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Ron Paul Proposes Elimination Of Education, Energy Departments, Lowering Presidential Salary To $39,336

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Today at 3pm on Las Vegas, perpetually ignored by the media on both the left and right presidential candidate Ron Paul will announce details of his $1 trillion proposal in government spending cuts, which will be the start of a process to balance the Federal budget in three . As Politico reports, "the Texas congressman will lay out a budget blueprint for deep and far-reaching cuts to federal spending, including the elimination of five cabinet-level departments and the drawdown of American troops fighting overseas." Amusingly, and if there is anything that will Paul brownie points with an electorate disgusted by those spreading hypocritical class warfare, "there will even be a symbolic readjustment of the president’s own salary to put it in line with the average American salary." Which will simply make it a given that every president going forward will have at least three laid off Hollywood scriptwriters preoccupied as ghost writers and writing presidential "autobiographies." For the royalties. But we digress. "The federal workforce would be reduced by 10 percent, and the president’s pay would be cut to $39,336 — a level that the Paul document notes is “approximately equal to the median personal income of the American worker.” We somehow doubt that even Paul will go as far as proposing a much needed overhaul of campaign finance, which basically forces every politician to wear sponsorship tags of all the Wall Street banks that have "gifted" a given politician and/or president in the past 5 years, but we can surely hope.

More from Politico:

Many of the ideas are familiar from Paul’s staunch libertarianism, as well as tea party favorites like eliminating the departments of education and energy. But Paul goes further: he’ll propose immediately freezing spending by numerous government agencies at 2006 levels, the last time Republicans had complete control of the federal budget, and drastically reducing spending elsewhere. The EPA would see a 30 percent cut, the Food and Drug Administration would see one of 40 percent and foreign aid would be zeroed out immediately. He’d also take an ax to Pentagon funding for wars.


Medicaid, the children’s health insurance program, food stamps, family support programs and the children’s nutrition program would all be block-granted to the states and removed from the mandatory spending column of the federal budget. Some functions of eliminated departments, such as Pell Grants, would be continued elsewhere in the federal bureaucracy.


And in a noticeable nod to seniors during an election year when Social Security’s become an issue within the Republican primary, the campaign says that plan “honors our promise to our seniors and veterans, while allowing young workers to opt out.”

Also, say goodbye to progressive tax:

Paul would also make far-reaching changes to federal tax policy, reducing the top corporate income tax rate to 15 percent, eliminating capital gains and dividends taxes, and allowing for repatriation of overseas capital without tax penalties. All Bush-era tax cuts would be extended.

Lastly, Obama's "revolutionary" healthcare overhaul, will be hauled over.

And like the rest of his GOP rivals, Paul would repeal President Barack Obama’s health care reform law, along with the Dodd-Frank financial regulatory reform law enacted last year. Paul, a longtime Federal Reserve critic, would also push a full audit of the central bank, as well as legislation to “strengthen the dollar and stabilize inflation.”

We look forward to the actual speech and hope to present it live to our readers.


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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:59 | 1781075 Cone of Uncertainty
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I propose a errant HTML tax in order to reduce the deficit.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:16 | 1781137 MillionDollarBonus_
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I must say that I was absolutely horrified at the vile insults and threats that have come my way for simply expressing a different opinion on presidential candidate Ron Paul. Clearly many libertarians are not used to having their views challenged with cold hard logic and facts. I and others like me will be thanked by future generations for speaking out against libertarian bigotry and for enduring these appalling attacks. After years of free market failures, smart politicians are beginning to understand the need for global price controls and tighter regulatory frameworks so that our economy can be managed by professionals only. The PROGRSSIVE REVOLUTION is spreading, and the people are finally standing up to the GREEDY capitalists, so that compassionate politicians and smart economists will be able to fairly distribute America's wealth.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:18 | 1781149 swissaustrian
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You´re calling for your own serfdom. I´m feeling sorry for you.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:37 | 1781241 OldTrooper
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I would be fine with MillionDollarBonus becoming a serf.  I draw the line when he wants to drag the rest of us along.  No wonder he has been attacked by those mean, bigotted libertarians.  Don't feel sorry for him.  He's proposing OUR serfdom too.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:41 | 1781262 SilverIsKing
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MDB wants to level the playing field for everyone, regardless of how much they produce.

What he is proposing is healthcare for no one.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:49 | 1781295 ratso
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Ron Paul is just another ideoalogue selling dysfunctional illusions.


