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Romney Officially Loses Iowa, Gingrich Leading South Carolina 37% to Romney's 28%
Something big must be happening behind the scenes because the level of broad popular distraction just hit ludicrous speed. The latest news, from AP: "Offering no explanation, the Iowa Republican Party has declared Rick Santorum as winner of the Iowa caucuses, days after saying incomplete vote results precluded it from doing just that. GOP State Chairman Matt Strawn and the party’s State Central Committee issued a statement late Friday naming the former Pennsylvania senator as the winner, “in order to clarify conflicting reports and to affirm the results” that were released Wednesday." Naturally, jokes about Paul votes being "hanging chad-ed" by Diebold machines are imminent: "Because eight precincts never turned in certified results, Strawn said in the statement Thursday that the party could not declare a winner. He congratulated both Santorum and Romney. Sixteen days earlier, Strawn had announced that Romney had won the caucuses by eight votes." But far more notable, from the PPP website: "Newt Gingrich heads into South Carolina election day as the clear front runner in the state: he's now polling at 37% to 28% for Mitt Romney, 16% for Rick Santorum, and 14% for Ron Paul. Gingrich's lead has actually increased in the wake of his ex-wife's controversial interview with ABC. Although one night poll results should always be interpreted with caution, he led the final night of the field period by a 40-26 margin. One thing that continues to work to his advantage are the debates. 60% of primary voters report having watched the one last night, and Gingrich has a 46-23 lead with those folks. The other reason his ex-wife's interview isn't causing him much trouble is that there's a lot of skepticism about it. Only 31% of voters say they think her accusations are true while 35% think they are false and 34% are unsure. 51% of voters say that they have 'no concerns' about what came out in the interview." In other words: three primaries are about to lead to three different winners. What can we say: America always gets the president it deserves.
More from PPP:
The skepticism of Republican voters toward the media is helping Gingrich as well. Just 14% of likely voters have a generally favorable opinion of the media, while 77% view it negatively. Gingrich's attacks on the media have clearly played well with the party base.
Gingrich is leading with pretty much every key segment of the Republican electorate. He's up 41-21 on Romney and Santorum with Evangelicals, he has a 52-18 advantage on Romney with Tea Partiers, he leads Santorum 44-21 with 'very conservative' voters with Romney at 20%, and he's up 39-26 with men.
In the final week of the campaign Gingrich rose from 24% to 37% in PPP's polling while Romney basically stayed in place, going from 29% to 28%. Romney saw a 15 point decline in his net favorability in the closing stretch from +24 (57/33) to just +9 (51/42). Gingrich saw a modest increase in his numbers over the final week from +14 (51/37) to +17 (54/37).
Usually when we poll in the closing days before an election and find someone ahead by 9 points we'll say with a pretty high degree of confidence that person's going to win. I'm not comfortable saying that about South Carolina. A primary election with a lot of new news in the closing days for voters to absorb is fertile ground for a final result that's at odd with the polls. Mark Blumenthal's piece today for Huffington Post about 'expecting the unexpected' tomorrow is well worth a read. Gingrich will probably win tomorrow- but there's a higher than normal chance for a surprise given everything that's gone down in the last 48 hours.
Full PPP results here.
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Depends on what outcome the banker cabal wants... puppet shows are for sheeple.
There will never be a substantive change created from within the system. Too late, by a time span of generations.
My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, even Paul's message is about 20 years too late.
Not 20 years too late, considering its the same message he's been sending for 30 years.
I think he has started something, and it might be too late to save this system. But hopefully just in time to help rebuild a new one. I hope something good can come out of the hell we are about to go thru.
Repeating someone elses propoganda does not make it true.
The Republican versus Democrat "system" is over a century old and getting very long in the tooth. Things can change very quickly if there is a serious financial crisis and the clueless (Obama, Romeny, Gingrich, Santorum) are asked how do we fix this. The people are starting to realize that only one man (Ron Paul) knows what to do.
When the truth is finally realized, public opinion can and will change virtually overnight.
I sure hope so. I just look around and really can't see it. I live in the south so my area is hardcore republican. I listen to these fools who like everyone but Paul. It is a sad feeling how blind these people are. Again I hope they change overnight but as of now its very doubtful. I truly believe people want a master to tell them what to do.
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Your best post ever!
Damn - I missed it.
All Obama needs to do to clinch the election is show reruns of the 25+ Republican debates. Kabuki theatre full of lunatics, liars and hypocrites
yes... Thank God we can re-elect Obama so we can avoid all that LYING & HYPOCRISY!
Thanks Max Fisher... Theworld would indeed be a dark place without your insights to illuminate us all...
Fat fuck Newt Gingrich attends the Bohemian Grove, in July 1995.
From the NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/20/opinion/liberties-the-loss-of-the-dodo...
The fix is in.
Updated January 21, 2012
Added material about the Israel lobby's targeting of Ron Paul and the mysterious "telecom" that evidently played a key role in the fraudulent tally of the Iowa caucus that gave Mitt Romney a false victory on January 3.
WHO DID IT?
