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Quotes Of The Day - Ron Paul Edition
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Quotes Of The Day - Ron Paul Edition
“Ideas are very important to the shaping of society. In fact, they are more powerful than bombings or armies or guns. And this is because ideas are capable of spreading without limit. They are behind all the choices we make. They can transform the world in a way that governments and armies cannot. Fighting for liberty with ideas makes more sense to me than fighting with guns or politics or political power. With ideas, we can make real change that lasts.”
- Ron Paul, Liberty Defined: The 50 Urgent Issues That Affect Our Freedom
“Under the United States Constitution, the federal government has no authority to hold states “accountable” for their education performance…In the free society envisioned by the founders, schools are held accountable to parents, not federal bureaucrats.”
- Ron Paul
“I’m convinced that you never have to give up liberties to be safe. I think you’re less safe when you give up your liberties.”
- Ron Paul
“Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. Liberty has meaning only if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government security blanket beckons.”
- Ron Paul
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.”
- Ron Paul, The Revolution: A Manifesto
“Mr. Speaker, I once again find myself compelled to vote against the annual budget resolution for a very simple reason: it makes government bigger.”
- Ron Paul
“The most basic principle to being a free American is the notion that we as individuals are responsible for our own lives and decisions. We do not have the right to rob our neighbors to make up for our mistakes, neither does our neighbor have any right to tell us how to live, so long as we aren’t infringing on their rights. Freedom to make bad decisions is inherent in the freedom to make good ones. If we are only free to make good decisions, we are not really free.”
- Ron Paul
“Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.”
- Ron Paul
“Failure of government programs prompts more determined effort, while the loss of liberty is ignored or rationalized away…whether is it is the war on poverty, drugs, terrorism…or the current Hitler of the day, an appeal to patriotism is used to convince the people that a little sacrifice of liberty, here or there, is a small price to pay…The results, though, are frightening and will soon become even more so.”
- Ron Paul
“When the federal government spends more each year than it collects in tax revenues, it has three choices: It can raise taxes, print money, or borrow money. While these actions may benefit politicians, all three options are bad for average Americans.”
- Ron Paul
“A system of capitalism presumes sound money, not fiat money manipulated by a central bank. Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts and interest rates that are determined by savings, not credit creation by a central bank.”
- Ron Paul
“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
- Ron Paul
“The original American patriots were those individuals brave enough to resist with force the oppressive power of King George…Patriotism is more closely linked to dissent than it is to conformity and a blind desire for safety and security.”
- Ron Paul
“As many frustrated Americans who have joined the Tea Party realize, we cannot stand against big government at home while supporting it abroad. We cannot talk about fiscal responsibility while spending trillions on occupying and bullying the rest of the world. We cannot talk about the budget deficit and spiraling domestic spending without looking at the costs of maintaining an American empire of more than 700 military bases in more than 120 foreign countries. We cannot pat ourselves on the back for cutting a few thousand dollars from a nature preserve or an inner-city swimming pool at home while turning a blind eye to a Pentagon budget that nearly equals those of the rest of the world combined.”
- Ron Paul
“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”
“A citizen walking through the airport today is bombarded with 1984-style propaganda messages that are designed to make us fear some amorphous threat and also be suspicious of others. The government designs these messages to make us feel dependent and heavily lorded over in every aspect of our lives. These messages are becoming ever more pervasive, hitting us even in grocery stores when we are shopping.”
- Ron Paul, Liberty Defined: The 50 Urgent Issues That Affect Our Freedom
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With overwhelming crowd support the Gold medal in the Ad Hominem attack 100 yard dash goes to..... Kato.
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LOL
I think he is holding down the Shift key with one finger while pecking away at the rest of the keyboard with another.
I think he is holding his penis in one hand and typing with the other.
Unfortunately, for all of us, his much vaunted 170 I.Q. is located in the tip of said penis, and he is gripping it too tightly.
LuLz
Send money to the RP campaign and maybe that will put him over the top.
Kato, are you that squirrelly guy from the OJ trial?
NAACP and Farrakhan: "Paul not racist"
Farrakhan's statement is here (Youtube).
NAACP statement is here (YouTube).
Cynthia McKinney does not consider Ron Paul racist.
However, Bank of America admitted it is racist and got a slapped a fine for it.
Obama called Clinton a racist (YouTube).
Institutional accusations of racism is a scam to foster racism and bend our will.
I gave McCain and Palin $1500 in 2008. For me, that's a lot of money. Then I woke up. Four years later, I thank God 'troops on the ground' McCain is not president, and would vote for Farakhan over McCain in a heartbeat.
