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Remember Fukushima: Presenting The Radioactive Seawater Impact Map

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A few days after the one year anniversary of the Fukushima disaster, nobody talks about it anymore. After all it's "fixed", and if it isn't, the Fed will fix it. Remember in the New Normal nothing bad is allowed the happen. So for those who have forgotten, here is a reminder.

From ASR, a global coastal and marine consulting firm, The Radioactive Seawater Impact Map


We use a Lagrangian particles dispersal method to track where free floating material (fish larvae, algae, phytoplankton, zooplankton...) present in the sea water near the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station plant could have gone since the earthquake on March 11th. THIS IS NOT A REPRESENTATION OF THE RADIOACTIVE PLUME CONCENTRATION. Since we do not know exactly how much contaminated water and at what concentration was released into the ocean, it is impossible to estimate the extent and dilution of the plume. However, field monitoring by TEPCO showed concentration of radioactive Iodine and Cesium higher than the legal limit during the next two months following the event (with a peak at more than 100 Bq/cm3 early April 2011 for I-131 as shown by the following picture).

Assuming that a part of the passive biomass could have been contaminated in the area, we are trying to track where the radionuclides are spreading as it will eventually climb up the food chain. The computer simulation presented here is obtained by continuously releasing particles at the site during the 2 months folllowing the earthquake and then by tracing the path of these particles. The dispersal model is ASR's Pol3DD. The model is forced by hydrodynamic data from the HYCOM/NCODA system which provides on a weekly basis, daily oceanic current in the world ocean. The resolution in this part of the Pacific Ocean is around 8km x 8km cells. We are treating only the sea surface currents. The dispersal model keeps a trace of their visits in the model cells. The results here are expressed in number of visit per surface area of material which has been in contact at least once with the highly concentrated radioactive water.

h/t Nolsgrad

 


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Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:39 | Link to Comment fuu
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"my roomate's mom makes $83/hr on the computer"

sucking cock

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment fastfish
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Post the projections for the next 12 months please. The modelling software can do that.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 15:00 | Link to Comment mkkby
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Japan has plenty of unused land that would make a great homeland for the Palestinians.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:48 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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It's not a tumor!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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You're gonna need a bigger ocean.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Comay Mierda
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anyone want some sushi?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:55 | Link to Comment xela2200
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Does it glow in the dark?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment viahj
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what about the tuna, salmon and crab industries?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 22:16 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

anyone want some sushi?

Authentic Japanese pre-cooked raw fish.

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment RowdyRoddyPiper
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I think I want to be short Hawaiian shoreline real estate.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Nah, it'll enhance the tan! (as evidenced by your avatar)

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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and bleach your teeth nice and white!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Osmium
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...And I'm all out of bubble gum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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No problem; looks like it'll be months before it even reaches Kauai...

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment SolidSnake961
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I want to see some mutated creatures and see plum island get some competition.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Big Corked Boots
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I did a construction project on Plum Island about 25 years ago. They made us leave all the tools there. They got some nasty shit there, lemme tell ya.

I haven't been bitten by a tick since then. I wonder if there's a connection...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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Mosquitos don't even bite him, out of respect.    he is the most interesting man in the world!

I don't drink beer often, but when I do, I drink DosFukishima.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:08 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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The seals in the Bering strait are dying of a disease where all their hair falls out and they have open sores on their bodies. 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:05 | Link to Comment JamesBond
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they should wear condoms

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment DCFusor
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Should be interesting to see how people who scorn mere models when it comes to say, warming, react to this model that disclaims any connection to reality.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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The difference is the integrity of the data, not the model.

FAIL.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment PersonalRespons...
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Since the initial data is from Tepco, you can expect that it's actually much worse. 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Have you seen the underlying data behind this model and have you independently confirmed it?  If not, why is this any more reliable than the scientific data underlying global warming that you poo poo?  

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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I don't poo poo global warming...I find it gives simpletons something to keep them busy.

But based on yer argument, I would say that global warming in fact must be true.  Now what?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:13 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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But the scientific data assembled by AGW advocates shows no warming in over a decade.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:31 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Well what about 15 years???

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Hippocratic Oaf
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Cant we just jam a bunch of unsold, overpriced $200k per car by taxpayers Chevy Volts down the fuck-u-shima hole and see if that'll do the trick?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Hagbard Celine
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+ 1000

 

ha! they don't seem to have even noticed that the "plume" is not a real plume

 

"ooh look. pretty pictures. nature points out the folly of man. <obligatory Obama reference>. Godzilla!"