After two weeks, the Republican Party of Iowa released its certified tally of the January 3 caucus.
The certified final tally released on January 18 indicates that Mitt Romney did not win the Iowa caucus and that the results had been manipulated to give Romney the important first victory.
The scale of the fraud in the Iowa caucus is so large that it suggests that there was a hidden hand manipulating the data from across the state as it was sent to party headquarters to give the victory to Romney.
This suggests that the people behind Romney are likely to be the people behind the vote fraud, i.e. Lester Crown, Israeli intelligence, and the Zionist Fifth Column in the United States.
http://www.bollyn.com/the-iowa-caucus-and-iran
Yeah, that zio-media propaganda...America loves it!
And another thing, why is it when these stories come out about reputed polls, they never show it or the results, or allow anyone but a selected audience to vote on it? They are always over by the time you hear about them and that, is plain ol corruption in the election system. Why bother having an election if it is tainted or fraudulent? Why bother if the system is rigged and vote fraud runs rampant in the entire network?
Ah who cares...back to starstruck on the hyptno drug TV or sumptin.
If you want to see some real polls, check these out where the real public opinion is, and not on these zio-media propaganda past-tense-polls.
VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.cnn.com/
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/16553632/perry-ends-bid-for-pres
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/gop-poll-011912-1.3463715
http://www.naplesnews.com/polls/2012/jan/florida-gop-primary-vote/
http://theswash.com/liberty/poll-who-won-tonights-debate-1192012
http://yourpoliticalnewsgroup.com/wp_ypng/
How are the Romneycrats going to spin this one. The pre-ordained nominee lost by 10 points to the guy who wasn't supposed to have a chance.
Maybe Fox news' John Roberts can present his bar chart showing only 1 candidate. Keep pluggin' along uncle Ron.
So let me get this straight ….
Gingrich, the man that was on a couch with Pelosi chatting-up “global warming,” who has been to every elitist event from Bilderberg to Bohemia Grove, the man that not only accepts lobbyist’s money, but at times is a lobbyist himself, who was booted from his position in disgrace with 84 ethics violations, and paid $300,000 in restitution, and who has connections to every Wall St. insider that has ever robbed us, and is on first name basis with the ultimate thieves in the FED, the CFR and Tri-Lateral Commission, who Friday canceled an event for “lack of attendance,” and who couldn’t put a staff together in Iowa, or muster 10K signatures to get on the ballot in VA., who carries a $500,000 charge card at Tiffany’s for his latest wife da`jour, and who is passing himself off as the ultimate Washington “outsider,” whose platform only mirrors every failed policy to date from the “war on drugs” to the “war on terror” to the war on the American people with his support of the Patriot Act and the recent NDAA, who basically wrote NAFTA and crafted every other job-stealing bill we’ve had, who is in addition a draft-dodger that won’t think twice about sending your children off to die, and this is just touching the surface and not getting into a personal life that would make Hugh Hefner hide his head in shame, wins handily, two-days after one of his ex’s exposed him as a deviate swinger, over a field that has a man (Ron Paul) that has never been to one single elitist event, won’t even talk to a lobbyist, who is known as the “conscience of Congress,” who is totally funded by the people, who has only talked to elitist bankers during Congressional hearings, who has served his country honorably both in uniform and out, who every year gives a large portion of his salary back to the U. S. Treasury, has refused military and government pension funds, who is a doctor in two fields of study successfully, who is against wars of all kinds that are not authorized by Congress, and not only did not support the Patriot Act and the DNAA, but took time off from campaigning to go to Washington to introduce a provision to strike-down the indefinite detention of American’s without charge in that treasonous bill, whose personal life is a model of morality, this man who was endorsed by the former head of the CIA’s binLaden task-force, several of the more distinguished legislators from SC, and who receives more support from the active military than all the others combined, including Obama, who by ever demographic and social indicator, from number of comments on forums, Twitter, Facebook and who outsells the entire field in merchandizing, this man comes in last?
Will someone please tell me what’s wrong with this picture? Either my eyes are deceiving me or somebody is humbugging me.
Will someone please tell me what’s wrong . . .
a preference for long elastic however bombastic but perfectly crafted sentences instead of a short snub-nose
Jeez, when you put it like that... he seems perfect for the job.
Romney :
http://www.robotvsbadger.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/mary-the-elephant.jpg
(Gingrich is no better, as they are both progressives)
I can't believe the word "progressive" became such a bad one.
its laughable to call gingrich or romney a 'progressive.'
or Obama for that matter
Maybe "progress" is a scalar and not a vector.
oh hai
A new poll from the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press shows that “progressive” is the most positively viewed political label in America, with 67 percent holding a positive view compared to just 22 percent who view the term negatively:
http://www.people-press.org/2011/12/28/little-change-in-publics-response-to-capitalism-socialism/?src=prc-headline
There is no way Ron Paul only got 14%.
My thoughts exactly, this is way scary.
Get used to it.
Democracy is dead.
Rise up and fight.
