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Is Ron Paul 2012's Black Swan?
Courtesy of Bill Buckler of The Privateer
The Great Non Debate
For five years, the writing on the wall has been crystal clear. As 2007 began, the US Foreclosure Market Report for 2006 showed that foreclosures for the year had reached 1.2 million, an increase of 42 percent over the 2005 figure. In early February 2007, in the midst of a growing rash of bankruptcies among small US sub-prime mortgage issuers, New Century Financial announced that it was “recalculating” its “profits for the previous three quarters. New Century was one of the three biggest mortgage brokers in the US. In two days, its stock price dropped 40 percent. Six months later, President Bush was calling the now obvious collapse in the US real estate market a “blip” on the US economy. Two months after that, the stock market peaked. A year after that, in September/October 2008, the global economy froze solid and was only thawed by the biggest explosion of money creation in history. Now, here we are at the start of 2012. Nothing has changed. No positive steps have been made. The symptoms have been disguised under an avalanche of palliatives but the disease continues to eat away at the substance of the system on which it feeds. The major effort of government and “mainstream” analysts everywhere has been to avoid, deflect and actively silence any nascent discussion of the root of the problem.
The root of the problem is perfectly illustrated in the fact that since August 1971, the funded debt of the US government has risen from $US 400 Billion to $US 15,236 Billion. The severity of the problem is illustrated by the fact that with Mr Obama having yet to complete his third full year as President, he has presided over $US 4,600 Billion (or almost one-third) of that increase. The root of the problem is the abandonment of money - the final legal connection between Gold and the US Dollar was ended in August 1971. The severity of the problem is the grotesque expansion of what has taken its place.
None of this has been or is being discussed because the establishment in the US and everywhere else does not want it discussed. A REAL “black swan event” - an event that deviates by 180 degrees from what is “normally expected” - would be a political debate over root causes and basic principles. The great merit of Ron Paul - and the great service he is giving to his own and every other nation - is the fact that he is doing everything he can to raise the debate to that level. That makes Dr Paul a unique politician, a man who tells people what most of them DON’T want to hear or understand.
Or at least they don’t think they want to understand it. Dr Paul’s great and merited attractiveness to a growing number of admirers has a very simple source. He is that rarest of creatures - a FREE man. He is beholden to nobody. He has developed his ideas and his convictions over a long and fruitful life of independent thinking. He does not compromise. He homes in on the fundamental issue and principle of any political issue and serves it up without salt or other “seasoning”. He says what he means and he means what he says. He is the living embodiment of the “dream” that most Americans have long since given up on as they saw it slip further and further beyond their grasp. He is the only prominent person who is doing everything he can to turn the non-debate which masquerades as the “mainstream” in the US and global political economy into something of substance. That, far more than the presidency, is his goal.
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"I see ZERO difference between Romney and Obongo. ZERO."
The Tea Party had a significant impact on the GOP in the last round of elections, and there is no way Ron Paul or Rand Paul want to see Obama elected again now as opposed to one of the existing Republican candidates. Ron Paul should fight all the way to the convention to see more of his views adopted by the GOP. That is a victory in itself even if Ron Paul is not elected. Obama would not likely adopt ANY view of Ron Paul. Obama must go.
I agree 100%. Obongo must go. But I'm telling you right now, Romney doesn't win. Romney winning the nomination guarantees Obongo a second term.
That is a goddam depressing notion. I hope it doesn't come to pass. The ONLY good thing that could come of that is if enough GOP candidates win in the Senate and House to ensure four (4) years of gridlock with Obama so he can't fvck things up any worse with sweeping irresponsible legislation getting passed.
if you guys spout any more mindless MSM platitudes, mrsRobo will put you on the 3rd grade debating team!
Considering that I'm in Mrs Wilson's 2nd grade class, the 3rd grade debating team would be quite an achievement! A real promotion!
i know! especially since you're repeating 2nd grade!
Tsk. He must have been thinking outside of the Crayola box.
you mean John 'the USA is a battlefield' McCain.
McCain came up with the fucking NDAA provision for indefinite detention.
McCain and the other 4 of the KEating 5 should have been banned from politics for life. Instead, they were hand slapped. Banning them for life would have sent a badly needed message to the rest of the politicians, perhaps even saving us from our present predicament...
I think Ron Paul refuses to categorically say he won't run as a third party candidate because the unspoken threat gives him leverage. He will continue to have more influence on the GOP by letting them think he might do it. He might even get to speak at the convention.
And BTW, which of the other Republican candidates could even think of a third party run. None of them. No other party would want them. They are all second life avatars of the same puppeteer. That is why it is so easy to support Perry yesterday, Newt today and Santorum tomorrow.
"I think Ron Paul refuses to categorically say he won't run as a third party candidate because the unspoken threat gives him leverage. He will continue to have more influence on the GOP by letting them think he might do it. He might even get to speak at the convention."