==============FUCK THE FED===================
==============FUCK KATO=====================
at least they are heterosexual nutjobs, unlike you asshole. Oh, sorry Mr. President.
CNN has released the unedited interview. Ron Paul DID NOT STORM out. It was a creative editing HIT JOB!
http://www.dailypaul.com/196334/cnn-released-unedited-interview-ron-paul-did-not-storm-out-it-was-a-creative-editing-hit-job
*****************UNBELIEVABLE*******************
Ron Paul did not walk/storm out... the interview was over... it was an EIGHT MINUTE INTERVIEW!!
THIS WAS A CREATIVE EDITING HIT JOB
CNN Just released the unedited full interview here, see for your self.
The R3VOLUTION is here!!!
It's no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the cancellation of Knight Rider.
and Happy Days.
...and Green Acres.
your avatar reminds me, Kraft is looking for fat rich kids to test market a dangerously hot Kimchi drenched in liquerer
RP again ... this is campaign adv!
Tyler did you charge for this?
Get a dictionary. Look up endorsement and advertising. You may be surprised to find that they are two completely different words. Free speech and petitioning for the redress of wrongs, bitchez!
What is interesting to me is the monomanical adoration of this idiot savant. As always, the case of the IS something is right. Just a question of true believers interpretation. His stand the Fed is right on. Otherwise.....
Oh, dictionaries are good for EST grads.
Ad hominem attacks are so persuasive that you just might convince me, asshole.
Point, Crockett. 1-0
The fact is Most of Ron Paul supporters don't agree with him on everything they just want someone with integrity and who Votes for the Constitution and sides with the Bill of Rights.
Post of the day. It's funny how often I have read from RP detractors that they often agree with much of what he stands for, but because of his views on one particular issue, they won't vote for him. I wonder just how many Americans are one issue voters. I got a feeling it's more than I want to know.
well, I understand your point, but I'm guessing you're male?
because on the issue of female body sovereignty, that's a rather big issue. . . for the females.
your mind works in mysterious ways -- such that actions are the defribrillators of dreams - or in your 'funk & wagnalls' world,... nightmares
So no fed, but
Ongoing imperialism, increasing police state tactics, crony capitalism, total centralization of power in DC - that's all good to you? Wake up and smell the coming collapse.
It has been said, author unknown to me, that the difference between someone in marketing and a political activitist is that in marketing someone has to pay for the ad to be distributed, but political activists volunteer to do it for free.
My guess is that while making Federal Reserve Notes is the goal of many on this site, a true push for freedom and liberty is in everyone's, including this unknown Tyler dude, best interests.
Yes, Tyler, please put up a story documenting Romney's ties to the Stanford Ponzi, or Gingrich's pocketed funds from Freddie Mac. I'd like to hear more from the corrupt candidates.
RP has the right ideas... I just don't think he's the right leader.
But then again... nobody up for election is so I'm going to vote for him anyways.
Ron Paul does not intend to lead, he intends to administer according to the Constitution.
I understand and respect your point of view.
It is my opnion however that the sheeple need a leader so much that they will always have one... they demand it and society(banks/gov/media) will supply it.
I believe in ron pauls message.. but the awakening of the masses is often a violent affair.... someone needs to be an example... If I was 35... I'd be running myself.
It's not up to you to determine who is a sheep and who is not.
In what may be a fuitle effort here.. I'm not saying who is and who isn't...
I'm saying that they exist and they demand a leader.
Ron paul is willing to take the reigns off... but the people will find a leader and will be dissapointed when it's not him.
It's a step in the right direction so I'm going to support him... I just wonder about the next step is all.
The people have been indoctrinated to believe that the government has their best interests in mind and that only government can solve their problems. Ron Paul wants to walk this back slowly and deliberately.
For once we are in agreement.
But just because Ron Paul is elected... doesn't mean humanity is going to change.
That's all I'm saying.
I just think Paul is the first step on a long jorney... not the final solution.
"I HEARTILY ACCEPT the motto, — "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, — "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have...
But, to speak practically and as a citizen, unlike those who call themselves no-government men, I ask for, not at once no government, but at once a better government. Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect, and that will be one step toward obtaining it." -- Thoreau's Civil Disobedience
People usually end up with exactly what they deserve, and I fear this is true for US citizens. The fact that someone like Obama could be nominated, let alone elected, speaks volumes for the mentality of many US citizens. It's like you mentioned, as a nation we have come to believe that more laws is the solution and each time the noose becomes tighter under the illusion of freedom and justice.
I think RP is a step in the right direction and if he were to be elected it would show an awaking of the people. I'll guarantee you though, as his popularity grows sly wo does his chances of assaination. I certainly admire his courage and it is exacty what we need. Will the people recognize it is the question.
fatalist,... need not apply
When Ron Paul is elected, you can be a leader. Go start a comany or community organization, show the people what can be done with their new-found freedom. The awakening need not be violent.
