• Knave Dave
    05/23/2016 - 18:16
    This past Thursday marked the one-year anniversary of the US stock market’s death when stocks saw their last high. Market bulls have spent a year looking like the walking dead. They’ve...

Retail Participation In The Stock Market Is So Horrendous That...

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... Groupon is now offering a 97% off "four day online stock-trading course." While not nearly as big as the discount we have all grown to expect from Whitney Tilson's Value Investing Congress, this offer demonstrates just how much interest the retail investing public has regarding stocks. And why any administration, whether the current or the future one, that believes it can delude the general public into ignoring the broad economy and focusing only on the Russell 2000 as proof of "how good it is" will have its work cut out.

h/t hopeless for change

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Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:03 | 2691680 The trend is yo...
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siting at starbucks drinking 6 dollar coffee, unemployed people will trade stocks on their igizmo trying to pay for lunch

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:06 | 2691697 Skateboarder
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I read Graham's "The Intelligent Investor" to learn about markets.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:08 | 2691706 Thomas
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How's workin' for ya? I'll tell you, the only reason I don't leave the entire investing world is that I would then be long the dollar, and THAT would suck.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:12 | 2691713 camaro68ss
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These must be the same classes RoboTrader takes.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:20 | 2691743 AldousHuxley
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retail is in bonds.....


boomers are afraid and running out of time till retirement.


can't afford to lose 10-20% of principal for 2-3% premium.


not enough risk premium for equities


better do another QE.



Thu, 08/09/2012 - 16:11 | 2692089 MillionDollarBoner_
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Sorry...I'm new to this...can you help me out with some of those technical terms?

"retirement" - wassat?

"risk premium"...whats one of those and where can I find one?



Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:55 | 2691853 A Lunatic
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Where is Robo anyhow? I'm beginning to worry that perhaps he was one of the billboard dummies.......

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:06 | 2691876 dark pools of soros
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gotta love that BUY BUY BUY graphic


they make up the 97% by getting greater fools to buy their penny stocks...  how's that SYNC play doing NIA?????

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:25 | 2691919 Papasmurf
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"These must be the same classes RoboTrader takes."    Robo is the instructor.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:11 | 2691714 Pladizow
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And I hear there is a basement casino in Harlem with excellent security!

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:12 | 2691718 kito
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you are long the dollar so long as you transact your day to day affairs with it, including investing.....................makes not a bit of difference...........

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 20:31 | 2692689 StychoKiller
Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:20 | 2691749 vast-dom
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they need to go NIRP and pay you to attend this crap! I can't fucking wait for the R2K to fucking tank!

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:14 | 2691725 financial apoca...
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you caaan do it!

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:19 | 2691740 dracos_ghost
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Way too much.


Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:58 | 2691857 CPL
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If they paid $49 I would sit and listen...I wouldn't buy though.  Treat it like those timeshare presentations that get your parking validated with a dinner and a show.  Killing time in florida.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:31 | 2691950 rlouis
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If you order on an i-phone it's $57.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:39 | 2691810 FreedomGuy
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I am not a professional trader but I enjoyed mutual funds and some stocks from the 1980's on. I do not know how anyone trades anything in this market. The markets are fully government manipulated, both publicly and secretly. How can you make any decisions when the next headline or statement from some EU drone may wipe you out?

It is not so much based on anyone's P/E's anymore but what the Fed or the EU or what some Prime Minister says. Your smart trade in buying Acme, Inc. will get wiped out by the tsunami movement as everyone liquidates at robo-speed with the latest bad news from Greece. You sell just as Draghi promises to save the day and causes a huge two day rally.

So, the guys at Starbucks may not be all wrong. The market to me is worse than Vegas. At least in Vegas I know the exact odds of every bet at the craps table and I can control my risk. The tax forms are easier, too.

I suggest giving up trading and working on your Texas Hold 'em.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:08 | 2691880 dark pools of soros
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Amazon.....200 PE and Beyond!!!!!

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 16:01 | 2692066 Bobbyrib
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You get free drinks in Vegas too.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:04 | 2691682 Confundido
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Does anyone know a country that on its way to high inflation would have not lost its capital markets? Exactly! In fact, the destruction of capital markets -above all, the destruction of the futures markets- is the proof, that the doors open to high inflation first and hyperinflation in the end. 

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:27 | 2691765 Quinvarius
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Most muppets cannot understand massive market destroying volatilty is what it looks like when hyperinflation starts to take hold or that no one can do business in that environment.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:05 | 2691684 Precious
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"Attention muppets."

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:05 | 2691685 Dr. Engali
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It won't be long before Groupon is trading at a 97% discount to it's IPO price.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:22 | 2691747 Precious
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... and Pincus will be on Oprah ... (the show)

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 09:57 | 2693891 dannyboy
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Ba dum dum tss.

