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Romney Ratifies Ryan; Proscribes Pawlenty And Portman

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Mitt Romney is set to announce his choice for running mate tomorrow morning according to Bloomberg news. The wires are alive with multiple sources confirming it will be none other than Paul 'budget-bill' Ryan - which appears to be a more aggressive choice than the safer options as Rubio, Portman, and Pawlenty are all bridesmaids and not the bride. Ryan-ney? Rom-an? R-Squared? Ro-Ry?


Via NBC News:

Three different sources close to the Romney campaign indicate to NBC News that Mitt Romney will announce House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential running mate at tomorrow's campaign event in Norfolk, VA.


The announcement will be in front of the U.S.S. Wisconsin -- which just happens to be Ryan's home state.


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Sat, 08/11/2012 - 00:41 | 2696373 lasvegaspersona
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that is gutsy

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 00:52 | 2696395 tsx500
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doesn't matter... election probably won't even take place

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 01:12 | 2696438 AssFire
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How about we take a step back, dissolve the federal system and let groups of states form republics with the likeminded??

United is not at all how I feel about these States...

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 01:46 | 2696478 Skateboarder
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The sooner CA, OR, and WA secede into the wonderful ecobubble they are, the better.

Praise be to Jah.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 02:15 | 2696507 lolmao500
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CA, NY, IL and Washington DC should create their own socialist fiefdom.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 05:06 | 2696599 The Big Ching-aso
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This election could be more exciting than synchronized Olympic waterpolo.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 05:48 | 2696621 francis_sawyer
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 "Ryan-ney? Rom-an? R-Squared? Ro-Ry?"


How about "Ruh-Roh" & we call it a day?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 06:04 | 2696625 malikai
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I didn't know much about Ryan, until I read this on ye olde wikipedia:

n 2002, Ryan voted in favor of the Iraq War resolution, authorizing President George W. Bush to use military force in Iraq.[29] In 2003, Ryan voted in favor of the Medicare Part D prescription drug expansion.[30] In 2004 and 2005, after the reelection of Bush, Ryan pushed the Bush administration to propose the privatization of Social Security; Ryan's proposal was ultimately not fully supported by the Administration and it failed. After the next election, he was chosen as the ranking member of the House Budget Committee.[31]

In 2008, Ryan voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the Wall Street bailout that precipitated the Tea Party movement, and the bailout of GM and Chrysler.[32]

Now I know all I need to know.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 06:32 | 2696635 GetZeeGold
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Mitt needs to call on Tammy Switzer from Bangor Maine. She's a ninety year old virgin that hasn't ever committed a traffic violation. She makes great apple pie and no liquor has ever passed her lips.


Come on Mitt....pull your head out of your ass.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 07:36 | 2696676 economics9698
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Ryan is another RINO, talks the talk but votes like a democrat.  

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:01 | 2696704 GMadScientist
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Ryan is a stereotypical Republican, talks conservative but votes with his donors in mind.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:17 | 2696733 goldfish1
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Anger grows in Illinois at Bain's latest outsourcing plan

The Sensata plant in Freeport is profitable and competitive, but its majority owner, Bain Capital, has decided to ship jobs to China – and forced workers to train their overseas replacements

Sensata is majority-owned by Bain Capital, the private equity firm once led by Mitt Romney,


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:34 | 2696771 GetZeeGold
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Thanks for bringing up Grammy just keeled over dead.


Good job.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:02 | 2696942 nmewn
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Pssst...theres a sitting senator that knows someone (who says he knows) Romney hasn't paid his taxes for a decade...pass it along.

Now, we don't want to get into the details of how this "someone" got access to Romney's personal income tax records going back a decade...or who this "someone" is...or why the IRS is yawning and doesn't seem very interested in an audit after this "very serious allegation" of tax no no.

Its the accusation that matters most, its more than enough to put him up on the

By the way..."someone" told me Reid likes kiddie porn. He should put an end to that assertion by handing over all his CD's and computers ;-)

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:22 | 2696998 Manthong
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At this juncture, there is only one issue that offers hope the US won't turn into France ..

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:38 | 2697056 nmewn
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A good counter balance to a squishy Romney on our rights.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 12:49 | 2697202 fuu
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A Bare Jock vs A Tit Lump

The Dick or the Cancer, either way you're fucked.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 12:17 | 2697395 Cruel Aid
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Ryan and guns, pretty conservative. Muzzle lawyers, taking the fear out of having some protection.

