The Real Tragedy Of The Euro

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Fri, 12/30/2011 - 16:27 | 2022372 Catullus
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Please share the insight.  Their marked-to-market gold has to do with what exactly?

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 17:52 | 2022529 kennard
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" its most important asset, its marked-to-market gold?"

The French central bank holds US$135 billion market value of gold bullion against an annual budget deficit of US$178 billion.

The Italian central bank holds roughly the same amount of gold against an annual budget deficit of US$94 billion.

The Germans have more gold, but you're not going to dip into either that or the balance of their credit capacity.

So, please explain why EU gold is relevant?

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 19:34 | 2022827 Ghordius
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lookma is coming from FOFOA's book - the theory states that at a certain point of inflation + gold revaluation the CB's would be "floating" again...

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:35 | 2021956 jomama
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they're just following the hyper-leveraged US model.  except with a bunch of semi-sovereign nations with their own cultures.  

assuming of course that the EU wasn't a ploy for a financial takeover of all these countries from the onset.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:39 | 2021965 bbelux
Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:41 | 2021969 Zola
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The future of the free world rests on the US election in 2012 - may Ron Paul prevail. Iowans will hopefully usher 2012 under good auspices.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:51 | 2021989 bbelux
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the future of the free world? Wowww! Nothing less!

 

Errr, where will the Alien attack then? Is Bruce Willis on duty for the new year eve or? I have not Will Smith cell phone number... Errr

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:11 | 2022031 JLee2027
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Just vote for Ron Paul, thanks

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:15 | 2022043 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

Yes, please vote for Ron Paul, thanks from me as well.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 16:06 | 2022314 youLilQuantFuker
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When Obama ran for president he stood for human rights, he was bright and principled, but then during the campaign certain things happened.

First of all the top financiers of the Democratic Party half of them are Jewish and almost all of those are quite Zionist and quite involved with the Israelis. At the time when Hilary Clinton and Obama were competing for support AIPAC had its annual convention. On that day Obama gave a speech and he gave more than what was expected. Lee Hamilton who was on Obama’s advisory board said to me that he went too far – he shouldn’t have said what he said about Jerusalem – we’re going to be correcting it. After the speech, behind the scenes, he was taken to meet the Board of Directors of AIPAC. Rahm Israel Emanuel, former White House Chief of Staff escorted him upstairs to the hotel room.

This is very unusual, presidency candidates don’t usually get interviewed by boards of directors like this, but AIPAC is different. The way the Israeli community signaled that they were going to support Obama, without actually announcing that they had even had a meeting with him, was to have Rahm endorse Obama. So a few hours later Rahm came out in public and did that, which was the signal to the rest of us that Obama had made his peace with this lobby and that he wasn’t going to be able to do anything they weren’t going to approve of.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:06 | 2022017 SheepDog-One
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Anyone thinking that they would ever allow their plans for 1 world domination to be upset by Ron Paul is dreaming. He'll never make it, just watch and see.

You assume that 

A- The elections are not totaly rigged from start to finish? 

B- Even if Ron Paul WERE to be president, they'd allow him to take down the world banking system puppet masters that control it all? Ask JFK how that goes.

Never happen.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:16 | 2022049 DoChenRollingBearing
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I hope you are wrong, but I think you are right.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:57 | 2022148 mick_richfield
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You may say that I'm a dreamer

but I'm not the only one.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 16:11 | 2022333 Captain Kink
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Didn't work out so well for JL either....  R.I.P.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 15:24 | 2022218 Potemkin Villag...
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@Zola

You lost me at "FREE WORLD" there Neil Young... (hey - but you'll always have Mary Decker to beat up on)...

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 22:16 | 2756951 WallowaMountainMan
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bad news from the future...

RP is RIP....i'm gonna write him in, but he ain't gonna show on the big ballot this nov....

back to the now.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:44 | 2021974 bbelux
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And...

 

the simple solution for the euro : the RESPECT of the Maastricht treaty. This should be STICKED in all the member states CONSITUTION !!!!!

 

 

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2011/12/daily-chart

 

 

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:59 | 2022152 mick_richfield
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This should be STICKED in all the member states

I think you meant to say gestucken bleiben sein gewesen.

Or something like that.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:45 | 2021978 Snakeeyes
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Here is my bond, mortgage and housing market 2011 review. I discuss the Euro crisis.