What is going to be interesting to see is if Ron wins one caucus after the next, how many House politicians fighting for a seat, or trying to keep it, actually start adopting their own election campaigns and try to hitch themselves onto the RP bandwagon.
hey! maybe that jesus guy will make a comeback and lead all the dumbfucks in america! i'd still vote for ron paul though.
Endurus:
Some people may need leaders, but the leader does not ahve to be POTUS.
I mean right now we don't even have a POTUS, we have a TOTUS.
Couldn't agree more Sixpack! +1
#Crockett - Thank you!
We shall overcome, my friend.
god, i hope so. i'd just like to, just once, for 4 years or 8, live free. it'd be nice.
brilliant point. We have pulled so far from the principles in those documents that we have forgotten that truth. We do not need a "leader." We need to lead ourselves out of this desperate, criminal, immoral mess. He deserves the position because and only because he emodies that
You mis-understand... I'm not saying we need a leader... I'm saying that society demands one. HUGE difference.
The sheeple will get one whether we here like it or not.
Like it or not.. it's our culture... our society that is to blame for all our problems... not Obama.. not the banks.... not corporate..
It's demand... society demanded.. they supplied. This is the hangover from the woodstock generation... 40 years later.
Uhhhh... no it isn't.
You could just as well make your argument that "society demands" a leader all the way back to Washington and Lincoln, if you really want to hammer the point.
What you really can't to is claim that this is "hangover effect" from just one generation. Heck, one could equally make the claim that society demanded that Frankin D. Roosevelt create all the wonderful social safety nets (of which many we still have in place today)-- and probably make a more salient point.
Of course, no one in their right minds would pin all of our problems on our Greatest generation.
Our society pulls and tugs between seeking leaders that endorse "government solutions" to all our problems, and those that work to "enhance our individual freedoms". Of course, these trends lie on continuums, and the lever can be pushed and pulled independently between social economic policies. Unfortunatately, our society has endorsed government intervention to such an extreme, that leaders are using it against the very people who elect them. As a result, both our economic freedoms and social freedoms are being taken away-- and the people (finally) are not totally ignoring it.
We are entering a new era, folks. And society will demand it.
The woodstock crowd the best generation?
How about 1776..... When free thought and inaliable rights were pushed to such an extreme we had to create a new country to cope with it!
And as for the new era... I hope your right. I hope the times are a changin....
Endurus just so you know I, for one, am reading all your posts and completely respect what you are saying; without agreeing on all of it. You are getting a bit of a bad rap so I thought I'd let you know that I appreciate your attempt to navigate a difficult topic, as both a personal issue and as a national topic.
These are not things to be taken lightly, although most people do. Keep your head up and believe what you will as long as you are awake enough to be thinking outside of the "cloud" of mainstream bipartisan demagoguery.
Its often stated that americans "get the government they deserve" or "vote for people just as or more disfunctional as them"
Mitt Romney again afirms that he wont release his tax returns.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20111223/business/712239813/
If you are a private citizen, I guess it is okay to not want people to know how you navigated the opressive tax code. But if you are running for public office, with access to the nations secrets, with the ability to send troops to die. with the power to detain and execute citizens without a trial. why would anyone vote for a person who is not willing to show how they made a living? This is biblical type stuff. And not the parts of the bible about the good people.
Mitt's a Mormon, and they're big on the Freemason secret symbology, keeping stuff hidden unless you can follow the "teachings' to their satisfaction, and get a free pass to the temple. . .
I doubt "they" would let him be elected, but y'never know. . . same side, different team kind of thing. . . everyone pulls for the Zion, even tho' they might define it differently. . .(Illinois vs. Israel)
but i need the government to tell me what to eat, wear, how to behave, breathe, sleep and when to die!
sounds like we are now on the same page with my tone +1
good dog, here's biscuit
Perfect!
He's going to be the best Repeal President we've ever had.
Send money to support RP.
CrockettAlmanac.com
he intends to administer according to the Constitution.
Crockett,half the fkrs on this site hate the Constitution, and are Progressives,Marxists,Fascists, and Commies.
I seriously doubt 50% have ever READ the Documents,Seriously.
you left off "trolls" - the default name calling word when someone has a differing opinion to yours. . .
oh, and for you, "Islamists" - lots o'them here too. . .
well aren't you the special one,...
