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Ron Paul "Faces The Nation" On September 11 And Other Key Topics

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Rep. Ron Paul, who is statistically tied in first in the Iowa polls among the 2012 GOP presidential candidates, spoke with Bob Schieffer on how America's flawed policies contributed to 9/11, his stance on dealing with Iran, and the dismantling of key government institutions. Must watch, as unlike the other GOP candidates, Paul never peppers the audience (pardon the pun) with banal sound bites, moronic meanderings and pandering platitudes.


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Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:39 | 1895985 Temporalist
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Here is a youtube version if one prefers:

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:50 | 1896016 TheAkashicRecord
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Loving all the comments on the video, the internet loves Ron Paul.


Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:24 | 1896114 spiral_eyes
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ron paul is the only one for me and millions of others.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:52 | 1896198 whstlblwr
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No one can under estimate the measure status quo will take to undermine Ron Paul election. All of us need to prepare for it. If it's true and MF Global was hit, it could also be to hit wealthy RP supporters. We need to think like them. What would you do to undermine winning election? Then we fight against it.

Those who live in closed primary and voted Obama last election, change your voter registration to vote in primary for RP. These closed primary states.

New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
Rhode Island
South Dakota
West Virginia

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:43 | 1896338 granolageek
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New Hampshire is an open primary state. Registered independants can vote in either primary.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 17:14 | 1896421 LawsofPhysics
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Many states are like this, mine is.  These primarys are give you significantly more voice, I suggest everyone take advantage of them.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 19:34 | 1896688 whstlblwr
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I took list from If someone has better list than this, please post it.

Everyone do search for your state for voter registration, in Mass if register as Independent not eliglible to vote for Ron Paul in primary.

Those who against RP will work to make registration confusing and difficult.

"Can Independents vote in the Massachusetts Primary?
Yes. (Be careful here. If you have officially declared your party as the ‘Independent Party’, you won’t be able to vote. If you’re not sure that you are a part of the Independent Party, trust me, you’ll know.)

"Can the ‘Unenrolled’ vote in the Massachusetts Primary?
Yes. (‘Unenrolled’ is the official term for what we used to refer to as ‘Independent’. If you are unenrolled, which means you belong to no party whatsoever, you may show up at your polling place and choose a Democratic or Republican ballot.)

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:39 | 1897350's picture

I can confirm that Pennsylvania has a closed primary and you must be registered Republican in order to vote for Ron Paul. Do it.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 04:46 | 1897833 Temporalist
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A better, cartoon version:


Sun, 11/20/2011 - 21:32 | 1897182 PulauHantu29
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Paul and Huntsman are the only two talking common sense. The others---all rhetoric BS.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:22 | 1897450 merizobeach
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I'd be interested to hear Huntsman's religious views; I wonder how much sense he would display when talking about metaphysics and his own personal goddam flying spaghetti f'n monster.  Mormonism is absolutely BULLSHIT, and anyone who believes in it is absolutely incompetent to lead a superpower nation of 300 million people (nevermind that those people themselves are not also moronms).  Has anyone ever done a ranking of the most arrogant demographics in the world?  I think I'll put the Mormons in my top five.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:32 | 1897477 merizobeach
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When the option was McCain (and his 'hundred year war' in the Middle East), I was willing to see what kind of 'hope, unity, and change' the world might get.  My litmus test for the new administration was ending the fraudlently started wars.  When Big O's first act as pres was to up the ante by 30K soldiers in Afghanistan, I got my answer.  So to be clear, I am not a supporter in any way, but does anyone really think that Obama is going to lose next year?


I'll vote for Paul if he runs, otherwise I won't vote.  As an aside, I didn't vote in '08 either: my choices of voter registration were CA and AZ, and thanks to the corrupt electoral college, my vote wouldn't have mattered either way, in either state.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:54 | 1897521 jeff montanye
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register republican, vote for ron paul (or gary johnson, but ron paul is more likely to win).  he's got to get the nomination to get a chance to beat obama, who is eminently beatable.  even employment and sentiment as they are now bode ill for obama.  in a year?  much more vulnerable.  also obama has dispirited his base and generally given rise to the most intense case of buyer's remorse in history.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:56 | 1897630 Yamaha
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Merinobeach - you still a dickhead. Ever read the Constitution. Religious affiliations have no place in elections. After all - lets pretend the born agains have the answer.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 01:54 | 1897699 Joe Sixpack
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If you half a brain or more you would realize religion does matter. Just because the ACLU and others have shut religion out of official gov. business does not mean that we as individuals cannot consider religious issues.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 05:12 | 1897840 Azannoth
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"Has anyone ever done a ranking of the most arrogant demographics in the world?"

