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Rand Paul Detained In Nashville For Refusing Full Body Pat Down
The political news on this slowish Monday morning comes courtesy of the TSA and those who object to their policies, such as in this case Senator Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul, who has just been detained for refusing a full body pat down. This should teach Rand Paul to not accept Wall Street (and/or Warren Buffett) donations of free NetJets hours.
Source: Ron Paul twitter account
Bloomberg has some more:
- Irregularities during screening must be resolved before passenger can proceed to secure area of airport, TSA says
- Paul underwent screening by millimeter wave imaging technology; targeted pat down is procedure for resolving alarms from scan, TSA says
- Paul tells AP he was “detained” in a small cubicle, missed his flight to Washington, situation reflects concern TSA shouldn’t be “spending so much time with people who wouldn’t attack us”
From Reuters:
Republican Senator Rand Paul, son of presidential candidate Ron Paul, was detained on Monday by security officials at an airport in Nashville, Tennessee, an aide said.
Press secretary Moira Bagley wrote in a Twitter message that the senator told her at 10 a.m. EST, that he was being "detained by TSA (Transportation Security Administration) in Nashville."
Ron Paul, a congressman and Republican presidential hopeful, tweeted that his son was being detained for refusing a full-body pat-down "after anomaly in body scanner."
Something tells us the TSA budget is about to be severely curtailed...
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Nut crackers suite in Nashville, as Saint PAul says, "thou shalt not touch my jewels. They be God given...".
Will it create a taser laser TSA revolution?
Remember that country where you were innocent till proven guilty? Well big government jackbooted thug DHS has decided that your guilty and must prove your innocence. bastards!
How dare you oppose DHS!
http://www.dhs.gov/index.shtm
DHS : Preserving our freedoms, Protecting America
I mean, they couldn't lie about their objective right? Or do they mean protecting the freedoms of the thug class and protecting America means protecting ``our corporate America``? Then they aren't lying.
This is clearly the Obama administration provocation. They are responsible for this. It is their people!
This will be interesting .. sort of a "Rosa Parks" event?
Doesn't this violate A1S6? Or does TSA not qualify being that they're not actually peace officers (and instead are simply government paid rent-a-cops?).
Rand's swinging pair of steel balls caught the TSA off guard.
Rand wanted to go straight to the happy ending.
For refusing the TSA ' Freedom Touch ' ?
I predict TSA is going to have future troubles in the Senate.
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I hope you are right. Defund them!
No you really can't make this stuff up. Next they'll try to Barney Frank him in the back room.
He'd go for it.
"Ooops! What ith dat vibwato doig in ma pockiet. Betta fwisk me!"
Hahahaha! Ahh... Hahahaha!
Good form, Mr Lennon!
good for rand paul and i pray for his safety from the skinhead nazi punks who will murder him for his insolence....rand is a hero and the only person in public america who can think to defy the rockefeller-mic-yale-cia totalitarian junta.....
this episode is one reason why i do not fly....
Unfortunately, the TSA now does roadblocks and bus-station checks. If you travel by horse, foot, or kayak, you will be free, but such unconventional modes of transport will also make you seem very suspicious.
Rand Paul is very brave. I pray for him, and hope Ron Paul becomes president.
"The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place." -United States Constitution, Article One, Section 6, Clause 1
Only terrorists insist on rules! Rules? The Constitution? It's just a god-damned piece of paper!
What's this Constitution thing you keep railing on about? It's only a piece of paper and I'm pretty sure it's been banned in the US...
We really do live in a Post-Constitutional Society....
Fuck this.
Anomaly in body scanner?
He should know er.. action pills are not recommended before flights.
Excuse me Mr. Paul will you kindly take a trip with us to Guantanamo? We have a few questions we'd like to ask you.
"anomaly in body" - a sneary face you want to punch is no reason to detain a man.
Anomaly In xRay Body Scanner On Rand Paul ?
...Do Gold Coins Block xRays ... :o)
Brass balls certainly do.