I liked Ron Paul's quote "We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational"
Now that's Presidential Material....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/video-surfaces-ron-paul-talking-racist-newsletters-1995-earlier-knew-article-1.995876#ixzz1hNocTkA1
I think that the people most frightened of black men are other black men, which is highly rational when you consider that they are most likely to be murdered by black men.
There is no such thing as a white man - their are only paler versions of black men.
Lincoln could have prevented this had he simply spent our treasure to buy the freedom of the slaves. Instead he chose to enrich the War Usury's counting rooms with the blood stained treasure of a civil war.
The whole black-white-christian-muslim-jew paradigm is nothing more than an attempt by the Wat Usury to divide us up into small manageable groups of similar fear-comfort apostles.
Racial and cultural fear is a Skinarian contrivance to control our will and behavior, period.
Lincoln's goal, as stated in his first inaugural address, was not to end slavery. He said that the South could keep their slaves if they wished. But he said he would go to war to keep the tariff money from Southern ports flowing to Washington.
"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so....
There is much controversy about the delivering up of fugitives from service or labor. The clause I now read is as plainly written in the Constitution as any other of its provisions:
No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall in consequence of any law or regulation therein be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due...
I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution -- which amendment, however, I have not seen -- has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose not to speak of particular amendments so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable...
In doing this there needs to be no bloodshed or violence, and there shall be none unless it be forced upon the national authority. The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere." Lincoln's Inaugural Address, 1861.
Lincoln's goal, as stated in his first inaugural address, was not to end slavery.
Understood, but the popular mythology is that the civil war was a war to end slavery. The founders, though they were, for the most part, vested in the economics of slavery, were said to have struggled with the issue.
The market would have eventually ended slavery through international boycotts and tariffs and other kinds of sanctions. The slaves moved from working for their board and free time to working as dollar slaves in northern factories so they could use the dollars to pay for their board.
But he said he would go to war to keep the tariff money from Southern ports flowing to Washington.
Did the south stop depositing the federal portion of collected tariffs in federal accounts?
The history of the civil war did not begin with Lincoln's threats. There is a history of issues. There is not a single isolated demarcating event that gave cause to that war or any war, for that matter, because war racketeers have no moral limits.
It looks an awful lot lot a plot line from a "B" movie about fights in a prison yard: One inmate steps on another inmate's foot. The inmate on the receiving end of the "stomp" lurches forward in pain. The inmate that initiated it looks around and asks nearby witnesses, "Did you see him attack me?" - and then the fight begins.
Understanding that nothing happens in a vacuum Not speaking to the "technicalities" leading up to the war. Speaking only to the popular myths surrounding the causes and justification for the war.
There are black scholars who argue that Lincoln was a devout racist.
So far as Lincoln's overt racism, let us go right to the horse's mouth as it were, and find out what the great emancipator said himself. In the Lincoln-Douglas debates, which took place in 1858, while debating in Ottowa, Illinois on August 21st of that year, Mr. Lincoln stated, quite plainly, that: "I have no disposition to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which in my judgment will probably forever forbid their living together on terms of respect, social and political equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there should be a superiority somewhere, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position;"
Black Main Stream Carney Barkers seem to find it easy to disclaim Dr Paul as a racist. However, the elder statesmen of the Black movement, like NOI's Farrakhan, Cynthia McKinney and the president of the NAACP support Ron Paul. That's the point hoping to be made.
Ben Stein called Dr Paul an antisemitic, on CNN, for suggesting the best thing America could do for Israel is stop support Israel's expansion into Palestine. Racism exists only in the minds of those that exploit it.
Politicians are not elected to be leaders. There are elected to follow their employers' instructions. Their employers are us - you - me - everybody that lives in - creates and maintains the complex infrastructure that feeds the vampires inside the stagnant sewer moat of the main stream that connects wall street to DC.
Dunno where theis notion that "politicians are our leaders" came from but it has got to stop.
They may think they're leaders. They may pretend they're leaders, like when they failed to execute the demands of 80-fucking-plus-percent of their employers' (that'd be us) instructions to not go forward with the bank bailout and against 60%
Even the president is not a leader. He is an employee of the people, for the people and by the people - and nothing more.
All government workers at all levels of government, including elected officials, are nothing more than the employees of the people - sheesh - when will the muggles finally connect the fucking dots.
The attraction of Ron Paul's being employed, by us, his leaders, as CEO is that with nothing more than a pen, he can undo everything from our Secret KGB agencies like DHS, and the entire apparatus of empire that infects this moment.
Who are the leaders of the republic - it's those fucking faces we see in the mirror every morning you dweeb-o-nauts - accept it - move beyond it - and take your contractually assigned powers back.