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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Perhaps Godzilla will make a comeback...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln8-Y-fIbqM

Classic Blue Oyster Cult

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:51 | Link to Comment bugs_
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estimate, guess, scenario

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:51 | Link to Comment miker
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The Japanese always have been and continue to be a DANGEROUS PEOPLE. 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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We need to nuke them bastards!

Oh... wait, we already did that... and they did it to themselves too.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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My "Fukushima Dome" hoop-house is going back up this weekend for it's second season of cesium-free veggies.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Make sure you fend off those earless rabbits.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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They'll never hear me coming!

Plus I have to fence it off anyway lest it become a litter-box.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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The first thing "thunder thighs" Sir Hillary Clinton did was to tell the Japanese government that the U. S. would not conduct radioation tests on food coming from Japan in the aftermath of the catastrophe.  "And" in the long run it will be a catastophe.

Tuco

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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I was just sitting here wondering where my green tea came from.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:21 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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weren't there tea producers in southern Japan whose product was tested off the charts?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment viahj
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what, no particles landed on the soil inbetween your growing seasons when your "Fukushima Done" was down?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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The Bernank will fix it.  

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Hippocratic Oaf
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You must first say.......It's Bush's fault and then The Bernank will fix it.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment FXPortent
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Change the channel and you change their minds, very easy.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment Martin Silenus
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Blinky fillets for everyone!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment GottaBKiddn
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This is only the beginning.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment OutLookingIn
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Godzilla peed in the pool!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment Dermasolarapate...
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Wait until it hits the West Coast...I've never seen a two-header surfer before....

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment Cone of Uncertainty
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I just puked up my sushi.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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The oil spills will soak up most of it. Trust me, Imma doctor.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment PersonalRespons...
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Looks like Godzilla stepped on the wrong structures and may have doomed himself.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment jus_lite_reading
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Nearly 60% of children in and around the fallout area tested had thyroid "lumps"...

But don't worry because they will all buy iPads with their TEPCO restitution money and everything will be fine!!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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data source?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment sleepingbeauty
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It is 30% and the source is a pdf in japanese. Hope you read it so you can verify.

 

http://sitfu.com/2012/02/30-of-tested-fukushima-kids-have-thyroid-lumps/

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:57 | Link to Comment xela2200
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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the alternative explanation is it's simply the hot air chem-trail from the Bank of Japan trying to:

a). control their currency

b) heat map from the printing machines

20 years of getting nowhere, why stop now?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment Idiot Savant
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Between Fukushima and all the oil and Corexit dumped in the GOM, I no longer eat seafood. Peak oil, peak debt, peak population, peak pollution, etc. It's a damn shame what we humans are doing to this planet.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Rainman
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Guess we have no choice then but to eat the pink slime. I'd start eating the lawn cept the dachshund has been peeing on it for years.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:01 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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They can print trillions in paper and throw it on that shit and soak it all up. Easy fix

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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they've been trying precisely that for 20 years on the economy

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:01 | Link to Comment NEOSERF
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Government Spin:Low levels of radioactivity (<100 bequerels) in your sushi kelp actually have been found to increase productivity levels, fertility and to slow aging

These comments have not been evaluated by the FDA as we are a little bogged down in snake oil aging compound and vitamin claims and estimate we will evalute these claims in 2021...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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Is Godzilla peeing in the pool again?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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This is REALLY bad.  I mean when earth collides with Mars or something we're going to really fuck up Mars with all this pollution. 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment Big Corked Boots
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Based on that premise, Nibiru will certainly not approach our solar system.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment ptoemmes
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Reminds me of the good ole daze in the Gulf or Macondo - I mean Mexico.

Mix the two and you could have 7X24 taning oil and a tanning source.  

 

Pete

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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A new commodity to be traded by the bloodsucking scum sucking ass eating banksters!!!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:05 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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Isn't there a law about this shit?  Like the DFUTE (Don't Fuck Up The Earth) law?  Oh I forgot they instituted the STFU law for the people who LIVE on the earth, Same thing.  Problem solved.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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REMEMBER TO FLUSH

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment carbonmutant
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Gives new meaning to the term "Toxic Waste"

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Agent P
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We use a Lagrangian particles dispersal method...mainly to get people to stop reading right there and focus on the pictures, which do not represent the radioactive plume...even though most will assume that it does.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Hagbard Celine
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+ 1000

 

nice object lesson in how many people in these comments have no idea what they're talking about and can't even be bothered to read a couple of sentences before taking a dump on their keyboards

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment viahj
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yeah, because this is simply a "model" there is absolutely no radioactive contamination in the Pacific.  thanks for easing my fears of doom and gloom so i can get back to worrying about my March Madness bracket.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment sleepingbeauty
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This is a model and not a actual measurement, agreed. But the previous posters point that a model and reality are not completely divergent is not irrelevant.