Agreed 100%. Whoever wins the GOP nomination (if it is not RP) had better court RP's supporters or he may lose in November.
at some point, as this place continues to go to hell, a third party candidate will win
Poland is supposedly one of the most 'republic' like countries, post-glasnost. Perhaps opening up bank accounts there is not a bad idea.
Cheers.
- Clockwork Orangski
That is pretty much everyone's thinking right now. You know how it goes in the markets, when everyone is on the same side of the trade...
Things that could swing things in Ron Paul's direction:
- Europe
- Iran
- Emerging as the clear runner-up to Romney.
Romney is very vulnerable if it comes down to another discussion about bailouts. His # 1 donor: Goldman Sachs.
Yeah, the people of the other 47 states don't matter in the least. The whole thing should be shut down and Mitt declared the winner. The same way they'll stop a baseball game if one team is ahead by one run after the first inning.
It is still possible if though unlikely that it will be a brokered convention in Tampa in August.
The primary changes make all votes prior to February 1 non-binding and between February 1 and April 1 the delegates are awarded proportionately.
A break down of possible scenarios and Ron Paul’s potential role in the process here:
http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2012/01/perfect-storm-for-brokered-republ...
“Following Florida we now have a three way race between Romney, Santorum and Paul. Pundits will be predicting a quick resolution considering the fact that we are down to two candidates (Paul is invisible to the Media) after only one month and four contests. But…
Paul will do one of two things. He may stay in til the end. In 2008, although he had no chance of securing the nomination, Paul did not drop out until June, a full 4 months after third place Romney and 3 months after second place Huckabee. In 2008 Paul’s persistence didn’t matter much, he only picked up a few additional delegates. It did however serve as practice for 2012 and resulted in a grassroots campaign network in all 50 states that continues to this day. Unlike 2008, a persistent 2012 Paul could have an impact. First he is doing better than 08, but better doesn’t amount to winning in the traditional winner-takes-all system. But remember the rule change, Paul will continue siphoning 10-30% of each state’s delegates until proportional allocation ends on April 1st.
Oh, the other thing Paul may do, drop out and run third party. If you think this possible brokered convention scenario is scary for Republican’s, a third party Paul run would be devastating to their chances in November....
In this scenario no candidate secures the 1144 delegates necessary to receive the nomination outside of a brokered convention. Our scenario’s results are as follows:
1. Romney: 1114
2. Santorum: 960
3. Paul: 194
4. Gingrich: 13
5. Perry: 7
6. Huntsmann: 1
7. Bachmann: 1”
[EDIT: Note this is an evangelical Christian source so there may be a Santorum bias here LOL]
"This thing's winding down. Romney wraps it up for all intents by South Carolina"
Are there not 3 with 6 delegates each after Iowa?
Sure is, pick your car and pick your lane.
Paul 2012
Tried 3 times to vote green. Nada!! Milestones
I'd say no way, but SC keeps re-electing that homo traitor weasel Lyndsey Graham
Sigh... To think Paul has a chance at real leadership shows a complete lack of understanding of how the system works. IF (and that's a big IF) Paul is elected, those who are REALLY in power, will use him to discredit all that he stands for... It's time for a lot of people to grow up and understand how the world really works.
Unfortunately I think you are right. When you take away the meth the addict will scream you are killling him and the guy who gives it back will be his savior.
The real world is not that so called system you seem to be fond of. The real world is you collecting paper like a Squirrel collects nuts. The difference is that the Squirrel can eat the nuts when the bad times of winter come along, and you have nothing to eat and nothing to show for your time spent when your bad times of Currency Collapse come.
In the real world only the 3 B's matter.
The election of Ron Paul would quickly lead to another "motorcade moment", another patsy, another grassy knoll...
this scares me most of all. That and that the establishment wont allow an election. Using a Blackswan moment to clamp down on America.
BECAUSE LAST THING OBAMA WANTS IS FOR RON PAUL TO TEAR HIS 1 TERM A NEW ASSHOLE IN FRONT OF ALL THE WORLD.
Yes, and thanks to ZH and many many other sites, more and more people will not be fooled. The public is starting to recognize False Flag events more and more everyday.
Yep, I think so too. And since there's been no resolution of the last one, why would we want another so soon... or ever. So just how in hell DO we get rid of the fed?
GOLD. period. The only way to get rid of the Fed is to remove it from "your life" by avoiding the federal reserve system as much as possible. Do not leave paper currency to heirs -- give them a map and a shovel.
And SILVER....as well as guns and ammos to protect it.
Don't be paranoid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces
followed soon after by:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8
no worries here, move along.
The reason that Ron Paul is such a rare breed among politicians is that those who value liberty and respect the rights of other human beings rarely seek domination over them, which is what government represents. After all, if you're not aiming to tell people who they can marry, or where they can live, or what they can smoke, or what kind of insurance they have to buy, or how to run "their" businesses, then what's the point, right?
