Ron Paul Defeats Obama In Head To Head Polling

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Here's a chart you won't see anywhere in the mainstream media - not the right, and certainly not the left. According to Rasmussen's 2012 Presidential Election Matchups, which pit Obama against any of the four GOP presidential candidates, while the balance of challengers certainly appear to have no chance of defeating the incumbent (something we touched upon yesterday), today, for the first time, Ron Paul has managed to unseat the standing president, by a thin margin of 43 to 41, for the first time in this series.

Source: Rasmussen Reports (premium subscription required)

On the survey methodology: "Surveys covering three days are of 1,500 Likely Voters and Surveys of Two Days are of 1,000 Likely Voters. All Surveys Have a Margin of Error of +/- 3% ."

Some more from today's Rasmussen blog:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -15 (see trends).

 

Just 19% favor increased U.S. involvement in Syria.  The Obama administration receives mixed reviews for handling that situation to date.

 

On the energy front, 58% believe that free market competition is the best way to get gas prices down. Just 27% think government regulations are a better approach. However, 67% believe that oil companies are using bad news to gouge customers.

 

In a possible 2012 matchup, Mitt Romney earns 45% of the vote, while the president attracts 44%. If Rick Santorum is the Republican nominee, the president leads by three, 46% to 43%. Matchup results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern

What is oddly missing is that Ron Paul earns 43% of the vote, to Obama's 41%.

So on one hand Ron Paul defeats the president head to head, and on the other, the GOP itself tells us he is a distant third to two frontrunners who frankly make one question the sanity of every American voter?

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Wed, 02/29/2012 - 21:43 | 2210618 SolidSnake961
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it will be obummer again cuz thats who we deserve

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 21:49 | 2210648 nmewn
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I'm not part of your half.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:04 | 2210923 Comay Mierda
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This poll forgot to adjust for half of the paul votes that will be deleted. the winner is obummer by a comfortable margin.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:15 | 2210964 BobPaulson
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Why more people don't see that having black box machines with proprietary software counting votes as a problem never ceases to amaze me about the U.S..

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:21 | 2210982 Sophist Economicus
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I say we all chip-in and get Ron Paul a gift certificate to a finishing school.   With a bit more polish and the insertion of some periods in his sentences, he really could win the damn thing

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:42 | 2211051 gmrpeabody
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Ditto...

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:16 | 2211147 JW n FL
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The dark horse, underdog, anti-establishment, anti-FED, no news coverage program is paying dividends!

 

unintended consequences! Of Ron Paul winning!

 

Rich people everywhere will no longer have to pay taxes and the poor will have austerity for breakfast, lunch and dinner all year long.. until they die of hunger! Which leads me to the Biggest and Best of the Unintended Consequences! Of Ron Paul Winning! Would be Population Control!

 

No wonder his campaign is so perfectly timed and run.

 

And of course he is like the Manchurian Candidate! He doesn’t even know or understand that he is the top 1%’s wet dream come true! LULZ!!

 

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 01:34 | 2211378 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I agree because freedom is bad. It scares me.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 02:59 | 2211540 Joseph Jones
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JW in FL:

You're really diggin' on that 74% fatherless-home birth rate for USA blacks, aren't ya? 

Gee, you mean people might die?  May I respectfully suggest you ponder long and hard the subtitle of this blog you joined and seem to adore? 

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:44 | 2211057 BeerBrewer09
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he called that shiny coin money?! ain't no way I can get me two 30 bricks of schafer for that little coin...

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:58 | 2211104 The Gooch
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but a couple of bricks of Afghan poppy go a long way! Just ask the Central Infiltration Agency!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihn8ip1Au2M

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:58 | 2211107 The Gooch
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but a couple of bricks of Afghan poppy go a long way! Just ask the Central Infiltration Agency!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihn8ip1Au2M

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:58 | 2211105 CompassionateFascist
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RP is old, tired, and his mom dresses him funny.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:42 | 2211232 Troll Magnet
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obama is young, corrupt to the bone, and his wife dresses him like an ass. oh yeah, i hear he's a pussy, too!

