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Romney Catches Up With Obama Following GOP Convention: Reuters Poll Has Candidates Tied

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Since the best theater is that whose 100% assured outcome is not absolutely obvious, Reuters/Ipsos is happy to advise the 47% or so of American eligible voters who will actually participate in the upcoming presidential election that following the GOP convention, Hurricane Issac and the Invisible Obama, Romney has managed to cut Obama's 4 point lead and is now neck and neck with the incumbent. From Reuters: "President Barack Obama enters an important campaign week tied with Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found on Sunday, leaving the incumbent an opportunity to edge ahead of his opponent at the Democratic National Convention. With the Democrats set to nominate Obama for a second term this week in Charlotte, North Carolina, the race to the presidential election on November 6 is all knotted up at 45 percent for Obama and 45 percent for Romney among likely voters, the survey found." Of course, this being America, all that is needed is for the Democrats to invite Jason Biggs to deliver the Eastwood counter, and Obama's victory will be assured.

From Reuters:

The findings were from the seventh day of a rolling online poll conducted for Reuters by Ipsos to judge voters' attitudes around the political conventions.

 

A week ago, a Reuters/Ipsos poll said Obama led Romney 46 percent to 42 percent. The Republican's own convention last week in Tampa, Florida, gave him a small boost, vaulting him into an even position with Obama but no further.

 

Now Obama, who is to accept the nomination on Thursday, is poised to get his own convention bounce. Ipsos pollster Julia Clark said she was confident Obama's numbers would improve during his convention.

 

"The fact that Obama and Romney are still tied signals to me that we're not going to see any sort of sustained bump for Romney," Clark said. "As we go into next week's convention, Romney will struggle to maintain even footing with the president - we'll likely see a shift back towards Obama."

 

While each candidate won overwhelming support from voters in his own political party, Romney was leading Obama among all-important independent voters by 33 percent to 28 percent, the poll found.

Naturally, since the US president is merely a figurehead, or an actor if you will, it is far more important if he or she is "likable", "eloquent" or "personable" - which is good: hopefully, by now nobody harbors hope that the next president will be able to do anything about America's crash course with the iceberg of mathematics and insolvency.

Republicans used their convention to play up the former private equity executive's family and personal life.

 

"To be honest the convention was pretty good for Romney," said Clark. "I think one of the big tests of the Republican convention was to make him more of a human, make him a little more personable, make him more likable. I think they succeeded there."

 

There has been no real movement in terms of candidate perceptions on any substantive policy areas such as healthcare, or even on which candidate is better in protecting American jobs. This underlines the notion that conventions are about style rather than substance, Clark said.

 

The poll suggested voters are waiting to hear what Obama has to say about the most pressing issue of the campaign, the U.S. economy and 8.3 percent unemployment.

 

The survey said 76 percent of Americans believe the country is on the wrong track and 73 percent have a similar belief about jobs in the United States.

 

On the president's signature issue of his first term, healthcare, 62 percent believe the healthcare system is on the wrong track. Obama led an overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system that Republicans deeply opposed.

 

Interest in the political conventions is high. The poll found 82 percent of registered voters have seen, heard, or read at least something about the Republican convention.

 

But this dropped to 73 percent among independents and 66 percent among non-aligned registered voters, those who are undecided about how to vote or who say they will not vote.

 

This suggests that the groups candidates most need to target are not yet engaging with the electoral process, Clark said.

Of course, those "groups" perhaps are the few left who still have access to bread, and thus are not in dire need of circuses. On the other hand, with food prices set to explode following yet more easing out of the ECB and the Fed, the cost of a loaf of bread will be so prohibitive, that the circuses better step up, if the status quo wishes to keep the electorate if not fat, then at least distracted.

 

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Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:24 | 2758319 Ahmeexnal
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Time to step on the gas pedal on that Choomwagon!

F O R W A R D ! !

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:33 | 2758355 AssFire
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The empty chair was lodged on the gas pedal by Bush. Now, over the cliff!

 

Isn't our best hope to Balkanize this bitch and move away from the centralized federal system??

 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:41 | 2758393 Aziz
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Forget Romney; I wanna know when reality is gonna catch up with Obama.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:12 | 2758488 ZerOhead
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FORWARD.

What a joke campaign slogan... sounds more like a command to the masses actually.

Unless of course Afghanistan was war "A", Iraq was war "B", Pakistan was drone war "C" and Iran will be war "D"...