Corporations are the new feudal princes with more rights and privileges  than individuals!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:51 | 1781306 swissaustrian
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Gladly (or sadly), serfdom hasn´t reached AmeriKan levels over here in Switzerland.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:06 | 1781330 whstlblwr
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Everyone here, MillionDollarBonus guy is just playing on blog. Don't take him seriously, he's waste of reading time and effort.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:01 | 1781686 Surly Bear
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I sure as fuck hope Ron Paul wins.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:03 | 1783179 FEDbuster
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and if he doesn't what are you going to do? 

Part of me says "Hasten the Collapse, Obama 2012" (he most likely wins anyway)  I don't think it really matters anymore, kind of like taking over the wheel of the Titanic after the iceberg was hit.

Everyday the system stays up is a blessing, and allows you one more day to prepare.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:35 | 1781857 RockyRacoon
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Oh, now there ya went and spoiled it.   I was enjoying the hyperventilating comments.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:01 | 1781352 Libertarian777
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Neo: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.


The Matrix is so analagous to life today. Sheeple are asleep.The OWS prostestors are protesting 'inside' the Matrix. They haven't figured out that they are still inside the Matrix.

We are all born into debt / tax bondage, even if you paid no tax, the inflation tax imposed is inescapable.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:48 | 1781434 redpill
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Morpheus: What is the Matrix? Control. The Matrix is an [oligarch]-generated dream world built to keep us under control in order to change a human being into this.
[holds up a Treasury Bond]

Neo: No, I don't believe it. It's not possible.

Morpheus: I didn't say it would be easy, Neo. I just said it would be the truth.


And there you have it, folks :)

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:07 | 1781973 Tsunami Wave
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Just me talking here...... but I love reading the quotes from either the Matrix, Star Wars, or Star Trek people post here on Zero Hedge.. they're all really amazing and relevent

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:33 | 1782085's picture




Kirk: The thralls have no freedom, Shahna. You don't think or do anything but what the Providers tell you.

Shahna: What else would one do?

Kirk: Love, for one thing.

Shahna: What is ... love?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:50 | 1781298 Mauibrad
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This is some good shit.  Better than any of the other candidates has proposed.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:12 | 1781752 FL_Conservative
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As I've said before on a prior thread, most every conservative has NO issues with Ron Paul as it relates to his economic policy platform.  He totally rocks in that area.  What I disagree with is his philosphy towards the military in that he comes across as suggesting that ANY military strength begets imperialism.  I think, with the right leadership, America can have a strong and ready military without a predisposition towards involvement in conflicts outside our borders. Our "stick" needs to be bigger than anyone else's if we're going to maintain a peaceable state.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:51 | 1781922 FMR Bankster
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I think Ron Paul and his supporters (myself included) would agree. However, most of our military money is spent on a global empire. And with all those overseas bases comes a natural desire to stick our noses in conflicts we don't fully understand that have been going on for decades. Our founding fathers understood that the rest of the world is a mess and came here to create a new type of country and escape that nonsense. We probably were needed in the post WW2 era but the cold war is over. It's been 20 years. If we go looking for enemies we'll certainly find/create them. Hell, half the countries in the world are run by nuts inclined towards mass murder.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:57 | 1781945 FL_Conservative
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You and I are in agreement, in large part, in how we think.  I don't believe that we need to have military bases throughout the world.  Maybe in certain (read limited) strategic areas that support our national security, but nowhere near what we currently employ. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:55 | 1782127 redpill
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Maybe our Defense Department just actually needs to be about Defense, not Offense.  We can't afford to be Lancelot riding in on our white horse anymore, not to mention that the white horse looks like a black stallion to the people getting their skulls crushed via "collatoral damage."


And as for who our military men and women support, it appears to be pretty clear:

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 05:43 | 2105193 minted
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I totally believe that they should apply a clawback feature to congressmen, senators and the president.  I knew that people from the tech and healthcare industry could earn as much as them physician assistant salary

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:06 | 1782669 bxy
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Big military = big government........You are either pro big governement or you are a true conservative.....Not both.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:44 | 1782571 Pike Bishop
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Although not a Libertarian, I'm right with Paul on the military and idiotic imperialism.

But there's a little problem with the "kill the Dept of Energy". It sounds like "get rid of Federal school tampering and the hippies over at the DOE" when he puts the bullseye on the Dept of Ed and Energy.