He is one of the only ones on the right who put up a fiscal plan.

Sure he made some mistakes. Ron Paul ain't perfect either.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:38 | 2696779 Kiwi Pete
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That is really disgusting. What a total hypocrit Romney is. No wonder you guys are so disillusioned with your politicians.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:42 | 2696785 GetZeeGold
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 seem a little down today.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 11:36 | 2697272 jwoop66
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ain't it an Obama guy runnin' that company now?   I bet he's bud's with the "jobs" czar who shipped most of his companies overseas.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:59 | 2696934 Lednbrass
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I have always been amused at the use of RINO by repubs, it doesn't make alot of sense to me.

The party was founded as the party of big government and centralized authority uber alles, the current party members continuing in that trend arent repubs in name only- they are repubs in thought, deed, and historical precedent.

It is those who advocate smaller government that are the outliers in that group, they fooled themselves into thinking that the Republican Party actually had the aim of reduced spending and smaller government but such has never actually been the case. The RINO is the advocate of reduced spending and less intrusive government, the norm is the big spending big government types.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:12 | 2696971 economics9698
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Historically you are correct but historically the democrats are the party of “hard money” and for the people.

Supposedly the Dems became progressives in 1965 with LBJ and Repubs conservatives in 1981 with Reagan.

Its all crap, they both are for facism, socialism, communism, depending on that they can peddle to the public.

Ryan, Reagan, Romney, talk small government to get voters and that’s about it.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:39 | 2697063 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Reagan gave us smaller gov't (slightly) in certain areas and really large gov't in others, i.e. military. I think to stay in office within the US spending money on the interests who elected you is compulsory. Sad state of affairs.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 06:53 | 2696648 stocktivity
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Those measures all passed by a wide majority ...just saying

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 06:59 | 2696657 malikai
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If I put my vote on something, it is my endorsement.

What are you saying?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 07:25 | 2696668 GetZeeGold
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I've got a couple nickels.....but I haven't checked the seat cushions yet....give me a second and I'll get back to you.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 07:41 | 2696684 GeezerGeek
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Ryan or Biden? This isn't Comedy Central we're talking about. Most of the issues malikai listed are ones on which I disagree with Ryan's votes, but privatizing Social Security is a great idea. Next to Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare, it is the single most damaging large program the government runs. It has, thus far, allowed trillions in spending on other stuff via raids on the 'trust fund' without raising income or other taxes. It harms minorities who demographically live shorter lifespans. It can and usually is used to scare seniors and buy votes - just listen to Ditzy Debbie Wasserman-Schultz some time.

If people must be forced to save for their own retirements, which S.S. purports to do, why not require that all 'contributions' be put into physical PMs? Yes, it would be difficult to control, but I'd much rather have converted all my FICA taxes (and my employers') contributions to gold over the last 50 years. Better yet, in my opinion, is to make people responsible for themselves and their families and not force others to to that.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:14 | 2696728 smithcreek
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yeah, but malikai, who had never heard of Ryan until this morning, took a look at Wikipedia, now he's the expert so shut up.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:25 | 2696749 nmewn
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All I have to say is Biden just shit his

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:10 | 2696835 Steve in Greensboro
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Smokin Joe does that every morning and Nurse Mabel changes his Depends.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:31 | 2696879 GetZeeGold
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Getting your Depends changed is a big fukin deal!


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:57 | 2696810 malikai
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I've looked top to bottom in the constitution searching for where it says the state is supposed to look after me when I'm old or sick.. I can't find it anywhere.

Am I dumb or blind?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:33 | 2696881 GetZeeGold
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Oh the crazy lady that channels spirits is going to show up and say......are you serious?


Well.....are you?


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:42 | 2696897 rwe2late
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"promote the general welfare"

(you decide which you are)

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:55 | 2696921 malikai
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+1 I like that argument.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

So that means I get to have the state take care of my retirement? How about my healthcare, and maybe it can mean the government should make sure I don't hurt myself too?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:08 | 2696955 GetZeeGold
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I don't want to pursue happiness......I want to kill it and mount it on the wall.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:10 | 2696961 nmewn
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Uncle Bloomberg say's...No Big Gulps For You!!!

And no salt or butter or ice cream or a celery stick!!! (with no peanut butter)

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:46 | 2697092 KenShabby
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I guess the same applies for when you get hit by a car and you're just lying there in the middle of the street as people walk on by.

Just saying...