Personally I'm AGAINSTWARD.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:12 | 2758503 francis_sawyer
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Let the baby hugging games begin...

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:27 | 2758517 ZerOhead
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Mitt might be wise to take a pass on the whole baby hugging/kissing thing...

http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/Joseph-Smith-was-a-Pedophile-Mormon-sources.

just sayin'...

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:40 | 2758582 Muppet Pimp
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Belgium has over 90% participation but no sitting government.  Not sure what to make of that.  They still don't have a government right?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:38 | 2758736 redpill
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Well if you vote in Belgium, most local restaurants give you extra mayo for your fries for FREE.  So, there's an incentive.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 18:53 | 2758862 Suraj Corominas
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They have compulsory voting... which doesn't seem to help either.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 22:42 | 2759278 flacon
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They probably voted for compulsory voting laws. Never underestimate the intelligence of the Belgian. 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:35 | 2759073 NumNutt
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FORWARD?  Wasn't that the last thing General Custer said as he led his men into the Little Bighorn river basin? 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:41 | 2758396 1100-TACTICAL-12
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When the government boot is on your neck, it does not matter left or right.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:05 | 2758474 Abitdodgie
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If you vote for Rommney or Obama , you should be tried for treason .

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 18:14 | 2758800 post turtle saver
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Well thank the Lords of Kobol I'm not voting for 'Rommney' this election...

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 23:00 | 2759301 StychoKiller
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Kodos it is, then! :>D

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 23:47 | 2759349 WezTheJuic
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So,

What are you going to do?

 

Pens,

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:55 | 2758447 Winston Churchill
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The States theoretically have that right.

Did not work out too well in 1861 though.

 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:01 | 2758466 HelluvaEngineer
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My public skool tot me that was all about slavery!

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:14 | 2758508 francis_sawyer
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They may have been right...

It's DEFINITELY about slavery since 1913...

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 23:50 | 2759356 WezTheJuic
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Ya,

 

Big Time. 

 

Pens,

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:13 | 2758670 Chuck Walla
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?????? ??????????!

 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:16 | 2758680 solgundy
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Channel Stuffing coming to NC

 

http://www.teaparty.org/article.php?id=4325

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 23:53 | 2759365 WezTheJuic
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It's a given.

 

Pens,

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:24 | 2758325 not fat not stupid
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Heads you lose, tails you lose

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:31 | 2758347 writingsonthewall
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OBAMNEY! OBAMNEY! OBAMNEY! OBAMNEY!

 

You're all fucked no mater who wins - even if superman won by a landslide - he couldn't stop the storm which cometh.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:59 | 2758461 dbomb12
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Quoting the great Gerald Celente "My freak is better than your freak"

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:13 | 2758507 foodstampbarry
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Celente is a hack. He endorsed the occupy filth and his predictions have the accuracy of a weatherman.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 23:43 | 2759343 Likstane
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...and he got pissed his gol got taken after preaching not to store it with crooks.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 06:01 | 2759567 Dr Benway
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Yeah but I loved his excuse for not following his own advice of physical possession; he was only temporarily storing it with crooks and didn't expect it to be stolen, you see.

 

Anyhoos the election is Kang vs Kodos.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:00 | 2758465 NewWorldOrange
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Barney Mittbama 2012!

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:09 | 2758492 williambanzai7
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AMERICAN FRANKENSTEIN

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:37 | 2758575 Pseudolus
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LMBFHAO...start the revolution without me.....one of your best

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:44 | 2758591 Duke of Con Dao
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funny.

but I still prefer my own CREATION, william. 

YouTube - "You Didn't Build That Frankenstein!' sez President Obama

...

what? was that like 26 minutes of Photoshop work? 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 18:08 | 2758790 Jendrzejczyk
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That sucked. What, was that 26 seconds of 3rd grade video edit freeware?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 19:56 | 2758982 skank
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YOU SUCK!

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 23:01 | 2759304 StychoKiller
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Debt Brutha always cracks me up! :>D

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:59 | 2758639 DosZap
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You're all fucked no mater who wins - even if superman won by a landslide - he couldn't stop the storm which cometh.

Yep, but I would like to choose the one I leave the bar with, and not at the last call closing with the Red lights.

We ALL have had a super dose of Exlax from THE ONE,plus he (Ramney) gets to blame the Bamster,nice change.

Personally if I am going to be continually Franked, I would like a change in partners.

