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Ron Paul Proposes Elimination Of Education, Energy Departments, Lowering Presidential Salary To $39,336

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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:59 | 1781075 Cone of Uncertainty
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I propose a errant HTML tax in order to reduce the deficit.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:16 | 1781137 MillionDollarBonus_
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I must say that I was absolutely horrified at the vile insults and threats that have come my way for simply expressing a different opinion on presidential candidate Ron Paul. Clearly many libertarians are not used to having their views challenged with cold hard logic and facts. I and others like me will be thanked by future generations for speaking out against libertarian bigotry and for enduring these appalling attacks. After years of free market failures, smart politicians are beginning to understand the need for global price controls and tighter regulatory frameworks so that our economy can be managed by professionals only. The PROGRSSIVE REVOLUTION is spreading, and the people are finally standing up to the GREEDY capitalists, so that compassionate politicians and smart economists will be able to fairly distribute America's wealth.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:18 | 1781149 swissaustrian
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You´re calling for your own serfdom. I´m feeling sorry for you.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:37 | 1781241 OldTrooper
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I would be fine with MillionDollarBonus becoming a serf.  I draw the line when he wants to drag the rest of us along.  No wonder he has been attacked by those mean, bigotted libertarians.  Don't feel sorry for him.  He's proposing OUR serfdom too.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:41 | 1781262 SilverIsKing
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MDB wants to level the playing field for everyone, regardless of how much they produce.

What he is proposing is healthcare for no one.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:49 | 1781295 ratso
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Ron Paul is just another ideoalogue selling dysfunctional illusions.


Corporations are the new feudal princes with more rights and privileges  than individuals!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:51 | 1781306 swissaustrian
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Gladly (or sadly), serfdom hasn´t reached AmeriKan levels over here in Switzerland.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:06 | 1781330 whstlblwr
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Everyone here, MillionDollarBonus guy is just playing on blog. Don't take him seriously, he's waste of reading time and effort.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:01 | 1781686 Surly Bear
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I sure as fuck hope Ron Paul wins.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:03 | 1783179 FEDbuster
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and if he doesn't what are you going to do? 

Part of me says "Hasten the Collapse, Obama 2012" (he most likely wins anyway)  I don't think it really matters anymore, kind of like taking over the wheel of the Titanic after the iceberg was hit.

Everyday the system stays up is a blessing, and allows you one more day to prepare.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:35 | 1781857 RockyRacoon
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Oh, now there ya went and spoiled it.   I was enjoying the hyperventilating comments.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:01 | 1781352 Libertarian777
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Neo: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.


The Matrix is so analagous to life today. Sheeple are asleep.The OWS prostestors are protesting 'inside' the Matrix. They haven't figured out that they are still inside the Matrix.

We are all born into debt / tax bondage, even if you paid no tax, the inflation tax imposed is inescapable.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:48 | 1781434 redpill
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Morpheus: What is the Matrix? Control. The Matrix is an [oligarch]-generated dream world built to keep us under control in order to change a human being into this.
[holds up a Treasury Bond]

Neo: No, I don't believe it. It's not possible.

Morpheus: I didn't say it would be easy, Neo. I just said it would be the truth.


And there you have it, folks :)

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:07 | 1781973 Tsunami Wave
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Just me talking here...... but I love reading the quotes from either the Matrix, Star Wars, or Star Trek people post here on Zero Hedge.. they're all really amazing and relevent

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:33 | 1782085 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Kirk: The thralls have no freedom, Shahna. You don't think or do anything but what the Providers tell you.

Shahna: What else would one do?

Kirk: Love, for one thing.

Shahna: What is ... love?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:50 | 1781298 Mauibrad
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This is some good shit.  Better than any of the other candidates has proposed.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:12 | 1781752 FL_Conservative
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As I've said before on a prior thread, most every conservative has NO issues with Ron Paul as it relates to his economic policy platform.  He totally rocks in that area.  What I disagree with is his philosphy towards the military in that he comes across as suggesting that ANY military strength begets imperialism.  I think, with the right leadership, America can have a strong and ready military without a predisposition towards involvement in conflicts outside our borders. Our "stick" needs to be bigger than anyone else's if we're going to maintain a peaceable state.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:51 | 1781922 FMR Bankster
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I think Ron Paul and his supporters (myself included) would agree. However, most of our military money is spent on a global empire. And with all those overseas bases comes a natural desire to stick our noses in conflicts we don't fully understand that have been going on for decades. Our founding fathers understood that the rest of the world is a mess and came here to create a new type of country and escape that nonsense. We probably were needed in the post WW2 era but the cold war is over. It's been 20 years. If we go looking for enemies we'll certainly find/create them. Hell, half the countries in the world are run by nuts inclined towards mass murder.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:57 | 1781945 FL_Conservative
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You and I are in agreement, in large part, in how we think.  I don't believe that we need to have military bases throughout the world.  Maybe in certain (read limited) strategic areas that support our national security, but nowhere near what we currently employ. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:55 | 1782127 redpill
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Maybe our Defense Department just actually needs to be about Defense, not Offense.  We can't afford to be Lancelot riding in on our white horse anymore, not to mention that the white horse looks like a black stallion to the people getting their skulls crushed via "collatoral damage."