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 11:01 | 2697141 malikai
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Interesting how you should point out an individual State/City's function in a discussion about the Federal government.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:04 | 2696709 azzhatter
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Another guy who screams we're spending too much money while he's voting to spend more money

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:12 | 2696723 smithcreek
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Good to see you've done a total of two minutes in depth study of the issue before making up your oh so fucking principled "my vote is an endorsement" mind.  Whether you like Ryan or not, admitting you are ignorant then thiniking you've learned all you need from a trip to Wikipdedia just shows was a fucking dipshit you are.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:22 | 2696741 goldfish1
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Why spend precious time and energy researching scumbags? We know what they are...ALL of them. Romney, Obama, congress.

Stop participating in the lie.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:37 | 2696777 aint no fortuna...
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They're ALL members of the same two political crime families, ALL owned by Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Healthcare, the arms merchants and the mainstream propaganda machine, so who gives a fuck? I say boot 'em ALL out, do a total reset of the system, by whatever means necessary, and that includes saying buhbye to the SCOTUS in its present form, its just another transparent policy tool now... I mean, really, who could possibly give a fuck about or vote for this entire broken rat's nest of conflicted, bought, preening scumsucking pieces of shit?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:46 | 2696793 malikai
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Would you feel better if the guy hadn't voted the way he did at each of those critical moments listed?

I know I would. I might even be able to trust a guy like that with my government.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:57 | 2696809 nmewn
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I think where the majority is at, is this...which of the choices are the least likely to vote the way they did then in our future, knowing what we know now.

Everyone of reasonable intelligence knows what they have built up is unsustainable.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:11 | 2696840 malikai
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Further proof that voting is entirely futile.

If the plebs ever wake to the plight, we're all in for some big trouble..

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:29 | 2696874 nmewn
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Well, you may be right...but we've also got some who really should know better, still propagandizing for graft, waste and corruption as the price that must be paid.

I say no...prove to me every nickel is spent wisely and efficiently, then we'll talk about revenue...they've never been able to do it, so there will never be a discussion about revenue increases with me.

If a private corporation ran their operation the way government runs theirs they would be bankrupt or in jail.

Oh, wait ;-)

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:44 | 2696899 malikai
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As long as they can keep the whole gradual decline thing going, it might be managable.

If not.. Well, it was fun while it lasted.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:13 | 2696972 nmewn
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Ya gotta thing they're good at, is gradual decline.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 12:35 | 2697434 upWising
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Moremoney & Lyan ©

Truth In Advertising

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 17:01 | 2697808 shovelhead
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The Scooby-Doo ticket.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 18:32 | 2697935 WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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Actually, this guy was my choice .....

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 16:10 | 2697736 eatthebanksters
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I'm from CA...can't we just carve out the SF/Bay Area and LA Basin?  While the those areas are of geographical insignifigance they do exert an unfair influence over the rest of the state (which is fairly normal) because of their large populations of liberal adherents.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:56 | 2696926 El Oregonian
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Portland and Eugene are the mostly imported college town liberals. 85% of the state/ mass wise, is actually conservative.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 12:36 | 2697438 upWising
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FoxSnooze told me.
I believe it.
That settles it.

Praise Jeeeezus. 

Sun, 08/12/2012 - 06:29 | 2698478 GetZeeGold
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I'm confused.....I thought the messiah said to stop watching Fox and to read HuffPo.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 02:13 | 2696504 kito
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Assfire-you are on to something.dont forget that the constitution allows for states to call a convention and disband the union or do whatever else the states damn well see fit to do......and there isnt a thing obamaromney or the repubicrats in congress could do........its the constitutions built in self destruct button to the federal government gone wild.........

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 07:30 | 2696672 GeezerGeek
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And I'm certain the DHS SWAT teams will cheerfully serve the refreshments at that convention, which will be moved to the nearest FEMA camp to protect the attendees.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:24 | 2696859 scatterbrains
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Visions of Waco burning with a bunch of statesmen trapped inside.  "Hostage situation gone awry when I drone Incendiary missile accidentally fired into the building"  Congressional investigation reveals a fat pimply kid at a Utah Airbase sneezed and fat fingered the trigger.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:24 | 2697004 jerry_theking_lawler
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the states will remain part of this 'union' until the costs (taxes to .gov) out weigh the benefits (revenue from .gov). then they will split.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:11 | 2696544 Manipuflation
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Excellent idea.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 07:28 | 2696665 WTFx10
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But then WHO would control our money? You know tell us how we can live to grow the economy. WHO would look out for the working man. We need people who are highly edumacated, we must make sure they have a standing in this new society where they can make decisions for us without bothersome political control. Don't want the new Republics interfering with economic designs that will benefit all?