We already KNOW what the #1 assaWHole has done, and has planned.................I prefer a different position,and potentially more time b4 the SHTF.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 01:36 | 2759441 WezTheJuic
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Well, the Americans can still run the odds.  They still have 34+ states confirmed for the third.   

 

Will 34 states in popular vote, win the election?

 

After all, what are those odds?

 

"Best prospect", that is.

 

It would Still, Slow, that direction.  How many independents will be getting in as well?

 

Then again, what do I know?

 

Yupp,

 

Pens,

 

AND STILL, IT STILL IS, Usually in plain sight.  Interesting on how those people are waking up to such facts.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:03 | 2758472 MassDecep
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Great propaganda!

Make sure those sheeple realize it's a close race and their vote really does count.

LOL, dumbass sheeple. Divide and conquer the masses.

Keep feeding the lies...

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:33 | 2758562 ArmchairRevolut...
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Polls are not meant to tell you what people are thinking; they are meant to tell you what to think.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:34 | 2759071 HardAssets
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yep, 'get out the vote' - - you could be the difference between the end of the country . . .

and the end of the country

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 22:33 | 2759266 Hugh G Rection
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The Turd Sandwich is good but the Diarrhea Soup is less filling...Hmmm, decisions, decisions.

Go Galt, don't vote, don't work, don't watch their bullshit or listen to their lies.  Starve the beast.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:29 | 2758339 Michael
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Paul supporter voters not tracked. Viruually all of them are voting for Obama or Gary Johnson to break the Matrix.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:38 | 2758380 TheSilverJournal
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Whoever Paul supporters vote for, it won't make a hoot of a difference in breaking the Matrix.

The only votes that make a difference are with wallets, feet, and putting shame on those who want to steal from others through central planning, debt, and money printing.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:07 | 2758485 NewWorldOrange
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True, and the entire Romney campaign smacks of controlled opposition anyway. But if I even bothered to vote, which I won't and I won't even register for that Dog and Pony Show -- I'd vote for Johnson just to say FU to the GOP. What I will do though is, now and then when blogging or talking to people, is SAY that I'm voting for Obama, or Johnson, just to say FUCK YOU to any wingnut idiot who's listening.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 03:11 | 2759491 Redhotfill
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Its TRUE!  I'm Voting for Gary Johnson.  I'm not trading in my debt brutha for a Magic Underwear Brother.   Besides to support Mittens is like affirming there is a difference between Douchebag and Turd Sammich!

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:28 | 2758330 Clowns on Acid
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Actually Romney up by 4%.

Monday, September 03, 2012

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 48% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns 44% of the vote. Two percent (2%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:38 | 2758383 myshadow
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rasmussen is a republican leaning post.  If you half their figures then you have a real sense of the race. 
That said, there isn't a media outlet that isn't owned by a republican or republican leaning corporation.  The real polling figures will always veer right.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:58 | 2758455 LMAOLORI
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Donations by Media Companies Tilt Heavily to Obama

snip

 

All the major media companies, driven largely by their Hollywood film and television businesses, have made larger contributions to President Obama than to his rival, former Gov. Mitt Romney, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit, nonpartisan Washington-based research group that publishes the Open Secrets Web site.

The center’s numbers represent donations by a company’s PAC and any employees who listed that company as their employer.

Even companies whose news outlets are often perceived as having a conservative bias have given significantly more money to Mr. Obama. Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation, for example, has contributed $58,825 to Mr. Obama’s campaign, compared with $2,750 to Mr. Romney. The conglomerate, which owns Fox News, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post and the 20th Century Fox studios, gave roughly the same amount to Mr. Romney’s Republican primary competitors Rick Perry and Ron Paul as it did to Mr. Romney.

snip

News Corporation has donated $504,162 to individuals, Super PACs and candidates in 2012, according to the Center for Responsive Politics’s OpenSecrets Web site. Eight of the 10 top recipients of that cash are Democrats. (Mr. Murdoch’s personal contributions largely favor Republicans, though his wife, Wendi Murdoch, has donated to Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a Democrat from New York.) 

In 2008, News Corporation contributed $380,558 to Mr. Obama’s campaign, compared with $32,740 to the Republican nominee John McCain.