I bet you Christians/Muslims/Jews would far outpace any Mormon arrogance

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 19:03 | 1896714 andia
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Ron Paul is an universal soldier as he can practically answer all questions regarding US presidency, economy, foreign policy, etc. and he believes in what he says being very consistent for almost all of life.

Have you ever heard about Bill Still - Libertarian candidate for president ?  He has  excellent coverage on economy including very unique view on money printing, brave position on FED, IRS, income taxes, banks, etc. He will never be covered by big media for obvious reasons.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:25 | 1897581 hugolp
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Bill Still is not a libertarian (he knows it), his followers are loudly anti-libertarians, and he is just trying to confuse people. His monetary ideas are as wacko as they can get. 

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:55 | 1897942 AE911Truth
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Source: The Flaming Sword, Vol. XII September 2, 1898

"If that mischievous financial policy,[interest free colonial script money], which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."

What this means is that our $250T debt would not exist today if congress had not passed the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, and we as a country would collectively be $250T richer. More than $1M per taxpayer richer. We The People should tell congress the US Constitution does not give congress authority to delegate to the Fed or anyone else, the power to create our money. We The People declare the Fed's powers unconstitutional retroactively and demand the illegally paid interest be returned. All $1M per taxpayer to be returned back from the owners of the FED. Colonial Script and Greenbacks worked as Unit of Account and Transactional currency. So can HR-2990. See FOFOA for details. Preserve wealth in Silver and Gold.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 01:23 | 1897673 Fight the forei...
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Is everyone prepared and spreading the word to get out to vote on the primary elections to get Dr. Ron Paul on the ticket for 2012? Here is a link that shows when the primary elections are for each state. If you are in a closed primary race please make sure you are registered as a Republican or if you are a Democrat to switch your party affiliation so you can vote for the good Dr..

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:57 | 1896037 GeneMarchbanks
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Ron Paul Interview On DeFace The Nation 11/20/11

Bob certainly did his part to deface now didn't he?

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:06 | 1896243 JPM Hater001
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What about bob?

He was a fucking jerk.  Tried to twist Pauls words especially on 9/11.  "So you blame America for 9/11" You will notice a lack of punctuation...becuase that is just how he said it.

Paul had to reinforce...our policies encouraged it.

He makes a good point.  I mean it's been a long time since Mars or Mt Olympus have attacked us and we have no policy on them.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 19:09 | 1896734 RDO
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Old Shrivel DickBob Schieffer got a major smack down from Ron Paul!

Old Shrivel Dick would ask RP a question... RP answered the question... then
Old Shrivel Dick would restate RP's answer twisting it to fit his liberal agenda.
But he was totally unprepared for RP challenging his restatement attempts!
Old Shrivel Dick Bob Schieffer was getting visibly upset with RP. 

Way to Ron Paul!   Save the Union... Vote for Ron Paul!

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 20:11 | 1896973 Bring the Gold
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Was that the same Liberal agenda that Karl Rove was following when skewering Ron Paul and making sure RP was denied media coverage during Bush's Admin? Amazing how since Obama got in the Republicans gave RP the microphone every chance they got...UNTIL election time started then they moved his ass right back to the margins.

It's not Liberal vs. Conservative you fools! It's Fascist vs. strong representative Republic. The Fascists don't give a shit about political parties, they use them BOTH. If you fall into the Liberal vs. Conservative paragidm you have already lost. We need to vote for those who will restore the republic regardless of whether they are Dems (unlikely), Republicans (barren except for RP) or a 3rd party (Gary Johns, Bill Still, and others, by far the best field of the 3).

I will be voting Republican in the upcoming primary, but if RP is defeated there is no way in hell I'm voting for Romney or Perry. They are just more globalist tool shills JUST like Obama, Bush I, Bush II and Clinton.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:42 | 1897358's picture

It's not Liberal vs. Conservative you fools!


Folks are waking up. Folks are learning. Let's talk with them and ease them along, not call them fools.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:54 | 1897380 Michael
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We don't need no stinking Federal Department of Education. We already have 50 Departments of Education, one in each of the 50 states.