And as for who our military men and women support, it appears to be pretty clear:


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 05:43 | 2105193 minted
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I totally believe that they should apply a clawback feature to congressmen, senators and the president.  I knew that people from the tech and healthcare industry could earn as much as them physician assistant salary

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:06 | 1782669 bxy
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Big military = big government........You are either pro big governement or you are a true conservative.....Not both.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:44 | 1782571 Pike Bishop
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Although not a Libertarian, I'm right with Paul on the military and idiotic imperialism.

But there's a little problem with the "kill the Dept of Energy". It sounds like "get rid of Federal school tampering and the hippies over at the DOE" when he puts the bullseye on the Dept of Ed and Energy.

I'd be interested to see how the Educ thing would work out and am for a try at that.

Now, is everybody aware that <10% of the DOE is the dirtworshipping hippies, and the other 90+% is full maintenance and advancement of our entire nuclear arsenal. It's one of those military hidden costs things, it's $30B/yr that the Pentagon doesn't have to pay for in their budget. But that's not my point.

A really fuckin' scary 40% part of DOE is the NNSA. Nat'l Nuclear Security Administration. Which has its own Intelligence/CounterIntelligence unit.

FWIW, most peple shit their pants when they read the listing for the DOE at Wiki and check out its Organization chart. They didn't have a clue.

My point to all of this is that if Paul would end the DOE on the first Friday afternoon in office, there would be a whole shitload of nuclear missiles laying around, with nobody in charge of them. And if Naval Nuclear Powered shit stopped working correctly in an unusual way, there would be nobody to handle it.

I'm all for nuking the nukes, particularly when you go thru all of the budgets in the Executive branch and find out costs have been hidden all over the place to blow up the world faster and in a larger multiple, times over..

But you are going to have to do something with hardware, before ya kill the DOE.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:54 | 1781927 TheMerryPrankster
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So why has this "ideal" leader never manifested? If someone were capable of being this non-imperialist leader of the largest most expensive military, why have we never even heard his voice, let alone seen his active participation in the political process?

The military is the toy of the military industrial complex which includes the CIA and their bankers and lawyers, who know its just a great con, a way to make fortunes.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:01 | 1781963 Zero Debt
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Our "stick" needs to be bigger than anyone else's if we're going to maintain a peaceable state.

It is not up to a single ruler, king, dictator or teleprompter to determine who or what is a threat.

To me Ron Paul always comes across as saying that war can be justified but a just war requires a declaration of war.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:59 | 1782177 rew2
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The United States spends VASTLY more that it needs merely to defend itself.  We spend huge amounts of money defending other countries and fighting wars we don't need to fight.  Ron Paul gets more money from active military members than all the other Republican presidential candidates combined.  So support the troops by supporting the candidate they support -- Ron Paul.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:04 | 1782660 bxy
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How's that neocon gruel working out for you?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:03 | 1782913 my puppy for prez
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He has said and written extensively that he WANTS a strong defense!  But, as per some above posts, we are living in the matrix of war propaganda that has been shoved down our throat forever!  Don't believe me?  Read Edward Bernays' "Propaganda"...he was the master, and he will tell you how you have been systematically mind-controlled in EVERY aspect of your life....ESPECIALLY foreign policy beliefs!  

Then, you must escape the matrix of the phony and US govt. promulgated "war on terror".  Do you know the history of governments conducting false flag attacks on their own countries to justify war?  Google "Operation Northwoods", or "Gulf of Tonkin".  Continuous and permanent war is crucial for enriching the elites, and creating a global dictatorship.  When one speaks out against a war, he/she is labelled "commies" and is accused of being unpatriotic!  That is mind control, and simply regurgitated propaganda.  

If terrorism was such a big threat to the US, then why did the highest levels of our govt and intelligence agencies ignore voluminous amounts of pre 9/11 warnings from around the world?  Why did they knowingly allow the "hijackers" to come and go inside the US while under surveillance?  Why, if we are in such daily, mortal danger from terrorism, is our border not secured by either Republicans or Democrats?  I could go on, but won't.

Finally, both Washington and Jefferson decried imperialism (they fled it, you know!) and warned against foreign entanglements and permanent alliances.  


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:20 | 1781158 oldmanofthesee
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What professionals do you suggest, to manage our economy? Hank Paulson, Geithner? Or, some secret, undiscovered wizard?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:36 | 1781227 MillionDollarBonus_
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That is a good question. The American people will be offered a fine selection of qualified professionals in the coming elections, many of them with Ivy League degrees and experience in top banking and government institutions. The key is to vote with your MIND AND NOT WITH YOUR HEART. Here are some of the key questions you should be asking before electing a professional politician run the country:

1. Do they have a degree from a top academic institution (preferably an Ivy League college)

2. Are they charismatic and able to inspire and reassure Americans

3. Do they have any experience in politics (this is important as running a country is not an easy job)

4. Are they compassionate enough to consider the poor and disadvantaged members of society

5. Are the strong enough to make tough decisions regarding America's national defence

Voting is a serious business so it is critical the public make informed decisions when picking their candidates.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:38 | 1781246 CrockettAlmanac.com
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A modest proposal?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 14:11 | 1782213 B9K9
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MDB says "strong enough to make tough decisions regarding America's national defence"

I am deeply saddened to learn that one of my favorite posters (I always give him a +1) is not even an American. For shame! Not only do we no longer have a manufacturing base (except that which supplies military hardware), but we now have to import writers clever enough to use satire as well.