I'd be interested to see how the Educ thing would work out and am for a try at that.

Now, is everybody aware that <10% of the DOE is the dirtworshipping hippies, and the other 90+% is full maintenance and advancement of our entire nuclear arsenal. It's one of those military hidden costs things, it's $30B/yr that the Pentagon doesn't have to pay for in their budget. But that's not my point.

A really fuckin' scary 40% part of DOE is the NNSA. Nat'l Nuclear Security Administration. Which has its own Intelligence/CounterIntelligence unit.

FWIW, most peple shit their pants when they read the listing for the DOE at Wiki and check out its Organization chart. They didn't have a clue.

My point to all of this is that if Paul would end the DOE on the first Friday afternoon in office, there would be a whole shitload of nuclear missiles laying around, with nobody in charge of them. And if Naval Nuclear Powered shit stopped working correctly in an unusual way, there would be nobody to handle it.

I'm all for nuking the nukes, particularly when you go thru all of the budgets in the Executive branch and find out costs have been hidden all over the place to blow up the world faster and in a larger multiple, times over..

But you are going to have to do something with hardware, before ya kill the DOE.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:54 | 1781927 TheMerryPrankster
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So why has this "ideal" leader never manifested? If someone were capable of being this non-imperialist leader of the largest most expensive military, why have we never even heard his voice, let alone seen his active participation in the political process?

The military is the toy of the military industrial complex which includes the CIA and their bankers and lawyers, who know its just a great con, a way to make fortunes.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:01 | 1781963 Zero Debt
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Our "stick" needs to be bigger than anyone else's if we're going to maintain a peaceable state.

It is not up to a single ruler, king, dictator or teleprompter to determine who or what is a threat.

To me Ron Paul always comes across as saying that war can be justified but a just war requires a declaration of war.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:59 | 1782177 rew2
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The United States spends VASTLY more that it needs merely to defend itself.  We spend huge amounts of money defending other countries and fighting wars we don't need to fight.  Ron Paul gets more money from active military members than all the other Republican presidential candidates combined.  So support the troops by supporting the candidate they support -- Ron Paul.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:04 | 1782660 bxy
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How's that neocon gruel working out for you?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:03 | 1782913 my puppy for prez
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He has said and written extensively that he WANTS a strong defense!  But, as per some above posts, we are living in the matrix of war propaganda that has been shoved down our throat forever!  Don't believe me?  Read Edward Bernays' "Propaganda"...he was the master, and he will tell you how you have been systematically mind-controlled in EVERY aspect of your life....ESPECIALLY foreign policy beliefs!  

Then, you must escape the matrix of the phony and US govt. promulgated "war on terror".  Do you know the history of governments conducting false flag attacks on their own countries to justify war?  Google "Operation Northwoods", or "Gulf of Tonkin".  Continuous and permanent war is crucial for enriching the elites, and creating a global dictatorship.  When one speaks out against a war, he/she is labelled "commies" and is accused of being unpatriotic!  That is mind control, and simply regurgitated propaganda.  

If terrorism was such a big threat to the US, then why did the highest levels of our govt and intelligence agencies ignore voluminous amounts of pre 9/11 warnings from around the world?  Why did they knowingly allow the "hijackers" to come and go inside the US while under surveillance?  Why, if we are in such daily, mortal danger from terrorism, is our border not secured by either Republicans or Democrats?  I could go on, but won't.

Finally, both Washington and Jefferson decried imperialism (they fled it, you know!) and warned against foreign entanglements and permanent alliances.  


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:20 | 1781158 oldmanofthesee
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What professionals do you suggest, to manage our economy? Hank Paulson, Geithner? Or, some secret, undiscovered wizard?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:36 | 1781227 MillionDollarBonus_
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That is a good question. The American people will be offered a fine selection of qualified professionals in the coming elections, many of them with Ivy League degrees and experience in top banking and government institutions. The key is to vote with your MIND AND NOT WITH YOUR HEART. Here are some of the key questions you should be asking before electing a professional politician run the country:

1. Do they have a degree from a top academic institution (preferably an Ivy League college)

2. Are they charismatic and able to inspire and reassure Americans

3. Do they have any experience in politics (this is important as running a country is not an easy job)

4. Are they compassionate enough to consider the poor and disadvantaged members of society

5. Are the strong enough to make tough decisions regarding America's national defence

Voting is a serious business so it is critical the public make informed decisions when picking their candidates.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:38 | 1781246's picture

A modest proposal?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 14:11 | 1782213 B9K9
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MDB says "strong enough to make tough decisions regarding America's national defence"

I am deeply saddened to learn that one of my favorite posters (I always give him a +1) is not even an American. For shame! Not only do we no longer have a manufacturing base (except that which supplies military hardware), but we now have to import writers clever enough to use satire as well.