The social liberal engineers need the federal education system in order to keep the entire population homogeneously brainwashed and compliant with their collectivism ideology.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:01 | 1897398's picture

We don't need the Department of Education. We don't need no thought control. No snarky comments on Face the Nation, Schieffer, leave those kids alone.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:01 | 1897530 jeff montanye
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exactly.  remove a brick from the wall.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 01:57 | 1897702 Joe Sixpack
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In fact do we really need state level dept. of education? Isn't education supposed to be a  lcoal affair?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:38 | 1898047 Casey Stengel
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As a teacher, this is the one department that certainly needs to go. Each state has a dept. of education and the best policies are the ones made close to home. Bureaucrats aren't faceless when they're local.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:58 | 1897528 OrestesPenthilu...
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What's with this Bill Still bullshit.  He's a Greenbacker all the way.  His idea of 'reform' is to have Congress in control of FIAT currency.  So instead of the FED's funny money, we have Pelosi and Boehner in the basement of the Treasury giggling and printing up PelosiBucks.  Watch the interminable film made by him called "The Money Masters" on youtube, and pay attention this time.

I come to ZH to read smart (and smartass) comments.  Bill Still and Ellen Brown are wolves in sheep's clothing.  They hide behind "abolish the fed" in order to travel in these parts.  Get with the goddam program people.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 01:38 | 1897685 baby_BLYTHE
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Still is no Constitiualionlist. If he were true to the Constitution he, like Paul, would at the very least support the idea of Competition of Currencies! He instead feels a monopoly should be held on the currency by the congress, but not to have a true form of money independent of centralized control. His system will fail just as the Federal Reserve System is failing before our very eyes today.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 01:59 | 1897703 Joe Sixpack
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His view is a step in the right direction, but I go with Paul.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 20:28 | 1900810 Scroby
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Bob came across as a condescending asshat.  Ron Paul did a great job not taking the bait, IMO. 

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:11 | 1896077 PulauHantu29
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""Gold's spectacular decade-long run -- abetted recently by Europe's sovereign-debt crisis, the U.S. budget deficit and fears of a double-dip recession -- has tapped a new vein of investors in their 20s and 30s.

Gold's popularity among young investors speaks to the metal's role as a storer of wealth, and it says a great deal about a generation that has seen asset bubbles burst and governments fail to clear a path to prosperity.""


Gold appeals to a younger crowd

The precious metal's allure is thousands of years old, but these days it's attracting a new breed of young investors who are leery of stocks.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:27 | 1896300 BidnessMan
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Thank you from all us MAC users where Flash video clips can't be viewed.

Quite an attempted Hatchet job from Bob at CBS.  Lots of " Do you enjoy beating your wife ? " type questions.  Glad to see Mr. Paul can deflect those types of questions and make his points.  My sense is the MSM is starting to panic.

I sponsored 2 minutes of the Ron Paul blimp flight back in 2008 - would enjoy doing that again! 

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 17:00 | 1896382 Temporalist
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There are better options I believe. 

First, Phone Bank.


Second, Super Voter Brochures.


Sun, 11/20/2011 - 17:31 | 1896454 Husk-Erzulie
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Could he be any more pathetic (Bob, I mean)?  Limp, obvious hatchet job, no subtlety whatsoever.  Bob, MSNBC is on the line; they desperately need another pathetic jerk to round out their line up of agit prop spewing tools.  :-)

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 01:45 | 1897691 williambanzai7
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Mon, 11/21/2011 - 02:00 | 1897705 Joe Sixpack
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Who is he pointing to? Congress?

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:58 | 1895994 GeneMarchbanks
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Is it just me or does Paul get interrupted/cut-off way more than anyone else?

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:17 | 1896092 Freddie
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They do not want you to hear the truth so they try to cut off, interrupt and ignore Ron Paul.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:39 | 1896159 GeneMarchbanks
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“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Gandhi

I'd say Bob was tryin' to fight him. So next up... PAUL WINS!

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 17:15 | 1896423 GenXer
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That was more dismissive and condescending so I would say stil in the laugh at you phase. But the establishment is starting to get a little concerned, trying to shut him down.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:41 | 1897355 FEDbuster
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First ignored him, now trying to twist his words and destroy him and if he gets too popular with the "End the FED" "stop the endless wars" rhetoric, well you know what happens.  Just ask JFK.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:07 | 1897541 jeff montanye
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not sure how really anti establishment kennedy ever was but this guy, paul, makes no bones about it.  i would absolutely think that assassination by secret executive order (cia, mossad, other) is his first concern especially should he win or come close in iowa.  the powers currently in control will not go down easy.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 02:02 | 1897709 Joe Sixpack
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If he were assasinated, and it were in any way suspicious, I think you would see a violent popular uprising.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:54 | 1896362 DeadFred
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I'm sure you must be imagining it. No one would be unfair like that. S/

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:47 | 1896006 runlevel
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did anyone else look at the date thinking the title was refering to the date of 9/11 :)?

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:48 | 1896007 Bob
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Seems like everybody is mind-boggled by Paul's vision of ending the Fed.  I'll agree with that one. 