Everyone is a slave on the plantation even a DC Senator, everyone is guilty until groped innocent, er, proved innocent.
Article 1, Section 6
If he was a real Patriot he would look forward to these invasive security procedures with unbridled enthusiasm and prayer-filled thanks for the inpenetrable fortress-like security he enjoys in this utopian democratic paradise of ours...
Sometimes, when I see scary teenagers running around wearing their sweatshirt hoods over their heads and their pants below their ass, I run to the nearest airport and ask to be scanned by the TSA, just to bring on that uphoric feeling of warmth and serenity that can only come from the gloved hand of the uniformed person who is probably the low rent single parent of that scary hooded teenager...
:-|
You forgot the /sarc(off) /
Or
Please don't feed the Troll.
Look at the Paulites froth at the mouth....
This is what a false-flag looks like...
You guys are *so* predictable....
Freedom lovers angry at a loss of freedom? S~O PREDICTABLE.
Nope... the TSA is a fucking abomination...It was the result of letting the airlines take care of security and not doing it with any competence..... Bad plan and a bad outcome....
I only laugh at the reponse of the denizens of the Hedge at such an obvious false flag to give Daddy a bump going into Florida....
lolwat? You think the TSA is run by the airlines? Or are you saying the airlines took care of security before 9/11 (they didn't, that was the airports). In either event, you are blaming the victim.
Also, funny that you should call this a false flag, implying that the TSA agents that detained Rand were Paul operatives. Getting oneself arrested on purpose is not a false flag. It can be a political statement, sure, but a false flag is doing something to yourself and blaming it on someone else, not provoking someone else to do something to your advantage.
Are you really that thick???
All Rand has to do is refuse to enter the scanning machine and submit to the pat down.... you don't need any plants...
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I don't want to get into a pissing match, it was the airlines, as indicated here
http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/article_7d19ed26-893d-5fdb-ac53-4f554daa9a6e.html'
and here (admittedly wiki)
My point is airports/airlines doesn't matter, it was private industry with a profit motive that cut every corner on security pre 9/11...
Security pre-9/11 was the same category as "Risk Management at Investment Banks pre 2008"....
A "false flag" is when someone puts a flag from another country on their ship and then attacks someone (often their own ship) in order to make the attacked party retaliate against the nation who's flag they put up.
That is clearly not the case here. This is passive resistance.
Might as well claim that Ghandi or MLK were false flags. It just doesn't make any sense.
9/11 wasn't about poor security. Boxcutters were ALLOWED on planes. They changed that. That was all that had to be done. But instead we got anal rape security theater. This is 100% the fault of government. It has nothing to do with private security or profit motives.
You are really thick, in that you can only see what you want...
My point is that pre 9/11 you could take things on a plane (carry-on) that had no business being brought on a plane if you had any rational form of security... The airline execs did not care about security then as it was not going to provide revenue... So if boxcutters were indeed legal, (as were needle nose pliers and a host of other things like pocket knives) then somebody wasn't really thinking....
How many international flights (i.e. non domestic departure or arrival and non-domestic carrier) did you take pre 9/11? I took lots and and security was tighter, fairer and reasonable...
Do not create a strawman trying to frame me as a defender of TSA.... The TSA is the price America pays for having its head so far up its ass about airport security pre 9/11...
You imply that the TSA is justice wrought on America. This is foolishness. Collective punishment is a crime against humanity.
Nope... just desserts, especially when a proto-fascist administration was running the show...
Hey, I did not vote in the affirmative for the Patriot Act....
I thought I would dig this out for you....
98 U.S. senators for voted in favor of the US Patriot Act of 2001 (Senator Landrieu (D-LA) did not vote) Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin was the only senator who voted against the Patriot Act on October 24, of 2001.
