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Ron Paul Asks If Libya Is Indeed "Mission Accomplished"
Ron Paul has released the following extended rhetorical inquiry on what the utility of the recent expansion (through very military means) of US and European interests in Libya has been, which more than anything exposes US hypocricy when it comes to foreign national interests. To wit: "Gaddafi may well have been a tyrant, but as such he was no worse than many others that we support and count as allies. Disturbingly, we see a pattern of relatively secular leaders in the Arab world being targeted for regime change with the resulting power vacuum being filled by much more radical elements. Iraq, post-Saddam, is certainly far closer to Iran than before the US invasion. Will Libya be any different?" And he follows up: " With the big Western scramble to grab Libya's oil reserves amid domestic political chaos and violence, does anyone doubt that NATO ground troops are not being prepared for yet another occupation?" Unfortunately, we will get the answer to this question quite soon, especially if a counter revolution in Libya, as many expect, does occur.
From Ron Paul:
Mission Accomplished in Libya?
Even as a major hurricane hit America's eastern seaboard, the administration is determined to expand the war in Libya while threatening the regime in Syria. Is there any limit to government's appetite to create more problems for our nation and economy?
Americans may be tempted to celebrate the apparent victory of US and NATO backed rebels in Libya, since it seems the Gaddafi regime is overthrown. But I believe any enthusiasm for our Libyan misadventure is premature.
The Obama administration attacked Libya without a constitutional declaration of war, without congressional authorization, without meaningful consultation with Congress -- and without a dollar being authorized from the House or Senate. It was a war started by a president who turned to the United Nations for its authority and ignored the authority of the US Congress.
Are we better off as a nation by ignoring and debasing our Constitution? Are we better off having spent more than a billion dollars attacking a country thousands of miles away that had not threatened us? Are we more financially sound having expanded the empire to include yet another protectorate and probable long-term military occupation? Are we more admired throughout the world for getting involved in yet another war?
Still, many will claim that getting rid of Libyan ruler Gaddafi was worth it. They will say that the ends justify the means. As the civilian toll from NATO bombs adds up in a war started under the guise of protecting a civilian population, even the initial argument for intervention is ridiculous. We should not forget that there were no massacres taking place in Libya before the NATO attack. The attack was a dubbed a preventative humanitarian intervention. But as soon as NATO planes started bombing, civilians started dying.
Gaddafi may well have been a tyrant, but as such he was no worse than many others that we support and count as allies. Disturbingly, we see a pattern of relatively secular leaders in the Arab world being targeted for regime change with the resulting power vacuum being filled by much more radical elements. Iraq, post-Saddam, is certainly far closer to Iran than before the US invasion. Will Libya be any different?
We already see grisly reprisals from the US-backed rebels against their political opponents. There are disturbing scenes of looting and lawlessness on the part of the rebels. We know that some rebel factions appear to be allied with Islamic extremists and others seem to have ties to the CIA. They also appear to have a penchant for killing each other as well as supporters of the previous regime. The tribal structure of Libyan society all but ensures that an ongoing civil war is on the agenda rather than the Swiss-style democracy that some intervention advocates suggest is around the corner.
What is next after such a victory? With the big Western scramble to grab Libya's oil reserves amid domestic political chaos and violence, does anyone doubt that NATO ground troops are not being prepared for yet another occupation?
Neo-conservatives continue to dominate our foreign policy, regardless of the administration in power. They do not care that we are bankrupt, as they are too blinded by their desire for empire and their affection for the entangling alliances we have been rightly counseled to avoid. They have set their sights next on Syria, where the US moves steadily toward intervention in another domestic conflict that has nothing to do with the US. Already the US president has called for "regime change" in Syria, while adding new sanctions against the Syrian regime. Are US bombers far behind?
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They bombed Libya and put up a WALMART
With a blue and yellow sign, a clothes rack, and a swingin' copper pot
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone
They bombed Libya and put up a WALMART
They’ll take all the Gadhafi’s, and put em in a Libyan Hole
Then they’ll take all the crude oil on a boat with all the gold
No, no, no
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone
They bombed Libya, and put up a WALMART
Hey Bomber Bomber, Bomber, put away your F16’s
Don’t kill all the folks,
And the Ostrich’s and sand fleas!
Please!
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone
They bombed Libya and put up a parking lot
Hey now, they paved paradise to put up a WALMART
Why not?
Listen, late last night, I heard the Humvee door slam
And the big yellow machine took Muamar away – Hey!
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone
They bombed Libya and put up a WALMART
Well, don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone
They bombed Libya to put up a WALMART
Why not?
They bombed Libya and put up a WALLMART
Hey hey hey
Bombed Libya and put up a WALLMART
Gaddafi wasn't really a tyrant after all. He was just sold to the public that way. It seems he was actually a great leader. there is a video of truth out about Libya and Gaddafi. Then all the information in it was confirmed.