But with all the government he would also end, I find it very strange that nobody pushes him on ending the Corporate Person as an essential component. 

Without protecting real people from psychopaths fat with obsene quantities of OPM, Ron would--in the world of his wildest dreams--merely condemn us to our Corporate-Feudal fate. 

Ron Paul's Vision comes up catastrophically short, imo.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:50 | 1896019 CaptA
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Do more research.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:52 | 1896026 Bob
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Do tell.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:00 | 1896044 Bob
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Obviously I'm liking it.  Got anything else on this issue?

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:08 | 1896061 bob_dabolina
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He's delivered over 4,000 babies. That's a fact. 

That's equivalent to the entire student body at Roger Williams University.

No other candidate can say that.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:13 | 1896148 Bob
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I mean . . . alot of us loved BarryO because he was black.  So WTF does delivering babies have to do with anything?

Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.

Hero worship does. not. work.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:14 | 1896260 bob_dabolina
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So are you doubting the importance of babies?

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:22 | 1896279 Bob
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I'm doubting its relevance, man.  Sorry to be a smart ass that way, but really?

We all must steel ourselves against that kind of bullshit, imo. 

It's the underlying story line of our sheephood, it seems to me.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:24 | 1896289 bob_dabolina
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You're doubting the relevance of babies? That's some sick shit man.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:40 | 1896327 Bob
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I must confess that I am a loss to know what to say to that.  You would seem to be serious. 

How about you do me a favor and explain it to me, then. 

If that wouldn't be toooo sick, of course.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:46 | 1896346 bob_dabolina
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It started out as a light joke but you took it so seriously I just kept going with it.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:55 | 1896366 Bob
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Damn, I should pay more attention!  Sorry.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 18:39 | 1896626 UGrev
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Precisely why you should do more research :)

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 18:56 | 1896686 Bob
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 I'd say it's Ron's fault for hiding that light beneath a basket.  I'll look forward to hearing him make it perfectly clear. 

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 19:50 | 1896884 Bicycle Repairman
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The media's been hiding Ron's light.  You might not hear him making "it" perfectly clear in the MSM.

Are you fucking dense?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 07:27 | 1897885 Bob
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I've seen him interviewed repeatedly on MSNBC.  He never mentioned the Corporate Person.  There's no reason he/his campaign can't get him on record regarding the Corporate Person.  Even a self-produced youtube video--not a camera phone video of a passing encounter in a crowd, but an "official statement"--could go viral.  It would be big news to alot of people. 

Damn, you folks are hypersensitive to reasonable, good faith "criticism" of Ron Paul . . . you'd think I were trying to torpedo him here. 

You could take it as genuine interest and well-meant advice: I'd like to have somebody to vote for. 

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 17:07 | 1896401 All Out Of Bubblegum
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My wife said she's leaving me because of my obsession with The Monkees. I thought she was kidding, then I saw her face.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 18:31 | 1896604 ironmace
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Now you're a believer?

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:50 | 1897379's picture

If she takes the last train to Clarksville will you meet her at the station?

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:36 | 1896320 lotsoffun
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obama is as black as he is white.  infact - his daddy was really black and his mamma was really (obviously) stupid lilly white.

so anybody can play that anyway they want to their advantage.



Sun, 11/20/2011 - 19:28 | 1896800 margaris
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more than 50% of congress are lawyers.

Its refreshing and telling to see a doctor there.

Skincolor says nothing about integrity or moralilty but the profession may give you hints.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 20:33 | 1897023 StychoKiller
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So, you voted for Obamatron in 2008 to prove you're not a rayciss -- who ya gonna vote for in 2012 to prove you're not an idjut?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 07:49 | 1897894 nmewn
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"I mean . . . alot of us loved BarryO because he was black."

You voted for someone based on the color of their skin?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 02:03 | 1897711 Joe Sixpack
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And I believe he has aborted none.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:10 | 1896069 TheAkashicRecord
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I've been a supporter of Ron Paul since 2007 (even bought a t shirt! ha), he doesn't seem to talk about it much, although when he does, he certainly makes his opinion unambiguous.  I think it is an issue which a lot of his supporters would like him to focus on more in public appearances, especially now, as the issue of "corporate personhood" is becoming manifested in the zeitgeist.  

Another thing, concerning FEC v Citizens United, Independents, Repbulicans, and Democrats were all overwhelmingly (between 70-80%) against it - it most certainly should be something to focus on with that sort of public support!