Allow your humble narrator to suggest that many of us need a refresher course in the contractual obligations as set forth by the constitution, with the understanding that we may have crossed the Rubicon and now need to weigh our obligations as defined in the preamble, the "Declaration of Independence".
Wake up twits - it's you - not them - that is supposed to hold the reins of powers - the elected political class are just mules whose only job is to respond to the pressure of the bit and the crack of the whip.
Politicians are "leaders"? That is the most laughable assertion of disinformation ever inserted into the commons - DOUBLE EVER!
I have two disagreements with Paul. One is the invasion of Afghanistan. Even Judge Andrew Napolitano had failed to correct the editors of Reason Magazine on this issue: The principals governing extradition instruct that before a state can demand the extradition of criminal suspects, the state must offer evidence to the counter party that the "suspect" actually committed a crime. The FBI has stated they did not have the evidence to formally indict Bin Ladden for the crime of 911.
The other is Dr. Paul has not been clear as to his position in prosecuting the employees in government that prosecuted the sundry list of war crimes, extoartion and fraud that underly this whole war on terror turd in a bucket.
Nonetheless - he is the only one that can prevent a most violent revolution. I'd prefer a civil constitutional justice - the only alternative is the justice Mussolini and his cohorts and their family members received as slow dying piss spittoons hanging by their ankles from the cherry trees lining the monument's mall then so be it - painful death is preferrable to a comfortable death with the knowledge our children, our legacy, will be whores for the pleasures of the main stream vampires.
Our ancestors turn in their graves at what we are allowing to continue.
People posting here get it. They're not our leaders, they're our controllers, and they use violence and the threat of prison rape to get us to do what they order. That's not leadership. A leader is someone like Paul who says, "you are being used, and I won't stand for it. Join with me to fight this tyranny."
Notice how Obama and the neocon candidates talk a lot about controlling the police state? Me neither. Even mentioning it sets their eyes to rolling, and their fingers dialing for the men in white jackets. "What? The sun _does not_ rise in the east. Someone please beat and rape that radical nut job."
“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”
And on top of that they have turned the sheople into a flock of military-worshipping, patriotic morons. Just like most other religions, the religion of patriotism keep people from thinking critically while allowing the leaders to manipulate them.
Opiate of the masses, itz.
It's not Patriotism it's Nationalism.
Fortunately, I don't think blind patriotism is that strong right now. 20 years of war have soured that. Under Reagan it was much more intense.
Guy a work with (navy vet) about 34 yrs old last week. (Paraphrasing here) "Ron Paul is unelectable, he is a nut and farther right than any canidate, we cannot be isolationist...Iran is going to get a nu-kue-lar weapon...we took the role of world police after WWII...Santorum has the right idea...blah blah blah."
I listen, let him spew forth his opinions, and when I attempt to refute, I am interupted; because he was in the Navy, and he knows better than I. He was a hardcore Hopey supporter, now regrets voting for him; again, ignored my opinions on Dr.Paul in 08.
The blind Patriotism is still there and it saddens me that this is coming from someone from my generation (I'm 30). So I hope you are correct, but my gut tells me something else.
Oh yeah, Tamales for X-mas bitchez. Hope you all enjoy time with family, friends, pets, realdolls, etc.
I was a Marine for 10 years. I'll be happy to argue with him. Semper Fi!
It's due to the MSM
One of the jewpapers in England never mentions Ron Paul until this bullshit comes out , what chance the unquestioning mind have?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8976403/US-Electio...
U can usually post comments but that's been disabled on this article.
You can clearly see the MSM manipulation when u look.
That's why Ron Paul has got it all to do,as soon as he gets popular the thoughtpolice mobilise
i suspect that most Americans support the individuals within the military which is not exactly the same as "worshipping the military" as you put it.
Citizens Dildo!
i love you ron paul!!!
"Modern libertarianism is the disguise adopted by those who wish to exploit without restraint. It pretends that only the state intrudes on our liberties. It ignores the role of banks, corporations and the rich in making us less free. It denies the need for the state to curb them in order to protect the freedoms of weaker people. This bastardised, one-eyed philosophy is a con trick, whose promoters attempt to wrongfoot justice by pitching it against liberty. By this means they have turned "freedom" into an instrument of oppression".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/19/bastardised-libertarianism-makes-freedom-oppression?INTCMP=SRCH
Only the state has a monopoly on violence. Banks can't shoot you and then claim it was your fault.
There are other forms of violence which does not involve shooting....
One can attempt to protect oneself and one's family from criminal violence. One can not protect oneself against government violence which is by definition lawful and in practice overwhelming.
The violence that you are talking about is because the state has been taken over by corporates, banks and the rich....
Getting rid of the state is exactly what these guys want....