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 01:59 | 2211434 Michael
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Barack Obama’s eligibility to be President

Media organizations from all political persuasions are seeking admittance to a news conference to be held by Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz.

The event is tomorrow at 1 p.m. Mountain Standard Time in Phoenix, 3 p.m. Eastern, and will be live-streamed by WND.

Media finally paying attention to eligibility?   See which major networks plan on covering Cold Case Posse results

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/media-finally-paying-attention-to-eligibility/

 

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 04:32 | 2211636 Magat Guru
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Right! Joe is toast and making last ditch effort to change the subject. What kinda odds might you give me that by November, BO is disqualified AND JA is not underal federal indictment?

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 08:46 | 2211856 j0nx
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Joe ought to dare the feds to come get him if they try to arrest and indict him. Something tells me he would have quite an army of folks defending him from such a thing. This bullshit of the feds using their authority USSR style to silence people who won't fall in line with their policies needs to end now and someone will eventually take a stand against them. Will it be Joe?

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 04:32 | 2211635 Al Gorerhythm
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His ideas are ageless. Your mom keeps you in the basement.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 23:50 | 2215772 CompassionateFascist
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Just back to reply to myself. Hmmmm.....16 reds, not bad. Just added another to make 17. 20, anyone?

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:19 | 2211156 grid-b-gone
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Ron Paul has much in common with the high-voiced, shy Jefferson and the less-educated Truman.

Television gives 3-point free throws to sound bite Ken dolls.

 

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 01:19 | 2211346 Teamtc321
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I like Ron Paul just the way he is, look what slick talking crooked banker slime have got us so far.........

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:03 | 2211936 Vince Clortho
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You mean we should judge a man by his ideas and his message ... America will  have to think about that.

Meanwhile, how 'bout that Mitt Romney?  The TV says he's the goto guy and he already has plenty of Wall St. experience.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 10:31 | 2212338 Coldsun
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There is the proverbial sand in the gears, Americans will have to think. Most of us would rather be spoon fed what our opinions will be.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 01:33 | 2211373 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I say we all chip-in and get Ron Paul a gift certificate to a finishing school.   With a bit more polish and the insertion of some periods in his sentences, he really could win the damn thing

 

Ron beats Obama in the cited poll already. Finishing lessons are not the problem. Corruption in the Republican party and the media is the problem. You could transplant Ron's brain into the clone of young Cary Grant and he'd still be written off as an unelectable kook.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 04:39 | 2211641 Magat Guru
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And Razzy's historical margin of error is what -- 7% or so?

That being said, RP is saner than Sanctimonium and more honest than Rmoney. So howcum he gets so little respect within his own party? 

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:19 | 2212548 monoloco
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Saying "um" every three seconds didn't keep Obama from being elected.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:55 | 2211091 whoisjohngalt11
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Romney has the black box thingy down pat in this race...

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:13 | 2211137 The Heart
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"Why more people don't see that having black box machines with proprietary software counting votes as a problem never ceases to amaze me about the U.S."

Ah, but we do see it as a huge problem and more and more proof that there is machine vote fraud is coming forth.

Check out this bunch of new info that is being investigated now.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B_wWk...

Please share this info around and look into it if you are any kind of expert. This cheating Ron Paul must stop before we go any further into the election process because if is isn't, there is no sense in having an election if they are going to just steal the vote process itself. These evil criminals that are causing this MUST be brought to justice NOW!

Videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OynCgwmD-HM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZON7RjSxTJg&feature=results_main&playnext...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUs-DoeqI5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBx__69pkpY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l96vNvsrCT0

 

Pass them on!

 

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Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:29 | 2211194 fourchan
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electronic voter fraud with propriotary tabulation code that is 100% non accessabe by investagators.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 01:42 | 2211393 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Each voter could receive a randomly generated serial number.

A database of election results could be posted online showing the votes cast by each voter anonymized by the random number. Individual voters could check their serial number against the vote record in the database. Folks who like to play with spreadsheets and such could download the entire database and make sure that all the numbers within the database square.