See for yourself, I would like to have lived in Libya under Gaddafi due to what he did for his people.
http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2011/08/truth-about-libya-watc...
The US dollar is a petro dollar. The military exists only to secure OIL. Everything else published is meant to distract you.
function {reserve currency (oil.trade)}
if (oil.trade) == USD;
then Foreign Policy is nice.
else (INVADE(replace.leader.with.puppet))
usurp.oil.reserves (but claim genocide)
end.
By appealing to tons of bullshit about the Constitution and other patriotic crap, Congressman Ron Paul is able to seduce his brute and ignorant constituency while doing nothing at all in Congress (a clever way to make easy money). He is just part of the establishment while pretending to be a "genuine patriot." Moreover, Dr. Paul is also a mediocre version of one of Leo Strauss' categories of society: the Gentlemen
The gentlemen, are lovers of honour and glory. They are the most ingratiating towards the conventions of their society – that is, the illusions of the cave. They are true believers in God, honour, and moral imperatives. They are ready and willing to embark on acts of great courage and self-sacrifice at a moment's notice.
Besides that, Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. The sooner the US economy collapses the better, so these brutes will finally learn NOT to live beyond their means.
You keep serving that up... but no one is buying it.. for good reason.
me thinks Wanky is an algo that gets triggered whenever RP is mentioned.
Nice Pair! and we could start to track that guy - An RP WANKOMETER!
There are quite a few RP algos on here......
He's a great tutorial on how to suck at criticizm.
More crazies come out and blather on about conspiracy theories.
Speaking of which, anyone else here think it is odd that one of the first things the "rebels" did was setup a central bank?
Yeah and how easy is that. I found that very odd that a central bank was created right after the revolution started early in the year. Didn't sound like it was planned or anything or there was outside help at all. People should use commonsense, as the Central bank creation was a huge red flag that these were not rebels but there was big money and power behind them. Banksters
Rothchild's hired thugs at work. Was there ever any doubt from the beginning of this "revolution"? I want to vomit when I see the lies thrown around everywhere in the MSM about Gaddafi. Yeah sure, the peasants were revolting against completely free health care and education to the highest level, dirt cheap gasoline, $50,000 gifts to each married couple for their home, housing for everyone, half the cost of a new car paid for and on it goes. It was an example of what could be achieved in society when not under the yoke of the Rothchilds and that had to be stopped before the rest of the planet started waking up.
if mammary serves it was ZH that mentioned it shortly after the "revolution" began.
http://argo.zerohedge.org/article/libya-all-about-oil-or-all-about-banking
Is there any instance of this happening before or anything like it?
The problem is that the character of the people running things give crazy conspiracies credibility.
Rebels setting up a central bank? Not that I know of.
I've certainly never heard of it... but, clearly, this doesn't mean it is so... although, I have a sneaking suspicion that it hasn't happened... certainly not with this type of turnaround/success/etc.
Astoundingly stupid, I'm in awe!
Ugh! Would you either find something new to say or just go away? This repetitive claptrap is dumbing down my favorite site.
Since this is 'fight club', i'm all up for a rigorous debate about Ron Paul.
But please bring something to the fight.
You can't just say "yo mama" or "you fat" and expect to win a conversation.
Please show us how is is 'pretending' to be a 'genuine patroit'.
I would think a 30 year voting record in Congress would stand on its own two feet.
Where is his constituency 'brute and ignorant'? Contrast this to the masses who believe the mass media? Who believe in our 'mission' in Libya? The war that is not a war that we've won although we never 'fought' it?
Please show me an example where Ron Paul has shown any hypocrisy.
If you want to convert us Paulbots/Paulites/brute/ignorant constituents, we should be easy to convert since we are ignorant. Show us the way oh master. Show us who the true leader is who has a RECORD of DOING WHAT THEY SAY THEY BELIEVE IN.
Next you're going to tell us Obama brought us 'change'.
Ron Paul envokes the spirit of the founding fathers and the constitution when it's politically convenient for him. Every politician has a "schtick" which they use to differentiate themselves from all the other Washington charlatans. His "End the Fed" schtick happens to be the mantra du jour, due to the dubious results of Keynesianism over the past three years and the glaringly obvious proof that the Fed works for the bankers, not the people.
When he's standing behind a podium or doing fundraisers, Ron Paul takes a fundamentalist approach to the Constitution much like fundamentalist Christians interpret the Bible. But just like the Bible thumpers are often full of shit, so, too, are the "Constitutionalists."
Show me the part of the Constitution where congress is mandated to take $8M in taxpayer funds to pay for "shrimp marketing." Show me where any of the $400M in earmarks that Ron Paul requested in 2009 are supported by the Constitution. Why are RP's earmarks any different than those of other politicians?
Every one hates Barney Frank, right? He exemplifies all the bullshit Washington is famous for, right? Take a listen to RP's interviews after he was appointed as chair of the Fed Oversight Committee in December 2010. In every interview, RP praises Barney Frank. Why? Because Barney Frank supported RP's nomination to lead the Fed Oversight Committee, providing RP wouldn't do anything drastic during his leadership. It's called "controlled opposition," and sure enough, not one thing has changed in 2011 and nothing will next year, either.
