Revisiting The "Nuclear Option": Will The Fed Buy European Bonds?

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Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:15 | 1998667 MsCreant
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"Revisiting The "Nuclear Option": Will The Fed Buy European Bonds?"

Yes. Neeext!

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:18 | 1998683 redpill
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* but we won't find out about it until 2015 under a FOIA request

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:20 | 1998691 Divided States ...
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I think Occupy will go nuclear if that way we bailing those lazy ass Europeans, not over my dead body.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:22 | 1998704 MsCreant
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We, they, funny. We are all Ponzi scammers now, baby. It is all in the land of the absurd. Everyone is broke. They are printing and looking for a fiction that everyone will believe and let things go on as they have. 

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:39 | 1998771 redpill
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OT: Hitler was just informed about Ron Paul's latest polling results in Iowa:

That clip never gets old!

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:55 | 1999054 Banksters
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Now that was HILARIOUS!

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 00:52 | 2000082 trav7777
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with the ECB's balance sheet at 2.5T, how can we say they HAVEN'T been printing???

There just THAT MUCH debt out there needing rolled.  Doubling is like that.

75% of world debt is dollars, so it's up to the Fed to take care of that base.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 05:54 | 2000347 Mauibrad
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:43 | 1998793 clones2
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They've got balls of steel if they openly purchase Euro Bonds..

But I'm sure they have a "plan" :-) haha.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:48 | 1998809 DonnieD
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The Fed's balance sheet expanded by a few hundred billion today. They had to make a statement when BAC closed sub $5.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:00 | 1998848 CClarity
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Need to make Cindy Lou Hoo down in Whoville happy with a Santie Claus rally.  Print, need, print, need until more people "get it".

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:38 | 1998997 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The ECB's book is bigger than the Fed's....

I wonder if Ben has book envy

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:43 | 1998794 AldousHuxley
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Fed needs to short Euro banks, let them fail and profit for US.

Then also short US banks and let them fail along with Buffett's insider trader on BAC to profit for US and let bankster execs join th unemployment line.

Then short Chinese housing and let them fail along with communist party.


Relay the proceeds to US Treasury to pay off debt.


Any remaining profits are used to fund Ron Paul's presidential campaign.




Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:47 | 1998806 MsCreant
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If we put you in as the head of the Fed, would you do all this and then shut the fucker down?

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:52 | 1998823 Potemkin Villag...
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Huxley/Paul 2012

Casue then when Huxley passes too close to the book depository, we end up with Ron Paul as POTUS...

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:28 | 1998963 AldousHuxley
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if I shut it down, then all elites would have to do is to kill me and resurrect the Fed...for the 4th time in US.


I would introduce legal competitions to the Fed with multiple national currencies. I mean their power really comes from monopoly of monetary policy giving you no choice but to accept their failures and corruption.


Also divide up central federal power systems and divde them into smaller portions such as at the state and county level  so that government maintains representation ratio to the people. This is to prevent consolidation of power into fewer and fewer hands as populations grow. All this consolidation only benefit those at the very top as you can see from mergers and acquisitions as the top elites just grow the pyramid beneath them.


It is time to decentralize United STATES of America. We still don't have a good grasp of central governance. Time to go back to letting states develop their own ways and see what works. All we know is New York City banksters cannot be trusted.






Wed, 12/21/2011 - 05:42 | 2000343 zhandax
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All we know is New York City banksters cannot be trusted.

All we know is New York City banksters and all lawyers cannot be trusted.  There, fixed it for ya.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 19:09 | 1999267 Stoploss
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Were the last ponzi house left on the block. All the neighbors are falling apart fast. Now asia is going into a banking crisis. Perfect timing.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 05:48 | 2000345 zhandax
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Sounds familiar; you own a house in California?

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:28 | 1998731 GeneMarchbanks
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Oh yes you are. Occupy can go nuke-ular, the Teabaggers can go apeshit, it matters not.

BTW, should this occur I'd like to say to my American friends, Thank you and you will not regret this decision that the banking cabal made for you. Now back to democracy...

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:42 | 1998790 economics1996
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We already have.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 18:56 | 1999231 WhiteNight123129
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I think Germany would laugh its ass off so much, they would have a Schnapps party at the Bundestag and the Buba if that happens.


Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:20 | 1998694 MsCreant
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**and they already started doing it in 2008.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:45 | 1999021 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You talkin' 'bout Benny and Barney?  Or Benny and Barkey?  Or Barney and Barkey?  Or Bushy and Barkey?  Or Bubba and Barkey and Bushy?

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 19:42 | 1999338 MsCreant
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"Blarney" needs to be on your list somewhere. I'm talking about Blarney, the Ben-o-cide, tho.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:25 | 1998722 MillionDollarBonus_
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I have been suggesting this for many months now. I truly believe that this is the ONLY viable policy in the long term. Many US financial institutions have large exposures to European sovereign debt, and a default could seriously harm their balance sheets. The financial sector is a large part of our economy here in the US, so it is in our national interest that our Federal Reserve does everything possible to stabilize Europe. And if that means full-scale debt monetization, then so be it.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:32 | 1998745 mayhem_korner
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And if that means full-scale debt monetization, then so be it.


ROFL - the truth is so funny!  I'm picturing Ben, goggles and kneepads on, hovering two stories over a 10-foot diameter PRINT button with a big Keynesian grin on his face.  BANZAI!!!

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:56 | 1998836 Potemkin Villag...
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Yeah... speaking of BANZAI... I'm waiting for WB7 to come out with the foto of Bernanke, while saying he wouldn't monetize the US debt, with a thought bubble above his head thinking... "Ha!ha! I haven't said anything about Eurozone debt"...