Problem solved.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 03:42 | 2211573 Deo vindice
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Or ... we could simply mark an X on a paper ballot and allow someone from each camp watch the vote count.

Problem solved.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:10 | 2211962 Vince Clortho
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Good idea ... we need to start somewhere, because the current system is a joke.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 01:58 | 2211432 The Heart
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And the hits keep on coming!

Imagine if this is really happening.

What can be done to prove it and shine the light on the corrupted election machines?

A lot of graphs here folks!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?363915-We-NEED-more-hands-on...

 

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 02:01 | 2211438 krispkritter
Thu, 03/01/2012 - 08:02 | 2211780 cnsteph
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There are only two choices on the VA ballot.  None of the others got the signatures required to be put on the ballot. 

Office Jurisdiction Ballot Name Party Web Site President Statewide Ron Paul Republican http://www.ronpaul2012.com President Statewide Mitt Romney Republican http://www.mittromney.com

Hopefully, VA isn't too ignorant to choose the wrong one.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 08:05 | 2211785 cnsteph
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There are only two choices on the VA ballot.  None of the others got the signatures required to be put on the ballot. 

President Statewide Ron Paul Republican

http://www.ronpaul2012.com

President Statewide Mitt Romney Republican http://www.mittromney.com

 

Hopefully, VA isn't too ignorant to choose the wrong one.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 08:52 | 2211887 j0nx
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Virginia has become a very liberal state in the past 10 years thanks to multi-culturalism and an influx of radical liberals in the NoVa area. Romney is the GOP wet dream candidate for this state because he is basically a liberal RINO and custom made for the local GOP establishment here. RP stands ZERO chance in Virginia.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:48 | 2211069 spastic_colon
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partially true.......and if you look at the interesting negative correlation in the chart, it appears that the democrats strategy of pulling in votes for Paul (meaning those Dems who will not vote for Obummer again) to keep them from the other republican candidates is working.  as long as the votes do not go to Romney et. Al. Obummer's camp can still win.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 04:25 | 2211623 grekko
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Good point, Comay.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:20 | 2211162 NoClueSneaker
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He neither :-P

bipolar personality disorder  ...

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 21:49 | 2210650 Abiotic Oil
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I want to see a one on one debate on Constitutional Government between Ron and Barry.

A Teleprompter-free zone.

"Barry, have you actually ever read it before?"

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 21:55 | 2210684 UP Forester
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A:  "Of course not.  I consider myself a Constitutional Lawyer, afterall...."

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 22:59 | 2210743 nmewn
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Negative Liberty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jr9mLB3yKs

Change bitchez!!!

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What part of this is no one getting?

He's saying the government should be preeminent to decide the lives of people. To do still more of it's miraculous works.

Like Solyndra. Fast & Furious. LightSquared. Fannie Mae. Energy fucking independence. Removing us from the gold standard. Spend trillions unsupported by any semblance of a tax base.

He's upset/acknowledging that the state is constrained by the Constitution. That burearcrats could do still more...if this "meddlesome parchment" that our entire system of law is based on...wasn't in the way.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:44 | 2211117 BoNeSxxx
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+1 

Sheeple need a sheep dog.  It would be nice if they had one that wasn't owned by the wolves for a change.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:39 | 2211216 Harbanger
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I don't think people really understand the change they have coming.  Fundamental Transformation Bitchez!  This is no time to be sending "messages" to the republicans.  I'm afraid to imagine where we would be if the people didn't put the brakes on Barry in the 2010 elections.  This election is critical if you expect to ever return to the Constitution and rule of law.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 10:24 | 2212304 trav7777
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how'd that "redistribution" work for South Africa, Rhodesia, Zaire (or wtfever it is presently called)?

blacks never built any of the wealth they seek to have redistributed to their pockets.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 15:06 | 2213604 Colonial Intent
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Now-now trav if you remember back in the day us U-ro-pee-annes landed on their shores and stole their wealth, thats why most african states consist of a port with a road leading to the various resource areas.