If getting rid of the state is what corporations want then why do then consistently lobby for bigger government and a bigger slice of the pie for themselves? The rich can lobby the government for wars and bailouts but what do you think would happen if they had to ask us each individually if we'd like to bail out their banks or die for their oil?
in 2008 when there was a bailout...and if banks had asked people individually whether to bail the banks out...what do you think the response would be? The people would have said yes...thats what Obama did...he fell into the marketing machinery of these corporations.
Tomorrow when the same banks and corporations ask you for something, do you think they wont create a correpsonding fear first....so that you choose appropriately?
People are essentially good and want to help others...and this can be easily manipulated. The word Liberty is being thrown around as if it was something new. Liberty without responsibility is useless.
A free market econonmy without a complete reset of the system will only trigger a massive oppressive rule by the corporations...
Ninety-nine percent of Americans opposed TARP. Try again.
The majority of people said no to bailouts and Obama did it anyway...because Paulson and Geethner and Bernokandonk terrorized the financial system with "collapse."
"People are essentially good and want to help others..."
I call bullshit.
And lets not forget the "need" for a bigger military, which incidentally is charged with the task of keeping us free from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. The only problem is the military is owned and operated by the State, and those who do not agree with the State are its enemies. Domestic enemies. Terrorists even.
No corporations want FAVORS from the state so it suits them to OWN the state and give it MORE power to benefit them solely. If the state had only the powers given to it, which includes punishing unlawfulness and protecting the Rule of Law, which clearly it hasn't or haven't you noticed nobody that robbed billions is in jail and people are being jailed for complaining about it, then the corporations would not want have the incentive to own the politicians.
If they took over the state why would they want to get rid of it?
another good point, violence is just another area of imminent domain. They not only define when and who, they define what it is. for cops, citizens, soldiers, and terrorists. Notice now, they are equivocating violence with speech. Orwell act one.
"Modern libertarianism is the disguise adopted by those who wish to exploit without restraint."
You betray yourself in the first sentence in calling for 'restraint,' as in restraint on liberty. As you ponder this, perhaps think of the last time a bank forced you to be a customer, a company compelled you to make a purchase, or any non-govt entity confiscated your earnings, bankrupted your children or sent you to war.
All these activities have been forced down our throat.....am surprised you still cant see through the illusions of choice...
"think of the last time a bank forced you to be a customer, a company compelled you to make a purchase, or any non-govt entity confiscated your earnings"
you mean the time my income is taken from me by the government, and then passed into the coffers of GE to buy wind turbines (and as side benefit GE gets a tax break allowing them to pay no taxes on obscene profits). is that what you're referring to?
No ...actually i am talking about something different...
The rules set by the corporates, rich and banks are not written down rules like the state...they use their media and marketing arms to create a rule....often accepted by people in general...without questioning.
this is much worse..
So you are blaming people for not using their own minds to RESEARCH and help themselves? Caveat emptor and all. That should be the first thing taught in school. Because people are too foolish to be cautious you want everyone to be punished. It would seem that you are smarter than everyone and knows what's best for them right? You should be the one to tell them what to do. You are a defender of intellectual laziness and would have people continue down a path of the same instead of learning that there are no free rides and nobody, including if not especially government, is out to help you before they help themselves.
And will corporations have more power or less power to shape us under a Paul administration? Less. They'll be too busy defending their market shares once Paul removes the govt. teat from their mouths.
try renting a car - getting an airplane reservation - separate form of ID - not having a saving/checking account to establish credit
man,... i loved the day when i did everything with cash
so Doom, let me get this straight. the 75,000 pages of rules and regulations in the federal register, placed there by unelected bureaucrats, actually make us MORE free, right? what a crock of shit.
Not denying the role of the state at all..
but the banks , corporations and rich are a worse disease than the state.....you should have realised that by now.
The banks, corporations and the state, as they are now, are all part of the same organism that is eating away at the people.
I agree....so the first thing from my point of view is not to target the state...
but cut off the parasites that are leeching on to the state and using them as private goons...
Do you have reading comprehension problems? I did not say there were parasites. I said they were part of the same organism.
A world in which corporate titans run amok versus a world of government run amok are not the only options. Paul would hit the reset button on our overbloated governmnent and I support him for that, but the idea that the Jamie Dimons of the world will be neutralized by the "free market" is unicorn and rainbow thinking. Ask the African slaves what they thought of the free market slave economy.
exactly...
Ron Paul does not take some factors into account such as there is nothing like a free market....people who get rich hate to lose the money and they will do anything in their power to maintain it. Typically they start networking and creating a barrier ( of law, of procedures) for new entrants into the market. They will prevent new technology...( this has already happened)
RP seems to suggest everything will be fine as there will be a free market...unfortunately it will not be fine...it will get worse.