89 U.S. senators who voted in favor of the March 2, 2006 Patriot Act Reauthorizing Act
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Byrd (D-WV)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Murray (D-WA)
Wyden (D-OR)
Inouye (D-HI) did not vote on the 2006 Patriot Act Renewal
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Moving on to the House
2001 Yea Nay NV
Republican 211 3 5
Democrat 145 62 4
Ind. 1 1 0
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2006 Yea Nay NV
Republican 214 13 3
Democrat 66 124 11
Ind. 0 1 0
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Yep... it is a left wing socialist conspiracy...
What are you implying with this post?
I don't recognize that there is a significant difference between the two parties.
And that doesn't change the fact that collective punishment is a crime against humanity. No group of people deserves punishment for the actions of the few, or even the majority. People deserve punishment for their own actions.
Take your issue up with a knee jerk reaction out of Congress...
And if you do not see a difference between the parties on the Patriot Act votes then your analytic skills are far worse than I ever imagined....
No fucking wonder you don't understand peak oil and global warming...
See ya... I am off to dinner..
Free cheap shot reply on the house....don't abuse it though..
Flak, are you stoned? WTF is the problem with boxcutters?
Just don't open the effing cockpit door.
Try getting anything "dubious" on an El Al flight....
I flew shortly after 9/11, had a very nice toiletry kit confiscated but I was told I could put it in an envelope and reclaim when I returned through O'Hare...
I returned to O'Hare and went to reclaim my kit... I was overwhelmed at the boxes of stuff confiscated. I asked if I could grab some stuff, and they said sure, it was going to a warehouse in AL anyway.. Boxes is an understatement, there must have been 40-50 bushels of stuff....
I walked off with a pocket full of Zippos, some brand new needle nose pliers, 4 or 5 expensive Swiss army knifes... I was amazed at the shit people would bring in with their carry on... hammers, tongs, baseball bats etc... and this is after 9/11 and the word was out that dubious items were on the kibosh...
I've had a few interesting flights in what we must call the "developing world". I've flown where a passenger carried on two truck spare tires. Another carried on a window-model air conditioning unit. Both were on puddle jumpers like Twin Otters and ATR-48s. I've seen lots and lots of swords, some ceremonial, some not. Years ago, where I was residing, a fellow on a Saudia flight, economy section, decided to brew his own cup of tea in the aisle. He lit up a small stove and began to boil water. The aircraft (L-1011 IIRC) went up in flames as it taxied for takeoff. Some passengers got off in time. Not all. The burned out hull was left sitting at the end of the Riyadh runway for six months or so.
dude, didn't you hear? CLIFF just TOLD YOU it was the airports, ok? All your pesky facts showing otherwise are hereby dismissed!
911 was preventable by locking cockpits like El Al has for 30 years.
Funny, because in every other thread, you are the one telling people to just beleive whatever you say because you "JUST TOLD YOU" something.
I never claimed to be perfect, or 100% correct on everything I have ever said. That's you. And you get super pissy whenever you are proven wrong. I suspect it is because you are trapped in the body of a 7 year old girl.
NB, virtually all the votes against the initial "USA Patriot Act", and it's various extensions, have come from the Democratic side of the isle.
Face reality, FoxNews junkies. The party of freedom is NOT the GOP.
It's not the Democratic Party either.
Uh-oh.
LOL. Awesome. You sound just like the Republican shills. You are all the same when it comes down to it.
Figure out that temperature thingie yet???
I had to fucking laugh at some of the most bat-shit ignorant posts I have ever seen here at the Hedge coming from you...
And go ahead, take a cheap shot with the last word...
http://www.businessinsider.com/breaking-rand-paul-has-been-detained-by-the-tsa-at-nashville-airport-2012-1
Down with Big Brother! Fight the Power!
..yet Corzine is still free.
That's because Corzine funneled the 1.2 billion to the right people.
not to the right people, from the right people.
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Jon Corzine: Biggest POS on Plant Earth.
Jon Corzine sued for RICO Violation by MF Customers. http://buswk.co/yrLYh9
Declaration of Independence :
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Time for a new declaration of independence from the feds. If the feds won't do it, time for counties to do it.