2011: A Year In Review For Bonds And Mortgages – Treasuries Big Winner, Europe Big Loser, U.S. Housing Flat-lined

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2011/12/30/2011-a-year-in-review...

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:25 | 2022069 economics1996
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SE AKA JA,

Here is a little blog I did showing how to smoke out "hopium and dopium" in Florida and our drop in unemployment from 11.9% to 10.0%. `

After you been around the block with the politicians smoking out their crap isn’t that hard.

I always try to use their government information against them.  It makes it that much sweeter.

http://usa-wethepeople.com/2011/12/florida-unemployment-down-from-11-9-to-10/

Keep up the good work and smoke out some locals once in awhile.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 16:43 | 2022409 earleflorida
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check this out economics1996:

Florida's Gov. Rick Scott's low cost health [aug/11?] care on state tab:

taxpayer-subsidized health ins. plan offered by the state-of-florida as a perk,  only available to high-ranking state officials,... which includes top management at all state-of-florida agencies --- approximately 160 state legislators are also enrolled in the program that cost $8.34/month for individual coverage, and $30/month for the entire family coverage [because good help is hard to come by nowadays] !

PS. This is the same Gov. Rick Scott that defrauded the gov't of Billion's $$$ while a former hospital chain CEO executive,... but, per usual his triumph as the newly crowned governor of florida put a wet-blanket over the past smoldering charges!

pathetic 

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:46 | 2021981 Bull_Colapse
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Everyone hates each other in the euro, too much history, it was never going to work but it wount stop them form trying everything they can. 

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:53 | 2021995 bbelux
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hates? in the EMU?

 

Well they're all politicians :-) they hate themselves during the day and sleep together at night! Every politician have the same method : throw money by the window and hope tommorrow will be better, or if shit happens, manage not to be elected at that time :-)

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:47 | 2021983 Iconoclast
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Er...anyone fancy putting up their hands to admit that they want the shared currency to survive and the united states of Europe likewise..? I'm Spartacus!

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 15:02 | 2022162 mick_richfield
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They're not waving.  They're drowning.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 19:38 | 2022836 Ghordius
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err... here? Shared currency, yes, thanks. Does this make me Crassus?

"United States of Europe"? Why? What for? This is just another UKUS fancy...

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 20:27 | 2022909 bombimbom
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I am Gaius Julius Caesar and I want the USofE but unfortunately I know it will take time and many careful steps ahead. anyway I think both you and me will see it at least in its first incarnations. the name will be EU.

BTW I am happy you're not Marcus Brutus. :)

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:50 | 2021988 JPM Hater001
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Im sorry, I missed a big part of his speech...I was busy watching my toast cook.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:53 | 2021993 youngandhealthy
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Bagus is bogus....he is a clown. Absolutely no one listen to him.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:01 | 2022009 granolageek
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Libertian Germany? Libertarian Netherlands?

 

Yup, that's what passes for scholarship among Austrian economists.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 17:36 | 2022551 TK7936
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Most people dont even know that the German social security system is out optable, very similiar to what Ron Paul demands on Obama care.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:02 | 2022014 SheepDog-One
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These 'scholars' just dont get it, this is not like a jalopy theyre desperately trying hard to repair and keep on the road at all. The whole thing was PLANNED to fail so that a 1 world bank could rise from the ashes. 

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 16:31 | 2022382 Catullus
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I don't think that Dr. Bagus would disagree with you.

The institutional setup of the EMU has been an economic disaster. The Euro is a political project; political interests have brought the European currency forward on its grievous way and have been clashing over it as a result. And economic arguments launched to disguise the true agenda behind the Euro have failed to convince the general population of its advantages.

The Euro has succeeded in serving as a vehicle for centralization in Europe and for the French government’s goal of establishing a European Empire under its control—curbing the influence of the German state.

A vehicle for centralization in Europe sounds like a plan to establish one world bank.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 21:30 | 2023025 Peter in wonderland
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I've planned many things that haven't gone according to plan. So have Europe in the past, like it's written in the history books. I guess this scholar is trying to say that we are on the same path where planning goes for one government and one currency while reality leads us to war. I don't think he was trying to repair anything, more going through the stuff that has lead us this black hole where we are.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:14 | 2022040 High Plains Drifter
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http://www.dejanlucic.net/THE%20ROTHSCHILD%20OCTOPUS.html

 

the rothschild cartel and the european union.............