If you take his message on face value, Ron Paul might appear better than other Washington charlatans, and his message might have a particularly stong resonance during these days of questionable Fed policies, but in the end, RP is just another politician - and actually, he's one of the biggest porkers in DC.
Like you said back in January:
Our quest for freedom from oppression is more important than any tragedy that might arise from it.
Surely any of Ron Paul's actions that give you pause are more than offset by his tireless pursuit of freedom?
Sounds like RP praises Frank for something in common. Congressman Frank, not bad with everything, from wikipedia:
And when I first do my research on Paul, I come across these attacks from 2007 on Paul pork spending for shrimp farming. Not pork, ended up being money to protect US food supply from China.
His record easy for anyone to find with a click of the mouse. Too bad for you.
BULLSHIT!
Your hypocrisy is inversely related to your english skills.
....being money to protect US food supply from China.
"Protect" ???? .... that's the key word.
*LOL*
Government protection is EXACTLY what libertardians stand AGAINST, and it further proves my continued assertions that libertardians are as IGNORANT as they are HYPOCRITICAL! Just like Tea Party idiots.
Libertarians claim to believe in the cruel, unforgiving world of social darwinism, the freedom to make good/bad choices, and the necessity of learning from the consequences of those choices.....but only when the government money being spent does not directly benefit them (just like Tea Partiers and their hypocritical bullshit.) Hilariously, you're ok with spending $8M for the government to PROTECT "shrimp" interests, but not ok with the government PROTECTING the interests of others, like the poor and down-trodden. Every politician could claim that their particular earmarks "protect" someone's safety or health or shelter somewhere.
Truly hilarious! If that money was going to a black community to protect them from bad shrimp, all the libertarians would claim that people need to learn to make better choices, do more research on the shrimp, and that the "free market" would eventually flush out the bad shrimp vendors. Instead though, since it's Ron Paul's earmarks, you're suddenly ok with government protection. Pure bullshit.
Yet another perfect example of libertardian HYPOCRISY!
Libertardians: "Cruel social darwinism for everyone, except us!"
*LOL*
You should stop telling people what they believe in.
If Ron Paul never got any money earmarked for his district, you would call him out for allowing the Federal government to steal from his constituents. You have set up a situation in which NOONE can be principled without being a "hypocrite".
You would call a slave yearning to be free a hypocrite for accepting food from his master. That is exactly how stupid your argument is.
HYPOCRISY ALERT!
*LOL*
Anytime a libertardian is forced to defend Ron Paul or libertardian ideologies, they immediately incriminate themselves.
Supposedly, when Ron Paul spends money (shrimps or otherwise), it's in an effort to get his constituents' money back.
When other politicians spend money, they're Keynesians wasting money, racking up unsustainable debts.
Ron Paul 2012: "It's only wasteful if another politician spends it!"
Thankfully, we have green and red arrows. Otherwise, libertardians would never be able to defend themselves and their ideologies.
Such a lame group of cowardly hypocrites. And, of course, tomorrow they'll start posting bullshit about being "troll slayers" or something equally geeky.
NO, you fucking idiot. In libertarian philosophy, the crime occurs when the tax is collected, or the debt imposed as a future liability on taxpayers or dollar holders.
NOT ONE FUCKING RON PAUL SUPPORTER HERE IS AGAINST EARMARKS, YOU DUMB FUCK. Earmarks take money THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROPRIATED and REAPPROPRIATES IT for something else. Get rid of those earmarks, and the money is still spent, only now it goes to the pet projects of the very few most powerful in congress or in the executive.
And you'd like that, wouldn't you?
Realism and "making friends" is the best you can get out of a politician. Every politician's career is a choice between sticking to "principles" and effectiveness. They don't calll it "the devil's profession" for nothing.
Been there in my own small way...
Idiot -go post on denninger's sight- he's just as stupid as you. he supported Obama last time -Thinks Obama and rick perry are great and Ron paul is the worst. he'll probabbly endorse Rick perry this time. This is a really good sight with some very smart people posting -but ocasioanlly a retard and clown like you shows up.
@wanklord.
I fear your assessment may prove to be correct, even, if the wolf does not realize he is one when he dons the lamb skin...
Funny how this exact same cut and paste piece appears time after time from Wanklord.
I just got a p226 in .40 . Would you help me to test it out? I'm not used to anything but 1911s in .45, but I have tons of brass and lead in .40 that came with my new to me rl550b, so why waste the .45? No, really.
A positive from me b/c I feel bad never having seen 50+ negs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek&feature=player_embedded
Leo Strauss? ?
Oh yeah another trotskyite to hold up as example of... nevermind you are too far gone sorry I wated these keystrokes on ya
dup
Harry Wanger = ElizaV2.0,
WankLord = ElizaV3.0
Sorry, but you robotz should get back in a Wall Street basement and trade some stawks!