Kinda like USA did with the native americans and their land :-)

Zaire's doing great we sold em a 28 million pound air traffic control system that never worked in exchange for a virtual monoply on water rights in their country.

Their govt could of said no but then we would have cutoff food aid to them, like the USA did to get its "allies" on-side for Gulf War 2.0

Same process just different times and places.

 

 

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:37 | 2211210 bgilliam83
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You moron.  Obama DID read The Consitution, many times, in order to exploit it. 

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 22:15 | 2210775 r00t61
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Not allowing Telemprompters for politicians sounds unconstitutional to me.

We need an amendment protecting the right of all politicians to have telemprompters.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 22:53 | 2210884 Bunga Bunga
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Telemprompters are people!

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:11 | 2210948 Abiotic Oil
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The right of a president to use a teleprompter shall not be infringed.

Pry it from his cold dead hands and all that.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:49 | 2211250 shuckster
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Syria has a Constitution too 

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 01:33 | 2211374 Harbanger
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It's irrelevant, Barry and US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg prefer the South African Constitution over all others.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:28 | 2210990 smlbizman
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none of it matters debates, constituiton nothing will ever change and heres why. i will crudely and quickly  try and  asses the problem of why society in any country,  has never and  will never succeed , and i will define" succeed" as a sustainable system with natural growth , trust in people ,sound money and true honest common sense representation for all. this also includes murder, rape, war, etc. so im not implying a utopia by any means. ...however the reason this will never be achieved is because of the structure of mans nature. i believe that the majority of us would like to live under my definition of success..  the problem is the type of man that may  believe in my "succeed" system are by nature live and let live people focused on their lives, not trying to run others lives and respects success..... the  group that "wants" and thats the problem, wants, {thats their nature}, to run things  get split up into 2 groups the... "manipulated"...., who are convinced their rah rah rah i know whats fucking best for the entire planet person,  are used as an army of idiots  by the manipulators. these power people will always have an inherent narcissistic personality. so think of the "wants" as oil and the "succeeders" as water. no matter how many times you shake it ,the oil always settles on top.  i could be wrong...

 

 

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 21:49 | 2210653 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Most in the GOP would gladly forfeit the presidency to the blue wing of the War Party rather than nominate Ron Paul. This is because their red wing of the War Party is more important to them than the future of the country. They'd rather see a national suicide than relinquish the death grip they have on their ideology.

 

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 22:05 | 2210738 Cdad
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Most in the GOP would gladly forfeit the presidency to the blue wing of the War Party rather than nominate Ron Paul. This is because their red wing of the War Party is more important to them than the future of the country. 

So...when you wrote that...is it because you are captured, apathetic, or just plain fucking stupid?  Really, I'd like to know.  

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 22:12 | 2210756 dasein211
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Uh no. It's because he's right. Seriously. Red commies and red capitalists both can't think for themselves.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 22:19 | 2210784 Cdad
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Uh, no...they can think for themselves, within the lazily defined groups the previous poster mentioned...as both are motivated to think via greed.  So my point, for you short bus riders out there, of which there seems to be a bumper crop this evening, is that NO ONE WILL BE WILLINGLY giving up the presidency...as that is the goose that lays the goldend eggs...you dumb fuck.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 22:37 | 2210836 LetThemEatRand
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You just fucking nailed it.  Most people base their vote solely upon their own simplistic view of their self-interest.  Think Obama is going to buy you a house which you don't have because you don't make enough money?  Vote D.   Think Romney is going to lower your taxes which you don't like paying because you make good money?  Vote R.  Meanwhile, the whole fucking system is completely corrupt and run by oligarchs who are bankrupting us all.  Go Ron.  I hate him for his fuck the poor guy routine but I love him for his destroy the police state and captured democracy routine.  We need to hit the reset button and he's the only game in town for that.  