History repeats.

They bankrupt counties, collapse happens but the banksters never lose, never are eradicated. Some lower level employees are sacrificed but the owners are NEVER confronted. No country ever goes to WAR with a private corporation. The same private corporation that funds the wars the countries are conned into fighting. For it to end the planet must declare a war with the banks otherwise they just start the CON all over again the same gangsters(owners) selling the slaves the same shit all to benefit themelves.

Humanity? Hardly when you take out the bullshit its just owners(Cartel of BANKS) , employees (Governments) and us the paid slaves.

 Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.- Thomas Jefferson

What is the crime of robbing a bank compared with the crime of founding one. Earl warren  

 I hate banks. They do nothing positive for anybody except take care of themselves. They're first in with their fees and first out when there's trouble. Harvey Goldsmith

The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks. Lord Action

When the biggest, richest, glassiest buildings in town are the banks, you know that town's in trouble.Edward Abbey

It is a wise man who lives with money in the bank, it is a fool who dies that way. Proverb

Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money and control credit, and with a flick of a pen they will create enough to buy it back. Josiah Stamp

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. Henry Ford

When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes, Money has no motherland; financiers are without? patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.
Napoleon Bonaparte

If all bank loans were paid...there would not be a dollar of coin or currency in circulation. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. Robert Hemphill


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:31 | 2696765 Landrew
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That would be GREAT creating something like the Eurozone! Why wouldn't you just move to an island? Maybe a lunar colony?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:07 | 2696949 toady
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Terraforming Mars is a good idea.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 13:22 | 2697520 Pubcoceo
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I think MARS would look better xeriscaped, than terraformed.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:42 | 2696786 LawsofPhysics
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Several states with resources and productive manufacturing bases are tired of sending money to socialized states. So yes I can see them telling other states to fuck off. Especially if they already have a large military contribution. One thing is for sure, banks win again. Time to make some new bets, err investments, on Monday.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:06 | 2696830 francis_the_won...
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"let groups of states form republics with the likeminded??"

Great.  I live in Cali and can't/won't leave for lifestyle reasons (translation: I love the ocean sports).  Your solution puts me in a situtation similar to being stuck on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:02 | 2696941 Lednbrass
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Well, its either that or the California and New England gangrene spreads to the healthy spots.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 12:46 | 2697461 upWising
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California receives cents on the dollar for each tax dollar sent to the Federal Vampire in DC>and the money ends up subsidizing "fly-over Bible Thumpers" in the Dakotas, Alabama, Kentucky, etc.

Were all of California's tax dollars to STAY in California, and were California unburdoned from the "Defence" establishment boondoggles that are a black hole for money, California would prosper and boom. California could easily stand alone, with the eighth largest economy in the world, being a tremendous net exporter of food, and blessed with massive solar resources. Los Angeles County alone has more people than half the current states, each of which has two senators.  California could easily adopt the Canadian collar (or Norwegian krone) as the "National" currency (Iceland is considering the move; Ecuador, Panama, El Salvador, and other countries use the US dollar) and become a sort of Baja Canada or Western Norway.

Crazier ideas have come to pass when the chaos hits a critical mass.  Conservatives and Liberals alike couldn't bemoan decisions being made closer to home as California unshackels itself from tons of idiotic Federal regulations.  

California Republic -- just look at the flag.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 16:27 | 2697758 Lednbrass
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The statement that California contributes more than it receives from Uncle Sugar is a lie and has no basis in reality. It is just another self deception.

2010 Consolidated Federal Funds Report- see Table 13 graph 1 on page 26.

Califronia received $333,809,000,000 in total funds from the Federal government in 2010.

IRS Tax gross collection stats by state for 2010-,,id=206488,00.html

Gorss federal tax collection for California in FY2010 was $273,353,106,000.

California was the 3rd largest gross receiver of Federal funding in 2010 at $60,455,894,000. Only Virginia and Florida were higher. Claifornia got $1.22 for every $1 sent.

In reality there are only 4 states who send more than they receive at this point, New Jersey (38 billion), Minnesota (23.6 billion), Delaware (7.25 billion), and Illinois (1 billion)- an that entire surplus gets wiped out by the vast Federal apparatus behind Virginia's 78 billion.

Almost all states now get more than they spend and are hooked on the heroin of borrowed money.