By appealing to tons of bullshit about the Constitution and other patriotic crap, Congressman Ron Paul is able to seduce his brute and ignorant constituency while doing nothing at all in Congress (a clever way to make easy money). He is just part of the establishment while pretending to be a "genuine patriot." Moreover, Dr. Paul is also a mediocre version of one of Leo Strauss' categories of society: the Gentlemen
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Proper observations are still very unpopular on this site.
I ran that script and it said I needed to install dot.net framework 3.5 service pack 1.
LOL
Shows you how long "foreign policy" as been really about the USD being and oil currency.
He wanted to sell his oil for the GOLD dinar. If he did it then others would follow. That would be a very steep cliff for the petro-dollar.
I have been deeply looking into Libya ever since I heard that the rebels opened a new central bank just weeks into the civil war, That seemed so wrong to me that my curiosity was piqued.
I searched for documents about Libya that were written before the current troubles to try to see for myself what it was like in Libya before these troubles.
I found most of what is showed in this video to be a correct representation of how it was in Libya. I did not look into the Lockerbie stuff, so can't verify that at all.
I was really shocked when I found out Libya was practicing participatory democracy since I was already a participatory democracy zealot when I found this out.
Things looked like they were really great in the video, and for the most part things were pretty great in Libya. However, I believe from my research that the original protests were real and not just staged by the west. In recent years, Gaddafi had been taking back some of the power he gave the people by inserting faithful people into the government committees in Libya. I think this was because Gaddafi was trying to comply with the west more because of the trade embargoes. Gaddafi was also grooming his sons to take over for him, which infuriated the people who were devoted to their participatory democracy.
I do think that having a participatory democracy that was socialistic and used a better banking system than we are subjected to was disliked by the West. It is dangerous to let those ideas start in the world. So, in addition to the oil, the Western powers wanted that banking system and that government stopped.
Meanwhile, Fraud Street continues to melt-up on virtually zero volume while PMs get raped. "Business" as usual.
Oh c'mon PMs aren't getting raped -- they're just getting diddled a little bit.
Well, maybe it's not "rape-rape". I suppose.
more like date rape
I hardly see how raping a medjool is the same thing...
Everyone remind your daughters: roofies and medjools don't mix!
Did you see the flashy outfits they were wearing? They were asking for it.
Very amusing on an otherwise dull afternoon. Many thanks.
Heads up, people.
Gadaffi's forces never collapsed. They were bombed to death.
NATO changed their rules of engagement and ignored the UN mandate to do nothing more than protect civilians.
Gadaffi's forces over the past 2 weeks were never anywhere near threatening civilians. Hell, they were in purely defensive perimeters around Tripoli, DEFENDING CIVILIANS, and got bombed.
There are quite a few people at NATO right now that deserve prosecution for war crimes.
and yet Assad has murdered over 2,000 civilians in Syria. Why aren't we bombing his tanks?
Why has no one in the main street media spoken about it? why is there no support for bombing Syria.
I'm not wanting another war by any means, but the media should at least expose the hypocrisy.
Maybe it has to do with only ~300,00 bpd of oil production in terminal decline and no export ability? And that the MSM is repelled by the Peak Oil meme?
For the media to expose the hypocrisy would take a huge amount of courage, self realisation and humility. They are the means by which the hypocrisy is allowed to continue. Basically, there's more chance of me winning the lottery. And i dont play it.
peak are the only principles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
Golden shower
All part of the jewish banking plan. Create havoc in middle east, show that all is well in US than send the poor blacks and underprivlieged white slobs off to fight for their country. What a disgrcae we have become as a global power our govement sold their soles to the devil.
how come if you're black you're poor but if you're white your're underprivielged and a slob?
how come only jews are in on the peak oil motives?
It was not meant that way, any black who is poor is also underprivledged, you cant possibly be that dumb. Your comment about Oil makes no sense, how about giving some thought to what you write??
are they a slob too?
(as you admit) your last nine words are ironic...
by the way, is it only the "jewish" banking scheme? Man, those folks have more control than I thought
If you purchased 1 ounce of Gold on this day 1 year ago you could sell it and make a profit of $545.90.
If you purchased $1,240 worth of Silver on this day 1 year ago you could sell it and make a profit of $1,495.
What do you mean by the comment that PM's are being raped?
Fair market price of Gold based upon the futures contracts, derivative contracts and money supply is $2200.
I mean Gold down $42 and Silver down about $0.90 - that's a pretty good-sized 1-day, zero-news move after the sell-off of the last week or so, no?
Simply short term porking, LJS. I know. Don't get me wrong - I'm hoping for a little lower so I can start buying again. But seriously, Fraud Street is up 2% on nothing while PMs are down 3-4% on even less. Seriously?
Any time stocks are up and gold is down, you can start buying gold. Stocks are moving up for the same money printing reasons as gold, but with a far weaker fundamental basis.
