viet Nam War draft by doing missionary work-in the south of
France: http://nationalmemo.com/article/strange-true-mitt-romney-spent-vietnam-war-french-palace
Ron Paul is the least scummy of the lot that occupies political office, but his comment that implies (at least by my reading, which could be wrong) that the century of total war is due to central banking is creepy.
Also, that he is on record openly recommending that the United States government should default. I would prefer that our lowlifes in office speak of accepting responsibility as difficult/impossible that it is for them to conceptualize.
Creepy? WHO ARE YOU TROLLS? Look at a fucking graph, fucknut.
I see trolls. Lots of them, on someone's payroll. There's more RP bashing stupidity on this post than any I've ever seen here.
RP failed to oversee a damned newsletter. TPTB have failed to oversee EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. So you'll stick with them? If you're that stupid, save us and yourself some trouble, and end your miserable life now, please.
First off, Merry Christmas.
Second, I don't know the newsletter issue you are referring to.
Third, central banking has been around before this century. Even before they existed as a formal institution, the practice of central banking has been around as long as there has been banking and financial markets. It works to mitigate the correlation effects that come with default. Nothing really special about them. The Fed is what "ensures" that the United States will not default. It may accomplish this through inflation, but I have come around to the view that this is preferable to the alternative.
"...that the century of total war is due to central banking is creepy."
And,
"First off, Merry Christmas."
First off, Wall Street owns "Christmas" so you'll not find too many here responding today.
Secondly, just how out of touch with reality, history, etc., are you? Assuming you are anything other than a troll or chatbot, of course.
Banksters are behind every war. The financing of the Third Reich by the likes of Harriman, Rockefeller, Mellon, Ford, Bush and company, etc. (although the Bush family, was small potatoes back then, money-wise).
And on the Euro side, the Rothschilds, no doubt?
Every war has normally historically been funded, both sides, by the banksters, dood!
And stating ignorance of Paul's newsletter, which in prior interviews he has claimed extensive knowledge of, doesn't qualify as an excuse.
Too many Ameritards claim ignorance today, 'cause they've been spending all their slacker time viewing sports, TV, movies, etc.
The Treason of the People....
Nobody owns Christmas if you have goodness in your heart.
Total war is due to hungry, angry, disenfranchised people that feel that they have nowhere to turn but to take from and otherwise exploit others. How war is funded is not the antecedent. People really aren't stupid, but when they are desperate they can act like cornered rats.
I'm really curious now about that newsletter. What are you people talking about?
You are a monument to stupidity.
Proles don't start wars. TPTB do, every time.
Hi!
I'm a rocket salesman. I want to be wealthy.
Mr. Rogers is a fake. Buy my rockets.
You do have a point. There are a whole lot of really ignorant and obnoxious people in the world easy to manipulate, and war takes a whole lot of people to agree to pull those triggers. They don't have to if they are OK with the consequences. Maybe it is correct to consider people as if they were just some nameless mindless herd.
I suppose the real fools are the ones that think some politician is going take away this Orwellian world of the proles and create a golden age of dreams and unicorns.
Hope! Oh, and Change!
Hmm. So, in other words, manipulate a whold buncha sheep so you can go to war? Yeah, makes sense.
I'm just taking Sterling Buyer's point to its logical conclusion. Shame you couldn't see that.
There are many Republics still on this blog who don't want to face reality.
Read it and weep, folks...
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/12/white-supremacists-rally...
I don't think you read it.
Oh there is much worse under the crust, but probably most at ZH knew all about the seedy affair before I did. And sadly, prolly don't care what he believes about this stuff anyway.
"Prolly" is not a word. Is it really that hard to type "probably?" But I guess that lazy writing and lazy thinking go hand in hand.
Imma wishin u a merry xmas!
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/prolly
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sloppy?q=sloppy
An American nut job, he is our nut job... sir!
Kato wants to slit his own throat and he calls us "nutjobs."
This guy is probably living with his 80 year old mommy after his wife left him because he bought a garbage can in 2007 and lost all his money. I hope you bought my shthole for a cool 500k, bwahahhaa
Either that, or he is one of those really fat guys riding his electric wheelchair in my local Wal-Mart.
Nothing against fat guys... it's the wheelchairs I despise.
That's a pretty big and groundless assumption. One can only hope that you, like all other Paul supporters choose your political candidates with a littkle more 'due diligence', eh?
Another compelling argument from Ron Paul's detractors.
I logged in just to vote this down.
well that will have as much effect on the poster as voting in the presidential election has to remove our corrupt gov't.
Stupidity has no speedlimit sir and you are on a bullet train.
Hot damn, JPH, you are on a heater lately with the wit. Love it.
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Stupidity is possibly the only thing available in infinite quantities to all of humanity.
Ron Paul scares the shit out of people and he is saying many of the same things Thomas Jefferson said.
Today people qued outside malls for hours in the cold and darkness to buy air jordan tennis shoes, but they won't spend an hour on line to educate themselves about the political leaders of the nation they are a part of.
How much propaganda do you have to swallow to wait 6 hours in the cold and dark for a chance to fork over 180$ for a pair of tennis shoes? Can anybody doubt the persuasive power of television? Can anybody doubt the pervasive ignorance of a once free society?