Sheeit, we're done, diddly done for.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 13:43 | 1785942 Marla And Me
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Nice to see I'm not the only one who caught that.  Given the scores MDB regularly garners, I would say that people on these pages are getting denser by the day...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:47 | 1781288 rcintc
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I am at a loss for words on how to respond to MDB's complete and utter stupidity.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:58 | 1781331 Max Hunter
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I'm not.. I would say to Megabuck.. or whatever his/her name is.. Isn't that list you have already in place representing our system, that is falling of a cliff??

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:01 | 1781691 spiral_eyes
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MDB must be incredibly angry to be this sarcastic.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:13 | 1781765 Transformer
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MDB is approaching hamy in his sophisticated sarcasm.  This is funny shit.  Step back guys. take a look.  I too, think we need some well trained, well educated professionals, preferably ivy league, to take over and make things right.  Yeah baby!!!!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:59 | 1781337 malikai
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You cannot respond to MDB. He/She has taken the gold in the trollage competition. This is clearly USDA grade A troll meat.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:01 | 1781348 whstlblwr
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It's not stupidity, it boredom. Hey MDB, get off your fucking computer and do something useful.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:14 | 1782007 Tsunami Wave
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Sorry Whistleblower.. I don't think he can. He sounds an awful lot like an arrogant academic who can only tell people what to do and how to do anything based off the logic from his twisted, over educated, utterly retarded mind.  You know, that usual let's celebrate the capacity of human beings and how we 'ivy leave' people think and are better than everyone and how we can get together and come up with baffling useless theories bullshit.


Either that or he is the one of the best sarcastic trolls i've ever seen anywhere on the internet.  He really is just that damn good.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:38 | 1784070 merizobeach
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Best part is, until MDB confirms one way or another--as long as there is some uncertainty in the reading public's minds--then he has attained the remarkable state of Superposition: his character now exists in the quantum condition where he is simultaneously both the most insufferable, pompous windbag and also the most sublte and brilliant of sarcastic humorist.  If it's the latter, as several here remind, he's the internet equivilent of Colbert.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:01 | 1781350 SWCroaker
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Puts it pretty plainly, doesn't he? 


From point #1 he's trying to assure that we draw our leadership from the same pool that aided in producing our current problems (Ivy League Academics).

From point #2 he's trying to assure that we draw our leadership from the same pool that aided in producing our current problems (gloss over substance hollow shirts).

From point #3 he's trying to assure that we draw our leadership from the same pool that aided in producing our current problems (experienced politicians, i.e. the ones who didn't see the problem coming, and have no clue how to deal with it).

From point #4 he's trying to assure that we draw our leadership from the same pool that aided in producing our current problems (compassionate vote getters).

From point #5 he breaks from the mold and asks for the diametric opposite to what he wants in points 1 through 4, (but only risk being unpopular when it comes to defense).



As long as a simple majority continues to evidence ignorance, we are doomed.  MDB is a poster child for the herd-able masses.  Lacking knowledge, he is ripe to pursue and support populist pap, to the detriment of the rest of us.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:53 | 1781315 Fluffybunny
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Haha, that Ivy League comment :D
I knew you were a troll!

No real Progressive would actually speak like that.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:01 | 1781351 Mythic
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The troll is strong with this one.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:17 | 1781456 CH1
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Dudes... Don't feed the troll.

Use your time and energy on productive things.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:33 | 1781550 porrannor
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God Point... Spread the Ron Paul's support without refereing to TROLLs...


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:19 | 1781469 fledermaus
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In MDB troll post-   #5's spelling is classic.  De Fence! It's a large item in the Budget let's all pause to spell check that... 

I say vote for Morpheus or Neo- 

Some people are so plugged in to the system they fight FOR that system.

In all seriousness, clearly the only viable hope is Ron Paul.  Why? because the system and TPTB, REALLY DON'T want him to be, and try EVERYTHING, to marginalize him.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:40 | 1781579 porrannor
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Simple but very powerful logic... TPTB are doing all to marginalize him... it should be enough for surfs (like us) to support him... I also support his policies.....