Didn't Santorum say that "imposing our values on other people is an American value?" Pretty sure that's a direct quote.
The barriers to entry into American politics are high. You have to be almost neurotically driven to jump through the life time of hoops necessary to achieve political power in America. Getting into an Ivy League school being merely the first step. So only go-getters born with a tyrannical desire to dominate others generally achieve political power.
Absolutely, the system now is set up to select for little tyrants or convert them once they get to Washington.
You're talking about sociopaths.
I think I had a blonde moment when he said that. Did he say that? No, he didnt say that.
Why doesnt someone ask them why we invaded Libya and we're not invading Syria.
http://www.dailypaul.com/197818/santorum-imposing-our-values-on-eachothe...
"Don’t give me this idea — I hear this: ‘Oh, you’re a moralist. You’re trying to impose your values.’ Everybody’s trying to impose their values. That’s what America’s about."
-Rick Santorum, Born Tyrant [source]
"Nobody has a right to impose their values on somebody else."
-Ron Paul, friend of liberty
"If we guarantee your liberty as an individual, that means you have civil rights to live your lifestyle. You actually can do things that I might disapprove of. But I'm very tolerent. As a libertarian, I say "Well, I might not endorse your lifestyle -- you might smoke some things and drink some things and eat some things and act certain ways that I totally abhor -- but as long as you don't hurt anyone else, I'm not gonna bother you."
-Ron Paul, 1988
Thanks for the excellent quotes-- Milestones
Thank you so much for that '88 quote. It's so good, I gotta post it as a separate post.... :-)
On that note...Keep in mind that scum doesn't collect on the bottom, it always rises to the top.
Santorum's nephew - must have been chilly at holiday dinner:
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/01/nephew-of-rick-santorum-vote-ron-paul/
Paul/Warren...that would be the odd couple.
Ron Paul - the ony non-psychopathic candidate.
Running mate: Paul Craig Roberts or Catherine Austin Fitts.
Save Paul Craig Roberts for Sec Treasury
End the Fed.
Follow the Constitution.
fresh air
I think RP is a standup guy, but I still think that democracy sucks because eveyone sits complacently and puts their vote on someone else. If Ron Paul supporters had any balls, they would be out marching on the White House lawn or some shit. They would be sitting in on their State Congress. Seriously, why have hope that any one man is going to change anything?
Aren't there millions of RP supporters? Go out and do something with yourselves! Make the change you wish to have! You can fucking do it! Believe in yourselves!
THE USA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY BUT A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.
Democracies are tyranny of the majority -- or what we've had since socialism arose in our midst.
finally someone who GETS IT.
A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting what's for lunch.
the 51% should NEVER be allowed to vote away the rights of hte 49%
CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.
You got it, we had it.
The rights of the individual will NOT be subverted by the rights of the majority.
See prior post.
www.F*kRinoEstablishment.com ... that would work, too wouldn't it?
Power in #s. They cannot win if we will not let them.
RP in 2012 or BHO-&-CRASH.
RESET TIME FELLAS. WE ARE IN CHARGE IF WE WANT TO BE.
NO COWERING ALLOWED.
You can do one of two things:
1. Be a child and pretend that one man can fix everything while you sit back and cast a vote.
2. Be an adult and realize an era is coming to an end and YOU must change course to protect yourself and those you care about.
You're right. The era of lawful government and individual liberty in the United States is coming to an end. My course correction is leading me away from the American police state.
Money is, at the end of the day, just a tool to facilitate trade. Real wealth is in human capital, and the US is not going to go to war in the same way Europe could. I think you underestimate how fast the population will be able to adapt. Things may get fucked up, but I dont think it will be mad max, as much as you may be hoping for it.
"Things may get fucked up, but I don't think it will be mad max, as much as you may be hoping for it."
I don't hope for it, but the facts are the facts. The same psychos who presided over the decline of America are the same psychos who are still in charge today (through countless elections). The status quo isn't going to change until things get significantly worse. There's something about hitting rock bottom that forces some people to critically think about their situation. To believe Paul has a chance in hell by playing a rigged game shows that people have not reached that level of critical thinking. Therefore things must get worse for any real change to happen.
One can both vote for Ron Paul and take responsibility for one's own future. Those actions are not mutually exclusive but complementary.
Hey -- Kelly Clarkson is on SNL. Ron Paul Stronger 2012!
Gingrich's energy policy that would not require the US commander-in-chief to bow to the Saudi King was the money line for me. Stephanisuckcockalotapus looked like he had been kicked in the groin every time someone dragged Obama under the bus.
Anybody that believes using up their own oil is smarter than swapping worthless paper for somebody elses, is a fucking idiot.
I assume you are referring to us selling our oil?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-06/marubeni-to-buy-35-stake-in-u-s-shale-in-1-3-billion-deal.html
Red herring! Possibly/
You rang?
Have to say, as fucked up as our country has gotten.. I love the spirit and liberty to pursuit happiness ZH posters.