Other media companies have contributed more significantly to Mr. Obama, including Time Warner, owner of CNN and the magazine publishing house Time Inc. The company, which is based in New York and also owns Warner Brothers and HBO, has contributed $191,834 to Mr. Obama in the 2012 election cycle, compared with $10,750 to Mr. Romney. The Walt Disney Company, owner of ABC and ESPN, donated $125,856 to Mr. Obama and $9,950 to Mr. Romney.

Philadelphia-based Comcast Corporation, owner of NBCUniversal and one of the biggest spenders in lobbying money in Washington, has given $206,056 to Mr. Obama and $20,500 to Mr. Romney.

in full

 

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/donations-by-media-companies-tilt-heavily-to-obama/

 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:57 | 2758456 Clowns on Acid
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Obama bot...anyone with a sense of recent electronic history recognizes that most "polls" lean left.

Rasmussen is the least left leaning.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:27 | 2758545 wee-weed up
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The MSM and all the polls told us in 1979 that Jimmy Carter was a shoe-in for re-election. Remember what happened to him? Obama will suffer the same fate.

"Hit the road, Jack!"

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:02 | 2758995 Overfed
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Except Mitt Ro-money sure as fuck ain't Ronald Reagan.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 22:28 | 2759255 akak
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Well, even Ronald Reagan wasn't Ronald Reagan.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 03:29 | 2759501 Clashfan
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Especially after that Bush family friend and a few others shot up his ride.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:28 | 2758331 boogerbently
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I'm not a fan of either, but how could ANYONE support BO, again?

Did they completely MISS the last 4 years?

Or is it STILL "Bush's fault" ?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:35 | 2758366 Too Much Finance
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Yes still Bush's fault, and also the corrupt dems and repubs in congress.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:36 | 2758375 writingsonthewall
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Are you really suggesting the gigantic steaming pile of shit (that's the economy) which Bush left was going to be cleared up in 4 years?

 

Jesus man - lower your expectations - be thankful Obama only started 1 war and it was a cheap one - unlike Bush who ran 2 of the most expensive campaigns in history - for nothing more than sand and a ghost hunt.

You can get rid of Obama - but nobody else is going to be able to solve this problem soon - you're in for another 4 years of dissapointment fella!

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:39 | 2758389 yochananmichael
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you mean the trillion dollar stimulus which was supposed to bring unemployment down to 4.5% if it passed and only to 6.5% if it didnt was a fraud?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:47 | 2758418 nmewn
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Pelosi calls it Fun-employment...the Light Worker that is The One just couldn't overcome her bug-eyed evil power...besides, he was busy making the oceans recede...lol.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:37 | 2759070 Michael
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It's all Nancy Pelosi's fault, and if she were running against Romney, I'd be voting for her.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:56 | 2758449 Clowns on Acid
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Pick out the Huff Post style Obama bot. More n more frequent on ZH. By election day they will be exponentially more of them all over the Internet.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:04 | 2758475 Convervative Co...
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“I will be held accountable,” Obama said. “I’ve got four years and … A year form now, I think people are going to see that we’re starting to make some progress, but there’s still going to be some pain out there … If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

- President Obama, Feb 2, 2009 in an interview with Matt Lauer

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:22 | 2758698 GeezerGeek
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That gigantic steaming pile, primarily the housing bubble and meltdown, actually dated back to Jimmy Carter and the Community Redevelopment Act. Others over the years added their straws to the load. Among those adding to the eventual misery was some relative unknown (in 1995) named Barack Obama. http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/03/with-landmark-lawsuit-barack-obama-pus...

Finally - with Nancy and Harry dictating what happened in Congress - the final straw was added that broke the camel's back. Bush is partially at fault because he didn't restrain the Pelosi/Reid fiasco, but not being a conservative made cooperation with them easy. There's plenty of blame to go around. Don't limit it to presidents, except those who blatantly ignore the Constitution.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:10 | 2759005 Overfed
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I count four new wars that we are involved in since '09. Not to mention a huge expansion of TSA, and DHS, a massive military buildup in the ME, Obamacare, indefinite detention, gunwalker, and so on.

Unfortunatley, Ro-money is just gonna give us even more of those things. Furthermore, I guarantee that within 6 months of the "election", we will see the first drone strike on US soil. Guaranteed. And the sheeple will grovel before the government and cheer them for keeping us safe from those evil terrorists that they created. Just like they thank them for providing the protections afforded by the TSA and DHS. Gawd, we're so fucked.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:09 | 2759008 Ms. Erable
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Funny, Iceland fixed their problem in less than 4 years. So you're saying that a black man can't fix a problem that whitey DID fix?