To me, throwing the model out would require someone to shoot holes in the assumptions of the model which has not been done. Please go ahead, I would love another point of view.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Hagbard Celine
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except I was talking about the reactions in these comments. not the model and not the contamination

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Hagbard Celine
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in fact, I was hoping to find some discussion in these comments about the There Could Be A Radioactive Atom Here computer model versus actual contamination measurements in the field. But, after scanning through a bunch of godzilla posts, and omg we're fuxked, and "you're mom is global warming" comments, I gave up and modded up the only two comments that even mentioned that it's not an image of the actual contamination...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:38 | Link to Comment whartman
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OK, here is another point of view.

The great currents that run clockwise around the Pacific Ocean in the Northern Hemesphere clearly have not been taken into account.  In a short period, at most months, water from Japan appears off California.

And the Pacific Ocean is simply too large for the rather small amount of radiation to be significant in terms of any real world impact.  I owned a geiger counter as a child (rock hound).  The thing started clicking whenever it was turned on.  Radioactivity is everywhere.  When literally "watered down" in the largest body of water on Earth, there simply cannot be a detectable difference in total radiation at any distance from Japan.

Now since the radioactive polution is different in "signature" (a different mix of isotopes) than that which would exist in nature, it might be possible, with some difficulty, to detect a difference at great distances.  But we would be talking about impacts in parts per billion or more -- of theoretical interest, not an actual danger.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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Note to self: do not buy seafood imported from Japan.....

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment doomandbloom
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Waiting for God(ot)zilla!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment chdwlch1
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Not to worry. There's a new gubmint study that's just been released that proves Magellan had a twin brother...

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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Is all this pollution going to cause an explosion when the earth collides with the sun?  That could be dangerous.  Bernanke should do something about this.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Mugatu
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Plume looks like it now covers Midway Island.  How ironic!  Japan finally takes Midway Island.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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I bet there are REAL Mutant Ninja turtles now.  Those bitchez be naaaaaasty.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment aerial view
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The once unique and special planet earth with clean water, clean air and nutrient dense soil until short-sighted, tunnel visioned, greedy psychopaths depleted, polluted and contaminated it leading to it's eventual destruction including all the life it once supported.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:18 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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Yeah, kinda makes you pine for the good old days.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Silver Dreamer
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An old scientist once told me, "The solution to pollution is dilution."  It still applies to the ocean and radioactive particles, but we still should not be screwing around.  A dead ocean after all means a dead planet.  That would take an awful lot of radioactive material however, and even an all out nuclear war with all of the nuclear power plant disasters it would cause afterward would probably not be enough.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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US citizen great work.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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Hey Banzai, give us a mutant Ninja Turtle pic. My Man.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment frenchie
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wonder how can i find which farm animals are feed with seafood from there... maybe i cannot eat anything nowdays O.O

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Bodhi
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So much for not shitting where you eat.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment spastic_colon
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Good thing there are no fishing industries that would be affected by a true study of the situation, I guess all the additives I eat are more detrimental than a little bit of sushi radiation. New menu item Glowing Yellow Tail, safer than Mercury Blowfish Roll.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Fucking doomers: haven't you ever heard that 'dilution is the solution'? Now I'm off for a swim in Lake Erie; carp salad sandwich anyone?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:45 | Link to Comment viahj
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glad that there's no such thing as concentraion of contaminants in the food chain.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:27 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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that there is just hippy talk. 'Sif a flock of seagulls could spontaneously go critical mass; a murder of crows, mb.

Now repeat after me,

"The stars at night are big and bright!"