See ya in the reeducation camp
I'll be dead before they get me into a reeducation camp. Resistance is not futile :
The Gulag Archipelago.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? . . .”
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80,000,000 gun owners are waiting for you Nazis.
Molon labe.
what book is that from?
Those veryt words are deemed the "right to revolution". Amen. Amen.
already done...
http://republicfortheunitedstates.org
those fuckers ! (& i'm a little old lady who doesn't condone foul language ! ) there were NO BODY SCANNERS when I was growing up. there were no full-body patdowns when I was a kid. This is so terribly wrong in this country; those F.E.M.A. camps are for us ! HOMELAND SECURITY was put into place for us ! They are instituting a police state & control grid with our own damn money & then will say we are bankrupt ! gee, Michael Chertoff, how much did that guy make ?
http://www.wcvarones.com/2010/11/tsas-nude-scanners-former-homeland.html
We have descended a long way...
I love your comments, Lynnebee, 'those fuckers' indeed!
Article 1 Section 6 of the US Constitution. Am I the only one who has read this thing? “They (senators and representatives) shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place.”
But hey, who reads the Constitution anymore?!
Constitution? So much toilet paper in the current regieme's hands. NDAA anyone? If the Constitution ceases to apply to citizens for whom it was written, to protect them from the government, why should it apply to anyone? I hope Rand takes action to end the farce of the TSA.
Exactly.
On another note...Iran will sell oil in gold to china. That means war is 100% certain.
India to pay gold instead of dollars for Iranian oil. Oil and gold markets stunned
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report January 23, 2012, 5:57 PM (GMT+02:00)
Only Terrorists read the Constitution. It's just a God-damned piece of paper!
As for that other terrorist piece of paper, the Declaration of Independence, let's see how far you get on your sacred honor along with 700 calories a day and hard labor!
No terrorists in SC though. 85% for Newt.
I think I will vomit now.
Civil disobedience! I LOVE IT!
I think Rand saw Jim McGreevey and Barney Frank as the new TSA screeners who wanted to pat him down....
A senator bomb
Good for Rand! Fuk the TSA, they can't even "detain" him, they had to call in local LEO to do it, their only Mall Cops with a secret clearance... for a good reason. Clearly a violation of the 4th Amendment, has been.
Ron Paul 2012.
I am a fcking airline pilot and they want to screen me? Fck them. I don't need a device to take down a plane. I have the fcking controls in my hand. Wake the fck up dumb a$$ government.
the whole thing is a charade, any respectable terrorist needs only to bribe a plethora of minimum wage disgruntled worker and they can craate mass panic.
They are well awake pal and training all of us for the next incremental step in the theatre of security, soon we we will be saying "hey, you cannot take that guy to the camps he did not do anything"
Ooo, gov is scared, we are all real mad now... Nothing happens until most of us are hungry.
It's not about security. It is about conditioning and control. The government is awake and knows exactly what it is doing.
Stupid idiot should have refused the scan not the pat-down.....and now they say there was an anomaly with the machine that tested Sen Paul....ooooops.....sorry Sen.Paul.
"Ionizing means it knocks the electrons out of your body, which breaks your DNA chain, which can cause death or cancer," said Dr. Dauer. "Adding to this notion, John Sedat, head of the UCSF opposition group, wrote in a letter to the Obama Administration that "[a]ny glitch in power that stops the device could cause an intense radiation dose to a single spot on the skin."
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034567_TSA_body_scanners_cancer.html#ixzz1kIaFp1kqRead the report CAREFULLY! The reporter obviously misspoke...it should read "metal detector" NOT "scanner". It says that he wanted to go back through the "scanner". That implies movement. You don't MOVE in a scanner. You DO move through a detector. Crappy reporting is all.
If they posted articles about the number of terrorist apprehensions, arrests, prosecutions, convictions etc., I might not object so much. Instead we get stories about the woman who accidentally brought a gun on board her plane, and they had to go back to the gate. If "innocent people" still "accidentally" smuggle weapons on board, and there are no convictions of terrorists apprehended at the checkpoint then WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT???
the point? Control over the populace. And letting perverts feel people up. Half the govt are sexual perverts. i bet there are congressmen and senators that woulod love working as a TSA agent, they're growing tired of their staff and want some fresh meat.