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:26 | 1896121 CaptA
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Ron Paul delivers babies without his hands. He simply reads them the Bill of Rights and they crawl out in anticipation of freedom.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 18:40 | 1896628 UGrev
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This is one area where even Chuck  Norris can't win.. 

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 18:58 | 1896664 Normalcy Bias
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...And alas, we straight men spend the rest of of lives trying to get back into other vaginas. Indeed, the irony is rich...

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 20:04 | 1896945 TheMerryPrankster
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you know, there is nothing at all wrong with being a medical doctor and actually working for a living doing things like delivering healthy babies, some of which he did for free. I think it speaks volumes about his detractors when the things they choose to criticize and ridicule are some of the most necessary things in life.

Ron Paul could be retired and fishing in Florida, but instead he works to try to change the politics and policies of this nation. I hope when I am his age, I still have the passion and the mental facilities that he has.

In a stagnant corrupt political environment, he is one of the few who speak out and speak the truth instead of parroting the same old party line.

We should cherish and support men and women like Ron Paul and not spend our time finding ways to be clever and insinuate things about the character of people we don't know.

I don't think babies have much in the way of vocabulary until they've spent a few years on earth. I'm sure your comment was meant to be witty in some way, but to me it just demeans his work and life.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:34 | 1896147 TruthInSunshine
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The only politician who's been consistent on the issues, and observant of the central principle of constitutional restraint UPON government, his entire career, that i know of.

A true Patriot, whether one agrees with all, some or none of his positions (if none, it's my humble and free opinion that you may be part of the problem).

He'll never be elected, sadly, because not only is the Main Stream Proxy Ministry of Truth Parroting Media out to completely sabotage him at every turn, but because even if they weren't out to do so, sheeple like the blue medicine, sticky sweet and addictive, allowing them to graze on without worry for a few more hours/days/weeks/months/years, rather than feeling the burn that the red medicine of truth initiates, but at least purges their system of the toxin of ignorance and delusion.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:54 | 1896206 The Fonz
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He does not need to be elected, even as ?Mc Kinley? did not need to be in order to be a positive influence.  He will gain a portion of the vote, a portion large enough to change the platform of all other candidates. I intend to write him in if he is not on the ballot. I also agree however that he will not be elected with one caviat. If things blow up before the election he will seem like a prophet and could perhaps win.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:02 | 1896229 Temporalist
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Changing the platform, as you say, is just talking points for those twofaced politiscum.  Of course his policies and platforms have been co-opted by his competitors and dating back to lasy cycle his Repub competition was asking his campaign how they do if there is some magic wand to wave to convince people, rather than actually having the ability to attract people based on your principles, integrity, foresight and message.



Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:58 | 1896374 Maxter
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he can win if you guys go vote for him.  Hell he is tie for first in Iowa!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:15 | 1897555 jeff montanye
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indeed.  talk of writing his name in is defeatist.  if not already, register republican and vote for him when he IS ON THE BALLOT!  then do it again.  

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:04 | 1896054 Temporalist
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From that link...

"Paul placed second in the Iowa straw poll, coming in less than 1 percent behind Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN). Though his candidacy is not getting much play on television news, an Associated Press analysis published Sunday called him “a serious player in the campaign,” noting a growth in his base of support from 2008 to 2011."


Tell your friends, tell your family, tell your neighbors, tell a stranger - Vote for Truth!  Vote for Liberty!  Vote for Peace!  Vote Ron Paul!  Elect The Constitution!

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:16 | 1896071 Bob
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I would suggest he make a formal statement of position on the Corporate Person asap.  It's no secret that disaffected "progressives" are a potential goldmine for him.   He'd pull a few with a clear and well-publicized death wish for the Corporate Person.  Actually, he would go red hot

If he would just sign on Nader as a running mate, I'd get busy on this.  Very busy.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:44 | 1896175 JPM Hater001
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Dude, seriously. Move on.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:53 | 1896199 Bob
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(Private club or sumpin?)

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 21:32 | 1897192 Silver Bully
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I'm going to be all offical and stuff and just say: please do not feed the troll. He's can't resist pushing people's buttons. The beautiful, shiny buttons! The jolly, candy-like buttons!

No, he can't.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:39 | 1897392's picture

Let Bob Be Bob. I've seen him ask tough questions and accept reasoned responses from those with whom he had previously disagreed.