<clap!clap!clap!clap!>

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment JEHR
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And you know this because............?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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I filled out an application for a WS bank the other day.  It asked me:

 

Male _____

Female _____

Psychopath _____

Species _______

 

I checked them all.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment evolutionx
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Fukushima webcam displays incidents last march

 

impressing:

 

http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/etc/7479-webcam-fukushima

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment junkyardjack
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Radioactive water? Whats the worst that could happen?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYuIEa5DvJs

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Penniless Pauper
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The governments already saved us from Fukushima by raising the safe limit exposure for radiation. :(

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Buy a Geiger counter, and check the seafood prior to purchase.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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WTF is that big round blue thing on the video?  Wierd.  Bernanke should collateralize whatever the fuck that is.  Oh, he already did.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment LookingWithAmazement
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Fukushima: has Tokyo already been evacuated? Not? Boring world we live in.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment shuckster
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If you read the reports about the Fukushima eathquake, you'll see that it is highly unlikely that a deep sea nuclear event was what caused it. The earthquake shook all of Japan - and it lasted a long time - this is not something that a nuclear bomb could have done. The earthquake was slow and long also, while a nuclear bomb explodes quickly, as I'm sure we all know. I think the conspiracy theorists went a bit too far on this one...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Deh.

What Hopium are you smoking.

A nuclear device planted in the subocean fault line trench could have triggered it though.

Did not even need to be buried.The damm buster bomber used  80ft deep water pressue to crack a fault in

damms,and that was only 2000ibs of TNT. Multiplier effect.Imagine the muliplier at 10,000 ft. deep.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment carbonmutant
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Californians have reported seeing a nightly glow on the horizon...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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That's Charlie Sheen lighting one up on the SS Minnow.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:43 | Link to Comment unionbroker
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i love it people are all experts on climate change but could probably not even explain how a fridge works

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:47 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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Yeah, and what's up with the light in the fridge? Everytime I open the door the damn light is on.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Funny that....

I am waiting for one of the brainiacs to explain the 2nd law of thermodynamics to me and how the Greenhouse effect violates it....

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:47 | Link to Comment SILVERGEDDON
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The biggest problem here is not the color map, it is the lies and cover up. No cover up, honest researched truthful information being reported that people can rely upon to determine their own fates, you would have no problems. Probably the world would have mobilized all resources a lot sooner, and prevented a lot of the damage caused if the truth had been told from minute one. Instead, we got lies and cover up. Now, we are sitting on the edge of the most contamination ever released by a nuclear event in history. Epitaph will read " The human race - extinguished by lies and cover up "

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:02 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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Yeah but you're missing what's MOST important here..............M O N E Y.  You know, that SHIT they print out of thin air?  They will kill an entire planet for it aking Ben Berstooooopid the most POWERFUL ASSHOLE on earth, and maybe Mars.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:17 | Link to Comment TradingTroll
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With the Exxon Valdez, since it was BPs oil that spilled, legally BP had cleanup responsibility. But nuke power is special. That's why uranium caskets from 0ameco that leaked on a ship now sit in a Vancouver BC waterway. Noone takes cleanup responsibility, ship holdco went bellyup

We shouldnt have to rely on computer simulations for the plume. The oh so successful nuke industry should check contamination.

The fact is nuke power is an abysmal failure. You rely on government subsidies to build the plant, it makes power for 50yrs, then the waste sits around for 500,000yrs. At the current minimum wage, one security guard for 500,000yrs puts the project into the red

We have over a hundred years of natgas supplies yet we still are slow to convert fleet engines. Natgas is a way better solution to peak oil. Just ask the Japanese, all their nuke plants offline now and Natty and Coal power the country just fine. No mutant offspring either.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:32 | Link to Comment earnyermoney
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Image would make a nice upgrade for AssFire's avatar.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment dondonsurvelo
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Another model that cannot be confirmed or denied, but will be latched upon by those that hate nuclear power.  Maybe the IPCC can take up the charge since they have screwed up their global warming prognosis.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 13:40 | Link to Comment Dermasolarapate...
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I notice the pacific salmon getting larger...much much larger recently....

I don't mind th esize but the four tails disturb me......

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Thought Processor
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Hawaii looks like its going to get hit with this the most.  Hope they're not planning on eating any seafood for like the next hundred years!   What a mess.  Oh and of course most large pacific ocean inhabitants (fish, dolphins, whales etc.) will be migrating through that nuclear waste also.  Man has screwed nature once again.  Give us a little more time and we'll kill off every last beautiful thing that ever existed on this planet.  But don't be alarmed people, all is well as long as the economy grows though.  Stay the course.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.

Maybe time to avoid anything out of the Pacific.  Actually I would really have a problem with this if I were living in Hawaii.  This would freak me out.  

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:56 | Link to Comment nothing can go wrogn
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Omnicide: The killing of everything.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:20 | Link to Comment mholzman
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Thumbs down on this info. If you want to make a point -- put it in perspective. Human beings impact the planet. We are now dependent on power. So, where is the balance between source?