The guy knew that the TSA was going to do the usual routine on him, and he is now making a stink about it for attention. Friggin idiot.
Shill much DHS assclown?
what a DIPSHIT. Go direcetly to an airport and get your nutsack groped you FUCKING FOOL.
Oh, nice....blame the VICTIM of tyranny!
Have a nice "vacation" at Camp FEMA...
It’s a deterrent to make senator Rand Paul use a privet plane so they can bring him down like JFK junior.
OMG!!! That is probably right! Horrifying....
So, you're telling me that you honestly think that they worry about 'collateral damage' anymore!??!?
Libya did Lockerbie, right!?!
I hope he was heading to DC. It is illegal to detain a congressperson on their way to session.
He was headed to DC. While it is unconstitutional to detain a Congressman going to a session, I don't think there is an associated punishment for doing so. Unfortunate.
Dear DHS social media investigative bots:
GO FUCK YOURSELF!
DOWN WITH THE COMMI TSA!
Would it not be funny if he was packing some libertarian weed.
Senator Paul, welcome to club FEMA.
It's like Joey's Taylor on Friends......
The revolution starts by taking out TSA & DHS agents. The time is close, the tyranny is increasing at an exponential rate. Soon they will arrest Ron Paul for something. Bloody revolution is coming. Lock and load people it's gonna get bloody.
The intrinsic meaning of freedom is tightly coupled with power. Without power, tyhany and dictatorship, there is no freedom per se, as freedom would be the default.
I'll bet they planted something on him
Yeah, checking a Senator is such a good use of TSA resources...
Cue Vorlon voice: "And so it begins..."
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Anyone remember how Mugabe leaned on his political challenger's wife and daughter?
Obama is getting taken out right now, according to plan. He will not show up in Georgia on Thursday. He will not submimt his documents to Judge Malihi. he will be cited for Failure to Appear and for Contempt.
It is all part of the plan. Look for a Romney-Newt ticket to win unopposed. Look for the final phase of the police state to be enacted.
There will be an internet ID soon. This will be the "solution" to the "internet piracy" "problem" I will no longer be anonymous. i anticipate no more internet in my future.
There will be some sort of biometric ID soon. I aniticipate that I wil opt out. I anticipate that I will be homeless, cold, and hungry soon, as a consequence of opting out. I will be in good company. Millions of FEMA camp inmates willbe homeless.cold, and hungry as well. At least I will be free.
If you think Romney and gingrich are anything but Obama 2.0 you are... why tell you? If we don't give everything we have to see Ron Paul elected president, we will witness the utter end of America.
Why can't I wake up????
https://crypto.is/
http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/behind-scenes-crypto-project-083011
The patdown is not the problem, the problem is that he agreed to be scanned in the first place. My kids keep saying Disneyworld, but I'll never fly again. This is a great example Rand, scan me, see my wife and daughters nude but no don't pat me down..
Metal detectors and explosive sniffers is all any airport ever needed, security theater is inculcating the stupid masses to the next set of restrictions. Wake the fuck up..
I think by "scanner", they actually mean the DETECTOR that everyone goes through. He wanted to "go back through" the "scanner", which implies movement, where scanners imply stillness. The reporter obviously misspoke.
Difficult to tell from the article, no scanner for me or mine = no fly, we can live with that.
time to store more food and get water proofed ammo.and that m1a ive been talking myself out of
We are getting the facist state we so richly desrve for supporting the political candidates we have for so long.
Hitler's words exactly when faced with the colapse of the Thrid Reich. "The German people deserve it!"
...and he was right...
I can't take the story of Andrew Jackson's presidency out of my mind. He was supposed to lose his second election as He was against renewing the us bank's charter. An ongoing joke to the powerful very much the same way Ron Paul is today. People rallied around Andrew Jackson and re-elected him. When Jackson left office, the US Bank was abolished and the US government was DEBT FREE. The only thing He couldn't complete was abolishing the electoral college.