>He has developed his ideas and his convictions over a long and fruitful life of independent thinking.
I'm not so sure. A lot of his ideas come from the Austrian School.
"Paul is a proponent of Austrian School economics; he has authored six books on the subject, and displays pictures of Austrian School economists Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, and Ludwig von Mises (as well as of Grover Cleveland)[84] on his office wall"
If the citizens of the US enable President Ron Paul to utter the words, "We're all Austrians now," then the greatest thief of them all, the federal reserve and the federal government will no longer be able to siphon off resources from the world through the inflation tax.
TheSilverJournal.com
BTW that quote was from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul
So what!? At least he has something other than prattling me-tooism and he's consistent.
RON AND RAND. FUCK IT.
Paul/Santorum 2012
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Hope it wasn't brown.
I think I just dropped a litle santorum in my pants.
Santorum is a total dipshit.
RON PAUL 2012
Save Liberty
STOP TYRANNY
RU PAUL 2012
Save Libertines
VOTE TRANNY
Paul/Trump 2012
Paul/Miss America
That made coffee come out of my nose, but giving Paul/Trump a second think, it might work.
If Romney loses steam Trump will throw his hat in the ring. Prob as an independant, but maybe not. Some famous campaigns started only after New Hampshire
Meaning he'll continue to be an Obama operative like when he played up the Birther issue only to see it be discredited?
Trump is his own operative
Yeah, thats the ticket. Donald fuckin' Trump to the rescue! Has our country sunk so low that one would even consider a real estate hype artist as president.
The Donald has become a parody of a parody... his very own simulacrum....
I hear ya. But I think he beleives he has a shot if Romney weakens and the field gets divided. He's been running a twitter campaign for months now telling exactly what he would do as president
But we don't need Trump's services. The country is already bankrupt.
Rim shot.....
Just got back from the lair of the socialist beast.... aka the FDR presidential library.
If Romney loses steam, it means big changes are in the minds of the American electorate. Changes that would not benefit Trump.
Ron Paul/ Ru Paul 2012
Paul/Ringo 2012
Regardless, the banks call the shots. If Paul got elected and the banks told him to bomb Iran, he would. Otherwise, they'd whisper martial law and 20% interest rates in his ear.
If congress voted to declare war then Ron Paul as president would serve as commander in chief during the execution of that war.
What he would not do is bomb whoever he feels like whenever he feels like. The Libyan war (just because it was short and we were overwhelmingly powerful doesn't mean it wasn't a war) was unconstitutional.
if they'd whisper martial law and 20% interest rates in his ear he'd have the FBI arrest them bring them to trial and if found guilty of treason they would be executed . that would send them a message .
Ron Paul as president and my dream of seeing the Federal Reserve surrounded by tanks might come true.
Ron Paul/U.S. Constitution 2012
The biggest complaint I hear from his detractors usually boils down to the fact that the nation has grown so used to unconstitutional laws and a lot of folks like it that way. It is easy to get unconstitutional laws passed. It is very hard to modify the basic document. When folks consider what the country would be like if all laws passed muster it scares them. They realize how far we are from that ideal. They simply cannot see another way.
The Dems know this so do a lot of others who have sworn to defend the Constitution. They usually break that promise whith their very first vote.
This is how it goes for 'rule of law' to become 'rule of men' without very much effort at all. If only we had a court or something, say a supreme body of judges who could say 'hey, that law is clearly not in compliance with the foundational document...' something like that could protect the Constitution....too bad the founding fathers did not include a third branch of government to oversee such issues.... probably would not work anyway, eventually that mechanism would become corrupted just like the primary mechanism of passing only constitutional laws.....too bad...might have been the foundation of a great country of free men who valued their liberty more than their very lives...
However true that may be, I find that these people have a strong desire to believe that they are acting entirely within the law and constitution. It is very important to them that whatever they do is "legal", even if they have to change the law to make their immoral actions legal, or retroactively grant themselves immunity for past transgressions. It's all part of the psychology of tyrants, they want to believe they have the consent of the governed and possess moral authority and superiority over their enemies.
Never forget that the Nazis were patriots acting within the law. The folks working at 3 letter agencies that listen to your phone calls and read your email are patriots acting within the law. The first SWAT team that "disappears" an American citizen on American soil will be full of patriots, and, they too will be acting within the law.
I don't accept that these people were patriots. Many of them were perfectly aware that it was immoral to murder Jews (etc...), but they were afraid or somehow rationalized it away, so they kept quiet.
The Nazis were the true believers. Most of them were by definition party members, true patriots who believed in the reich/homeland/fatherland and their fuhrer. Now, the every day German soldiers, the conscripts, many of them were just soldiers pressed into service and following the orders they were given...but as every soldier knows after Nuremberg, "I was just following orders" is no excuse for unlawful behavior.
If your side loses.