Folks like Bob will be among the future wave of Ron Paul voters.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:51 | 1897513 Husk-Erzulie
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I gave Bob a greenie.  I tried to subtract five down arrows, but The Tylers' geeks must have fixed the script so I can't do that any more ;~P

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:20 | 1897568 jeff montanye
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bob and others like him would, imo, profit from realizing that, unlike obama and most politician generally, paul is not going to tell you what you want to hear.  he will tell you what he believes (or close enough for government work).  ralph nader and the destruction of the concept of the public corporation are not his beliefs, as i understand them.  but he is a lot more telling a critic of crony capitalism than anyone else currently running for president.

don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:04 | 1896234 Temporalist
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I have no problem with what you say.  I don't think Nader is necessary but it would bother me a lot less to have those two together than the media darling oligarchs they try to ram down the public's throats.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:03 | 1897405's picture

Did you ever see Judge Napolitano's interview of Ralph Nader? It's a keeper.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:58 | 1896223 A Cruel Accountant
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Yeh I junked ya.

If you knew what you were talking about you would know that the founding fathers detested corporations and the concentration of power and money they could assemble as they have done today.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:05 | 1896058 King Dong
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Bang on the money, Bob. Paul on the Fed and US militarisation we can all agree on however, his vision, if you can call it that, on how he would fashion government to , dare I say it, make the U.S. a better place does not stack up. If you actually read what he has been saying he is advocating that government effectively shut up shop. Any idiot can join the dots from there on in to see where that would lead - a total corporate take over of the U.S. - in essence speeding up what pisses most of the country off in the first place.

I'm calling BS on Ron Paul as a serious candidate even if the flatness of the surrounding political landscape makes him look like a giant


Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:12 | 1896081 Sean7k
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It is government that protects corporations. It is called State Capitalism. To minimize government effectively minimizes the influence of corporations. Check out for books on the subject.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:15 | 1896090 TheAkashicRecord
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Rothbard had much to say about the business-government alliance.

A real-world example of this is the fact that the OCC, which supposedly regulates banks, is funded by the banks instead of having funds appropriated from Congress.  

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:46 | 1896178 whstlblwr
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King Dong, Yes, it's big worry how to deal with exploiters or weak with less government. But we've decided government does not help disadvangtaged or weak, it hurts them.

We watch movie last night, and wrote down quote from wife of Wavy Gravy who start Hog Farm. She say,

"Thing Woodstock did for me that I have carried with me my entire life, it's first time ever understood that when we're in charge we do a good job. And i never really got it until Woodstock that I could be empowered to be in charge. It totally changed my life.... I can just feel it saying, it's with me now."

After Woodstock they start all kinds of charity, they do it to show they can help more than government.

We can be in charge, we don't need government to take care of us. BIG GOVERNMENT takes money from middle class to give to rich, to protect status quo.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:46 | 1896347 King Dong
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Agreed but getting rid of government doesn't solve the problem. Changing government (whatever the fuck that entails) does

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 17:17 | 1896424 Sean7k
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Actually, getting rid of government may, in fact, get rid of the problem. As long as we maintain governments like we have for the last 400 years, we know the result will be what we continue to complain about.

It is time for evolution of the social contract- see anarcho-capitalism, also referred to as voluntaryism.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 18:04 | 1896526 Sean7k
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Nice citation.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:13 | 1896083 Lord Koos
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Woah dude, careful, you're exhibiting independent thought.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:25 | 1896293 trav7777
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yes because when gov't was smaller, corps had more power...oh wait, no, it was the opposite.

They had to worry about other private actors when they couldn't buy regulators and legislators.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:31 | 1896311 Bob
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The meainstream historical narrative on the so-called "Gilded Age" suggests otherwise, Trav. 

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 20:40 | 1897047 StychoKiller
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The "Winners" write History -- check yer premises.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:43 | 1897600 jeff montanye
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ok.  let's look at it this way:  

in what areas are u.s. presidents most powerful?  judicial nominations, foreign policy, administration of justice, national security, treasury policy, bully pulpit (national discourse via presidential speeches, etc.).  

in what areas are u.s. presidents weakest?  appropriation of spending, writing of laws.  

from bob's perspective (i'm guessing) the areas where current practices are most egregiously wrong and paul's policy prescriptions best are almost precisely the first group (wars, bailouts, civil liberties abuses, destruction of the rule of law).  

with the possible exception of judicial appointments (and even here paul says he wants abortion law decisions made at the state level), the more "controversial" paul policies, from bob's pov (i'm also guessing) are those areas where congressional support is required.  

perhaps the democratic party will be reformed in opposition.  it needs it.  it certainly has been hideously corrupt and unfaithful to its supposed working class roots in governing.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 02:00 | 1897706 ItsEvolutionBaby
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wow you're an idiot bob

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:54 | 1896030 Conrad Murray
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Ron Paul shouldn't piss away his time with condescending Zionist fucks like Bob the Bitch.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:52 | 1896358 Jay
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I got to hand it to Bob Schieffer; he's got that condescending, dismissive, MSM attitude polished to a tee. Cop Paul another attitude, Bob. BTW, how are those ratings?