Andrew Jackson's second presidency is a testament to the man as well as the people of his time just like Bush's second election. I have no doubt Obama will be re-elected.
Why can't I wake up? It's like a nightmare. I want to run, to get away, to fight, to do something, but I'm somehow paralyzed, I can't move, can't breathe... WHY CAN"T I WAKE UP??????
Wonder what Rand was carrying. Gold? Silver? Bitchez...
politicians and banksters should be in season for anyone who would like some REAL justice. Let the lawyers jerk everyone off with their corrupt "court system", the people should take justice into their own hands. Corzine? Gee, what should happen to him? Give him a day in court? Nah, let's use NDAA and send him to Cairo in a bag.
Obama goes around the scanners.
Al-Gore goes around the scanners.
Any and all CEOS / CFOS of any major bank go around the scanners.
Ben Burnurbankeee goes around the scanners.
The rest of the slaves get in line and strip down and bend over.
Shows you who owns this country...
The thinking I am having is to be making me laugh at your sillinesses for talking that AirForce-1 is having scanners for the president who is Obama to be having to be going around.
Dre-
Pull your head out from Roger Ailes buttcheeks and get a clue: George Bush pushed through the "USA Patriot Act" and the Department of "Homeland" Security. The GOP in Congress voted in a solid block for the original Patriot Act and it's various extensions - virtually all the dissenting votes have come from the Democratic side of the aisle.
The GOP is NOT the party of freedom - they're the one's with the electronic surveillance and the latex gloves.
Going to make a hell of a direct mail piece.
This is just silly. Everyone knows the Paul family has huge penises. They're well-endowed men. What can you say? He goes through the body scan, the costumed TSA retard thinks he's trying to smuggle a python on board and they "detain" him (which is arresting someone without a charge). Totally understandable.
Hamy & M$B together on the same thread?
Could someone please confirm whether this is an anomaly? I had always assumed that free market competition was anathema amongst libertarian hatin trolls...
A couple daya ago, while I waited for them to get to the hand search of the contents of my carry-on, which flagged as usual because of the insulin needles, I sat and watched a police state unfold.
This big prick was at the table deciding which personal care items an elderly black lady could take with her, and which she had to surrender. Going through her over-the-counter medications, creams, makeups etc .. "you can take this, not this, not this, this is ok, not this ..." When done he had separated out a good 8-10 bottles of personal care items, most small, no bigger than say a pack of cigarettes, just little bottles, and they took them from her.
Just a little thing?
No. History suggest each step toward a police state only creates yet another step. Real leaders like the Founding Fathers knew this.
Now find the dots. Connect the dots between this and public safety. There are no dots. It's pure government jack-booted thugery. Nothing more.
At least no General tried to call him " Mam ".
Nothing in the media, while a Reuters' commentator was caught offguard daydreaming talking to himself. Watch the start:
http://www.inkom.com.au/blog/reuters-news-reader-caught-guard
This is direct attack agaist his father.
Anomoly? No, that's my dick, Dick!
here is the list of the top ten terrorists that were discovered attempting to smuggle weapons or explosives aboard a plane in the US, but were foiled and arrested as a direct result of TSA scans and pat down security procedures:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
that's right, not a single one, nothing, nada, zip, zero, zilch. so tell me what exactly is the TSA other than an epic, monumental waste of tax payer money, especially considering that according to the DHS, when a nationwide test was conducted the TSA scans and pat downs missed 70% of the banned items that were planted on those posing as travelers.
this is the natural progression of the fascist police state, what starts as training the common people on how to be good serfs and to give up even their most basic dignity to the authorities in the interest of "homeland security" moves on to the harassment and intimidation of those political dissidents, even in high public office, who refuse to get with the program.
Well, its working then, isn't it?
The terrorists work was all done on 9-11, when they turned the destruction of dignity and liberty over to the police.