I buy no matter what the current price is. When I have enough fiat that needs to be exchanged for metals I buy metals. I don't attempt to play around and wait for a dip. Only once did I (accidentally) buy a dip in that times price range. If I had been attempting to buy a dip I would have never bought.
I don't even consider 50 point moves signifigant anymore. I just think of gold as an 18 dollar stock bouncing around a buck here and there. It reminds me of silver at the same price.
Prime Ministers are getting raped? LOL! Why, Heaven forbid!
Wow, now that is a image I certainly didn't need floating-around in my head this rather slow afternoon.
Spot on, but still amazing that Ron Paul is allowed to publish anything or that he has not had a "sudden heart attack" at this point. As an aside, has ol' Ross Perot kicked the bucket yet? just curious.
Because his Martyrdom would be the equilivent to that of a Martin Luther King, Jr. TPTB don't want him remembered which only leaves them to hoping he won't win the Republican nomination and then quietly retire into the abyss.
Just like they were wrong in 2008, they will be wrong when he fights tooth n' nail down to the wire with Rick Perry. It is gonna be close, but I think we will have the dollar crisis Paul has always been talking about before summer 2012 that will shoot him to victory over Perry.
You could very well be correct on everything you say... until the end. It will never get a Paul victory... the Law of Physic rule will com into play first.
blah, blah, freaking blah. We won't get anywhere with non-starter comments like that. We do the right thing. Damn the torpedos.
No shit. People don't seem to realize that Dr Paul is making huge inroads and that it will come down to Paul vs Perry. Bachmann's faggot husband will get caught in a public restroom, Romney's Moronism (typo stays!) and Romneycare will sink him, and none of the other guys are even players. Palin, Trump, Gingrich- none of them will come in at this stage.
Perry is slick, and has the banksters and neocons on his side, and the establishment Rethuglican machine behind him, but Paul will slaughter him. He's a weasel with too many skeletons in his closet.
Dr Paul's chances of winning are far better than the MSM and the average person realize.
Perry may be a fag too. Google it. Also check out Robert Morrow
Hilarious!
A collection of lower brain stem libertardians discussing presidential candidates, and the primary concern is who might be a "faggot" and the religious affiliation of another.
It's no wonder the right wing in America is slowly drifting into irrelevance.
Libertardians 2012: We hate everyone!
Thinking of yourself again?
Perry being gay would be funny because he is running on a Christian conservative ticket, and it makes him a hypocrite, you dumb fuck.
Funny how you are now defending the republicans you used to claim to hate so very much. Makes your position VERY clear. You LOVE the system as it is, and will vomit forth any lie or slander to defend it.
Mosley man, this gem of a character HATES all who desire monetary honesty. It means his life of dependency and/or debt will have to end. He hates those who tell the truth, as the truth will vanquish his status quo. He hates all who have saved, lived within means and scratched out a successful career. He and his ilk are the envious haters of the world who, since they won't work for it, want to either steal the success of others for themselves or burn the success of others down to the ground. He is a troll of epic proportions.
Very nice and I completely agree. Going to Ron Paul rally this weekend. They are already getting amazing.
"Dr Paul's chances of winning are far better than the MSM and the average person realize."
Absolutely, I mean, look at this field. Cain and Bachmann had their month in the sun and are now gone. You have the dumb-as-a-rock/corrupt Perry and Mitt Romney (who knows what Romney actually believes in at this point?) Newt Gingrich? Rick Santorum? Please.
Paul's chances still aren't great, but they are not "zero percent" as many pundits are more and more frantically trying to claim. I like that Paul is laying low in expectations at this point, we don't want his stock to peak until January.
One can dream. If there is a god, then perhaps he'll win. I'll continue to support him in a system and a race that seems to be fixed. TPTB own the media, and Diebold (now Election Systems and Software) voting machines are easily manipulated by TPTB.
In light of recent events, how many people still consider Perot to be bat-shit crazy for saying the government tried to sabotage his daughter's wedding?
My take.... Perot was "one of them". Purpose... to get NAFTA passed. Needed a Dem in office to do it (too much traditional left opposition for a Republican to succeed in passing it). Peel back enough R support to get Clinton elected. Perot "failed miserably" in his TV debate with Al Gore over NAFTA. Perot had to drop out of the race when he did when he did because he was on his way to winning the election, which was never the point.
The numbers to that election are very similarly to 1912, Teddy Roosevelt runs as a 3rd party, splits the Republican vote fairly evenly, Wilson is elected with 42% of the popular vote (Clinton with 43%). Of course Wilson gives us the Federal Reserve, WWI and the income tax.
they threatened his daughters safety (papa bush)
allegedly. But Perot never pressed for an investigation... then re-entered the race. Doesn't pass the sniff test for me. Every election is s staged event... some more than others.
Yep. The whole ross perot thing was so fucking crazy weird and stupid. Then he turns around and gives us a fucked up rigged oil market. He's as dirty as they come.