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:57 | 1896036 TheAkashicRecord
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Bob: Dr. Paul, are you telling me that actions have consequences?

Dr. Paul: Yes, you blithering fuckwit. 

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:42 | 1896170 Hearst
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Well put.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 17:44 | 1896487 Husk-Erzulie
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POD (Post O' the Day).

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:57 | 1896038 Global Hunter
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Made my day!!!

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 14:59 | 1896042 Fazzie
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Thats not a pun, its alliteration. Anyway RP is about the only pol Ive ever seen that I actually beleive to be speaking his own views unlike the others who seem to be reciting a script.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:07 | 1896063 navy62802
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I think he speaks the views of many Americans. But you wouldn't know that from the biased coverage. His recent polling performance is pretty good evidence that his message resonates and that simply with more coverage, his numbers will continue to improve.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:33 | 1896143 Lord Koos
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I seriously doubt more than one in ten Americans (if even that many) are down with abolishing public education.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:40 | 1896166 TheAkashicRecord
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Dismantling federal departments is not synonymous with the service not being provided.

Many of these services can be more efficiently handlded by the States, and in fact, that is his underlying philosophy.  

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:44 | 1896176 GeneMarchbanks
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Thereby demonstrating the urgency to abolish public education.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:27 | 1896303 trav7777
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and false dilemmas like that are part of the propaganda that the State and demagogues use to confuse people.

It is EITHER we have this leviathan DOEd or ELSE we have "no public education."  You can't really believe that these are the only two options.  Unfortunately, dimwits CONSTANTLY fall for this.

EITHER we wage global war or ELSE AQ will destroy America and enslave us all.  Right?  There's no possible middle range of options, only this binary fallacy.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:53 | 1896359 GeneMarchbanks
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Binary fallacy is what corporatism is built on. Coke/Pepsi, Home Depot/Lowes, Fedex/UPS, Verizon/AT&T. The building blocks of an Oligopoly.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 18:36 | 1896618 lunaticfringe
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Well struck Trav. These bastards rely on fear to sell us their brand of bullshit. The dimwits fall for it every time.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 20:02 | 1896941 Max Hunter
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The binary fallacy is the boot on our throat... Dem/Rep.... God/Evolution..  Total Control/Anarchy.. and on.. and on...

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:50 | 1897623 jeff montanye
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and how easy would that be for a u.s. president?  not easy at all since public education is primarily a local and state responsibility and even federal appropriations are congressionally initiated.  

how about stopping the wars, the bailouts, the attacks on civil liberties and the rule of law?   that at least falls within the job description.

get something good rather than nothing good.  ron paul '12.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:08 | 1896068 Temporalist
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That's what happens when a politician is not beholden to lobbyists and corporations and banksters and their political party who feeds talking points that have been group tested for public appeal.


Ron Paul will tell the truth no matter if it's palatable or not.  That's what Doctors do...imagine if all doctors just told their patients what they wanted to hear instead of the truth...if doctors were politicians cancer would be cured with lies.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 20:25 | 1896999 Cathartes Aura
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aren't they the folks who prescribe shit tons of corporate pharmaceuticals every year?  including oxycontin & dozens of "anti-depressants" & ADD meds for kids??

seriously, go ahead & worship RPaul, but get a grip on your facts - doctors are NOT gods, they are a major part of the dissonance in amrka, and most profit handsomely from their drug pushing.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 20:45 | 1897062 StychoKiller
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Objection!  Assuming facts NOT in evidence!

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 20:51 | 1897080 Temporalist
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I should have said honest doctors like Dr. Paul.  I don't disagree about the whores for the pharma either but you didn't provide "facts" just opinions.  The doctors I've had in my lifetime have NEVER prescribed things that were unnecessary and were reluctant to prescribe anything.  Rarely have I even taken an anti-biotic.  If they started pushing meds on my I'd go elsewhere.  People have a right to a second, third, forth opinion but they can't switch their representatives so easily.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 03:11 | 1897762 Cathartes Aura
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I didn't provide facts, just opinions??

take a look at the paragraph in your post that I responded to, and tell me who's spouting opinons, not facts.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:53 | 1897520 BigDuke6
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Cath Aura,

A bit medicated were ye?

Ron P was an obstetrician, correct me, a very high pressure job with life always on the line.

So he didn't medicate your kid.