Sat, 08/11/2012 - 16:40 | 2697775 BooMushroom
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California would outlaw oil, coal, NatGas, and nuclear, eat all the seed corn, and starve to death in the dark. And then bemoan that they must not have put "the right people" in charge.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 02:25 | 2696516 A Nanny Moose
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as if they ever fucking have.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 00:58 | 2696410 JLee2027
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Palin was gutsy, not this.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 01:08 | 2696427 Bananamerican
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political "dancing with the stars"....

Obama/Romney wins

amerikan people lose

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 02:10 | 2696490 JLee2027
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I shouldn't have said that name, lol. Sheesh guys it was only an opinion!

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 02:59 | 2696538 Harbanger
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It's always "smarter" to be politically correct.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:04 | 2696708 GMadScientist
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It's always smarter to chose someone smarter than a pet rock.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:43 | 2696788 Titan Uranus
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I have a feeling Ryan knows how many letters are in the word "jobs."

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:51 | 2696801 aint no fortuna...
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yeah, like every other member of the CONgress does - 4 letters - blow, hand, suck, jack, ream... and once in awhile if he forgets what's after 3 its rim

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:26 | 2696865 GMadScientist
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How many middle-class jobs did Medicare Part D "create" in the US?

You think Swiss and German (or even good ole fashion 'Merkin) pharma multinationals give a fuck about 16% UE in the US of A? Lulz.

You know dick, mindslave.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:43 | 2696791 Monedas
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Just biding my time until Biden is gone !

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:48 | 2696796 aint no fortuna...
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don't insult pet rocks!

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:27 | 2696873 GMadScientist
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pet rocks do have a much lower record of gaffs on the mic.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 07:53 | 2696696 GeezerGeek
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For all the opposition to the bankers, TPTB, the MSM and everything else like that expressed on ZH, I have yet to hear substantive attacks on Palin. Some can't see beyond the fact that she is nowhere near as, well, non-attractive as the opposition's ladies - think Janet Reno, Janet Napolitano, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, etc. (Not that looks should matter.) Any honest appraisal of her record of public service, which began at the local school board level and eventually took her to the Alaskan governor position, shows a relentless drive to oppose TPTB and actually do things to benefit the average people of Alaska. The Alaskan political establishment, both parties, detested her.

Palin was a gutsy choice for McCain. She was also the only one of the four running that was qualified, by prior experience, to be in the Oval Office. She was attacked and destroyed because she was everything Democrats say they want but really don't: a competent, non-white-male leader. Anyone here who truly believes in smaller, less intrusive government should be defending her, not attacking her.

Let the attacks begin. I just hope they have real substance and aren't idiots who mistake Tina Fey for Palin.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:26 | 2696753 Pizza man
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Palin was a great choice only if ideas and record matter.  However, I get it. When she speaks, her mouth does an end-around on the idea she is communicating. Luckily, her brain always brings her back onto point in the end. You have to get used to it. Just her style.

She is certainly no aristoctrat, but "of the people". Guess that disqualifies her as a good and honest statesman. (stateswoman?) 

I believe most people like and appreciate her record, but worry other will think them daft for openly supporting her. A shame. If anyone here supports the Tea Party and has (some small) hopes pinned upon a realistic, small governmnet, sound money movement saving America it will be largely because Sarah Palin is tirelessly working to get the best possible people elected.

Just saying.



Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:11 | 2696966 WonderDawg
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Palin was elected and entrusted by the people of Alaska to be Governor. She quit in the middle of her term to pursue personal glory and wealth.

Sorry, but if you quit on the people that elected you, you don't deserve the chance to run for a higher office. She's a quitter, a marginally intelligent bimbo, and a power-hungry publicity seeker. I'd bang her, but I don't want her making any major decisions for the country.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 11:26 | 2697237 Walter E Kurtz
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I met Palin at a local sporting good store up here.  She was with her husband and was about to go on a moose hunt.  No cameras or security around. She and I had a non political conversation about the area we live in and my job.  Even though I don't agree with her far right views and reality TV drama, she came across as super nice and of average intelligence. 

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 12:07 | 2697374 Bananamerican
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"Palin was a great choice only if ideas and record matter."

I always wondered who was buying these....

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:20 | 2696799 Disenchanted
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Just like many of the rest, Palin is an Israel firster, a neocon, and a Christian Zionist tool(as are Romney and Ryan). Check her necklace in this pic:


Anyone on the national stage who toadies for Israel's interests first instead of the real interests of America is a FAIL in my book.