Sheeit, we're done, diddly done for.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 13:43 | 1785942 Marla And Me
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Nice to see I'm not the only one who caught that.  Given the scores MDB regularly garners, I would say that people on these pages are getting denser by the day...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:47 | 1781288 rcintc
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I am at a loss for words on how to respond to MDB's complete and utter stupidity.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:58 | 1781331 Max Hunter
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I'm not.. I would say to Megabuck.. or whatever his/her name is.. Isn't that list you have already in place representing our system, that is falling of a cliff??

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:01 | 1781691 spiral_eyes
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MDB must be incredibly angry to be this sarcastic.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:13 | 1781765 Transformer
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MDB is approaching hamy in his sophisticated sarcasm.  This is funny shit.  Step back guys. take a look.  I too, think we need some well trained, well educated professionals, preferably ivy league, to take over and make things right.  Yeah baby!!!!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:59 | 1781337 malikai
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You cannot respond to MDB. He/She has taken the gold in the trollage competition. This is clearly USDA grade A troll meat.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:01 | 1781348 whstlblwr
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It's not stupidity, it boredom. Hey MDB, get off your fucking computer and do something useful.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:14 | 1782007 Tsunami Wave
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Sorry Whistleblower.. I don't think he can. He sounds an awful lot like an arrogant academic who can only tell people what to do and how to do anything based off the logic from his twisted, over educated, utterly retarded mind.  You know, that usual let's celebrate the capacity of human beings and how we 'ivy leave' people think and are better than everyone and how we can get together and come up with baffling useless theories bullshit.


Either that or he is the one of the best sarcastic trolls i've ever seen anywhere on the internet.  He really is just that damn good.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:38 | 1784070 merizobeach
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Best part is, until MDB confirms one way or another--as long as there is some uncertainty in the reading public's minds--then he has attained the remarkable state of Superposition: his character now exists in the quantum condition where he is simultaneously both the most insufferable, pompous windbag and also the most sublte and brilliant of sarcastic humorist.  If it's the latter, as several here remind, he's the internet equivilent of Colbert.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:01 | 1781350 SWCroaker
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Puts it pretty plainly, doesn't he? 


From point #1 he's trying to assure that we draw our leadership from the same pool that aided in producing our current problems (Ivy League Academics).

From point #2 he's trying to assure that we draw our leadership from the same pool that aided in producing our current problems (gloss over substance hollow shirts).

From point #3 he's trying to assure that we draw our leadership from the same pool that aided in producing our current problems (experienced politicians, i.e. the ones who didn't see the problem coming, and have no clue how to deal with it).

From point #4 he's trying to assure that we draw our leadership from the same pool that aided in producing our current problems (compassionate vote getters).

From point #5 he breaks from the mold and asks for the diametric opposite to what he wants in points 1 through 4, (but only risk being unpopular when it comes to defense).



As long as a simple majority continues to evidence ignorance, we are doomed.  MDB is a poster child for the herd-able masses.  Lacking knowledge, he is ripe to pursue and support populist pap, to the detriment of the rest of us.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:53 | 1781315 Fluffybunny
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Haha, that Ivy League comment :D
I knew you were a troll!

No real Progressive would actually speak like that.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:01 | 1781351 Mythic
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The troll is strong with this one.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:17 | 1781456 CH1
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Dudes... Don't feed the troll.

Use your time and energy on productive things.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:33 | 1781550 porrannor
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God Point... Spread the Ron Paul's support without refereing to TROLLs...


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:19 | 1781469 fledermaus
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In MDB troll post-   #5's spelling is classic.  De Fence! It's a large item in the Budget let's all pause to spell check that... 

I say vote for Morpheus or Neo- 

Some people are so plugged in to the system they fight FOR that system.

In all seriousness, clearly the only viable hope is Ron Paul.  Why? because the system and TPTB, REALLY DON'T want him to be, and try EVERYTHING, to marginalize him.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:40 | 1781579 porrannor
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Simple but very powerful logic... TPTB are doing all to marginalize him... it should be enough for surfs (like us) to support him... I also support his policies.....

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:04 | 1781968 trav7777
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So what?

The system was better than Morpheus's cause.  Scurrying around like rats in a cave eating gruel.  Oh, right, he was black, so we can't question his words.

What the fuck reality do you guys imagine is so greener grass outside of this system?

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 09:45 | 1816936 fledermaus
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Sorry for the delay- it's that the slope we are on 'aint getting better.  The system is getting more stratified.  All past knowledge of fractional reserve banking and fiat currencies point to that were in the end game now.  

CHANGING course would be a better choice than the BULL SHIT, pretend, slow motion death, by inflation and societal breakdown.  

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