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:38 | 2211034 I am a Man I am...
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is it a "fuck the poor guy routine" or is it a poor guy needs to take care of his mother fucking self routine?.....pretty sure it is the latter

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:40 | 2211043 LetThemEatRand
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Some can, some can't.  Ron doesn't see the difference which is my one big problem with him.   

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:48 | 2211070 I am a Man I am...
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right, but RP would argue that this is what all of these tax free charities are for, church on every corner where I live, there is plenty of help out there for those that are truly in need, not sure how you figure that out unless they are mentally or physically disabled

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:54 | 2211089 LetThemEatRand
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That works great in small towns.  Not in large cities.   And those who are mentally and physically disabled constitute a huge percentage of our population.   Really.  Alzheimers, strokes, h/as, etc.   Also, a large percentage of people over fifty will never survive if you take away the programs they have been paying into their whole lives.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:14 | 2211146 BoNeSxxx
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Primitive cultures routinely floated their non-productive members down the river or left them to the elements.

OK, so we prospered for a time and cared for ours.  Those days are comming to an end.

Austerity measures in Europe have brought us 'euthanasia vans' where they come to your house and help you die a-la Soylent Green.  I kid you not.  If anyone asks, I'll post a link or two... At present they must be prescibed by a doctor but they are being piloted in the UK and Holland.  Sometimes for simple pensioners in mild pain.  Oh, and they can be prescibed WITHOUT patient consent.  

De-evolution or evolution?

Guess it depends on your level of civility.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:20 | 2211158 Cdad
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Nice...fucking clutter monkey.  There... my level of civility to you.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:35 | 2211204 BoNeSxxx
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Did you forget the /IRONY?

Or, do you have to close your World of WarCraft game to go look up the meaning of irony?

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:21 | 2211166 BoNeSxxx
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Here is one:

Trying to find the other... too old to remember where I read it.  Guess that means they are coming for me next.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099089/Go-ahead-worlds-mobile-euthanasia-unit-allow-patients-die-home.html

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 02:53 | 2211538 merizobeach
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Wonderful.  I love it.  I want to see huge billboards: "Euthanasia: The Noble Choice!" with smiling old folks being wheel-chaired into the clinic by hot, serene nurses.

And put the clinics in every neighborhood, starting with the insufferable yuppies and their emo kids.  No appointment necessary, all ages accepted, optional counseling, disposal, etc.

Get euthanized, bitchez!  >:-D

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 06:08 | 2211698 Acet
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You are aware that the Daily Mail is a tabloid, right? These guys are the ones that made up the story that the EU regulates the curvature of bananas - their version of the truth is ... very spiced up.

Getting your news out of the Daily Mail is a bit like reading the "Journal of the Incredible" for stories of three-headed babies, Giant Eti sightings and bearded women.

 

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 05:51 | 2211686 Acet
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Funny, I live in the UK and lived previously in The Netherlands and have friends there and yet never heard of "euthanasia vans" in either country. In fact, a quick search in Google.nl, in Dutch, didn't pop-up any results.

Yet, somehow you, probably living deep in the US, maybe even unable to point out The Netherlands in a map (much less tell the difference between Holland and The Netherlands) heard of them.

You must either:

  1. Have spectacular connections
  2. Have a series lack of critical abilities and a below average IQ

 

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:18 | 2212008 BoNeSxxx
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I lived in Uden

Answer is #1

A quick Google search this morning pulled over a dozen hits by multiple sources (not all as dubious as the Mail).  Did you spell your search terms correctly there genuious?

Stay in your own weight class, I don't want you getting your pretty dress dirty.

Stories like this are seeded.  It's called predictive programming.  Google that.  Or, better yet, read Bernays.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 01:00 | 2211287 Prometheus418
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Charity is great- but enforced altruism is not.

Do you really think that it somehow benefits our society and the human race as a whole if we not only provide for, but actually encourage those who are mentally, physically or morally flawed to breed?  Every dollar that you take from me is a dollar I cannot spend to help those who I feel deserve my help- and in times like these, when food and gasoline costs are skyrocketing, you are actually taking from my children, who are able-bodied and mentally capable to support those who are not.  