However, ZOA’s Klein insisted, “Evangelicals are more supportive of Israel because they believe in the Bible.”


Sarah Palin, he said, is definitely a pro-Israel evangelical. Klein, who said he knows Palin personally, said she had a picture of an Israeli flag in her office while governor of Alaska.


“She is an ardent supporter of Israel,” he stated. “She also understands that Israel has given all of Gaza and half of the West Bank and gotten nothing in return.”


He praised Palin’s comment and said other GOP candidates must make similar expressions of support if they expect to win evangelical votes.


" “Evangelicals are more supportive of Israel because they believe in the Bible.” " - FAIL! More like they believe the references that the Scofield Reference Bible inserted into the Bible:
Among more traditional churches that encourage, and in some cases recommend, the use of the Scofield Reference Bible is the huge Southern Baptist Convention of America, whose capture is World Zionism's crowning achievement. Our report on Southern Baptist Zionism, entitled "The Cause of the Conflict: Fixing Blame.

Scofield, whose work is largely believed to be the product of Darby and others, wisely chose not to change the text of the King James Edition. Instead, he added hundreds of easy-to-read footnotes at the bottom of about half of the pages, and as the Old English grammar of the KJE becomes increasingly difficult for progressive generations of readers, students become increasingly dependent on the modern language footnotes.

Scofield's notes weave parts of the Old and New Testaments together as though all were written at the same time by the same people. This is a favorite device of modern dispensationalists who essentially weigh all scripture against the unspoken and preposterous theory that the older it is, the more authoritative. In many cases the Oxford references prove to be puzzling rabbit trails leading nowhere, simply diversions. Scofield's borrowed ideas were later popularized under the labels and definitions that have evolved into common usage today--"pre-millennialism," "dispensationalism," "Judeo-Christianity," and most recently the highly political movement openly called "Christian Zionism."

Thanks to the work of a few dedicated researchers, much of the questionable personal history of Cyrus I. Scofield is available. It reveals he was not a Bible scholar as one might expect, but a political animal with the charm and talent for self-promotion of a Bill Clinton. Scofield's background reveals a criminal history, a deserted wife, a wrecked family, and a penchant for self-serving lies. He was exactly the sort of man the World Zionists might hire to bend Christian thought--a controllable man and one capable of carrying the secret to his grave. (See The Incredible Scofield and His Book by Joseph M. Canfield).

Other researchers have examined Scofield's eschatology and exposed his original work as apostate and heretic to traditional Christian views. Among these is a massive work by Stephen Sizer entitled Christian Zionism, Its History, Theology and Politics, Christ Church Vicarage, Virginia Water, GU25 4LD, England

We Hold These Truths is grateful to these dedicated researchers. Our own examination of the Oxford Bible has gone in another direction, focusing not on what Scofield wrote, but on some of the many additions and deletions The Oxford University Press has continued to make to Scofield Reference Bible since his death in 1921. These alterations have further radicalized the Scofield Bible into a manual for the Christian worship of the State of Israel beyond what Schofield would have dreamed of. This un-Christian anti-Arab theology has permitted the theft of Palestine and 54 years of death and destruction against the Palestinians, with hardly a complaint from the Judeo-Christian mass media evangelists or most other American church leaders. We thank God for the exceptions.
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Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:28 | 2697019 Disenchanted
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Hmmm....flight leader, we must be over the target. Catching lots of red flak.



Sat, 08/11/2012 - 12:15 | 2697387 James
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I just learned that Sarah Palin is Jewish.(Mother)

That would explain her Israel support,

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:22 | 2696739 MillionDollarBoner_
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Gutsy of you to mention her :O)

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:01 | 2696540 myshadow
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palin was a stupid move, and still is.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:40 | 2696782 bigmikeO
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I betcha she's smarter than you

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:49 | 2696797 Monedas
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People who don't like Palin .... adore Hillary and Janet Reno ?    

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:56 | 2696807 Disenchanted
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I view all three with equal contempt...

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:55 | 2696805 aint no fortuna...
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where's Alaska? Isn't that out past Russia?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:29 | 2696876 GMadScientist
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Take a left before falling off the Bridge to Nowhere.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:08 | 2696542 HardAssets
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"Palin was gutsy, not this."

Palin was titsy, not this.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 06:20 | 2696632 malikai
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You know you would..

