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Revised Q3 GDP Drops By 20% To 2.0%, Misses Expectations Of 2.5% By 2 Standard Deviations

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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:41 | 1902073 ZippyBananaPants
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Does anyone really care about GDP?  All I know is that I can look at Becky Quick instead of that horse-face Michelle Caruso-Cabrera. 

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:13 | 1902208 Don Birnam
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" 'Zippy Banana Pants.' I kinda' like that name. Thank you for the compliment, Zippy ! I always love hearing from one of my three viewers."


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:21 | 1902241 Jay Gould Esq.
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The three: Zippy, Buffett, and - I need some help on the third. RobotTrader ?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:01 | 1902389 ZippyBananaPants
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Please don't take my words out of context.  I said look at, believe me, the volume is muted.  I might listen to Bloomberg radio during the day, but the idiots on CNBC, no way. 

I was just getting tired of seeing horse-face strike a pose every morning.  At times it was frightening.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:40 | 1902564 therearetoomany...
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It's hard to tell what Becky is saying since she has Warren Buffet's c*ck so far down her throat. 


Was that out of line, ummm, sorry.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:59 | 1902833 cbxer55
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You really think he can still get it up?

Guess he took the blue pill.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:44 | 1902084 qussl3
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Too bad the price index came in as expected.

Otherwise, we'd be hyperventilating about the QE3 trade by now.

Well there's still the FOMC minutes to keep that hope alive.

Gotta keep the no crash DEC tradition alive.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:48 | 1902105 GeneMarchbanks
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'Gotta keep the no crash DEC tradition alive.'

First time for everything.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:47 | 1902096 imsaul0968
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:55 | 1902136 WonderDawg
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You lost all credibility when you said "stocks follow the economy". Stocks do not follow the economy, they are a leading indicator of where the economy is going. Try again.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:02 | 1902171 fuu
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I think he lost all credibility when he said the following as his second and third post ever:

"I totally agree. Im actually amazed by all the conspiracy theorists out there. Bottom line, GS people(and I know many) are smart, savy, strategic and very forward thinking. I only wish I had the info they have when dealing with client orders. Theyre job is to deliver products their clients want, then they reduce the risk they have as a firm to those positions and hopefully, leverage this knowledge into investments that will benefit the firms shareholders, employeee's, and clients.  All this anti-GS talk just wreaks of jealousy from people that don't have enough money to be a GS client. There I said it!"



Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:06 | 1902183 WonderDawg
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I missed that, but yes, that would be enough to lose credibility right out of the gate.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:34 | 1902293 bbq on whitehou...
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"Bottom line, GS people(and I know many) are smart, savy, strategic and very forward thinking."


These guys are the same kind of guys you will find at any used car lot. The same. They are not smarter or even vary fond of thinkng unless its how to get their numbers up.

Either your a mark or they will brag about how stupid their marks are. 

Thanks for the morning laugh.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:09 | 1902401 slewie the pi-rat
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kick his ignorant ass, fuu!

the styoooopid troll won't STFU and is really testing the zeroHeads to see how many are brain-dead and will "register" to use his site

the very model perfected by ORI for his bosses and handlers--just pretend you're operating on faceFuk and make new "friends" who (like falak penis for ORI) will then act like you're cool and give you green arrows for cover while doing their own promotions, too (like falak penis and his fuking book hype)

like the celente trolls and most certainly celente himself, they have no respect for zH, it's freedom, and why it is what it is, today.  they will do anything for personal publicity and to increase their web-site traffic;  that is their only reason for being on zH! 

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:54 | 1902817 fuu
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I <3 you sir!

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:10 | 1902425 SHEEPFUKKER

The reason it is a leading indicator is because large players that have access to information that you don't are making bets and moving the market.  If you look at it that way, it becomes clear that it is just gambling and not investing. 

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:05 | 1902180 MillionDollarBonus_
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Do you invest in financials and retail stocks? I have been investing in these sectors without much luck and could really do with some expert advice.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:07 | 1902190 WonderDawg
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Ask me, I invest in retail stocks. In fact, my March puts on Lulu are looking very good right now.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:18 | 1902231 Manthong
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Government bonds... investments in the unemployed and toxic asset sectors are growth opportunities.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:47 | 1902098 papaswamp
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Q3 debt grew by $447 Billion....Q3 GDP grew by $169 Billion. That is all people need to know about the 'health' of the US economy.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:57 | 1902145 MFL8240
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This is good, ...right? 

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:03 | 1902174 Cdad
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I thought GDP did not matter.  J. Cramer just said "buy and hold."  