No way Jose. I'm going to watch some football and reflect on what Tebow did to make Jesus hate him. Democracy is not dead at all. We have TeaOcrats who want to start new Crusades, OWS Commies who want...something(probably just a shower), and silver to the moon doomtards who just want the JOOOOOS gone. We are totally democracied dude.
PS - Nobody is going to fight. Leave while the leaving is good and enjoy life somewhere sunny.
Tebow didn't pray hard 'nuff!
WWRPD... What would Ron Paul Do?
I would like to see Wrestle Mania featuring the GOP candidates. I know Santorum would be the first loser, and I bet Paul would suplex the shit out of Mitt. My only worry would be if "Butterbean" Newt can handle a punch, because I doubt he can throw one.
Fig Newton would fold up like a cheap pocket knife.
Santorum would start crying like a baby (which he is in real life) and scream, "Mommy, that bad man hit me...get the nuke out of my toychest, Mommy....he's a terrorist!"
"Tebow didn't pray hard 'nuff!"
lol...God put Tebow on earth so He could watch atheists heads explode ;-)
Democracy indeed. Beautiful crowd control, I mean gooow-geous. Man is a horde animal. Dumb, stupid horde.
This still seems so incredibly blatant, plus add the megaupload thing and all the shit that MSM is pulling and we're at full scale warfare.
Conrad Murray
WOW, I did not know someone could generalize so stupidly.
Amazing.
America doesn't give a shit...
Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 8:00 pm TV viewers in millions:
American Idol - 18mm The Big Bang Theory - 16mm Jersey Shore - 6mm Wipeout - 6mm NBA Basketball - 4.396mm SC GOP Presidential Debate - 4.381mm 30 Rock - 4mm Big Bang Theory Re-run on TBS - 3mm
Apathy...
apathy>reality; but honestly i've given up on this battle(d vs r)and saving energy for the real fight a comin...
I didn't watch it on t.v. tho, I watched it on you tube while lurking ZH. Theres 260mm more people than your faux scientific study accounts for in this country, so maybe generalizations about the country in it's entirety are just a little bit disingenuous ehh?
"The Television Screen has Become the Retina of the Mind's Eye"......"And Reality is Less than Television"...
"Long Live the New Flesh".............
remember he is preaching the 'golden rule' in imperial rome...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v8qtZ3I5AM
of course comparing south carolina to imperial rome is unfair to imperial rome.
"There is no way Ron Paul only got 14%."
Agreed. With all the military bases in SC, including Shaw AFB, (one of the nation's largest bases) and the support that RP has from the military, something seems way wrong with the numbers.
What matters is Election Day later this year.
One way or another we will get a President.
So pointless and yet so true. There may, in fact, be no greater truth with absolutely no point. Let's ALL re-commit ourselves to truth and pointlessness!
We get President Ron Paul or we get Mr. More Of-The Same. Unfortunately it appears we'll elect Mr. More Of-The Same. One way or another we get Dr. Paul's domestic and foreign agenda in any case. The only difference will be the way it's implemented. Dr. Paul will oversee an orderly retreat from a collapsing empire and a reduction of domestic government force. The alternative will be uncontrolled collapse with millions dead from violence and troops overseas selling their defunct government's weapons of war for travel expenses to get home to family and friends.
That's President More-Of-The-Same to you. Another puppet of the Global Bank Cartel with a thinly veiled contempt for the Constitution and the increasingly enslaved citizenry. You know the drill. "Please sir, may I have another!"
"One way or another we will get a President."
And four more years of O'Barry is not a viable option.
Not viable for who? Some constiuency that matters?
lol...not viable for the nation as a whole.
Even his successes translate into failures to the country's longevity...thats pretty widely accepted as fact. Starting with his vote for TARP as a senator and continuing to the present day.
worth repeating: americans will get the president they deserve...
Unfortunately, yes.
"Whats in it for me" seems to have been all past trends. We really should be more courageous and do our own robberies instead of having the government do it for us.
HungrySeagull
What matters is Election Day later this year.
One way or another we will get a President
Yes, this is Exactly like the field of miscreants we had when Dole went against Pres Clitoris.
W_E_A_K= The Kenyan Ridgerunner Repeats,and finishes us off but good.
its all bad....
i mean all bad..............
fuck it...let them expedite chaos and destruction...it is by their own actions unavoidable....
Yay. Repus to nominate Mr Potato Head. That is one sourpuss son of a bitch -- but I really shouldn't bring his mother into this.
With the touch screen voting machines, reclaimed as not-good-enough-for-Florida, this will be the official 'anointing" of the candidate of (the party elite's) choice.
Amazing, beyond words. But we are screwed no matter who gets into office. No one besides RP even begins to talk about cutting spending and paying down our debt. So on it goes. No disrespect to any one who are divorced but a President of the free world with 3 wives and a censure from Congress. THAT is America.
This is the most important Presidential election of the year, in the U.S.
Do you really think elections mean anything? Erections...yes. Elections...no.
Time for the grown ups to weigh in.
BBB.
In any instance where Ron Paul is on the ballot, our military personnel MUST be informed of the fact that the greatest amount of voting fraud occurrs with absentee ballots. It will be ESSENTIAL that they get their ballots to anyone stateside who can then mail them in for them.