Don't lie.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 07:54 | 2696698 GeezerGeek
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Barney Frank probably has big ones too. Nice of you to concentrate on the important stuff.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:24 | 2696747 MillionDollarBoner_
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Sorry...what's the important stuff again?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:30 | 2696842 HardAssets
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"Sorry...what's the important stuff again?"

Oh, the 'important stuff' is all the promiises the lying politicians make to the voters while on the campaign trail - - - which they later break, of course.

Amazing that the sheep argue about 'their guys' lies, versus the 'other guys' lies.

Personally, IMO the demo-republicrats should run NFL cheerleaders for office. Their statements would have as much real substance as the current crowd - but at least you could stand to watch them.

"Go Tammy!"   "Missy's our choice !"

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:29 | 2696759 goldfish1
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choosing Palin gutsy?

smelled more like desperation

and more political theater

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:47 | 2696795 Titan Uranus
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Yeah, unlike styrofoam columns and promises of Nirvana.  How has that worked out so far?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:55 | 2696803 Monedas
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Rush said it well:  "Palin was not the mistake on the Republican ticket !"   Amen !     McCain was a bad pilot, a bad POW, a bad Senator and a bad Presidential candidate !

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:02 | 2696823 Disenchanted
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"Rush said it"


Was that the hillbilly heroin talking?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:20 | 2696991 toady
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Palin was/is insane. If McCain had just made the generic old white man pick he would have won.

Good to see Willard make a somewhat safe pick, although Ryan REALLY pissed off the AARP crowd a while back.

Hopefully Willard paid off AARP, and has Ryan's word that he won't talk about the 'ryan plan'. If not, expect a big push on how Ryan wants to 'take away my benefits '!

In fact, expect it anyway... How does Willard plan to spin it?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 01:21 | 2696448 indygo55
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I thought it was gonna be Obama.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 04:00 | 2696574 Harbanger
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He could have picked Obama's brother George.  You should check out his 1st interview and debut in the movie 2016.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 02:32 | 2696521 roadlust
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Yeah, a guy who who has zero training or experience in Economics, never had a real job, and knows nothing about the subject other than what he "believes," is a perfect "economic policy" spokesman for the fantasyland now called the Republican Party.  "Belief" needs no formal training to master, it only requires "faith."  Facts and a grasp of numbers is unnecessary when you're an ideologue.  Like the hilarious "math" behind the religious dogma that "lowering revenues, increases revenues" attests.  Even my father-in-law is embarrassed by this guy.  Picking Ryan is not "ballsy," it's caving into the wingnuts at the Wall St Journal and National Review.  Because Romney has nothing he personally stands for other than winning the Presidency for the LDS church.  

Good luck in the general, Mitt.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:14 | 2696547 Moe Howard
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I agree with what you said. He is a "made up" conservative, built up by the media. His actions, voting for TARP for example, speak louder than his press coverage. He is a Decepti-Con, totally in the pocket of the central bankers.

I will be voting for Ron Paul.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 07:19 | 2696663 GetZeeGold
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They know you won't check so they'll intercept your Ron Paul vote and change it for Obama.


If you want to give up please just commit suicide.....please use a 22 round so we don't have to clean up after you.


If Moe is good with four more years of am I. Yes we will!


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 07:58 | 2696700 GeezerGeek
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Use a .22? At least half of the voters from 2008 could put a .22 in one ear, have it come out the other, and be just as intelligent as before the shot. I vote for at least a .357.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:06 | 2696713 GetZeeGold
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This board is already turning into a bloody away amigo.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:06 | 2696714 GMadScientist
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You didn't vote for that!

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:44 | 2696792 GetZeeGold
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Turns out I didn't have too.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:28 | 2697022 toady
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Nyuk nyuk nyuk!


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:16 | 2696549 Manipuflation
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It would be interesting to hear your ideas on why the GOP and DFL are different from each other.  Otherwise STFU.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:50 | 2696570 Harbanger
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It would be interesting to hear what DFL means.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 04:57 | 2696597 MalthusWasRight
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Democratic-Farmer-Labor...obviously you are not a Minnesotan.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 05:22 | 2696606 sessinpo
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Minnesotan? Is that where they make Minestrone soup? Please excuse the rest of us on ZH that didn't realize that Minnesota was the center of the universe.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:00 | 2696818 Disenchanted
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"center of the universe."


So where is it? Wash. DC, NYC, or the 'Square Mile' in London?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:08 | 2696716 GMadScientist
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Ya that's true ya know. Love the cheese! Oh wait, that's Wisconsin.

What makes you better than a hold in the ground again? Something about a bunch of lakes?!