George Will said on Sunday news TV that Libya was a Big Mistake. We have bascially handed over another country to Al Queda he said.
That doesn't sound like State approved commentary. How'd he not get that censored?
And the left is crowing about Plastic Jesus Obama's success in Libya without putting boots on the ground. Like a Nobel peace prize for only killing "enemy" is of greater virtue than a predecessor "war criminal's" getting some of our uniforms bloodied alongside the "enemy".
because now the Gov can use the al qaeda threat to justify NATO ground troops for "security". mission accomplished.
Did he mention that it was by design?
This is the plan. Watch and see how our remaining freedom disappears due to the (now real) threat of a dirty nuke. Watch for a false flag coming to a major city near you in the (quite probable) near future. Why else would one hand over a country to questionable rebel forces?
Now I'm being echoed by a lunatic. My day is complete.
And George Will and Ron Paul are spot on.
Libya is to Obama as Iran was to Jimmy Carter.
Once that sinks in, people will hopefully begin to wake up.
Al Queda-lead Libyan Rebels will be very thankful to Barry and Sarkozy for all the weapons, training, gold, etc....
Sarkozy is a shoe-in for the next Nobel Peace Prize especially if he extends his invasion of Libya to Syria.
Gee, george, ya think? Actually, we handed another country over to the CIA. Who do you think runs America? If you don't think it's the CIA and wall street bankers, get your head out of your ass...
Of course, don't forget Israel, the CIA's #1 partner, when they're not trying to sodomize each other.
have a nice day...
Israel has nothing to do with America's wars.
Afghanistan? Why should Israel care for that forsaken place?
Iraq? Israel can manage on its own if it comes to that. If you bother to check the record, Israel's recommendation was to NOT invade Iraq (interestingly, aligned with other countries in the region).
Libya? Syria? Egypt? What does Israel has to win from destabilizing these countries? Only troubles!
FWIW, it doesn't take a hi-school diploma to foresee that all of us would be better off had NATO/US refrained from these wars and interventions.
Convinient lie does not make it true.
In fact, the CIA is not known for its support of Israel.
NO BLOOD FOR OIL!
NO BLOOD FOR GOLD!!
What happened to the anti-war crowd?
(cricketts chirping)
pro-peace person present.
No room for scruples when 'their guy' is in office..
The silence from the left about Obama's war crimes is sickening. In a choice between McCain and Obama, I picked O (no, I didn't vote for him- Dr Paul is the only person I'll vote for) since I thought he just might bring the troops home. He suckered his anti-war supporters, and now they support his new wars- fucking brain dead gutless commies.
Truly, it's a sight to behold. Says much about the sheep populace. They are completley lost..
Pulau, @ 14:39,
NO mistake brother, pre-planned.
BIG win for the NWO.Gives us another war we can start.....................Boots on the Ground.
O. T. ,You know the custom of NO jewelry of any kind during the month of Ramadan.
Well,our illustrious leaders wedding ring(needed repairs,mines been on for 33 yrs, and it's hunky dory,LOL,how do you damage a circle of gold?.), and his watch too evidently...........as he's without BOTH.
Wonder why.
I struggle with inserting ourselves into conflicts for which we cannot clearly define who we're "for."
Meet the old boss. Same as the new boss.
I googled "Who are we for?" and it came up something about TouchPads and Cheney.
So I can't help you.
PMs are getting cheaper to buy! That is GOOD news. PM LONG!
Who really cares what the moonbat paul has to say. This is a guy that thinks the jihadi's in Iran should be able to have nukes, we should have asked Pak (read tip off OBL) before we killed him, and who thinks the US is to blame for 9/11 (ask Thomas Jefferson about the jihadi's - he understood.)
'Jihadi's' lol another 'cave ninja' believer.
What a fucking pussy you are. Afraid of someone in a cave when the U.S. has enough nukes around the world to light it all up several times over. When real unemployment in the U.S. hits 50%, it won't be someone in a cave 6,000 miles away that pussies like you have to worry about.
My guess is that this troll would also say that the U.S. has "the best intelligence agency and military in the world". Again, if this is true, why the fear of "cave ninjas"? Talk about fucknut.
You two are as witty as you are intelligent. "Someone in a cave"??? Guess you missed 9/11, or have no clue as to what a couple of nukes could do to Jerusalem, NYC or Wash DC.
All our nukes won't prevent that when those launching the nukes at us are confident such events will lead to the coming fo their second imam. Really, you should try to understand those who would destroy us before you ignorantly dismiss them. But the lack of reason and understanding makes you a perfect Ron Paul supporter.
Well done. Thanks for the proof of the stupidity of his supporters.
"All our nukes won't prevent that when those launching the nukes at us are confident such events will lead to the coming fo their second imam. "
Guess what fucknut, you stink of fear. By the way, ALL our nukes won't prevent another oklahoma city either. So you are saying that we should make decisons based on FEAR. YOU really are a moron. How about we take care of americans and THEN extend a hand after our own house is in order. I'll let the voting decide who the fucking pussy trolls are. Go back to sleep you good sheep.