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:04 | 1781968 trav7777
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So what?

The system was better than Morpheus's cause.  Scurrying around like rats in a cave eating gruel.  Oh, right, he was black, so we can't question his words.

What the fuck reality do you guys imagine is so greener grass outside of this system?

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 09:45 | 1816936 fledermaus
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Sorry for the delay- it's that the slope we are on 'aint getting better.  The system is getting more stratified.  All past knowledge of fractional reserve banking and fiat currencies point to that were in the end game now.  

CHANGING course would be a better choice than the BULL SHIT, pretend, slow motion death, by inflation and societal breakdown.  

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:24 | 1781500 QuietCorday
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I think you have left one vital point off your list.

6. Do they play golf?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:29 | 1781530 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Aw come on everyone, MDB's troll artistry is fantastic and inspiring! BRAVO! Carry on, we do miss Harry and Hamy around here..

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:49 | 1781634 tarsubil
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I cannot believe people still don't get it! You drop a clue like using the word 'offered' in "The American people will be offered..." and people still label you troll or stupid. Your posts are brilliant.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:55 | 1781669 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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Hahahahahahahahahaha...priceless.  So damn funny!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:10 | 1782690 bxy
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Have you been in a coma for the last 10 years?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:05 | 1782924 my puppy for prez
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How about, "Do they understand and actually promise to defend the US Constitution?  

That COULD be kind of important....

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 15:07 | 1944458 Captain Kurtz
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Mr. [MDB], what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this [forum] is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:27 | 1781507 porrannor
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"What professionals do you suggest, to manage our economy? Hank Paulson, Geithner? Or, some secret, undiscovered wizard?"

Uncle Stalin, of course.... who else?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 14:09 | 1782205 rew2
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How about Barney Frank?  He led the effort to prevent the evil Republicans from tightening up Fannie Mae's lending standards before the mortgage crisis hit.  Guess who Countrywide sold most of their rotten mortgages to?  Government created Fannie Mae.  Of course, this doesn't fit the left wing storyline that the mortgage crisis was caused by free markets.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:12 | 1782448 Dr. Acula
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>[Barney Frank] led the effort to prevent the evil Republicans from tightening up Fannie Mae's lending standards

Why is the government involved in the mortgage business?


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:31 | 1781537 Return2Sanity
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I think the Nobel prize-winning economists who destroyed LTCM are looking for a new gig.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:43 | 1781894 Grinder74
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Gandalf for Treasury Secretary!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:36 | 1781233 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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stunning return to form lol

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:40 | 1781257 Chuck Norris
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Let me guess - you're unemployed?  Or are you one of the 47% who don't pay income taxes?


If you actually have a job then how about distributing your income more fairly.  You can start by sending me a check. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:41 | 1781260 Ragnar24
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Check your premise.  It's not possible to have "free market failures" when a free market has NOT existed since at least 1913. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:43 | 1781272 infotechsailor
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and by "free market failures", you mean... 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:46 | 1781286 UGrev
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Don't feed this fucker any Nacho's. Just let it go or you'll smell like fucking fish filet all day. h/t robot chicken.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:57 | 1781326 Spastica Rex
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Most in the Zero Hedge crowd are way too prosaic to get this.

But I'm not!


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:00 | 1781347 malikai
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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:24 | 1781493 PianoRacer
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MDB's irony is always appreciated, but I am shocked that nobody else picks up on it.  It's not like his shtick is new.  Very sad to see the knee-jerk reaction of ZH posters.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:55 | 1781671 Diplodicus Rex
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Not only sad, it's downright embarassing. I had higher hopes for the ZH 'community'. I absolutely love the site and would defend it with my dying breath. It has saved me a personal fortune and sent me down a road of preparation and self-prservation for the forthcoming tsunami. It is inhabited, mostly, by intelligent, non-conformists who don't buy into the MSM bullshit. For that, TD(s), I salute you.


TD writes every day using 'irony' as a literary device to reinforce his(their) view on a particular topic. Why is it that when MDB does it, there is a mindless rush to the conformist exit hitting that down arrow and spewing forth vitriol in ever increasing intensity with the next post feeding off the previous one?


Read MDB's posts very, very carefully. Understand this:

Irony, its a fine art.

Irony From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Irony (from the Ancient Greek ???????? eir?neía, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance)[1] is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or situation in which there is a sharp incongruity or discordance that goes beyond the simple and evident intention of words or actions.