 

the flag, 12 golden stars  on a sea of blue.............hmmmm

esoteric meanings in judaism..

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_symbolism#Colours

 

 

Sat, 12/31/2011 - 10:29 | 2023495 bank guy in Brussels
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Another thought circulated ... is that the EU blue flag with the circle of golden stars is a symbol of Christianity, or even particularly the Vatican and Roman Catholicism, taken from the usual background of traditional religious art of Mary the mother of Jesus ... typically a lot of blue, and the golden stars around Mary's head, just like on the EU flag.

Might be subconsciously borrowed from those images.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:26 | 2022070 Monedas
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Twelve golden stars of David on a field of blue....one for each CB !  My Jews always find the action, Jackson !  Monedas 2011  Comedy Jihad Imagine Our Congress To The 12th Power....EuroZone !

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:29 | 2022079 devo
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I found this hilarious:

Dennis Gartman, the economist and editor of the Gartman Letter, said he is “about to become bullish” on gold after being neutral since mid-November.

Gartman just can't seem to make up his mind! hahah

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:35 | 2022085 High Plains Drifter
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yeh , gartman is one guy i sure would have absolutely no problem,  trusting,  to make my pile get bigger..............sarc off/

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:46 | 2022112 devo
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It's like...on any given day, if gold is up, he's bullish. If it's down, gold is a bubble and he's bearish. Soo funny.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 15:27 | 2022227 Potemkin Villag...
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I found this hilarious:

Dennis Gartman...

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You could have stopped right there & WE ALL would have had a great belly whopper to end the year...

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:34 | 2022086 Magnum
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Tragedy is that I paid US$1.65 per Euro on my last trip there.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 17:18 | 2022497 earleflorida
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yeah,... well the euro sinking like a stone doesn't bode well for european vacationers -

the usa makes a huge pile of dole off these travelers now stuck in limbo - tourism equates to Big Bucks $$$ in the states,... and i mean Big Bucks!  

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:53 | 2022126 Georgesblog
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The stage is set. The conflict between force of wills and ideologies will play out, to conclusion. There will be a gloating winner, and a resentful loser.  This is a classic split in the making.

http://georgesblogforum.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/the-daily-climb-2/

Sat, 12/31/2011 - 09:43 | 2023474 Schmuck Raker
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Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:55 | 2022134 Quinvarius
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The reality is, the central bankers will set the Euro exchange rate where ever they want.  At this time, the range is about 1.30 to 1.50.  Because the market is a series of interventions, the next move will be to prop it to 1.50.  It doesn't matter who defaults or blows up.  The exchange rate is set by policy, not by free markets reacting to anything.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 15:39 | 2022179 Zero Govt
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"...he sees three possibilities: first.. break up; second, the.. SGP. reformed and finally enforced; and third, ....a transfer union - what scenario will finally play out is anyone's guess.."

Because Phillip Bagus is an academic (windbag) he is unable to weight an argument. All plausable options are logìcally possible (ie. he is clueless).

Mr Bagus, like all waffling academics, is only able to round-up the news/past (most of his ilk can barely do that accurately and without bias) but is unable to predict the future (ie. his output worthless)

To others that understand how the world works and are able to use experience as a guide the outcome is not a mulitple choice academic Q&A session. It is a piece of shit to predict

What is missing from Bagus' academic liberal news round-up is that even with the slackest of discpline amongst the bungling Brussels clown show the Eurocrats have still tripped all over themselves and each other like a fruitcake in a China shop. Any attempt to tighten rules amongst these dizzy indisciplined retards is going to go down like a capitalist at a Marxist rally

The other poignent point is the dye (debt) is set. The debt far outweighs anybodies financial ability to repay it. The debt also far outweighs anyones (in particular Germanys) stomach to repay it. The German Govt is between a rock and a hard place for decades of bankrolling the useless suicide socialist tossers around Europe

So that rules out completely Options 2 and 3

Leaving Option 1: break-up

If you like listening to windbagging air-headed academics, Phillip Bagus is your man. If you want to know anything of value, like a sound prediction on the future, he is clueless (like every academic and economist ever born)

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 16:36 | 2022397 Catullus
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An Austrian economist is now a "liberal"?

And the word is "undisciplined" not "indisciplined".

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 17:24 | 2022510 earleflorida
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well,... a fine howdy-doody to[o], un[in]ion

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