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 06:02 | 2000350 zhandax
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Hey MDB, what do you think would happen if 'Many US financial institutions' were forced to follow centuries old practice in finance and their balance sheets collapsed and they were forced to file bankruptcy due to stupid risks taken on the supposition that the fed would bail them out?   I gotta hear your 'end of the world' scenario.....  Call an early morning committee meting; the ESF is good for the overtime.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:33 | 1998749 GeneMarchbanks
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You tell'em MDB! I'd much prefer this to being an Europeon.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:43 | 1998796 I got the Bull ...
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I agree with you. Provided the Governments of the Euro, wind back their socialist spending programs and restructure their Fiscal systems to ensure co-operation and restraint. If they don't the Moral Hazard will break the Fed in the future.

The economy was starting to recover, although at low interest rates. Recall the European fiasco broke the market recovery. Retirees view their wealth based on their 401K health. Poor health means less spending and a wind back in business investment.

Solving the Euro problems is the first step in the crisis. Adopting Fiscal restraint and bureaucratic efficiency is the next. Adopting modern energy solutions and infrastructure rebuilding is the final step (New Deal 2.0)

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:06 | 1998859 hedgeless_horseman
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The economy was starting to recover, although at low interest rates.

I call Bullshit.  US Treasury auctions were coming under real pressure.  That is why the USA attacked the Euro. 

The Fed isn't going to buy any significant European debt.  That would be aiding and abetting the enemy.  This is just more psy-ops to loosen Europe's sphincter for the Eurobond suppository.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:15 | 1998917 GeneMarchbanks
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'The Fed isn't going to buy any significant European debt.'

What's significant?

'That would be aiding and abetting the enemy.  This is just more psy-ops to loosen Europe's sphincter for the Eurobond suppository.'

Who exactly is the enemy now? You realize the Eurobond simply cannot happen within the next couple of years at least? Here is a question: What can be done more covertly, the Fed buying Euro-feces or Europe getting a common Treasury Dprt?

With all the shit the Fed has gotten away with in the last, oh let's say thirty years, I'm not sure the answer is clear.


Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:26 | 1998951 hedgeless_horseman
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You realize the Eurobond simply cannot happen within the next couple of years at least?

Come now, Gene.  All the hard work has already been done. 

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 19:02 | 1999249 WhiteNight123129
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You are both wrong on the enemy. The enemy currency is a non fiat currency from Asia that is innocuous and quite for now. It is not Gold (exactly) though.


Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:44 | 1998797 GMadScientist
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Why not assess the core problem and eliminate the real threat to their balance sheets: their boards and executives!

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:05 | 1998867 True.North
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If the Fed monetizes and the collateral becomes insufficient, can we instate a VAT tax on these countries and treat them like colonies?


Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:25 | 1998949 eatthebanksters
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So the Fed loans more money to groups that owe them more than they can afford to repay...hmmmm...why not just loan all the people on main street the money.  When the little people have their debt reduced and balance sheets strengthened don't you think they will satrt spending agian and perhaps stimulate economic growth?  Oh, that's right, but if the Fed does that then Jamie Dimon and his big bank (who won't lend to Main Streeters), along with the other TBTF banks, won't be relevent or neccessary anymore...and god forbid, he couldn't make his $30 million a year fucking people.  (I don't have any problem with someone making bazillions honestly...I just hate crooks).  Time to resetthe system.  Anyone want to get their guns and protest in front of the Fed with me?   I hear the black helicopters again!

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:27 | 1998959 Teamtc321
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Yawn MDB, now I'm going to go make you a hot lunch and leave you a napkin. 

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 18:59 | 1999238 WhiteNight123129
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LOL, cut the crap will you...?

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:38 | 1998775 RMolineaux
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Are they going to buy Israel bonds next?

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 17:04 | 1998865 Sam Clemons
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Seems obvious.  The whole existence of all central banks depends on keeping the Ponzi scheme going.  They will do whatever it takes to keep the show going.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 22:26 | 1999789 Milestones
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I disagree! If the EURO fails, the entire idea of a one world currency fails--dramatically. Europe will collapse momentarily as will the USA and China. Two  to three years. Europe is THE linch pin of the Elites plan in my opinion. 27 Countries to manage into a world currency. I think that may well be the push in the middle east--try and herd those cats and make them into sheep-- a commonality of some sorts. That will also fail.

Then there is 1913. If I am not mistaken their 100 year lease(?) runs out on the FED in 2012. Renewal of that may be the start of a civil war right here in River City. The Boyz may well be rushing this thing due to time constraints. Maybe they'll just settle what they have looted, but I doubt it.

Man, there are enough theories to float a Barnum and Baily Circus with a full Carney runway.        Milestones

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:15 | 1998669 hugovanderbubble
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Can the ECB be in default? YES

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:16 | 1998671 Gubbmint Cheese
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they will do whatever pushes the stock markets up.. f*ing whores.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:17 | 1998675 mayhem_korner
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If this was George H.W.'s watch, it would be the "new-cue-ler" option.

BTW, my answer is yes - it's advanced can-kicking, prevent-death-by-trade-deficit strategy.  Fed to merge with ECB, film at 11.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:17 | 1998677 kralizec
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Stupid is as stupid does...

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:18 | 1998681 MsCreant
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Has anyone explained the concept of Moral Hazard to Ben? Do they cover that in an Economics Ph.D. program?

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:41 | 1998784 RopeADope
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Moral Hazard does not have any easily measureable data points, it therefore must not exist.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 16:49 | 1998813 AldousHuxley
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moral hazard = bernanke


bernanke exists so moral hazard must exist

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