Ironic statements (verbal irony) typically imply a meaning in opposition to their literal meaning. A situation is often said to be ironic (situational irony) if the actions taken have an effect exactly opposite from what was intended. The discordance of verbal irony may be deliberately created as a means of communication (as in art or rhetoric). Descriptions or depictions of situational ironies, whether in fiction or in non-fiction, serve a communicative function of sharpening or highlighting certain discordant features of reality. Verbal and situational irony are often used for emphasis in the assertion of a truth. The ironic form of simile, used in sarcasm, and some forms of litotes emphasize one's meaning by the deliberate use of language which states the opposite of the truth — or drastically and obviously understates a factual connection.

In dramatic irony, the author causes a character to speak or act erroneously, out of ignorance of some portion of the truth of which the audience is aware. In other words, the audience knows the character is making a mistake, even as the character is making it. This technique highlights the importance of a particular truth by portraying a person who is strikingly unaware of it.



If the long words are too difficult for you, here let me explain it in simpler terms:

MDP is taking the piss

MDB is pulling your chain

MDP is extracting the Michael

MDP is taking the mickey


MDP is deliberately saying one thing whilst CLEARLY meaning the exact opposite. He is on your side. It is a literary device, see above.

Stop reacting by pressing that down arrow and pouring out vitriol on MDB. You are embarrassing yourself.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:02 | 1781698 Spastica Rex
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Nice handle!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:04 | 1781367 Monedas
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It's worth a million to have you here, with all your Socialist charm, reminding us of what we're up against ! Monedas 2011 We demand parity....put Monedas on the CNN editorial staff !

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:04 | 1781368 terryg999
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The only "cold hard facts" about 'Progressives' is that they make things progressively worse

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:05 | 1781372 Henry Chinaski
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MDB is an undisputed master oxymoron moron.

libertarian bigotry

free market failures

smart politicians

progressive revolution

compassionate politicians

greedy capitalist

smart economists

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:07 | 1781395 Dire Wolf
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I must say that it is stunning how you manage negate your entire progressive arguement in a single paragraph. Your PROGRESSIVE REVOLUTION has been raging for 100+ years, and it has resulted in both the expansion and reach of the Federal Government through the formation of extra-Constitutional departments, Acts of Congress, and the corruption of both congress and the courts through crony capitalism and judicial activism. The abuse of the Commerce Clause to circumvent the Constitution and the will of the people been the hallmark of modern progressive politics. Oppression, redistribution, over regulation, and yes, even racism all are deeply rooted in modern progressive politics.

Might I suggest that you pick up a copy of Thomas Sowell's book Liberal Facism. When you fully understand what the modern progressive movement is, and what it has done to both the Unite States and the world as a whole, you will be ashmed to call yourself a progressive.


               Dire Wolf 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:45 | 1781902 Moe Howard
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Goldberg wrote Liberal Facism.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:08 | 1782427 Dire Wolf
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I stand corrected.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:16 | 1781449 ctiger2
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"After years of free market failures"


"Free Market" Yea, sure... LOL!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:02 | 1781696 krispkritter
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2011 Season Winner of "Last Troll Standing". Let's give him a hand! (golf clap)

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:06 | 1781976 trav7777
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yeah, there are those of us who can put a spectacular game or two together but this guy is grinding out champagne over a whole career.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:32 | 1782087 fuu
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That one goes on the quick access link list.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:01 | 1781958 goat
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MDB is out-trolling his previous brilliant work with this one.  From now on, nothing but green for you, MDB, from me.




Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:26 | 1782063 Pectoralis
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are you... serious?


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:56 | 1782622 bxy
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complete uniformed suckers like you, who lap up establishment drivel are the problem with our electorate.......and if you continue to spout off about things you know nothing about ....then you deserve the insults your way.....especially if you attempt to play the victim afterwards.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 04:03 | 1784338 StychoKiller
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compassionate politicians and smart economists...


Good luck finding either of these oxymorons -- I think you'll just have to settle for the usual morons instead!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:19 | 1781146 Jay Gould Esq.
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"And like the rest of his GOP rivals, Paul would repeal President Barack Obama’s health care reform law..." 

The "rest" of the "GOP rivals ?" To wit: Do any truly believe a "President Romney" would repeal what is essentially the red-headed federal stepchild of RomneyCare ? Rep. Paul, I have no doubt whatsoever, would walk it as he talked it. All the rest ? Dutiful Establishment cogs in the Republican Machine.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:21 | 1781161 Abiotic Oil
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Ron is breaking new ground in DC.  Imagine proposing cutting spending rather than raising taxes?