He is NOT against lawlessness which is disctinctly different than less regulations. Rule of Law and justice FIRST or there can be no free markets. You are demagoguing.
He's not naive, he knows they will fight. Read your own post again - it's actually one of the strongest arguments for supporting him.
Still clueless on how the free market works, eh LTER? Keep reading & learning....eventually it'll sink in.
The fact that I disagree with you does not imply that I haven't done enough reading. I would say the opposite is true, yet notice how my assertion is equally unpersuasive to you. The free market solution to all of the world's problems exists in the world of unicorns. Mankind is not capable of playing fair and there will always be those who cheat and bribe. If Jamie Dimon can buy the government, why wouldn't he also buy those who implement the "rule of law" in your utopian society? Which perfect human beings will oversee the free market and ensure that everyone is properly governed by the rule of law in your vision of reality? The fact that you wish to debate which of us has done more reading rather than the merits, says all that needs to be said.
d&b:
The federal gov is much too big, bloated, and corrupt at the top. We need a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Ron Paul is both, but in the 4-8 years he will have, he will act more as a constitutionalist than a libertarian. Congress does not get replaced overnight (but the executive can), and will curb his libertarian influences.
I think it is time for the pendulum to swing back the other direction for a little while. Politics is alway playing left vs. right (Repub pres, Dem congress, Dem Pres, Repub congress, etc.). Unfortunately the two main parties are so close that the gap accomplishes nothing. We need to increae the gap, and Ron Paul is a large gap.
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Why can't he be this articulate during the debates?
One tends to speak in a style which is different from the style used when one writes. For example, I probably would have spoken that line differently than I wrote it.
He's never given the chance.
when your moderator ask [ron paul] you,... but one question -- at most it is loaded by the msm and extraneous in opinion to the current, and pressing events at hand -- often, if not always inconsequential, and of measured anachronistic parlance
ron paul is above the dialectic rhetoric, but methodically weened [msm] off the sounding-board -- resonating such, that of a concerted discourse, analogous to that of a "flowering rose', in a patch of weeds"
all but a discerning audience knows of his beauty within, and his empirical wisdom, and knowledge that thorns his adversaries to wallow atop arid grounds
Go listen to his speeches on the congress floor. It's hard to answer deep, complex and difficult questions in 30 seconds.
Ron Paul should not be punished for being a poor soundbyte artist...conversely he should be applauded for not being just another empty soundbyte politician.
westbound
Why can't he be this articulate during the debates?
How?, when he gets a 1/100th the exposure and time?.
GW Jr,signed onto Romney,NOW we knew NO FRACKING way.
I am voting Paul,even if it puts Kenyan Boy back in...................(The POTUS from Golfing Land).
For once in your life VOTE for who is BEST for the job,win/lose/or draw.
The Ron Paul Portfolio
Yes, about 21% of Rep. Paul’s holdings are in real estate and roughly 14% in cash. But he owns no bonds or bond funds and has only 0.1% in stock funds. Furthermore, the stock funds that Rep. Paul does own are all “short,” or make bets against, U.S. stocks. One is a “double inverse” fund that, on a daily basis, goes up twice as much as its stock benchmark goes down.
The remainder of Rep. Paul’s portfolio – fully 64% of his assets – is entirely in gold and silver mining stocks.
http://blogs.wsj.com/totalreturn/2011/12/21/the-ron-paul-portfolio/
Wow! Practicing what he preaches without hiding. Strange. I know of no other politican like this.
If I were buying ounces of gold for $35 like he was decades ago...one can only dream.
I'd like to see his birth certificate, military records, college transcripts and travel history. Probably could get them in 5 minutes.
a presidential hopeful short the stock market, well goll-ee he may as well be an atheist too
Ron Paul 2012
Truly Presidential! Obumma has no capacity to write such prolific words!
obama and his 'ghost writer[s]', anonymous!
they can't write, period!
pathetic bunch!!!
“If Sparta and Rome perished”, asked Rousseau in his Social Contract, “how can any state hope to live for ever?”
I have a new sign in my yard I painted.
Try Civil Disobedience. Support Ron Paul.
it's going to be a full on assault on RP by all corporate media. no holds barred, eye gouging and biting will be allowed.
It'll be interesting to see how the media assault will impact his numbers, Because obviously his support obviously wasn't built by these news organizations that are attacking him.
It already is. They're going to nonstop beat him into the ground on the newsletter thing. They are representing as "isolationist" a foreign policy position that repudiates preemptive war. They're going to attack him in every imaginable way, and his candidacy won't be able to withstand it. Then they'll pat themselves on the back as to how their predictions that he was unelectable were correct.