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:29 | 2696760 MillionDollarBoner_
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"Things aren't looking so good
I'm looking California
And feeling Minnesota..."

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:04 | 2696826 aint no fortuna...
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take out the last 3 sentences and change "republican party" to "democrats" and you could've been talking about obama

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:39 | 2697060 knightowl77
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Obama and Biden never had "real jobs" and look how far they have gone....BTW he does have a degree in Econ which is more than Obumbler the disbarred lawyer

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:41 | 2697069 The Gooch
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Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:41 | 2697070 The Gooch
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Sat, 08/11/2012 - 00:44 | 2696376 The Shootist
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I wanted Rand but Ryan will more than do. Better than Palin, and I like "Roman."  ;)

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 01:09 | 2696430 vast-dom
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how can anyone like any of this trash. actually no these people are all worse than trash. 

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 01:24 | 2696452 Lednbrass
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If you like a Romney/Ryan ticket it would seem that you like "Greek." ;-)

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 02:41 | 2696529 Harbanger
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Newsweek already declared the 1st gay Pres.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:05 | 2696710 GetZeeGold
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They phoned the story in from Chick-fil-A.


Can't blame them.....that's some damn good chicken there.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 00:46 | 2696377 lasvegaspersona
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Romney has not much to gain and much to loose with this choice but I think it is a good principled call. NPR just did an analysis that said he would not be the pick because  his devotion to serious budget cuts could be used effectively against Romney. With this pick Romney would seem to be serious about the deficit...I still believe that it is too little too late but at least he acknowledges the severity of the problem with a Ryan pick.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 00:54 | 2696399 JID
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That cracks me up.  My rule of thumb has always been to assume the opposite of the NPR opinion.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:25 | 2696553 Harbanger
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"NPR just did an analysis that said he would not be the pick because his devotion to serious budget cuts could be used effectively against Romney."

ALERT: Picking him as VP is the opposite of NPR's opinion.  What's with all the ADD around here lately.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 06:52 | 2696647 malikai
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What's with all the ADD around here lately.

Fucking Television. Kill it.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:13 | 2696725 GMadScientist
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NPR is absolutely correct in their estimation that Ryan is a blessing and curse.

While he helps the Mormon from Mammon with his pathetic bonafides as a conservative, that move farther right can be used efectively by the blue team to scaremonger about the red team taking away those delicious food stamps.


Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:42 | 2696787 nmewn
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Which is what they always do...heres another good example:

"Anthony Kusich, a spokesman for Patrick Murphy, West's Democratic challenger, emphasized that Murphy's camp "had nothing to do" with the creation of the ad, despite the fact that Murphy's father runs the PAC that released it. "

My daddy says, if you re-elect West he's gonna beat up old women and eat white elect me instead!!!

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:34 | 2696883 GMadScientist
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You should see the semaphore and smoke signal code they've worked out!

There should be an award for most vile attack ad with a little statue:

And the "Willie Horton" goes too...

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:20 | 2696987 nmewn
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lol...pretty impressive wasn't it?

Endorsed by the NAACP so it must be A-OK ;-)

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 01:15 | 2696423 sunaJ
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You say that Romney, in making his choice of Rand Paul, is taking budget items more seriously?  Or is it that he is appeasing a segment of his camp that he most needs based upon political calculation?  I bet the latter.  Republican Romney attempts to appeal to the most likely of his party to bolt. He will be a politician before a leader.  Don't forget the latest ideologically puzzling shifts made by Rand Paul the "libertarian."

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 05:42 | 2696615 NidStyles
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Rand Paul is not and never has been a Libertarian.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 06:40 | 2696639 Moe Howard
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Please don't confuse the issue with facts.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:03 | 2696706 GeezerGeek
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Please don't confuse the son with the father.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:14 | 2696729 GMadScientist
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Name one thing either has actually accomplished that can differentiate them from each other.



Sun, 08/12/2012 - 09:25 | 2698573 NidStyles
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Other than different names, different parents and different physical bodies? Let's see one is a Libertarian borderline Anarchist, and the other is a Paleo-Conservative. What else needs to be explained beyond that? 

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:10 | 2696719 bdc63
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Bingo, sunaJ.

The Republican party knows they have a problem.  If you can't get the followers of Ron Paul and/or the Tea Party to vote for your republican puppet, then you lose. 

Paul Ryan will help them pull some of them in.  But, in my opinion, not enough.

And by no means does it mean that Romney has suddenly 'seen the light' ...

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