The law of the land in the U.S. says anyone suspected of terrorism may be disappeared or murdered without trial. And the true believers, the true patriots working for our 3 letter agencies and SWAT teams, will not even blink before they carry out those lawful orders.
Who's going to stop them?
"True Believers" aka Nazi's were not patriots. Patriots defend their country, they do not invade, enslave, and murder others. That is not defensive in nature.
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wrong - the nazis were true believers. They believed in Hitler, and Hitler did great things for Germany until his war strategy went wrong. Had Churchill allied with him to fight Stalin and the Bolshevists, as Hitler desired and dreamed of -Hitler would have been the greatest leader of the past 500 years. Those working for the FBI, AtF and military are not true believers. Most are not idealogues-any more than Stalin's people believed in him. They will never fight well -you will never be able to trust their loyalty -slaves are not loyal -as Stalin's troops did, they fight out of fear and self preservation. lenin's jewish henchmen were true believers- but it was a true belief in a movement that served them -they were laregley a clique of atheistic Jews who had a revolutionery mentality. They had no loyalty to Russia. many believed in Communism, but for the most part they believed in their own power and wealth. Obama, Bush , Romney -would never, ever get the type of loyalty and true belif and devotion that Hitler received -not just from the Nazis, but from his troops and the german people. Ron Paul gets true devotion and loyalty - from all of his followers. None of these other establishment clowns gets shit from the people -their only loyal followers are the big money treasonous anti-American special interest bastards that are looting and enslaving this country.
I tip my hat to the two gentlemen above me.
If Ron Paul's not in it will just be Kang vs Kodos anyways...
Why doesn't RP just go rogue now and establish the Independent Party once and for all.
He's explained that many times. Google is your friend you know!
I really have to laugh... the country is an ongoing shitshow, the sitting President is highly flawed and terrified to rock the boat to try and fix anything (from the left or right)... Every policy he advocates is becomes some muddled mess that is paraded as centrist, but in actuality, it represents the worse of both sides...Obamacare is a half assed solution that boils down to mandating corporate welfare for the ins. cos.
The rightwingers are falling overthemselves in a rush to demonize Barry O. The presidency is up for grabs in a way that it has not been for many years if ever, and this is the field of candidates that the Repubs can cobble together as an example of their vision of shining leadership???? This may very well be the most intellectually and morally bankrupt collection of asshats to run for the presidency...
Look, I like RP, he is a decent enough fellow and I admire his principles even if I do not always agree with him. But he ain't gonna win, he could never win... Sorry, but that is just the way it is...
Finally, RP is clueless about energy, and for all his talk about "sound money" he never has explained how all that oil that is imported is going to be paid for if the dollar decouples from crude....
>RP is clueless about energy
i.e. you want some kind of socialist energy czar?
I'm guessing you are not a minarchist, who wants a night watchman state; but rather a full-blown statist who wants a nanny state pandering to the special interest du jour with bureaucrats interfering in people's lives in every arbitrary way.
If that's the case, why not just vote for Obama? Or do you think there is a more malleable, whore-like candidate?
Talk about a non-sequitur and a strawman thrown in to boot...
He is clueless about energy... sorry, the Libertarian Messiah ain't perfect. Hell, I don't want an energy czar, I just want honesty. "Drill, baby, drill" is utter bullshit.
And remember kiddies, an non-interventionist foriegn policy all but insures that the dollar looses its oil-backing. I hope he is man enough to explain that to "His fellow Americans" and what it entails...
And before you construct another strawman, I am not implying Empire is a good thing or desirable, it just is...
The Patriot Act extention, Healthcare and the NDAA all give the President dictator power and tramples the Bill of Rights. He's getting exactly what he wants wjile he tries to maintain the image he is working for the average joe. The noose is already around our necks and most don't even realize it, they are in for the shock of their lives when the lever is finally pulled and the trap door opens beneath their feet.
I seriously doubt that RP will get the nomination, even though I threw a few bucks his way (as I did in his last go around). The cool thing is that the message is gaining traction, especially among the younger crowd. I voted Libertarian in the last go round and probably will again this time unless RP is on the GOP ticket.
Right. The message is important. In a smaller way it was also important back in 1992 when people were fed up with poor choices in both parties. It sorta broke the monopoly for a minute.
Dropping the Gloves Paul/Palin 3rd party.
Do you really think RP would have anything to do with Palin??? I could see the son Rand, but the father has way too much dignity...
Your right on that score. Palin will have nothing to do with a non-intervenionist foreign policy. She's one of those born again, "Rebuild the Temple so Jesus will return" loonies. A true tool for the welfare/warfare State.
It is a possibility, if she "leaves the reservation".
I see too much of an established Republicrat, but I could be completely wrong; and more need to leave the reservation.
I can't see that in a million years!
Do you know who was "mentoring" Palin on foreign policy?
None other than Henry Kissinger....OMG...can you say "the devil himself"?