Look, it’s Nutter Number One – the Great Kato – who leads the Nut Parade! Let the Nut Wars begin!
Ron wisely said "liberty is lost through complacency" You prove that it is also lost through ignorance.
A right is not a right unless a person is willing to stand up and protect that right.
You sure about that? You have the right to remain silent. Me and my posse with stick around and make sure you do so.
Consider how bad things are right now. Consider who got us there: mainstream Republicans and Democrats.
Ron Paul's opinions on the role of the Federal government and the ways he'd make it smaller seem extreme to many people. But look at how extreme our circumstances are now! We were led to these extremities by mainstream politicians of both major parties.
“If the rule you followed led you to this of what use was the rule?”
What does a smart man do when he finds himself in a hole? He stops digging! Keep putting the same corrupt in office. Don't vote for Ron Paul, and bitch about getting more of the same.
What does a smart man do when he finds himself in a hole? He stops digging! Keep putting the same corrupt in office. Don't vote for Ron Paul, and bitch about getting more of the same.
Amen. RP = constitution
Anyone else = same old neocon warmongering and welfare statism.
You can't condemn Paul without _preferring_ unconstitutional government. He may not be a perfect human being, but he is a perfect constititionalist. That is the issue.
If "nutjob" is all you've got, you've got nothing.
The First World War was started because of political and strategic miscalculations. The Second World War was started because of the mad ambitions of one dictator (Hitler) and another Empire (Japan). I'm no fan of Centralized Banking, but its downright silly to blame it for either conflict.
You may want to look into who was backing Hitler.
...and what famous families
and who actually declared war first...
And why he was recently seen in Vegas palling around with Elvis.
List of Political Contributors to Hitler in 1933:
Paul M. Warburg, first director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and chairman of the Bank of Manhattan.
Edsel B. Ford of the Ford Motor Company
C.E. Mitchell of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
Walter Teagle, director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey, and President Franklin D. Roosevelt's Georgia Warm Springs Foundation.
E. Roland Harrimann, Vice president of W. A. Harriman & Co., New York
C. LIEVENSE President, Union Banking Corp., New York City
YOU CAN'T HAVE EITHER A WARFARE OR A WELFARE STATE WITHOUT FIAT MONEY. WAKE UP, DUMMY
You should try reading...like some books...some day.
Uh, I have read books. Lots of 'em. I'm an engineer, not a historian, but I've still read lots of history. Especially when I went though Command & Staff and the War College. But I suppose only the books YOU read actually count--right?
'downright silly to blame it for either conflict' ...
This is a true statement IF YOU CONTINUE to believe what you've been taught in the American 'create debt slaves' education system...
Read --> 'The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy' by Jim Marrs...
With an open mind, this will blow your socks off and there are 43 pages of sources to fact check...
Let's see, what let Hitler come to power? Oh, was the implosion of the Weimar Republic due to central bank hyperinflation? Why yes, yes it was.
This link should help in understanding the causes of both World Wars:
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
Oh, I see now--it was all the fault of the Joooos. As is everything. All educated people know that the world would be a land of milk and honey were it not for those wiley Jews. [/s]
Seriously, go back under whatever rock you crawled out from under, you anti-Semetic POS.
You (and even some of the commenters responding to you)
totally miss the point.
Central Banking enables conflict on a much larger scale, by providing the financing for it. You might want to go back in history a few centuries or so and determine how many wars ended because the king ran out of money. Did this happen anywhere in the 20th century too? Not that I know of.
Is your name a play on the Cato Institute?
Kato: I don't have comments if this blog is racist or not, but I don't understand why do you spend time here if you don't like what is discussed here. I am sure there are ebony gay blogs that you will find more enjoyable.
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. - Fuhrer Adolf Hitler
But could he be better than the 4th Best President Ever??
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Kato: You're a stellar example of why Democracies are a flawed concept of government. Your vote, wrapped in all its glorious ignorance, negates that of a reasoned, informed individual. I've always felt the achilles heel of the Founding of the American REPUBLIC, was Jefferson's failure to heed Hamilton's arguement that ONLY those with a limited amount of property (a small homestead or business) should be allowed the franchise to vote. In essence, ONLY those with "some skin in the game" would be allowed to direct the American ship of state.
Believing that people without property don't have skin in the game is pretty silly though. What happened when the property owners liked slavery for example? What if the property owners decided tax breaks on themselves and increased taxes for others, or a war draft for a war that a non-property owner was too busy trying to work and survive never noticed even started and never would find out was for mercantilist reasons?
first coment on thread and you get junked 241 times!! wow. but those 16 up arrows puzzle me, were they all folk that hit the wrong button? or do you have freinds?
That is either a very big bridge, or the team is trying to see how many of them will fit into a VW for the next Trollympics.
All clowns travel in the same car right?
No.
You have to keep the anti-Paul trolls seperated from the anti-PM trolls or the track gets too shit stained for the judges and timekeepers to do their part. I suspect there is also a bit of crossover between these two particular teams, and it can make awarding the medals a complete shambles.
Some events like the Debunked Meme Recital can be especially hazardous for the spectators. Especially if they are seated near the bottom of the Ski-Jump. They tend to go splat when they land in the truth zone.
And so forth.