It's a child's game to list the negative impact on nuclear because the data is so well-documented, and there are so very many well-paid groups supporting power generation by oil and gas. 

Without the balance, without cost-comparison, to the environment at a minimum, you are making issues compared to nothing.. 

For example, the new fad, fracking:

From rolling Stone Magazine: … overnight, fracking's technological miracle was recast as the next great environmental menace.

The New York Times documented how gas drillers were dumping millions of gallons of irradiated wastewater loaded with toxic chemicals into rivers and streams, largely without regulatory oversight.

Although I find interest in ZeroHedge, there are timmes when I wonder if this site simply sells gold and oil.

Sorry dudes, I think you need a rest and a mission statement. Otherwise, you tend to seem paranoid or resemble a profitable interest.

Take a second look.

 

 

 

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:24 | Link to Comment Hagbard Celine
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it's bugging me a little. One of the reasons I come here is because I recognize how little I know about global finance and geopolitics and such. This place seems like an interesting one to hear news I don't see in the m.s.m. and learn more in depth about it by reading the commentary.

 

But, then I get to something I actually know something about (I'm an environmental engineer by trade who's current job it is to help clean up radioactive contamination in the decommissioning of old nuclear power plants... know people who come and go to Fukushima right now, etc. etc.)

... now, I see just how insanely ignorant most of these comments can be, and it calls into question all of the other comments I scan on things like QEx

 

< I welcome the -1's. please. continue to confirm my suspicions >

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:36 | Link to Comment akak
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I am not necessarily disagreeing with you (the ideologically-driven deniers of global warming here [note that I do NOT say "anthropogenically created"] prove your point, in spades), but you would make a much better argument if you gave specific points on where the posters you decry are wrong instead of just leveling a general broadside at them.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:32 | Link to Comment Hagbard Celine
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Regular ignorant would be all the people that don't understand about dose over time, and that concentration matters. And that maybe when an 'industry insider' quoted in some previous comment says that it's the worst disaster ever, that that doesn't mean that the entire planet is about to die.

 

But, going back a couple of hours and grabbing one comment that isn't just random for the sake of trying to be entertaining, we have this bit of sarcasm...

 

No worries.  The nuclear industry assures us that mankind is too puny to affect our natural global environment in any meaningful way.  Besides, radiation is naturally occurring.  It cannot be bad for us to add extra radiation to the environment, because radiation exists anyway.   There is no quantity of radiation that mankind is capable of producing that could harm us.  The earth is too big and the ecosystems too complex.  The radioactive seawater measured here is likely the result of sunspots spewing extra radiation onto the planet.

 

... ignoring the sarcastic attempt at strawman reasoning, the summary included with the pretty picture at the top of the page even puts it in all caps that this is not a picture of radioactive sea water. I find it odd that the first sentence I saw when glancing at the picture doesn't seem to have been noticed by the people like this quoted commenter and many others. This is what I would call insanely ignorant...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:57 | Link to Comment The Heart
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"....know people who come and go to Fukushima right now, etc. etc.)"

Hio HC,

So ah, what do these folks say about the disaster there?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:17 | Link to Comment Hagbard Celine
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They say it's all fucked. I don't think there's much worry about Tokyo or the rest of the island, but the more immediate surroundings of the plant are in a bad spot... of course, when it was happening, it could have gone much worse. I was talking to one guy who was working out the math for what would happen if the fuel in the pool lit on fire and just how much contamination would spread downwind. Not a pretty thought.

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 21:17 | Link to Comment Axenolith
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Dude, I've been a registered Geologist in the environmental field for 20+ years.  ZH rocks the financial world, but when the enviro topics come up I just have to take a chill pill or my head would explode.  The worst aspect of it, on any site, is that if you try to wade through the hours of constructing a cogent counter point, the response inevitably is that you are a tool of some interest or another.

Remember the Cassini BS?  I spent about 6 hours researching and then laying out how it would take approximately 95 million tons of plutonium, even dispersed, to exceed the LD50 for it in just the 1st 1 foot of atmosphere over the surface of the planet, and that that was about 7 orders of magnitude over that which was ever produced.  That was pissing in the wind against the a) it's going to ignite Jupiter, b) fuck up our sun or c) It will kill all life on earth claims...

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 08:05 | Link to Comment mholzman
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Hagbard, I agree with you completely. I am here for the exact same reason, and have the same questions when this issues are more familiar. Thks for adding. 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Jacks Nipple
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So, like the article said, this is not scientifically provable radioactive concentration, This is some marked plankton simulation. 