Missing ballots from 8 Iowa counties was BS. Santorum creamed the elite Republican candidate Romney. Conservatives don't want another RINO and the elites are trying to shove one down their throats.
Gingrich is the pitbull that put the Republicans in power after 40 years in the wilderness.
You're going to see the god squad vote for him even if pictures of him at the 2012 AVN Awards come out with him buck naked with a bunc of Hookers.
70% of Americans are that fed-up with Obama and the Republican & Democrat elites that got us in this clusterfark.
Is there someone better? Sure but not given the way things are rigged. JMHO
Santorum suddenly and mysteriously "creamed" Romney by going to the party head with his info on Romney's tax issues including that little Cayman Islands thingy. Party head then passes the word down the line; that's how it works.
I've been trying to figure out where those 8 precincts are. If they were from the college-heavy areas, then NO WONDER they got lost! This is the true outrage. You can't declare a winner wiith an incomplete vote count! What a shitty system we have!
Not really that bad. These were small precincts with only 254 votes total. The vote totals were phoned in on caucus night and nobody bothered to send in the paper ballots after the fact. 8 precincts out of 1774 total. If the phoned in totals from caucus night were used for the missing precincts then Santorum would have won by about 65 votes. hell, it was effectively a tie. Most americans don't understand that 2% or so of all ballots are spoiled in every election. Look at your fellow man/women on the street. If you have any doubt 1 in 50 could screw up filling an oval with a pencil you've not been paying attention.
The History Of Vote Fraud In The United States
http://www.marketskeptics.com/2012/01/the-history-of-massive-vote-fraud-in-the-united-states.html
OTE TABULATION FOR NATIONAL ELECTIONS HAS BEEN HANDLED NOT BY THE GOVERNMENT, BUT BY A PRIVATE COMPANY LACKING ANY OFFICIAL OVERSIGHT AT ALL. This company, which changes its name on a regular basis, is currently called"Voters News Service" and is located in New York City. THIS COMPANY IS OWNED BY A CONSORTIUM OF TV NETWORKS AND WIRE SERVICES, which ARE IN TURN CONTROLLED BY THE CIA through its Operation MOCKINGBIRD.
Look, there is voter fraud, but campaigns can stop a lot of it, if they have enough volunteers and defend certain precincts.
There are many examples of status quo getting defeated. They wanted Hillary Clinton, one example.
Wish it was that simple and easy but Nixon walked away quietly when Kennedy stole Chicago; both sides know how the game is played.
Right, and the Ron Paul campaign knows how it's played. You do what ever it takes to get elected. Voters are one part.
I think the Hungarian Government should be empowered to oversee the validity of all elections in the US. Any country has to be less corrupt than your bunch of election counting fraudsters.
The best voting system can be implemented at the precinct level in a sort of caucus format.
All the locals from the precinct get into groups in a big room based on who they want to vote for and raise their hands. Everyone's present at the same time when the precinct official announces what candidate got how many votes.
Election observers and even the voters themselves could count to make sure the votes total is not fraudulent or erroneous. The voters are then handed a print out when they are leaving again showing the voting results that were announced. The precinct officals also puts these results on the precinct website. That way the public could add up the totals of each precinct instead of just a centralized power such as “the party” or corporation counting votes in a back room
WASS We are so screwed...
We're doomed.
That would be WAD, WAD comes after WASS...
The Media with the left bias is doing a good job to get out the Republican and conservative vote. If only more people would watch the debates, if only the voters would use the time to watch who might be President rather than watch Jersey Shore. If only Republican would drop the anti-abortion and anti-gay malarkey, If only the Democrats would drop the anti-gun and ignoring the open to all criminals Mexican Border----------- what a better World it would be.
Which is what proves they are controlled by the Elitist Lucifer worshipers. Can't have either party giving solutions to the real problems like the debt, 23% unemployment, or the federal reserve.
You know the sad thing is - they ignore Ron Paul at every turn - but even many liberials like the guy. GOP would rather lose to Obama then give it to RP.
"GOP would rather lose to Obama than give to RP."
That is one huge understatement. Because Obama, Gingrich, Romney, Santorum, they are all in the same party, remember. The Corporatist Party
Heeeeeere's the party line for the statists and corporatists, delivered by sock puppet mit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-xFexgH76g
Because the Fed is scared to death of RP and with good cause.
I think the Republican Party should adopt the motto: "We're all Zionists now."
Sadly the whole world will suffer from moron America choosing a muppet. Unless sense prevails and we get Ron in.
Obviously this doesn't include most ZHers, well maybe MDB and RT.
HD - spot on +100
Seriously, you telling me America is gonna vote in someone called Newt or Mitt. You couldn't make this shit up.
Better than a Hollywood comedy... which isn't hard these days. Why pay for a movie when real life is much funnier?
All I can say is they, apparently, voted for a guy named Barack Hussein (whose name wasn't even that)...
... and there have been:
- Dwight... Woodrow... Herbert... Millard... Zachary... Ulysses... Rutherford... Grover... & Lyndon (in the past)...