Leftards are so rayciss.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:40 | 2758386 myshadow
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yes

 

 

 

and the asshat republican wingnut congress hasn't helped.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:19 | 2758519 FL_Conservative
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Conveniently overlooking the fact that Obama had two years to operate with a Dem-controlled Congress, aren't we??  It really sucks that all he got done was a wasted trillion dollar stimulus plan that created few jobs (but blew BIG bucks), ObamaCare and Dodd-(fudgepacker)Frank.  Yep.  He focused on all the "important" causes first.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:05 | 2758656 nmewn
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He got exactly what he wanted in those two years...an ObamaTax on the young and healthy who didn't want insurance while ass raping everyone else who draws a paycheck to the tune of 700 billion dollars in Medicare, running the national debt from 10T to 16T and a pay back to all his donors on Wall Street.

He's a fucking disgrace.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:27 | 2758711 GeezerGeek
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Nor has the asshat democratic wingnut Senate, under the misguidance of Harry Reid, helped. Now that we've gotten meaningless adjectives out of the way, how exactly could the Republicans currently in control of the House do anything positive when they are only half of the legislature and can do nothing without the Senate? How could they have helped? Please tell me, I'm anxious to know.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 21:08 | 2759121 DosZap
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and the asshat republican wingnut congress hasn't helped.

True, but compared to Reid, and Pelosi, which do you prefer?.

We have one traitorous bstd, and another space cadet.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:42 | 2758403 nmewn
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Yep, still Bush's fault...and more than expected weather events combined with less than expected tsunami's...and wild bucking unicorns and pretty soon it'll all be crazy Uncle Joe's fault for not breaking them in.

I'm long saddles & Ben Gay ;-)

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:11 | 2758500 Michael
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Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:30 | 2758343 bob_dabolina
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Why is voter turnout so low in the US?

Because through experience the electorate has learned (rather painfully) that they are all fucking liars.

Voting Repub/Democrat is the like voting for the same shit in a different toilet.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:10 | 2758496 r00t61
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SSDD

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:23 | 2758535 earleflorida
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post-mortem absenteeism and a myriad matrix of shut-ins [convalescent's rule] that only a census can count, has always won an election before a carbon base even pulls a lever?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:29 | 2758550 Ima anal sphincter
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Voting Repub/Democrat is the like voting for the same shit in a different toilet.

Descriptive statement and oh so correct.

+1000

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:35 | 2758729 GeezerGeek
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Imagine how low voter turnout would be if the US made it harder for illegal or non-existent voters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqMVxeZhflI


Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:30 | 2758344 fuu
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<-- Election 2012, serious business

<-- Election 2012, theater business

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:18 | 2758510 Lore
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Reduced participation in the electoral pageant might be encouraging, as it suggests that more people have begun to think for themselves, cut through their programming, and ask real questions about how things really work, and (more importantly) why.

Does it mean the nation is ready for actual reform?  I think conditions have to get pretty miserable and the welfare state needs to be SEEN to have failed before the populace achieves critical mass of wakefulness and traditional values begin to re-assert.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 23:54 | 2759369 thecoloredsky
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Reduced participation in the electoral pageant might be encouraging, as it suggests that more people have begun to think for themselves, cut through their programming, and ask real questions about how things really work, and (more importantly) why.

But you know the media will spin low voter turnout due to adverse weather conditions, people too busy looking for jobs, too high gas prices, etc. Only way to determine if a certain amount of people have begun to think for themselves is the third party vote or an equivelant anti-establishment vote. For instance, RP got twice as many total votes during the primary from 2008. That is a concrete number to stand behind.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 02:33 | 2759469 Lore
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Consider the oxymoron: "anti-establishment vote." Voting is the authorized method for channeling and diffusing public protest in comfortable ways that serve the establishment. Lenin understood: "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." Chasing fringe votes seems futile except as an entertaining distraction.

Our society is racing toward a kind of critical mass of dishonesty. Look at Agenda 21. Look at our banks. All the globalist government initiatives are based on flavors of fraud. 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:31 | 2758345 magpie
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Europe will re-elect him.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:34 | 2758350 Heroic Couplet
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The 1% only have one vote when they step into a voting booth. The Republicans cannot say tax cuts create US jobs. Politically, they've shot themselves in the foot. The group to watch is unemployed Republicans. Are they going to vote Republican in November?