I thought you would have stuck to the real, provable news tyler.

It is a cool looking pic though. My new desktop.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 01:20 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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'struth. Really nothing more than 'fun with computers'. Still, I'd wager that even you're not going out of your way to source Matsukawa-Ura Bay for the fresh seafood on your table.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 22:15 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Going Far? Ok. As in ( sgd)?

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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If I'm hearing you clearly: peel back eyelids? vs which paper thingy; one and all? Goin into Mon on a 'reverse forecast' slightly long poo... she looks great out of the gates (knocks on wood), see you after the first mile. And thanks for the consideration.

"Goin to run all night, goin to run all day. Bet my money on a bobtail nag, I did it my way."

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:59 | Link to Comment The Heart
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Hello Mr. Nipple,

Have you seen this article?

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/03/08/increasing-number-radioactiv...

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Sat, 03/17/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment PulpCutter
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Have to love the way Jack is getting voted down, for mentioning the truth. 

The truth is irrelevant and not wanted in today's rightwing American poltical "conversation".

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 15:19 | Link to Comment besnook
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excellent presentation on the tsunami debris field. the other disaster.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHJK5ISKR2Q&feature=related

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment nothing can go wrogn
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Thank you for continuing to cover this. As an industry insider from Areva said "we're witnessing one of the greatest disasters in modern time.” I would ammend that to "the greatest disaster."

Seals in Alaska are starting to die off now. The pacific ocean has become the largest nuclear waste holding pond in the world. NOAA said it's "probably not from radiation." Yeah...they were a big help during the BP disaster too.

Sick Alaska Seal Shows Possible Spread of Disease

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/sick-alaska-seal-shows-spread...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:34 | Link to Comment logicalman
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If anyone thinks 'dilution is the solution' they obviously miss the fact that the food chain re-concentrates all the nasties - the higher up the chain, the worse it gets. As humans are fairly high up in that chain, they will suffer most.

If you still believe dilution is the solution, lets try an experiment....

I'll give you a barrel of water and start pissing in it.

Let me know when you will refuse to drink it.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:50 | Link to Comment suckerfishzilla
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That's not a fair analogy.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:00 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Interesting, is this experiment akin to the lion's share of adults preferring cow's milk to mothers' milk in their coffee?

I wouldn't ask, but for the sake of argument let's say we take a fresh barrel of water, and I start dumping fish/bird and other animal excrement into it, at what concentration would you decide you've had enough? 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:40 | Link to Comment logicalman
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I try to avoid cow juice these days due to hormones and antibiotics - raw is good (I used to spend a lot of time on a farm) but hard to come by.

The point is, and I think you missed it, I don't like drinking contaminated ANYTHING.

You obviously agree with me, but you are too blind to see it - the species from which the contamination comes is irrelevant.

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 23:19 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Hell yes we agree. I just thought you might have taken my 'dilution is the solution' comment as less (more?) than sardonic, and was lightly giving you the gears accordingly. Maybe that was wrong, but I've yet to feel any remorse about it. 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 21:30 | Link to Comment steelhead23
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I would sooner drink your piss than the water pouring out of Fukushima.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:46 | Link to Comment suckerfishzilla
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Tumors bitchez!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:52 | Link to Comment suckerfishzilla
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Pacific albacore is on sale!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:06 | Link to Comment Darkness
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Awesome comment.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Is giant Manta Ray on the sushi list? Those sneaky Japs are at it again!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:17 | Link to Comment widget
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We're lucky fish don't migrate

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:26 | Link to Comment logicalman
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We're even luckier that radiation isn't dangerous!

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:27 | Link to Comment logicalman
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We're even luckier that radiation isn't dangerous!

Unintended double post.

If it was a bit later I'd blame the beer!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 21:45 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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This is a tragedy.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 23:51 | Link to Comment Ultros88
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In order for glacial areas to exist the water must first arrive at those places before being frozen, and that takes heat. The heat balance between equatorial regions where water evaporates and the poles and higher altitiudes where it freezes will determine whether or not there will be an actual ice-age and large ice-covered regions or not. Strange that an ice-age initially requires higher temperatures in order to build up perenniel snow deposits, but true. The large reflective surfaces would then serve to reduce temperatures and keep them lower than at previous times.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 01:48 | Link to Comment cnhedge
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this tragic event will have consequences.
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Sat, 03/17/2012 - 05:35 | Link to Comment Clashfan
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The ice age is coming, the sun's zooming in
Engines stop running, the wheat is growing thin
A nuclear error, but I have no fear...

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