Vote! Our choice matters this election. We get to choose between WWIII, the global financial collapse, or both!
We have conservatives booing someone who invokes the golden rule in how we treat other nations and conservatives cheering at the Gingrich remark that we should kill our enemies. Things are looking up guys!
Absolutely DISGUSTING! My God....it is though people have become so inured to war that they consider it a spectator sport like the NFL. We have not had war on these shores for a long time. People have NO idea what they are begging for.
I am going to start calling the Republican Party the "War Party". (no sarc)
When someone asks me for whom I will vote in November, I will say in response: "I am no longer a member of the War Party."
I can't wait to try it out!
I am not surprised at how dumb 'Merca is, but Newt fucking Gingrich? He is more of a flip flopper than Mittens! When I brought up that he supported global climate warming change to an old lady I know the other day, she said, "But he's changed! And we must get rid of Obama!"
America, Hegel loves you and thanks you for all of your nonsense.
Anybody but Obama? We can do better than that. Vote RP.
the man who out-Clintoned Clinton in real life, and vigilanted him in the process on precisely those grounds, now claims the votes of moral America, in sweet south Carolina. My, my ,my, how can we sink as low as that?
Memories are as short as the fuses on a bank raided by the Jesse James gang!
"America always gets the president it deserves"
Yep. Just like Rome got the emperors it deserved during the waning empire.
TPTB already have their manchurian Candidate MUPPET...
This whole process is about getting the bible thumpers to suck up 4 more years of it (while thinking they had a say in the matter)...
The Republican elite has thrown Romney under the bus. They finely figured out that Obama rill rip him to shreds over Romney care and his flip-flops tied to a political weather vane.
Perhaps....
But Grinch and Santorum are no better.
Do Americans have any idea how embarassing this is? What is happening to your country? Doesn't anybody give a damn any more?
Seriously, folks, Newt Fucking Gingrich? Could there be a more sleazy political hack? Last elected to public office 17 years ago. Censured by Congress for ethical violations. A liar and a cheat, and an arrogant and egotistical prick to boot. Nasty personality, the worst kind, a know-it-all who has all his facts wrong. Nut case, thinks the biggest threat to America is from electromagnetic attacks. Wants another WAR as soon as he can start one. Wants Sarah Fucking Palin and John Fucking Bolton in his cabinet. Fascists!
Or Mitt Fucking Romney? I mean could he be MORE 1% if he tried? Wall Street chop shop hit man, who then stashed all of his money in the Cayman Islands (yeah THAT's patriotic). Made his fortune by firing workers and sending jobs to China, then got HUGE tax breaks for doing it. Robo-Mitt, all Wall Street, all the time.
Or Rick Fucking Santorum? He'll start another WAR even faster than Gingrich. A mental midget and religious nut job.
All with the spectacle of more, bigger, and better ELECTION FRAUD. Banana republics have less fraud at election time.
Then there's Barack Fucking Obama. The ultimate fraud and bait & switch artist. Says all sorts of progressive stuff THEN turns into Bush's Third Term. Only worse! Endless war, no bank crime prosecutions, destruction of the Bill of Rights, Wall Street's stooge par excellence.
And one man, a patriot, a dedicated civil servant, smart enough to fight the bank cartel, smart enough to dismantle the excesses of empire, a true champion of freedom. And we can't even get the camera to pan over and show his face.
What have YOU done today to convert 10 people to Ron Paul? I can count 6 converts, four to go. Get moving!
Wednesday, Pugsley, Uncle Fester, Lerch, Grandma-ma, & Cousin "It" are a good start...
But please... redouble your efforts...
We just don't care foreign dude. In case you didn't know, Matt LeBlanc just came out of nowhere to win a Golden Globe. And Showtime has some other good new shows as well. Don't they have TV in your frigging Country? Get with it!
Fucking right. I moved this post up. Should be number one.
I gave your post a thumbs up because it was passionate and idealistic. I, unlike many, still find virtue in idealism.
that said...
While I encourage idealism, I feel it must not prevent you from seeing certain realities. One important reality that many do not want to accept is this: Your vote does not matter one fucking iota.
It doesn't matter how many people vote for Ron Paul because, as Joseph Stalin so aptly pointed out, "those who cast the votes decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything". And let's be honest here, given the voting record of the US ever since 2000, can anyone really deny that Stalin was correct?
Many Americans do not want to believe this to be fact because it would, for many, shatter their few remaining pillars of belief of what they were told this country is supposed to be. But it's time to face facts, ugly facts: America is NOT the country we were led to believe it was. We are no different than any other despotic empire throughout the history of mankind. The only thing that separates us from the others is that we have the most efficient and complete system of cradle to grave propaganda the world has ever seen.
It is what it is...and it ain't what we thought.
Not to be pedantic, but you people do watch an awful lot of "American Idol".
So I'm going with no.
marxist's handwringing in workout mode today as South Carolina votes in what is shaping up to be their worst nightmare, a Gingrich nomination. this nightmare affects every waking and sleeping moment in the marxist mind and culminates in a November 2012 Gingrich victory speech, oh the misery of it all to bare it any further will lead to mania beyond insanity. Oh how I love it so......