 

The Rothschilds own Reuters, so anything from Reuters is spin. RoMONEY did not release his tax returns, the Republican convention was a dud, Republicans can't say tax cuts create US jobs, and somehow Mitt is supposed to be "caught up"? Bullcrap.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:43 | 2758410 Clowns on Acid
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Obama bot...Romney has released his tax returns, why do you lie about it?

Obama has spent millions (taxpayer dolars?) on NOT releasing effectively any record about this life / performance, etc...

Do you see a difference? Did you watch the movie "2016" ? Now start trying to dispute facts. 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:29 | 2758469 nmewn
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But O'Barry doesn't give steel workers wives cancer!!!

//////////////////

Apparently, thats Jonathn Lavine...one of the guys running Bain Capital when GST Steel went tango uniform...and a top Obama campaign cash bundler that gave a steel workers wife cancer.

Huh...imagine that.

With all these landmines being strewn about someones bound to step on one...lol.

By the way, has the IRS contacted Senator Reid about HIS PERSONAL knowlege of "someone" telling him Romney didn't pay his taxes for ten years? Seems like they would...unless its...you know...ANOTHER LIE!!!

We either have an invasion of privacy here or tax evasion.

Just checkin ;-)

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:32 | 2758353 TheSilverJournal
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One Central Planner in office, or another. There's very little difference. 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:32 | 2758354 Winston Churchill
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Obamney 2012.

Bank REO.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:15 | 2758675 Vegamma
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Well played WC. You'd probably get more greens except some people think you were referring to a 1970s band.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:39 | 2758743 GeezerGeek
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REO Choomwagon?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 22:49 | 2759287 highwaytoserfdom
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No  Rombama 2012  Heck in 2002 the ABX was what 8c FED lent 83%  now 2012 I get my 2c worth on CDS and reserves are not lent but traded..     LOL      America spends more on yogurt than elections and at least half the population can use the yogurt to cure yeast infections.  Oh wait is this a Pussy Riot drone ofense? 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:32 | 2758356 mvsjcl
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The closer the candidates are in polling, the easier it is to manipulate the vote, the perception being it could go either way. Expect no landslides (popular vote) in the future. This way, the "vote counters" keep the eventual "winner" in line.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:50 | 2758428 Zero Govt
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+ 51%

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 23:40 | 2759341 tsx500
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i think your explanation helps (to me) explain why all the recent 'polls' (*cough*) have this 'election' (*cough*) as a virtual toss-up , while the REAL poll (Vegas) assigns Owe-blah-ma around a 61% probability of winning ...... 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:33 | 2758357 Too Much Finance
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The bookies still have Obama as the clear favorite.  It makes me wonder how accurate these polls are.  William Hill odds as of 9/3/2012:

Obama: 4/9 (.444)

Romney: 13/8 (1.625)

Ref: http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/g/9036/Presidential-Election-Specials.html

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:40 | 2758388 billwilson
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National polls don't matter. Only a few swing states do, and Romney is not doing well in these. Ryan will not be a big help in Florida say the legion of Medicare users.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:40 | 2758395 yochananmichael
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those voters know that Obamacare is stealing 718billion from Medicare.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:51 | 2758431 Clowns on Acid
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TMF - I have noticed that as well. It is anticipated that the election hinges on a few States (FL, PA, OH, WI, etc..).

I think that Wiliasm Hill and the other pro oddsmakers are seeing the ES stay at lofty levels, and are anticipating that the Fed will keep US assets afloat until after the election.

Wm. Hill et al, recognize that we in the US live in a parallellogram of a universe. Eveerything seems aquare, but people are beginning toi assume it's not. It just hasn't gone pear shaped ....yet.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:33 | 2758358 Motorhead
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Methinks a candidate's "numbers" go up right after a convention.  So, I would not be surprised to see Obama's numbers go up after the Democratic pep rally.

But what a pathetic couple of boobs going at it in November.