TSA forced Rand to miss his flight. Gubmint must hope the next flight goes well...
FWIW, I never take the rads, opt for pat-down everytime.
This is like the moment in Star Wars when they are informed the Emperor has dissolved the Imperial Senate - you knew right then how badly they were screwed if he could do that. Well Congress is an empty shell if they can have their Constitutional powers taken by a bunch of low grade rent-a-cops.
based on the redefinition of terrorist, he would be a domestic terrorist. Welcome to the facist state we so richly deserve for voting for all these politicians.
sorry but youre an uninformed idiot. the war on terror you believe in is a fraud.
It might have been an honest cause, but it has been abused by the government. The war on terror was real, and we lost. Osama won and in dead is probably a martyr to all the others.
How can anyone with half a brain see the WTC 7 collapse video and still believe in the war on terror fairy tale?
May our chains set lightly upon us.
Something tells us the TSA budget is about to be severely curtailed...
Yeah...one can only hope.
It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Rand Paul was one of the only people standing up for the people against the NDAA Bill does it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK0pEFSX7Ns
The fact that they are pushing this button proves that they are taking this all the way. They torched the Constitution and now they are going to punish anyone who still fights to protect the people's rights under it.
Rand Paul is a baby. What? He deserves special treatment? If TSA is the issue than it relates to all of us. Just because he thinks he's known doesn't give any reason why people shold excuse him from the same quarantine and threat to personal rights that each and everyone of us are also subject to.
And GAWD... If people in the U.S. could only find the capacity to organize, it would take only about 3 days of an Anti-fly campaign to drastically alter the way people are treated. Threaten the corportocracy and the governmental minions placed to guard the gate will crumble around it.
Other people have refused the pat down before. A lady that refused was told She would not be allowed to enter the plane, so she left. As She was exiting the airport, She was told that She still needed to be pat down or accept 10k fine. Notice they are not technically breaking the illegal search law. You can always take the fine. Niceeee!
You know I hear so many people in this forum and others talking about stocking up on lead and all those tough words. However, when somebody shows civil disobedience, He is criticized for not complying to the masters just like all the other sheep.
He doesn't have to be excused. He has to be emulated. Why don't YOU refuse the pat down next trip?
only about 3 days ?
Like maybe thanksgiving, where TSA shut down scanners to avoid backlash during one of the busiest travel times?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/24/tsa-cave-scanners-thanksgiving-rush/
Holiday over and it's back to sexual assault and microwaves. If this were about terrorists, why would they shut down the scanners? hmmm
I remember in the 80s going through the immigration agent at the airport. It was a couple of stamps, a smile, and welcome back sir. Last November, I through the immigration agent and I got asked questions about my profession, purpose of trip, what neighborhood I stayed at, etc also they seem to stare at You to see if you are nervous I suppose. I also saw a few people ahead of me pulled away to the "little room."
The customs agent again asked me the same questions. He gave my duffel bags a good fondle. He felt it all around. I found humorous that these guy from India that look like arrive the previous month was doing this job. Finally, I guess he noticed the my angry voice, and sent me to the inspection area where two officers had me placed my luggage through the x-ray machine. They didn't bother to look at me or even got off their chairs. Finally, they just barked me off. Welcome back citizen!
They don't care anymore. The end justifies the means. Get ready to be thoroughly questioned if you carry over $10,000 which now a days is not that much. And, If they find a few gold bars, get ready for some one on one even if it is below the magic number.
+1 Zela. Travel has become a great deal less attractive, just on the basis of the pure hassle of customs. But as a counter balance, if solid questioning and profiling works for many nations, including our favorite, Israel, and they have no need for intrusive scans and un-constitutional pat-downs, I think this would be at least a move in the right direction. Being asked questions would be far more preferable, even if a hassle, to having person and property unduly violated.
Pnzified,
I will admit a certain negative bias towards immigration offices. As I already have gone into the little room for answering the question wrong. Thank goodness it was the 80 and didn't have to visit a jail cell. Really, was I out 6 or 9 months who cares? I was 20 and a smart ass.