It is only the marxists' nightmare b/c they hate FASCISTS so much!
Ron Paul will only get to be president as an independent. Republicans will not back him because they'll lose all their tidy benefits and have to live in the real world. My heart bleeds.
http://thirdpartypolitics.us/blog/2012/01/14/pat-buchanan-says-ron-paul-...
Ron's brother, Wayne, said that Ron will NOT run third party. I don't blame him.
And if that's the case, I hope he chases these scumbags all the way to the convention, and becomes the wrench in the gears. Personally, if it's not Dr. Paul, let's have another round of Obomber, and burn this motherfucker down already. As a fellow ZHer said: "Hasten the Collapse - Obama in 2012!" Someone needs to get to work on those bumper stickers.
check out of the game - huge mental relief will overcome your inner being...
"is what it is"
back to the 2000 piece puzzle-bye.
The Iowa Repugs were trying to rob RP of his delegates by declaring the race a tie.In the fist tally,RP and Rommney and Santorium all got 7 delegates.Then they said that they could not call the race due to missing votes tallies,which were CALLED in from 8 precints,becase the trucks carring the ballots literally disappeared from the face of the earth,never to be seen again.They obviously decided to not make the INTERNETS mad by robbing RP. Been trolling here for months for the great analysis on financial themes above my working man education,thanks to many for their opinions that I have read.Hope to return the favor by letting people know my opinion on political crap,which I love.Check out Travis and Jonathan of redststateupdate on youtube for the real political truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoMf3h4w7Ns&feature=list_related&playnext... but we all know that if voting made a difference,it would be outlawed
No....delegates for Iowa won't be awarded until March at the earliest.
From Ron Paul:
http://www.dailypaul.com/199894/clearing-up-the-iowa-delegate-misconception
I can confirm that as I was at the caucus and the delegates go to the dedicated. Only those who hung around and went to the trouble of becoming county delegates matter for final delegate selection. In our precinct less people waited around than there were available delegate slots. The media tries to estimate this based on vote totals but it's BS. On balance I think RP's folkes stand out pretty well in the dedication department. We should be well represented. Having done this before though, it's at the county level the party insiders try to band together and squeeze out outsiders they don't like.
Thanx to both of you for giving me more info on this subject! This only goes to show the intellect of ZHers.I do not mind being corrected by folks more informed than myself.I am new at this posting stuff,don't have the time,as I work and have a family and a life.Love ZH for info on PMs.I am not a computer freak. Infact, what I meant to say in the original post was that I have been LURKING here for a year,not TROLLING.LOL. But,as I understand it,the delegates in Iowa were to be alloted proportionately.This would have given RP the same # of delegates as Romney and Sanrorum.I understand that the delegates have not been awarded yet,but I do not live near Iowa and I do not claim to be an expert on their election rules. The story that I was trying to get out there is that Romney was originally declared the WINNER by 8 votes.When the votes were certified,Santorum had 36 more votes,but was not declared the winner.This was due to the vote tallies from 8 precincts not making it to where they were certifying them.The votes totals have NEVER been found.These precincts included the college areas,where RP should have done well.This led to the race being being listed as Santorum had more votes,but not declared the winner.The fact that he has now been declared the winner is the subject of this article.This led to speculation that the Iowa republican party was going to try to split ALL of the delegates between Romney and Santorum,thus cheating the other contestants out of their delegates.Hope this clarifies what I meant to say.I got no down arrows,and two up arrows,that shows the veiws of ZH folks IMOP.
Black Box Voting
"The genius of democracy is dispersed public control.
As we saw in Iowa when alert public citizens captured evidence of the actual vote count BEFORE it was reported by a centralized state committee, the state Republican Party and the news media initially claimed victory for the wrong winner. They only corrected this mis-call two weeks later, buying the favored candidate half a month of fund raising prowess and prestige.
In South Carolina, 100% of election results will be redirected through a private Barcelona, Spain-owned company, Scytl/SOE Software, before being reported to the public."
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
falun bong
Nicely Fucking Put Sir.
Whoever wins this election will go down in history as the worst US president ever.
Excluding RP.
Romney, this time next month, will have clinched it. Then we will all get behind him to ensure the defeat of a President that even people as diminished as we have become do not deserve.
Romney will go on to handily beat Obama and we'll have a chance to keep the country from going third world.
All the drama leading up to this obvious result is Entertainment Tonight for those who think they are above that kind of thing.
By this time next month a defeated Romney will be vacationing in the Cayman Islands checking on his money.
I would suggest being a stupid cunt is no way to go through life. And I mean that is a positive way: As in, strive to not be a brain-washed cunt. Even though I invariably like actual cunts. But back to servants of Satan for a second: Barack Romney and Newt Santorum are all the same. Sit down for this one: There is only one political party in the U.S. now. Sorry, but I thought you should know.
puff...puff...pass
Obummer and Mittens are so similar that I personally wouldn't be surprised if Mittens shaved off his hair and we saw Obummer's face protruding from the back of his skull. Lord Voldemort 2012!