 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:34 | 2758360 ebworthen
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When I see people at these political rallies for either side I wonder how it is that they lived the past four years without recognizing the utter futility of politics to solve our problems.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:38 | 2758381 Zero Govt
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the Democrat halls are filled with welfare recipients, the GOP hall is the BBQ set for the military industrial complex

the real problem is not what they say on the pulpit to the public, it's all the under-the-table deals these 2 diseased dinosaur parties do in contempt of the public 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:34 | 2758362 Zero Govt
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"Reuters Poll Has Candidates Tied"

that's assuming this is a 2 horse race when in fact it's a 2 puppet-headed hydra with the same Wall Street carcass where their scrawny knecks join

Rothchild carrier pigoen, sorry Reuters, spins us a yarn (again)

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:23 | 2758703 Piranhanoia
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Rooter's is a mouthpiece for the Mafia, according to Rooter's front page stories.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:34 | 2758363 SOLnow
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How's this for a platform:

"Current Laws on All forms of Pornography and Obscenity need to be Vigorously Enforced"

So says the Republican Party Platform; and this leads me to questions I asked in 2004, when the Bush Administration called for a pornography crackdown.

More:  http://www.volokh.com/2012/09/03/current-laws-on-all-forms-of-pornograph...

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:41 | 2758397 Zero Govt
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if midget porn gets prosecuted just think, the SEC could be shuttered by Xmas ...they'd make good turkeys too

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:42 | 2758401 I am Jobe
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Mormons love Porn.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:43 | 2758407 I am Jobe
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Mormons love orgy's

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:53 | 2758441 Zero Govt
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well that settles it then, how do i join the Mormons, is there a fast-track membership?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:30 | 2758552 nmewn
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I'm in too...just don't tell my wife on that last one.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:33 | 2758557 Papasmurf
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They are expensive.  They require tything.  But I'm sure there's a way to hide your income off-shore.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:50 | 2758755 GeezerGeek
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Ask Harry Reid, since he became one of his own accord (not born into that faith). Or maybe ask Orrin Hatch. And what does it signify that Harry, Orrin and Mitt all have double consonants in their first names? Is it code for something occult? Does it indicate they are members of the Illuminati (note the double letters again!)? And is Barack Hussein Obama (double 's' in Hussein) covertly a Mormon? Wow, this can be fun if we don't take it seriously!

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 19:49 | 2758965 nmewn
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"Ask Harry Reid, since he became one of his own accord (not born into that faith)."

Nice.

But I didn't know Mormons accepted snakes into their religion. Ya know, when a snake swallows its tail it looks like an O ;-)

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:54 | 2758622 falak pema
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as long as they don't make their women clean toilets with a toothbrush, I have nothing against them per se.

Not like this other lot : Tom Cruise's Ex Claims Scientologists Forced Her To Scrub Toilets With A Toothbrush - Business Insider

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:52 | 2758759 GeezerGeek
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I think I had to do that during basic training in the USAF. Or maybe it was for a college fraternity. Too long ago. Can't remember. What was the topic again?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 19:53 | 2758973 nmewn
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Non-Taxed Dianetic Scrubbing Bubbles for the elites bidet's...your still on topic...one of John Travolta's maids uses it.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:34 | 2758364 robertocarlos
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Excellent Smithers.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:35 | 2758368 nmewn
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Boy, that Jason Biggs is one class act...I look Forward to it...lol.

That and a few more P Diddy threats should just about do it ;-)

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:36 | 2758373 Yellowhoard
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I'm going to vote for the asshole.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:42 | 2758400 Zero Govt
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plenty of choice there

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:29 | 2758551 Peter Pan
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If you are going to vote for an asshole just remember that the candidate with no haemarhoids will make a perfect asshole.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:22 | 2758696 OneTinSoldier66
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You mean you're going to flip a coin? Or throw a dart blindfolded?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:37 | 2758377 Debeachesand Je...
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I cannot wait until this 2012 Presidential Election is over.

 

That said: They will be talking about 2016 while they are still counting votes in the this Election.

 

 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:08 | 2758486 lizzy36
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Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush

The more things change ;)

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 18:03 | 2758781 GeezerGeek
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The thought of those two means I'll need a double before going to bed. Enough with these political dynasties. We need a rule that, once a president leaves office, all relatives are exiled to Uganda, or something. The only presidential relative I might have liked in office was Billy Carter. We could have had Billy Beer as the official drink back then.

As for the rest: one Kennedy was enough, or too much perhaps; one Bush was definitely too much; one Clinton was, uh, entertaining, but Hillary and Chelsea, please no. Fortunately, Obama's half brothers can't be president because their father wasn't a US citizen. Oops, did I say something I shouldn't have?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 18:25 | 2758818 delacroix
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mud wrestling  ?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:47 | 2759093 HardAssets
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Well if its a Mad Max World by then, we won't have to worry about 2016 elections.