You confuse fear and reason. You don't understand the difference, so how in the hell can I expect you to even try to understand our enemies.
Just ignore them, they'll go away right???
if only ignorning israel would make it go away... but it is like a large festering cancerous tumor with tentacles wrapped throughout the U.S. economy and governmental system. going to take something big to get that monkey off our back.... our real "enemy".
It works for trolls. Now go away with your silly ad hominen attacks.
I served two tours in 87 and 89. I understand our enemies very well. Have you ever served fucknut? Fear leads to confusion and poor decision making. Poor decision making leads to your enemy killing you. I understand reason, knowledge, and wisdom. That is why I have done well. Again, fuck off troll, you stink of fear and lack wisdom and I have better things to do.
Whenever Ron Paul is mentioned, no matter what website, the trolls come out... and they always have the same MO. My guess -> the anti-Paul trolls are on .gov payroll.
Does not surprise me. I read just this morning about how wonderful Rick Perry's suport team was...
All of the armed forces supporting Ron Paul gives me hope. The military is awakening to the fraud being perpetrated on the US public by the banks, corporations and politicians. Some great future leaders will emerge from their ranks. Even if Ron Paul does not win, the djinni is out of the bottle. I would rather live in a dangerous country and keep my freedom and liberty; cowards have no place in this country.
I will take it one step further
"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security, deserve and will get neither" -Ben Franklin
how about YOU try and understand our enemies.
Why the hell are we at odds with Iran in the first place?
Who keeps escalating it?
Who installed the shah of iran (a dictator)?
Who funded and supported Saddam Hussein? Who provided the chemical weapons that he used on the kurds?
Who funded the mujahideen (Taliban) when they fought the Soviets?
That's blowback and its a bitch.
Now ask yourself
1. is Harmid Karzai the next dictator of Afghanistan. And will he remain friendly to the US or are we going to be bombing the shit out of Afghanistan in 25 years time when we find some excuse.
2. The CIA stated Iran was not building a bomb. So this comes down to 2 things. Either you believe the CIA and they are correct. Or you don't believe the CIA and you think their intelligence is faulty. If the former, there's no issue, they not building a bomb. If the latter then why do you trust any other intelligence about any other country in the middle east?
3. Who funded and supplied Mubarak with tanks, planes, bombs and military equipment?
4. If we install a US friendly dictator, and 30 years later a radical imam speaks out against the atrocities that this dictator does, what will happen? The local populace will join him to overthrow the dictator and install the radical imam. Where has this happened? Iran. Similar situation in Bahrain, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt etc.
People like you always look at one little detail and expand that to the world view. How about doing some historical research and find out why things are the way they are, FIRST, then see how that applies to your current little detail.
'They' do not 'hate us for our freedom'. They hate us cos we're bombing the shit out of civilians there. Yes there are radical fundamentalists, but those fundamentalists need the support of the local population to survive. For every errant NATO/US bomb that kills a dozen civilians, 100 'terrorists' are made. And don't just say 'collateral damage'. When an errant bomb destroys your family then come talk about 'collateral damage'.
Say Mexico puts drones along the border and started bombing any trucks they suspect are carrying guns into Mexico, unilaterally. Would you consider that an act of war? or is it just Mexico fighting narco-terrorists?
Ron Paul is not saying ignore them. He's saying the EXACT opposite. ENGAGE in dialogue with them. Open trade and diplomatic channels. Sanctions don't affect anyone in power. You think Kim Jong Il in North Korea can't get any car or trinket he wants? Nothing stops him from getting it. Who suffers. The people.
Remember the 'bad' 'evil' vietnamese? Intel just built an $1bn factory there. Why aren't we still bombing those 'communists'? Why are we engaging with them? Why aren't we isolating them?
great post.
Well writen Post - Great thanx
I hope your avatar is just pretend, like your reasoning
The 'Judge' has been supporting the Fed, fiat and dissing Ron Paul his entire ZH career:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/exploring-secrets-federal-reserve
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ron-paul-cato-institute-bringing-transp...
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/dylan-ratigan-discusses-audit-fed-suppo...
Pro-establishment Troll. Period.
Thanks for the sleuthing, Shell Game. Sick warmongering murderous fucktards like "Judge" should be sent to Afghanistan and Iraq to see how their evil plans have created an entire generation of people who HATE the USA now because we killed their sister/daughter/wife---but, hey, she was just collateral damage! No harm, no foul!
The blood of innocent Americans, not to mention innocent people worldwide, is on his satanic hands. I hope he rots in hell, and takes a trip there SOON!
I try to imagine what a nuke would do to jerusalem, and for some reason, i'm having difficulty convincing myself, it would be all bad. al qaeda= mossad
I understand Nazi's are huge paul supporters.... perfect match.