Barry Goldwater asked himself 'does this law increase liberty or not'? If it did not he was against it. I will proudly say (as Tom Lehrer wrote derisively in his song from 1964 "Oh we're the brave young men who wanna go back to 1910...(sing along now) We're Barry's boys") that I am.
I think RP is more connected to real world politics than Barry ever was. Goldwater was more of a prophet for the right wing, better off as their heroic loser than as a true DC politician who might have made mistakes.
Time heals all wounds, maybe by the time summer rolls along the pressure will have become so great to contain an awakening of the American people with a terrible resolve, keep up the pressure, restoring a republic is a very tall order.
Ron Paul is the Grey Goose.
Ron Paul is the only "thrid party" candidate in the history of the U.S.A. who has a chance of winning.
Woe to the Republicans if they dismiss him.
Woe to the Democrats if they think a thrid party cannot defeat "the machine".
At the least he will rock the foundations of both parties, and it's about damn time.
Teddy Roosevelt did pretty well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1912)#Election_of_1912
I stand corrected, thank you.
Ron Paul/Gary Johnson ticket.
Now that's the stuff.
You're all being fooled by the Ron Paul bandwagon. Just because he is anti-war and anti-Fed does not make him the second coming. He is proposing 1 TRILLION in cuts the first year and most of that is coming from entitlement programs. The welfare state is a bad model and not needed in a true market-driven capitalist economy not controlled by central banks as everyone will be naturally better off. But the damage is done now and if you cut all those entitlement programs in one year you are going to have real riots that make OWS look like a sunday school picnic. He has some great ideas but I'm genuinely scared that in trying to fix a problem too quickly he will hasten the socio-economic collapse.
Much better to end the FED and reduce the military budget by 50% (RP only wants to cut by 27%), wipe out all the debt and then slowing cut back on entitlement programs as theneed for them slowly diminishes. Why can't we have a middle-of-the-road candidate like that instead one extreme or the other. Right now everyone is fucked no matter you sits on the throne, be it Obama, Romney or Paul.
"if you cut all those entitlement programs in one year you are going to have real riots that make OWS look like a sunday school picnic"
Psst.. it WAS a sunday school picnic, as far as the protests go
I'm expecting lots of junks but I would encourage people to think of the effect of imposing $1 trillion of austerity on a country. We've discussed how austerity doesn't work in Europe yet RP is proposing austerity on steroids for the American working class while at the same time abolishing capital gains tax and estate tax - things that benefit the rich. I've been a Ron Paul fan for years but when I looked at his $1 trillion austerity plan I was more than a little shocked. Liberty is great but at what cost? I would say the complete breakdown of society is a cost a little too high? But maybe that is what the ZH doomer crowd wants?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjbkRktqIE
Tang, ...uh ...see any ''effect'' happening from the black hole? or has it suck out your eyes along with your brain?
How's that for a trash? Pretty good huh? Lol. Oops, tried that in the mirror and kicked my own ass.
Is it really about the impossible reality of trillions/the black hole ...at this point?
Paul is just here to confirm the host of the spirit, there is no escaping judgment my friend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWghCdIqedA
People whose entitlement checks are threatened hate Ron Paul. Still, the riots would be over in a few weeks.
System collapse would be far worse (affecting all 310 million Americans) and could kill millions - far better to cut now and turn the ship hard rather than ram the iceberg dead on.
But real people are really going to die, of hunger, of hypothermia, and in the riots. The welfare state needs to go but it could be done gradually to minimise the impact on the poor.
Dear Mr Yello Tang the statist,
Patently false and you have no evidence to back it up. Billions in private money were given to katrina victims and look at the Govs response? Billions given to haiti by private donations. Billions in private money given to Thailand after tsunami. Drug companies give free meds to people who cannot afford them. Stanford offers free education to any person who cannot afford it but academically qualifies. The list goes on and on and on.
Charity does not originate with a state controlled gun to people's head. It originates from people's desire to not let deserving others suffer. Maybe the drug addicted daddy of 10 illigitamate kids would have a tough time but I could careless about him.
Yes....and what he is advocating is for local communities and charities and families to STEP UP TO THE PLATE and fill the gap for the TRULY needy. That is the only model that works and is less prone to corruption and abuse.
But said groups will NOT offer assistance as long as the behemoth fed entitlement machine is providing for those people.
We have become so jaded as a people when we ASSUME that if the federal govt doesn't cut checks that millions would starve and die. Look at Haiti....Americans gave, and gave generously! My own hubby took 10 days off from his surgical practice to go to Haiti and serve. (And when he's not "cuttin", he's not bringin' home the bacon!)
Do we not think that, in the absence of govt "programs", that Americans would step up to the plate and help those truly in need IN OUR OWN COUNTRY?
I think it would be the most beautiful and transformational sight I've ever seen. And that very thought scares the pants off of the slave masters!