While it "feels good" to believe that you are helping others by encouraging this attitude of enforced equality and safety nets for the less fortunate, the reality is that you are stealing from those who can actually produce the information and products required to create a surplus that makes charity possible to create a reverse-eugenic situation that makes more and more people absolutely dependant on a system that produces less each year.

Sometimes Justice is ugly, but it is necessary.  Virtue and productivity must be rewarded, not theivery and scabs, if you want to live in a world that does not resemble a back alley in hell.  There will be wailing and moaning when the SNAP cards stop working and the free shit train stops rolling into town- but people will adjust to their natural levels in time, and they will actually feel better for it.  We've got a lady where I work that got hired for a very low-level position about eight months ago, who had previously been wholely dependant on the system to support herself and her daughter.  She is not intellegent, or in possession of any obvious physical charms- but she shows up every day and does her job.  According to her, even though she no longer receives SNAP benefits, and does not have free health insurance, she is still happier than she has ever been- because she has a purpose and a reason to get up in the morning.

People like you just do your damnedest to steal that simple virtue and reward from people like that.  Very few are willing to give things up to report to work, because they don't understand the fundimental link between having some reason to exist and basic happiness.  Instead, they're constantly given cheap shit bought with money stolen from their neighbors and hooked on mind-altering drugs that fuck up my drinking water.

Let those who will not work die.  Give those who are willing to work something to do, and suppliment that as necessary.  I know you don't agree- but I am not willing to concede that your opinion gives you the right to steal from myself and my family.  This has been pushed to the point that sooner or later, one of us is going to end up danging from a gallows- pray for your children's sake that it is you, and not me.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 03:49 | 2211575 i-dog
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"a dollar I cannot spend to help those who I feel deserve my help"

Therein lies the nub of the problem for the liberals/fabians: Their self-worth is so low that they believe nobody will help them to continue to live in the manner to which they have become accustomed.

No matter how many charities there are on their block (there are plenty now - and would be many more if families could return to the days of one working to bring home the bacon, while the spouse is doing voluntary charitable work between dropping the kids at school and picking them up again), the fabians want more than just a helping hand ... they want what you've got.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 06:03 | 2211694 Acet
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The purpose of a so called "social safety net" is to provide a baseline below which people are not allowed to fall.

Other people benefit from this through reduced criminality, better control of contagious diseases, more economic growth (from people who fall on bad times and quickly go back to being productive citizens thanks to that social safety net), the increased social stability that comes from reduced inequality and some people even enjoy the knowledge that nobody will be left behind.

Even without the ethical and moral angles, it is actually positive for everybody in a society to have some kind of "social safety net".

The problem around the "social safety net" is that some of those on it are parasites that relly on it and never try to become productive members of society even though they could. The problem are the parasites, not the "social safety net".

 

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:08 | 2212501 LongBallsShortBrains
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How many people who depend on the safety net don't own a television or cellphone? I'll bet most have cable or satellite tv. I bet that at least half eat in a restaurant more than once a month. How many own cars?

We reward laziness and penalize hard work and saving.

Just like the solution to the problem of borrowing too much cannot be achieved by borrowing more. The problems caused by rewarding the non-productive through stealing from the productive cannot be solved by stealing MORE from the productive in order to reward the non-productive.

ESPECIALLY when you consider how many government "jobs" ( which produce NOTHING and cost plenty ) and their associated costs are needed to perpetuate and carry out this madness.

Have we fucked this country up beyond repair yet?

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 10:47 | 2212403 LongBallsShortBrains
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P418.. Going out on a limb here assuming you are not from California. Am I right?

They steal from us to take care of the poor and needy is bullshit.

They steal from us in order to give themselves a job, and use the poor and needy as their justification.

Somewhere along the way, driving past somebody and not stopping to feed them, became a bigger crime than stealing money from me to feed them.

The libtards look at this as altruistic, and buy right in.