Pretty much.
The sheep have a Freudian love for the sound of a howl - "Dr. Paul can't be so goody-goody. He must be up to something."
Can I plez go back to mindless chewing!
I worry about him. If he ever gets real serious traction the powers that be won't be happy. Maybe he should just go with platitudes like "hope and change" instead of actually having ideals like freedom, individual responsability , and smaller government.
"If he ever gets real serious traction the powers that be won't be happy."
Umm have you seen the news lately?
Yes I follow his campaign closely and I am a supporter. That's why I worry about him. I am talking about on a national level. Right now they are trying to put a stop to his message.
The stopping the message phase was the previous 6 months of ignoring he had a message. I think we are well into the destroy the individual phase now.
This clip is not stopping the message. This is pure ad hominem character assassination. http://nation.foxnews.com/ron-paul/2011/12/22/tucker-carlson-ron-paul-gop-should-ask-themselves-why-does-70-ish-weird-guy-have-all-support
"There's a percentage of this country that is crazy, and crazy people have somewhere to go with Ron Paul."
"His eyebrows are funny, but the rest of him, legit."
"I think a lot of people enjoy racist newsletters...it's an under-served market Tucker."
"Actually I made my little joke."
"They are actually called "My Racist Newsletters."
"I like the backwards R in Racist makes it cute."
fuu,
"There's a percentage of this country that is crazy, and crazy people have somewhere to go with Ron Paul."
I always find humor in the fact that folks like Tucker, never, ever, think THEY are the percentage of that of which they speak.
Give a Bitch a high dollar job, a fancy car, and a trophy Ho,and it's amazing how much more intelligent and different THEY THINK THEY ARE.
I agree. Oddly enough I thought Tucker was the most honest one on the stage.
“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”
What the hell is he talking about? This is like saying "if a tree falls in the forest and Ron paul isn't around to see it, it didn't happen". Wars have been going on for eternity and probably much more frequently than the 20th century. You wanna see war?
The conquistadors killed people, enslaved the ones who were still alive and then made them dig up silver which then financed more killing. (and inflated the shit out of spanish $ eventually)
I won't bother to look up the quote but a member of the Fed recently said that WWI wouldn't have been possible without the Fed.
When a society uses sound money instead of printed fiat taxes must be raised in order to go to war. Ask folks if they want to pay out of pocket to kill innocent civilians overseas and see how many takers you get.
Uhhh, yeah, there were plenty of wars before central banking. Humanity found a way to kill and maim just fine before Helicopter Ben.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_1800%E2%80%931899
No one said that there were no wars at all before the creation of the Fed. Please review the material and try again. Also note that only one make-up exam will be permitted.
not true, countries have been borrowing $$ to finance wars for eons. You either win and rape and pillage to pay your debt down or you lose and your citizens get raped and pillaged. Or you forcibly tax your citizens after the war or a combination of both, none of which have anything to do with central banks.
Central banks exist so that credit can be created on the fly. And you claim that that has no relationship to creating the massive credit needed to wage world war.
my point is RP's premise is wrong. There were plenty of other easy ways to wage war prior to 20th century. Namely borrowing, stealing, and killing. All three worked out quite fine.
But fiat currency doesn't have to be borrowed or stolen in the strictest sense. Are you seriously contending that the creation of credit is not made much easier when money can simply be printed out of thin air and traded to the government for treasury notes which are created out of thin air?
Right Crockett it's not that they didn't exist it's that they are too easily engaged now. Far easier than the Consitution is supposed to allow on top of the money that should prevent them which compounds the issue. How many wars were there before the last century by the US? And now they are all too common for children to be born during one, or two, or three before they're in their 20s.
Right Crockett it's not that they didn't exist it's that they are too easily engaged now. Far easier than the Consitution is supposed to allow on top of the money that should prevent them which compounds the issue. How many wars were there before the last century by the US? And now they are all too common for children to be born during one, or two, or three before they're in their 20s.
Yeah but...
Conquistadors were soooo 15th Century.
We're now in the 20th Century. The Century of enlightenment and knowledge. Life is now fair!!
Some Conquistadores cut the vaginas off Indio women they killed in battle, and stretched them over the top of their helmets to frighten the next batch of Indios. In addition, they were not a government army nor government soldiers. They were privateers, businessmen or soldiers of fortune working under the profit motive. No stealing, no profit. It was that simple.
Ergo- this means the german helmet represents.....
Sounds like they had to pay for their war machine.
Not like some I know.
drivenZ
In your youthful ignorance you missed the entire point.
Back to the books for you.