It amazes me that with developing trends any rational mind can even imagine a happy ending. We're going to war, baby. Check out the other wars the bankers led us into - quite formulaic. The sheep keep falling for it.
Buzzz! Wrong. To think like that assumes you have no control and the banks have total control of everything. That would make you the sheep.
Why absolutes? Certainly not.
yes, because Iceland's experience of letting the system crash and resetting has proven that it was the wrong path and Greece was the preferred option (muddle through, print and don't impose cuts)?
Which country between Iceland and Greece had better GDP growth last year?
which of the two has 6% unemployment? which has 25% unemployment?
and please don't try and explain to me Greece is imposing 'austerity'... all they're doing is bailing out the banks, austerity has zero to do with it
"Liberty is great but at what cost?" ANY FUCKIN COST. It is the LIE we were fed all are lives and they still feed it to us as they pass more and more laws to take it away. Liberty is the only thing our military should be fighting for and they should be fighting for it HERE.
I would say the complete breakdown of society is a cost a little too high?
That is where we are going no matter WHO is elected. Ron Paul will just give us our Dignity as we go thru it.
The Trillion dollar cuts are going to happen anyways. Mother Nature and enertia will see to that.
He Scares David Rockefeller and Rothchilds to death instead of kissing their rings.
Sooooo if for no other reason than that I will vote for him.
GO RON.
It is interesting to me how people can intellectually argue that the current system is unsustainable in one breath and then argue that it must continue at all costs in the next. We seriously face currency collapse. We can and have continued to fund the unaffordable with thin air. It will work until it doesn’t. The moment it doesn’t is the moment the whole federal government unwinds.
There is a reason the life boats paddled away from the Titanic. You choose, we make drastic cuts or we collapse.
Same logic used for abolition. "Can't just free these slaves we need to do it slowly"
What is practical is moral. No mans life should be the means to your ends. Stop stealing from people TODAY and the world will be a much better place tomorrow.
Ron Paul / Ron White 2012
Whomever is the opposing team (or teams, if RP/RW run on an independent ticket), RP's wit and RW's humor will kill them. Politicians do not respond well to neither.
RP would never live long enough to take the oath. He would be assassinated.
Ron Paul won't be elected because the average voter isn't interested in what's really wrong with American, it's boring.
The average voter couldn't care less about the Fed, nor auditing the Fed, nor ending the Fed.
The average voter couldn't care less about the imperialistic wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
The average voter couldn't care less about eroding rights and liberty.
In other words, the average voter is a selfish self-absorbed sheep who just wants more from the government, and will vote for any politician offering them more from the government.
...Ron wins with people that are not fools? Is there a doubt? Is there even a hint of danger of being unbecoming for agreeing with that? The sad reality is this, the majority already rejected Ron's offer last time and they are going to do it again. The so called minorities, like the black vote, are as fixed on any Assman with half a tan, just like any Old Miss Klan Man is for a cracker combo like Newt Romney. The numbers already proved that fact last time. White Black or whatever, any thing over 95%, muchless 90%, as a block is proof that fools rule that voting block or the block version of a prophet has come.
The majority of American women are not going to vote for Ron either. That voting block declares foolish weakness as a whole and will not vote as a majority for independence, but as usual for the delusional idea of security offered by the Asshole half of the two party farce, with the female minority vote going for the NeoConartist from the Santorum side of the Newt Romey coin that pays for the block. Latino etc... rejected Ron, as did the protestant jewish catholic muslim hindu etc...
The world already reached the line in the sand point in time and is lost. The modern defense required from Americans never came. Ron Paul's last bid for defense already proved this and this time his rejection seals that horrible fact, the global market reality etc... declares it so. The fact is, the majority of Americans do not vote for liberty freedom and independence ect.., they vote against the majority of American soldiers at the Department of DEFENSE!!! That revelation alone is enough to make any sane person puke if they think about that fact for too long. The U.S. military already proved that one last time around too, with their call for Ron Paul.
My friends, we are in the black hole and Americans offer no escape from the correction that this generation shall witness as it falls past the Ron Paul event horizon, if you will, which is nothing but the same old destruction and death, only at the new pace our modern reality has to offer mankind. To confirm this, take a good look into a soldiers eye. See those who suffered combat, or take a look at the child's face, the one that could not escape the crossfire Bush and Rosemary's Baby's represents ...with the help from other wiilfull fools that have fallen for the contempt of Christ and would think to provoke or commit to murder suicide.
The Great Wal Mart of China stands like the walls of Jericho about to fall, only it is silence which circles the city ...as a black hole, not enough trumpets risen for the call. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGRwKHIqeZM&feature=related
Help Ron Paul Save America.
Talk to your friends, neighbors and family.
Discuss what has happened to this nation and where it is going.
Is there a difference between Romney or Obama?
Is there a principled statesman anywhere in America?
This emerging election is about Liberty and the Human Spirit. Yours. Mine. Your children.