Jeeze - I'm not at all much of a fan of The Ronulan and even I have to ask for some linkie-love on that one before I junk it.
Read the post above mine for one example. Here's a link to others, it's not hard to find.
http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2007/10/neo-nazi-support-for-ron-paul.html
you can also research his former chief of staff and good friend Lew Rockwell.
Uh, so delacroix is a Nazi in your book? And you're giving me a link (that I can't connect to because my office spam filter catches it as "Dangerous") from, did I read this correctly, 2007?
Never mind. Enjoy yourself.
A => B
A implies B
DOES NOT MEAN B implies A
B => A
Logic states
NOT B => NOT A
So in your example, if a neo-nazi supports Ron Paul, it does NOT imply Ron Paul is a neo-nazi.
Someone failed a logic course in uni. Go back and study harder. Or maybe just go read Nicolas Taleb's books on how stupid people are when it comes to interpreting basic statistics and logic.
it wasn't the only course
Not so fast fucknut Judge, is that your name? My wife is Jew and she is Paul supporter. Of course we have problem with his words that nuclear Iran is okay. But Paul follows constitution unlike our other Presidents. So no one would have problem becuase Congress would vote NO.
When we see posts like Nazi love Paul, it actually a good sign that status quo worried. So it's better than if not there.
do you get paid to write this kind of rubbish or are you off your medication? Which is it?
I junked both of you (delacroix and judge).
yeah, get em'! Although you are incorrect, Israel doesn't actually have any right to exist. opps.
There is a difference as to whether a country has the political right to exist and nuking millions of people.
Israel has the same right to exist like any other country.
Most other countries aren't any better on those criteria everybody and their sister conviniently points to when criticizing Israel.
Then why do you keep bitching about him? If Nazis love Ron Paul, then you should be boosting him, not spouting crazy theories and displaying total ignorance of how the world works, Nazi style.
The truth is, the Nazis, yourself included, HATE Ron Paul, because he is your diametric opposite. You love those in power now, because they are just like you, only with a nice sugar coating.
Truth is, only the insane are Nazis, because they know what happened before, yet here they are doing the exact same things, and expecting the result to be somehow different.
moved comment
I Judge you to be...a dick. Try your pro-establishment bigoted bullshit somewhere else. Your shit does stink and noone likes it...I know, if that Bull Dyke Madcow is looking to hookup, maybe you're woman enough for her. You both have the same viewpoints and ability to spin fact into crapola. Give it a lick, you might find it's up your alley...
Judge,
Just move to Israel if you love it so much. Americans are done fighting Israel's wars.
+++ It's a hard drug to quit, israhole...
Regretably, American's fight wars dictated by big-biz and political interests.
None of these wars has anything to do with Israel. Certainly, they do not help Israel.
Afghanistan? Why should Israel care for that forsaken place?
Iraq? Israel can manage on its own if it comes to that. Israel had warned the US against ivading Iraq (interestingly, aligned with other countries in the region).
Libya? Syria? Egypt? What does Israel has to win from destabilizing these countries? Only troubles!
Judge, before you paint the supporters of Ron Paul with the same broad brush, maybe you should get some first hand experiance. Military personnel in the middle east are the #1 suporter of Dr. Paul's libertarian views. This is a fact. Secondly, Dr. Paul does not dismiss the threats to the US, but instead puts them in a historically appropriate perspective, rather than froth along with the biased media. Third, have you been to any of the countries we are currently occupying (or attempting to?) Several of us have. The story is not what the media portrays - just as the media intentionally tries to ignore Dr. Paul's candidacy and (growing) popularity.
When was the last time you voted for a political candidate who either kept their campaign promises, was consistent with their voting record or was not backed by some special interest group?
Ron Paul's supporters do not blindly follow, but rather prefer Liberty being allowed to lead.
Military supporters - actually that's pauls propaganda. it includes donations from civilian workers who work for military contractors. out of approximately 2,000,000 in the military, pauls 'donors' in this category number about 500. Duh. The vast majority in the military haven't even begun supporting and most can't afford donations. The military NCO's and officers I know, that follow politics, can't stand paul - he would destroy the military's capability to defend this nation and it's interest, devastate research - which means more American troops have to die in future battles due to lack of equipment and technological superiority.
They don't want to die, though they are willing to risk it. Paul simply heightens their chances of dying and they know it.
And paul is the biggest hypocrite in congress, the biggest porker and supporter of pork in committee. He's a man with no honor.
You really need to stop regurgitating the talking points from fox. You have been under the influence of too many skillful propagandists. Do the fox-detox immediately.
Is that the one where you stick your head in the toilet and then flush, repeat as needed?
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/jul/23/ron-paul/ron-paul...
Politifact rated Paul's statement regarding military donations as true.
"And paul is the biggest hypocrite in congress, the biggest porker and supporter of pork in committee. He's a man with no honor."
LOL! You really are off your medication. This is like trying to find the biggest whore in the whore house.