That makes plenty of sense. Now all the family values voters are flocking to Newt Gingrich. Hahahaha.
Ha ha, Family Values Voters. As long as Newt will deny poor women $100 for an abortion, they'll vote for the scum sucker.
Then they'll complain bitterly for the next 18 years that the unaborted kid is being raised on welfare money.
Hahah Family Values? You need to fucking identify AND SHUT DOWN CAYMAN ISLANDS accounts before you start talking about the poor.
I've already posted I know an African-American woman who was earning close the six figures, in health sciences. She had a home, three SUVS, and decided at age 40 to have a child. Picked a baby daddy. Quit work. Signed the child up for every fukkin' government program she could find.
You think smart with your Cayman Islands accounts? Everyone working, watchin,' and learnin' and my pal is no different than any damn Michelle Bachman in Congress.
Ha ha, Family Values Voters. As long as Newt will deny poor women $100 for an abortion, they'll vote for the scum sucker.
Then they'll complain bitterly for the next 18 years that the unaborted kid is being raised on welfare money.
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... after which, the taxpayer continues to pay for that individual to live in jail for 20-30 years.
interesting that you guys believe
when it's Paul who is calling for zero abortions from the moment of conception - he should be talking that up more, get the Family Values Voters vote, yes?
as for
true enough, no one's really talking about what happens after the baby is actually born. . .
i see what they did there, so now Santorum, Romney and Gingrich will have won a state and now they can push Ron Paul even furthur out.....these guys are good
It's all pointless.
That's why I use the word in my moniker.
Just give up and watch "Kourtney and Kim Take New York". I am. And I'm a hell of a lot happier and my blood pressure isn't as high any longer.
Oh and...Go Pats!
Exactly!! It doesn't matter which puppet gets into office in a rigged, one party system.
GO PATS!!
Newt G. Really? I had no idea there were that many "IDIOTS" in the SE......
I guess Amerikans love Reality TV and Newt delivers on that Reality!
why someone hasnt posted a picture of Newt and Nancy sittin on a couch together......Newt would drop to Zero overnight.....
Why can't stupid Americans understand that all Republican candidates (except Dr Paul) are Obama in a different suit? It's so obvious..... Our two party system is broken because the Banksters own both sides of the Ledger. Christ I wish people would pull their collective heads out of their ass-holes......
Go ahead and elect Newt or Mittens and see what happens? I dare ya?
Sorry to all offended, I ate a lot of sugar for breakfast. I'm still right though....... The only change available is Ron Paul. Sure hope we all make the right choice this Fall...... Obama has to be defeated.
Ron Paul is pretty much toast.
He might as well go back to Texas and become the Headmaster at one of the elitist private schools, he would be perfect for that role.
Now we just need a "role" for you. Because irritating poor person doesn't count; that's a malady, not a role.
Robo speaks......
Dr. Paul will have delegates, they will have seats and RP will direct them. It's the message Robo Bitch.
As horrendous as another Obama term will be.
Bar RP winning, that is what you'll get. The competition is shockingly poor. They make McCain look charismatic.
No more subtlety:
THIS ELECTION DOES NOT MATTER.
Luke 21:25-36Peace!
gotta love amrka - where there is no dissonance between this
that you posted upthread, and now yer Bible link quote.
really, kind of says it all.
If Guy Smiley becomes the obvious GOP nominee in February, what are the networks, papers, magazines and websites going to do until September or October? How can all the talking heads justify their expense accounts? Think of all the ads that won't be sold, so they won't even be made. All the "outside experts" who won't get face time and honoraria.
The media and advertising machine had the muscle to get Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission through the Supreme Court; you think they don't have the clout to get a razor-thin margin in a meaningless state like Iowa tilted one way as opposed to another?
It's all about the churn. If there's no turbulence and the outcome is too obvious, why should the money change hands?
It's nice to see so many here at ZH pretending that any of this matters. And I certainly hope you are all only pretending that this matters because if you haven't by now figured out that the American electoral system is a farce created for the entertainment of idiots...then you are, I'm sorry to say, one of the idiots.
Those who know least obey best.
What's notable about the 8 Iowa precincts that "lost" everysingle one of their votes is that 4 of them: FM 4A, FM4B, Franklin Cedar Marion, and Washington Green Bay Denmark, are all in Lee County.
When you go to the Lee County Republicans website the results shows Ron Paul winning the County with the top three vote getters as follows:
Ron Paul - 212
Rick Santorum -200
Mitt Romney - 169
http://www.leecountyrepublicans.org/
Amazingly, when the Iowa state GOP did the final tally 4 precincts from Lee county "lost" all their votes.
Evidently, after voting the votes were tabulated in each Precinct. I found it odd that nobody made it there business to interview those present in the 8 missing Precincts to find out who got the most votes. Those present know. It may have been Gingrich (my guess) it may have been Paul; in the big scheme if things it doesn't matter.
The elites in both parties have more of a stakeholdership with each other then they have with us in fly-over country.
I lean toward Newt because he's been there, he stood his ground and told his handlers to walk if they wanted to early in the race AND because he is trashed so much.