Yes. Jobs, the TSA, the Fed, Corporate Power, the Never-ending Wars are all important.
But Liberty is the central value. ' ... Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.'
Once you peel away all the other shrill shrieking nonsense you only have your Liberty.
And once you understand that, there is no other alternative for your future.
You followed Bush or Obama and their party minions into the Valley of Death.
Are you going to march out or are you going to curl up in a ball and suffer in silence?
Your Life and Liberty have value.
Now you have to fight for it.
Fight.
Help Ron Paul Save America.
Discuss what has happened to this nation and where it is going.
Your friends, neighbors, and family will tune you out right there.
They're just not interested.
Don't go to Guantanamo under NDAA, stop supporting the biggest terrorist group in the world, stop paying taxes!
Ron Paul / Gold, Bitches
Ron Paul is an honest man who scares people with a real practical worldview
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asia is just a total bitch
Ron will win in November by a comfortable margin of popular votes and a slim margin of electoral votes.
The US will choose between collapsing into its constitutional/common law roots, or collapsing into chaos.
Enjoy the show, it will be a spectacle (we are only in the second scene of the first act).
As much as this outcome would be welcomed by a large number of independent-minded people, I see a number of buts:
RP will not be allowed to get the nomination
RP gets the nomination, but Diebold wins the election
RP wins the election, but has his own "grassy knoll" moment
RP wins, is sworn in, and is a toothless tiger, unable (or unwilling) to make a difference.
The last one, to me, is the scariest of them all. RP was able to mobilise, move, inspire, call it whatever you want, a large number of people, RP wrestled them from the left/right, blue/red, elephant/donkey paradigm. He may not have been the catalyst for all of his followers, but he certainly made it easier for the quiet doubters to join a movement under the Love slogan. Yes, it is brilliant. Yes, it is corny. Yes, it is disco. But it is primal, and potentially connects people on all levels and in all walks of life.
But there is one though in the back of my mind, and I have discussed it 10 years ago with friends, when the possibility of the economic collapse in the US first raised its head - RP has been in the offce, at that time, for 20? years. He has succeeded to keep his convicition, vote his beliefs, and continue to be reelected. He is one of a select few in Congress, and, probably, the only one consistent politician.
Question was - why is RP the only one? Why is he, if the TPTB is almost omnipotent in controling populace/markets/politics/insert whatever other applicable aspect of our life, why is he allowed to continue to be against the field? Is TPTB not that omnipotent? Or is he useful to them to control the fringe? Again, I had these questions 10 years ago.
Lots of things happened since then. People in limelight came and went, politicians, figureheads, Kashkaris, but RP remained constant. And kept ticking along. He remained the lone sane constant voice in the silliness of the political promises over the years. And in 2007 I bit, hook, line and sinker. I supported his previous run, I donated money, I debated people in his support. We all know how that run ended. Then RP became the chairman of one of the most important committees in Congress, and no results (yes, I read KD, no, I do not blindly follow him, but he makes a valid point).
And now RP is back. Consistent message, wider support, much stronger campaign, fundraising efforts (personal experience) on par with insurance salesmen of the old days. 3rd in Iowa. Wonderful prospects for NH and SC. Empty suit opponents. But somehow I cannot shake the feeling that RP is "allowed opposition". That it is all scripted, and he is the pressure relief valve. And if the pressure is high enough, RP may get across the finish line. But will he amount to anything? What about the 20%+ of the population, judging by Iowa, that support RP? Will they too lose interest once he is elected? Will they give up?
Why do I need to support the man who, for 30 years, stood his ground, fought for his principles, but all of this conviction and fighting yielded pretty damn close to zilch? Why shouldn't I withdraw from the electoral circus and concentrate on me and my loved ones? Why participate?
I didn't ask you to support him.
I have withdrawn from the electoral circus to support me and my loved ones.
I participate only as a small businessman and and artist.
That said, the sheeple who I do business with or entertain as an artist will be better served by Ron than any other candidate. My guess is that the US is ready (and eager) to leave a troubled adolescence and become a responsible adult. Ron as leader will symbolize that rite of passage.
I choose to believe that he will be true to his word as President because he has a lot of heart. I don't know if he will be effective, but his victory in November will be a very powerful archetypal shift in the whole planets psych.
Go Ron!
Government debt will be the black swan as people come to realize that deficits really do matter. Banks can trade 1s and 0s all day but governments have to make payrolls and pay their bloated pensions as well as entitlements, much of it funded by debt and this actually increases the money supply.
Run Paul is more a narrator than a black swan, TPTB will never allow him to actually threaten their ponzi.
Food availability will also become an issue this year.
"He is beholden to nobody (...)"
Except the Republican Party, the Episcopal Church, the Tea Party Movement, the AFL-CIO, the US Army, CMI Gold & Silver, Chevron, IBM, et cetera?
Not what I want in a leader. Sounds more like an idealogue, who like religious leaders often (usually) turn out to be quite dangerous.