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:07 | 1902188 Cdad
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Never mind.  J. Cramer has returned to totally incomprehensible commentary.  From "think long term" to "Euro bank failure" to "hyperinflation and buy gold."

The guy obviously needs Zanex injections every ten minutes.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:27 | 1902264 Jay Gould Esq.
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I haven't access to a televison at present. Is a Post-it note with the letters "FMCN" affixed to Cramer's forehead ?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:58 | 1902152 Tsar Pointless
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Nice numbers. The bigger one is larger than the smaller one, isn't it?

"Hey everybody! I have melanoma of the skin, lupus, gonorrhea, tuberculosis, herpes, cystic fibrosis, hypertension, cataracts, and diabetes, but I don't have a cold, so I'd say I'm pretty fucking healthy, bitchez!"

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:09 | 1902196 JustObserving
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It is easy to get positive GDP by just adjusting the CPI.  The lower we make it, the higher growth we have. And COLAs are lower too. Everyone wins except the truth.

And you may want to throw in the $1.5 trillion increase in unfunded liabilities which are politically impossible to elimminate.

With debt and unfunded liabilities growing so much faster than a massaged GDP, it is a wonder that everyone is rushing to the safety of US treasuries.  More Bizzaro than Bizzaro world.


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:16 | 1902222 Don Birnam
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+1, Papaswamp. +1.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:48 | 1902101 transaccountin
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steve lies-man said its ok

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:50 | 1902111 The Axe
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Personal income sucks...people keep dipping into savings to spend.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:54 | 1902131 MFL8240
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Green shoots!!  Sure!

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:55 | 1902135 youngman
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Its hard to invest when the Government statistics are so wrong....this change from 2.5% which is almost growth to 2% which is still recession depression...is a big change....that run up in the stock market was on bad data....and people are going to lose money now because of it...all for a politicans speech

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 09:56 | 1902142 lizzy36
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Last decemeber Goldman welcomed the recovery with a forecast of 2011 GDP @ 4% and a 10year @ wait for it............3.75%.

Perhaps there was a typo and they really meant the 30 year?

Of course i mock but they got 7 figures for that dart throwing exercise.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:01 | 1902162 Tsar Pointless
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Using your avatar as fodder for my comment, consider that Goldman Sachs always plays the part of Lucy, setting up the football for Charlie Brown - i.e., the Amerikkkan people.

Then, Lucy does what she always does when Charlie Brown runs up to kick the football.

Works every time.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:28 | 1902267 IrritableBowels
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:00 | 1902159 spanish inquisition
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"Santa has left the building"(his sleigh is empty). Inventories down, baltic dry down 20% ish y/y for October, presales since October stripping off the holiday sales. You can't sell what you dont have or what everyone already has and is not needed. No inventory here on which to build a santa rally...The best you can do is revenue increases from that thing we dont have.... starts with an I ...Inflation!

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:08 | 1902181 Village Smithy
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First he shone some light on the 60 billion per year squatter's rent situation, now he goes against the grain here. Ferolli is soon going to be out on the street. Maybe ZH should look at his resume. Oh, and it looks like Joe Lavorgna is starting to read ZH, he's a little closer to actual this time.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:07 | 1902186 Ese Pinche
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Keep pushing the rope... f**k while its flacid... and more futile methods of stimulation.  GDP will not improve without growth "."  And that is something the world does not have (on a net basis) any longer.  Decade long Bear Btichez!

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:13 | 1902213 LawsofPhysics
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Still working on that economic model for infinite growth in a world with finite resources?  Good luck with that.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:14 | 1902217 Stax Edwards
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:41 | 1902313 dwdollar
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As if the GDP number was bullish to begin with. When was the last time real (inflation adjusted) GDP was positive? Anyone?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:31 | 1902513 slewie the pi-rat
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not sure, ok?

methinks it might have been 4Q'10 or 1Q'11

just b4 the tsunami and fuk_u, basically, IMO

actually, with the *inflation* numbers = bullshitskie, there is probably little agreement, but i think we have been negative for about 6 months, now, and w/ europa fully floundering in flanders, growth is highly problematic in the West

you won't hear that from the banksters, tho:  just "positive" numbers from their "e-CON-you-miss" forecasters who NEVER seem to use the words "nominal" and "adjusted" (except for a select & intelligent few, like Rosie)

ZIRP is inflationary and just b/c the HOT money in commodities has gone in on the short side we're s'posed to believe that the benzelbub and his bubbas have "got inflation under control" b/c these prices are being forced down, now, by the same mechanisms that pushed them up a relatively short while ago

jeeeez!  i may have been born at night, but...

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:24 | 1902724 FreeNewEnergy
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So, BTFD, right?

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