I remember when the Patriot Act was been passed. I was talking to a co-worker, venting really. He said "I am willing to give up some of my liberties, so that we can be safer." My heart sank. I told him there are a lot of dead soldiers turning in their graves.
The ONLY way that we will ever be totally safe is if we give up all of our freedoms. Freedom has inherent risks for abuse that we have to accept.
I am not advocating letting a guy with a turban and an duffel bag that seems to have an RPG inside it to go right through. However, I will expect something more reasonable. The agent ran my passport through the computer which I am sure is connected to the FBI and the Interpol. It came out clean, so I would consider it reasonable to assume that I am not a threat. At that point, a nicer demeanor should be warranted from somebody that has the authority to through any of us in jail without due process. Now, the girl in front of me that was flirting with the guy went right through. Humm ...
Indeed!
Arrived in LaG, NYC on a flight from Madrid in '78 with a declared solid silver statue of an Eagle on a rock and a smuggler's can of deodorant with an ounce of fine Moroccan sputnik concealed within. Customs agent with a beautiful Bronx accent asked to see the statue but ignored the can and just wanted to know the price - $80 - "getouttaheah already" - beautiful words.
Xray would probably bust it now tho ...
They can keep him.
the USG wants everyone to know that they are completely insane - unstable - volatile ...
its a desperate way of earning respect.
"don't mess with those guys, son - they're crazy - you just never know what they're going to do next!"
Listen, I agree the pat down is a pain in the ass, but if it has a possiblity of stopping one idiot with a bomb, isnt it worth it? I travel a lot and where is all this noise that the TSA is some sort of SS Troopers coming from? They are rent a cops, same as those guys at the local Mall, why even get upset about them, they are a non-event.
Excactly, and idiots like you think those bozo's can actually find someone with a bomb. You give up your freedoms for safety because you've never had to fight for your freedom. Show some respect.
Show respect to who? Last time I checked there are numerious instances where TSA has stopped people from bringing shit on the plane. Just because you saw some 60 min piece on some guys getting shit through doesn't mean that you throw the baby out with the bath water.
Yes, the TSA has stopped MILLIONS of terrorists from bringing SHAMPOO onto the plane. I feel so much safer now. NOT.
Please sun, go super nova and eliminate this disease called "human beings".
Human beings are DUMBER THAN ROCKS.
Let's make this so clear than even completely intoxicated morons can understand. Go to the private terminal and charter a seat on a private jet like corporate executives do. No ID required. No scanners. No patdown. No baggage check. No TSA.
The TERRORISTS ALL KNOW THIS. Therefore, anyone with a few thousand dollars can get a plane, bypass TSA completely, bypass baggage checks completely, and do whatever the frack they want. So the ONLY thing TSA has done is stop terrorists who have less than several thousand dollars or so, or an IQ below 3. Period.
THIS PROVES beyond any doubt - even to complete morons (as long as they are honest) - that TSA operations STOP NO TERRORISTS. This is a fact, a blatant and completely obvious fact.
As I keep pointing out, humans are the stupidest species on planet earth. No other species sanctions, supports, defends and finances the predators that prey upon them. Only humans are STUPID enough to do that. Humans are FINISHED.
2 miles away from my house there is a public airport. You can buy a nice little 4 seat Cessna and with a few explosives or even tanks with gasoline. I got my private license in that airport. I remember flying over the beach, near down town, even the nuclear power plant that is just a stone through away. Florida is littered with small private runways. One day I even got a guy coming out of a shack with a shot gun in the middle of the everglades. Hum, I wonder what He was doing?
Most of the bomb incidents that I have read where place in the cargo section.
Well, the good news is, this absurd policy is being applied to our Congressmen.
Maybe there's a chance they'll pass a law or something. Sure, it'll probably just be a law that Congressmen don't have to submit to pat-downs, but you never know.
They could try something to applies to Americans too.