I remember his part in '94 and the Contract With America. Is he perfect? Hell no. Are you? Am I? Fng no.
Paul has a lot of good ideas but he was DOA given his foregin policy views.
It's a rotten choice given the stakes but that's what we get more times then not. Some times the winner surprises us.
Let's not forget Congress matters too (although that my not be true for long).
I agree Newt Gingnrich attended the Bohemian Grove in July of 1995. The Elites fraud will fix that fat fuck Newt Gingrinch as the winner.
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/20/opinion/liberties-the-loss-of-the-dodo...
Casual, you may want to check out Newt and his Contract With America a little further - it was a last minute ruse by neo-cons to steal the credit for an unstoppable grassroots Take-Back America movement to elect conservatives in 1994. Newt, for his entire career, has been using conservative issues as a faux front to advance his career; and then, voting with his Big Government cronies.
Devvy wrote regarding Newt on NewsWithViews.com in 2009 :
“I ask you - who gave us the Mexican peso plunder of $52 billion, the Brady Bill, GATT, NAFTA and on and on and on? Dole, Gingrich, Herger, Clinton, Gephardt, Bonior, Feinstein, Bush - the list goes on. In August of 1993, Henry Kissinger, kingpin of this global kingdom, stated in an article he wrote for the Los Angeles Times Syndicate: ‘NAFTA represents the single most creative step towards a New World Order since the end of the Cold War.’
“The New York Times ran a full page ad, April 15, 1994 which read: ‘GATT is the third pillar of the New World Order.’
As for Newt’s Contract With America, what was wrong with the original contract, the U.S. Constitution? When it was obvious the take-back-America grassroots movement would sweep pro-life Republicans into office in 1994, Newt Gingrich and other neo-cons, late in the game stepped in front of this grassroots parade with their own agenda to co-opt and re-label the movement “Contract With America.” Of course the neo-cons were helped in the takeover ruse by a cooperative media.
Llewellyn Rockwell, President of the Ludwig von Mises Institute and publisher of The Free Market, observed back then that, rhetoric notwithstanding, "Newt Gingrich is a Rockefeller Republican," a big-government `Conservative' who talks a good line, but … will give us higher taxes, more government, and more spending. His `Contract with America' is a fraud; it should be called a `Press Conference with America."
It was Newt on October 22, 1991, who voted for an amendment to the federal crime bill offered by Rep. David McCurdy (D-OK) to establish a National Police Corps. Reports Devvy: Although he didn't vote for the $30-billion Clinton crime bill of 1994, he resurrected it and helped make passage possible. As Rep. Susan Molinari (R-NY), one of Newt's cheerleaders, explained to Michael Kinsley on CNN's Crossfire, "If it wasn't for Newt Gingrich, you wouldn't have a crime bill."
And that’s just for starters. And, oh yes, Newt WROTE the forward for Alvin Toffler's book, Creating A New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave - a best seller in Communist China because it mirrors Mao.
On page 433, Toffler's writes: “The founding fathers as the architects of the political system which served so well, this system of government you (the founding fathers) fashioned, including the very principles on which you based it, is increasingly obsolete and hence increasingly if inadvertently, oppressive and dangerous to our welfare. It must be radically changed and a new system of government invented - a democracy for the 2lst Century."
http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/updated-who-is-the-real-newt-gingrich-get-prepared
GREAT stuff, JR! I knew all of this, but didn't have it down "on paper". I will be pasting this EVERYWHERE!
Especially disturbing to me is the Toeffler stuff. THIS is the kind of deep research that people won't do....they're just too lazy, and are satisfied with the media's "top 10 reasons why....". Spoonfeeding, all of it.
Thanks!
Added note: Not only did newt write the forward, he has been a devotee of the Toefflers FOREVER. Disgusting!
Thanks for the info.
I'll look in to it.
Gingrich and Santorum won't do this well in Virginia. :-P
I read from somewhere the candidates have already spent about 26 million dollars for this "preselection" process! Romney leading with NINE million dollars. Democracy is truly dead in USA, it is rich man's game from start to finish.
The lame stream media tries to tell us Newt is leading with 37%.
Newt could only get 25 people to turn up to his speech at 5000 capacity TD Arena:
"CHARLESTON, S.C.- Newt Gingrich has cancelled a campaign appearance in South Carolina because of poor attendance."
"There were just a few dozen people in the audience at the College of Charleston's arena, where the event was taking place."
http://www.mercurynews.com/presidentelect/ci_19782823
The same day RP drew over 1000 to a Chareleston College to hear from him:
Ron Paul draws huge crowd of supporters during ‘The Bully Pulpit Series’ held at the College of CharlestonCOLUMBIA, SC – 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul attracted more than 1,000 supporters in Charleston today, demonstrating his strong support among younger voters and his overall popularity.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/01/19/over-1000-supporters-greet-ron-pau...
Does any of this matter with $16 trillion of debt and overburdensome regulations in the USA? We are out Frenching the French.
http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/obamas-16-tons-state-of-the-union-address-you-owe-your-soul-to-the-government-store/