You and I see it for what it is and so do the scum that perpetuate it.
The irony is:

The people who try to help the "poor" in this way end up making all of us poorer so that they get to keep their job. How altruistic...ahem selfish and greedy. In the long run, this system will fail, and those who collect " gib me dats" are going to suffer much worse than if they had learned a trade besides playing "poor me" to the gubmint.

Those who have saved and learned trades and are able to take care of their family will do very well once this libtard madness ends.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 04:58 | 2211654 Likstane
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So they die...

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:35 | 2211205 piceridu
Wed, 02/29/2012 - 22:38 | 2210840 David Wooten
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"NO ONE WILL BE WILLINGLY giving up the presidency...as that is the goose that lays the goldend eggs...you dumb fuck."

That is not correct.  Much of the GOP hierarchy would rather lose the Presidency than see 'their' party taken over by Paul. 

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 22:44 | 2210863 Cdad
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Maybe no one in your life has had the courage to say it to you yet.  Fear not...Cdad is here for you.  You are a MORON if you actually believe what you just wrote.

Self-esteem is NOT something that is learned in a classroom.  It is earned through the trials of life, and failures as well as successes.  You have just FAILED.  Try to learn from it.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/media-finally-paying-attention-to-eligibility/

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:09 | 2210939 LetThemEatRand
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You are the one without courage my Red Tribe friend.  Ron Paul would take a LOT of Blue Tribe votes.  He would likely beat the big O in an election.  ORomney may win, but Paul is more likely to win and ORomney won't change much.   I voted for the big O, and whatever change you think you see is coming from talk radio.  Really.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:18 | 2210975 Cdad
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What the fuck are you talking about?  You are trying [uselessly] to flame me...while MAKING MY COUNTER POINT!  That is not bright.  Of course you confess that you voted for President Zero, confirming your utter lack of sense.  

Look...I get that some repubs hate RP.  I get it.  My point is...they only hate him so much.  I'll add...RP would probably draw a shocking amount of DEMOCRAT support in the General.

As for RP beating President Zero in an election...we AGREE.  So why you are striking out at me...well...it is quite a mystery.  I leave you, Scooby, and the Mystery Van to figure out what your actual point is...which is utterly unclear...as in not apparent within the context of my counter argument.

BTW, I haven't a fucking clue what this means:

ORomney may win, but Paul is more likely to win and ORomney won't change much.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:32 | 2210995 LetThemEatRand
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Many in the Red Tribe vote for ORomney because they don't like Paul's anti-war stance, even though they know Paul is more likely to win.  

My vote for O over McCain did not exhibit a lack of sense though I fully admit it was a bad idea.  It was the result of a lack of real choice and I hated McCain more than I hated the version of O sold to me by the media.  They were both equal douches.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:33 | 2211015 Cdad
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If....then you SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO VOTE.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:36 | 2211029 Rynak
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That is the first (to me) reasonable response by you, in this thread. Totally right - don't betray your conscience just because you get offered no better option in a rigged game. Actually, if EVERYTHING ELSE fails, run amok on the bastards, and selfdestruct.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:38 | 2211033 LetThemEatRand
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No, I should have voted for someone else.  If we all did that, we would not have this problem.  The obvious problem is douchebags who tell us to pick one of the assclowns on the red or blue ticket, or to go home if we don't like assclowns.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:46 | 2211063 Sophist Economicus
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Leave him alone CDAD, he was a VICTIM of the media...LOL, what a shock

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 23:59 | 2211108 LetThemEatRand
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Not really a victim of the media.  A victim of not doing enough of my own research to realize that O was part of the same machine that spawned Kissinger.  I made a judgment call that he would be different.  I was wrong.  Fool me once.  P.S.  I voted for Ross Perot over W Sr. and Cigar guy.  

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 00:16 | 2211151 buckethead
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LTER is kicking someone's ass, and it isn't mine.

WND links say a mouthful.

Get you some Daily Paul and let Rush go golfing. One month of independent thought can change the world. Give it a try, c.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 04:02 | 2211600 StychoKiller
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So, you ignored yer principles and voted for Obamatron?  No one feels sorry for you.

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