Well played Engali.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:05 | 2691689 mammoth mo
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97% off a course that will lose you 90% of everything you have.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:07 | 2691699 Thomas
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Yup. What's not to like?

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:08 | 2691704 Precious
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No "have" necessary.  They take Visa.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:09 | 2691696 dead hobo
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How long would the payback be on that if you followed their advice? Do they teach any laptop or android algos? It sure would be nice to make money with my Xoom tablet.  I use comcast for my internet. Will that be fast enough?

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:26 | 2691763 ParkAveFlasher
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HFT app for iPhone?  Brilliant.  You better trademark that.  Seriously.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 10:52 | 2694082 short-swap
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Heard AT&T has 4G-HF coming soon. Alas, not for Verizon though.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:29 | 2691943 gregga777
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Sure. Plenty fast for them to fleece you out of every last penny before your choco-mocha-latte has even started to cool one degree Celsius. Why, I bet they could empty your account before you could even blink. Is that fast enough for you?

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:11 | 2691698 Christoph830
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Does it really take four days to teach someone how to operate a slightly glorified slot machine?

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:13 | 2691896 gregga777
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Yes. There really are people that dense. That is why they take up politicking for a living. You can honestly not be lying if you are too stupid to realize that every line on the TelePrompTer is either a lie or a "damn" lie.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:07 | 2691700 jackinrichmond
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i used to like to do about a dozen trades per month..  not any more.  i'm out of the markets and out of paper assets.

i am boycotting the markets until they make HFT's pay per trade (like me) and i am not risking my money until i see some perp-walks..  

the markets have become a giant wealth extraction system and i refuse to be a victim of it.


Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:22 | 2691752 slewie the pi-rat
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hey, jack!

when i get my ass kicked, i don't like to talk abt it either

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:24 | 2691921 Larry Dallas
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Why do i have a hunch that your Asian? Not being racist, just am I right or wrong.


Nevermind, I don't think you'd tell us anyway.

Yours Truly,


Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:31 | 2691783 Northeaster
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"account has been closed" -

Great decision for me, all cash now.

Of course, I'm not talking millions, but there are fund fiduciaries claims they're better than everyone else, I don't see it. Then there are those who always throw:"You missed the best rally of all time!" Maybe so, but if I can't physically access it with my own hands, I just no longer trust "them" and/or my own government. At my level, I can't afford to be wiped out or have my assets stolen from me.

My solution? No risk.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:03 | 2691867 CPL
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Exactly, it is the protective reaction of those that save for a rainy day, a perfectly sensible one at that.


The trader's third position of no trade.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 18:37 | 2692406 smlbizman
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as i watched the clowns the other day on comedy cent...i mean cnbc, that were jumping for joy that cash is dead and it is so easy to just keep it digital.....so we are almost to the point were cash wont exist...so the uniformed or  as their defined in websters ...{n} sheepish uptherectus...will not have anything under their mattress and will feel very secure in knowing their lifetime wealth is right in front of them on their digital screen....and i think tptb will be happy with the percentage of digital savers compared to the crazy out of the box metal savers....

and over the last 2 yrs. my wife and myself withdrew our self directed iras...took the exit fucking and now have a portfolio of dirt and metals...

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 18:18 | 2692379 smlbizman
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jack, does the 3 day settlement apply to hft? or does the three day rule just apply to the individual fool?

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 21:14 | 2692777 jackinrichmond
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i fail to understand why the humans pay to trade and the robots don't..  i think the same rules should apply to all traders.

the whole concept of spoofing trades and front running is repulsive to human traders.  its like a parasite in the system.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:08 | 2691705 LoneStarHog
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Shit! For half that I can get an indepth course from a damn cheap prostitute on the process of getting F__KED!

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:06 | 2691874 gregga777
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And have a mighty fine time in the process, too! Especially if you double down and procure a fine pair of the, ah, "ladies" to double your practice session. Because, practice makes perfect!

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:08 | 2691707 bnbdnb
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I think I'll save my money and buy shares of Groupon. I mean...uh...nm.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:09 | 2691708 govttrader
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This is whats great about the bond market...most of the large trades are humans...not machines


Thu, 08/09/2012 - 17:41 | 2692288 Ness.
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CME Interest Rate Products.


Globex vol - 3,234,258

Open Outcry vol - 16,320


Did you forget the /sarc?

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:11 | 2691712 Catullus
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Buy low, sell high. Always split aces. And a stop order is an invitation to get fucked by an algo.

There you go. Free.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:10 | 2691884 dark pools of soros
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what about Insurance?  a good hedge?

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