He stretched your neck to pull you out of yer mammy's smelly flower and stiched it back together again.  A bit of gratitude please

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 03:07 | 1897760 Cathartes Aura
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love to forward your post to your "good doctor" - quite sure he'd be very impressed with your vivid description of his work.

and by the way, no kids, no pharma, no meds - just trying to keep the conversation from caving in on itself - so much "hope" that one man can "change" what is a massive systemic fail.

but yeah, keep beating the voting drums dudes.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:03 | 1896053 navy62802
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Who pissed in Bob Schieffer's cheerios this morning? Silly me, I thought that the interviewer was only there to ask questions and allow the interviewee to speak.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:23 | 1896111 Freddie
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The entire news media and TV are like that.  They are the oligarchs and they support them 110%.  Ron Paul and The Constitution are a threat to the elites.  Only morons watch TV because your viewership supports our serfdom.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:41 | 1896329 FMR Bankster
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Schieffer's always been an asshole and it's only gotten worse as he's aged. At least he's shut up lately on his anti smoking riff. I don't smoke and I'm sick of that shit. I can imagine what smokers think of it. He must be a reformed smoker himself, they are always the worst.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:09 | 1896072 Long-John-Silver
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I can envision numerous Politicians jumping from Bridges and Skyscrapers if Ron Paul were made President.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:32 | 1896142 Whalley World
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Sadly, iit would most likely be Mr. Paul that tripped from the top of a high building

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:56 | 1897629 jeff montanye
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agreed.  defenestration has quite the history:

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 18:01 | 1896522 skully1969
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Can't wait to see that!!!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:03 | 1897537 JPM Hater001
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I have $200 for the Paul campaign if I can push a few after he is elected.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:09 | 1896073 Westcoastliberal
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I don't agree with Dr. Paul on his "social safety net" views since I think we need to provide something for people who are down & out through no fault of their own, HOWEVER I'm more & more buying into his other points, such as ending the Fed, shrinking down the Federal gov and letting the states assume those duties, and ending our country's imperialist ways by shrinking the military.  The main thing I appreciate about him is he sticks by his talking points and doesn't seem to waiver, which is rare indeed in a politician.  If he's a choice I'll probably vote for him for what that's worth, since I voted for Obama last time and have been sorely disappointed.

BTW I'm reading Susskind's book and so far it's very revealing.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:29 | 1896307 trav7777
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the safety net is being UTTERLY abused.  It is not a safety net anymore, it is an income stream for miscreants.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 16:45 | 1896344 FMR Bankster
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Correct. What's wrong with the safety net and right about private charity is we can expect some effort towards change with private charity. Once the goverment get's involved it's all about "my benefits".

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 18:50 | 1896667 MrBinkeyWhat
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The "Safety Net" is no longer safe. Let private charity, and smaller groups without the gigantic overhead take over.

The American people are extremely generous, especially when they get the opportunity to help directly.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:07 | 1897542 JPM Hater001
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"I think we need to provide something for people who are down & out through no fault of their own,"

I take exception to the idea that he doesnt want to help.  The founders understood the need as does Paul but both understood the key that nothing is provided without a requirement in the program that they work to help themselves first.

"If you need food let me show you how to farm" kind of stuff.  Give a fish, teach to fish stuff mostly.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:10 | 1896076 km4
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Good to see in LA Times,0,55577...

Ron Paul is polling in the top tier of the Republican field in key states like Iowa, but has largely been out of the national conversation that's focused on fleeting moments for other surging candidates. But on Sunday he was put on the defensive for past statements linking U.S. foreign policy to the attacks of 9/11.

The Texas congressman, appearing on CBS' "Face The Nation," contended that he was just stating indisputable fact.

"I think there's an influence. And that's exactly what, you know, the 9/11 commission said. That's what the DOD has said. And that's also what the CIA has said and that's what a lot of researchers have said," he said.

In response to a question from host Bob Schieffer, Paul took issue with the idea that he was saying the attacks were "America's fault."

"We didn't cause it. The average American didn't cause it. But if you have a flawed policy, it may influence it," he said.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:15 | 1896089 PulauHantu29
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<<The term “blowback,” invented by the CIA, refers to the unintended results of American actions abroad.>>

Sounds to me like:




Sun, 11/20/2011 - 15:18 | 1896098 TheAkashicRecord
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The neoconservative warmongers seem to operate under the assumption that our actions do not have consequences; basic physical laws governing the universe say otherwise.  

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 20:49 | 1897076 StychoKiller
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Huh?  Next, you'll be saying that killing brown/black folks in other countries tends to make their countrymen upset!

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 21:03 | 1897114 TheAkashicRecord
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Of course not, they welcome their liberation with jubilation!

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