There's always a silver lining.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:38 | 2758379 billwilson
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Romney - worst candidate in a generation  ... or maybe 5 generations. 

Obama is slowly destroying him in the swing states (national numbers don't matter) and Romney is doing everything in his power to fuck it up even more. Great idea having Clint come on Mitt!

GOP is left with old white southern rural less educated males as their lone demographic ... not the recipe for a bright future.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:52 | 2758440 Clowns on Acid
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Obama bots are more frequent on ZH here than ever....

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:12 | 2758502 drink or die
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There are quite a few Romney bots as well.  I'll be glad when November is over and things return to "normal" here ;)

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:40 | 2758394 A Nanny Moose
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<50%....yep tyranny of the minority alright. Looks like the majority are already wise to the farce that is voting.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:41 | 2758398 I am Jobe
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Same shitheads running the nation to ground. Only Sheeples will believe in crap and buy inot this.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:43 | 2758411 williambanzai7
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Baseball Mitt

BASEBALL MITT

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:47 | 2758600 Duke of Con Dao
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you're going the wrong way william. 

this took you about 19 minutes of Photoshop work, no? 

a little more sweat always makes a better product... (wink)

YouTube - MIDGET v. GIANT: You Didn't Build That, James Dean! says President Obama

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:59 | 2758636 ZerOhead
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Batshit crazy isn't complete unless Mitt is wearing his official Mormon magic underwear... you know... the ones with the Masonic logos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cbfgmorIGE

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:45 | 2758416 q99x2
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Always vote against the incumbent. Force the elite to pay two bribes.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:49 | 2758425 nmewn
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Now there's an idea ;-)

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:47 | 2758422 TWSceptic
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In belgium we don't care, we just have to go unless we want to be fined by our fine government. This graph is flawed.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:48 | 2758424 Squid Vicious
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Demoncrats automatically get northeast, west coast, and upper midwest... which is close to 250 electoral votes... makes it very tough for the rethugricans...

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:51 | 2758432 DavosSherman
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Our choices are shit or shitier.  

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:50 | 2758608 MFLTucson
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Your an asshole!

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:05 | 2758654 akak
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His an asshole?

I thinks that you dont grammar so good.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:51 | 2758434 syntaxterror
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We all know that the Market will be at an all-time high before election day. In fact, I'm guessing the jobs numbers on Friday will be the catalyst for the Hopium to kick-in full throttle. With 50% of the nation paying no federal taxes and/or on the dole, I think we all know who wins, don't we?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:51 | 2758435 HFinCA
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Most of those countries at the top of the list have COMPULSORY voting. It that what we need, every uninformed idiot casting a ballot just to avoid a penalty? Why do you think they are further down the slippery slope to the bottom than we are?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 18:09 | 2758794 GeezerGeek
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Communist countries always had voter turnout around 98 or 99%. Some people will do anything to avoid being shot.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:58 | 2758443 foodstampbarry
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Yes, indeed dems are running scared. I know we're fucked regardless of who wins but I just can't help but think of the warm feeling I'll get November 7th when I know communists across the country are crying in their morning cereal.

TEA 2012!

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:54 | 2758444 AnAnonymous
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In the US, even though the majority does not vote, the majority is still able to vote itself entitlements taken from the minority.
That is the miracle of democracy as described by 'Americans' and a common use of 'American' mathematics...

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:58 | 2758454 magpie
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Would this lead you to revise your statements about the "king class" ?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:05 | 2758480 akak
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In the twisted and hypocritical pretzel-logic of AnAnnoyingMouse, all prior statements and "facts" are infinitely flexible and reviseable as needed to deny any and all refutations made by other posters, as well as to automatically negate all subsequent facts or logical arguments.

In AnAnnoyingMousitizenism, insanitation and sophistry are the king class.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:18 | 2758512 magpie
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The whole "American citizenism" thing is pretty basic: There are people who consume too much (through debt ? as far as i have ascertained, it has never played a large role in AA worldview, but i haven't read all of his posts since i inhabit another timezone).

Whether these people are American middle-class or not, "Americans" or "American citizens" living in other continents and China itself remains to be seen.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:26 | 2758542 akak
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The whole "American citizenism" thing is pretty basic

You are correct.  The troll's rabid diatribes against 'US Citizenism', and against Americans as a people, is as basic as can be: hypocrisy, bigotry and simplistic collectivistic thinking.

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