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:48 | 1781628 junkyardjack
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What would be breaking new ground is if they applied a clawback feature to congressmen, senators and the president.  If the economy starts to tank anytime within 20 years after you served in office then the government has the right to clawback 70% of your net worth until the economy recovers.  I bet they'd spend more time reading bills then

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 04:09 | 1784340 StychoKiller
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So long as the claws are REAL and very sharp, what's not to like? :>D

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:29 | 1781196 Cone of Uncertainty
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Progressive revolution????

Hahahah, I just shit my pants due to an uncontrollable laughing fit....ahahahahahahahhhhhaaa

Good one buddy, good one.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:07 | 1781721 JLee2027
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3 years....3 department closings and a salary starting with 3.

3-3-3 plan?



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:19 | 1781788 eureka
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And I propose accurate statistics... - I love Ron Paul and must therefore corrrect his, though low, inaccurate number for median US income -

...$39,336 — a level that the Paul document notes is “approximately equal to the median personal income of the American worker"

In fact, US median Household-Income is ca. $45,000 - meaning only $22,500 per adult spouse/partner, in households with two adults.

Indeed, I can only agree with Paul that in such poor a nation as the US, the President should set a good example and share the burden with the vast majority of the people he is supposed to represent.  Perhaps $22,500 would be appropriate presidential pay?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:00 | 1781080 Mercury
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Sign me up.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:01 | 1781082 Fluffybunny
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Sure, Cain can take care of supplying the Pizza while Paul restores America.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:05 | 1781096 Mercury
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No joke - next to software, movies and aerospace, pizza is one of our few remaining killer competencies.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:44 | 1781276 SilverIsKing
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Paul-Christie?  Christie has said no to running for President but has said nothing about being the VP.  Could be a good set up for 2016.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:49 | 1781296 swissaustrian
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Christie endorsed Romney recently, no thanks.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:56 | 1781324 SilverIsKing
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I agree that he totally lost me with that move but the VP decision generally takes place after the primaries, no?  Paul would have to win the nomination first but the choice of Christie might help him against Obama.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:00 | 1781346 Nascent_Variable
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Gingrich would be the safe choice, like Biden was for Obama.  I think Ron Paul would also be extremely tempted to pick his son, Rand, and might actually do so.  Of course, rising stars like Christie, Bobby Jindal, and Paul Ryan would be considered as well.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:46 | 1781282 whstlblwr
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You mean the lying Herman Cain?

Ron Paul: "“Mr. Cain, in the past you have been rather critical of any of us who would want to audit the Fed. You have said — you’ve used pretty strong terms, that we were ignorant and that we didn’t know what we are doing, and therefore, there was no need for an audit anyway, because if you had one, you’re not going to find out anything, because everybody knows everything about the Fed,” he said.
“Do you still stick by this, that that this is frivolous, or do you think it’s very important?” Paul asked. “Sixty-four percent of the American people want a full audit of the Fed on a regular basis.”

Lying Herman Cain: "You have misquoted me. I did not call you or any of your people ignorant. I don't know where that came from," he said. "You've gotta be careful of the stuff you get off the Internet. I’ve been misrepresented in that regard. I don’t have a problem with the Federal Reserve being audited.”

Herman Cain in 2010
"Some people say that we ought to audit the Fed. Here's what I do know. The Federal Reserve already has so many internal audits it's ridiculous. I don't know why people think we're gonna learn this great amount of information by auditing the Federal Reserve. I think a lot of people are calling for this audit of the Federal Reserve because they don't know enough about it. There's no hidden secrets going on in the Federal Reserve to my knowledge," he said.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:48 | 1781625 porrannor
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Why do you think, TPTB are selling him to the surfs? Because he is Obama replicant.. that's why...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:11 | 1782001 trav7777
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he's this gives ALL the people who didn't vote for Obama the chance to prove to the invisible audience that they, too are not rayciss.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:26 | 1782060 porrannor
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And black voters to show that they are as raysist as the rest of us, or more so...


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 14:02 | 1782182 JP McManus
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"your people"  Whadda ya mean, "your people" ?!?!?!?!

"There's no hidden secrets going on in the Federal Reserve to my knowledge," he said.  How would he know about hidden secrets if they are A) hidden or B) secret, without an audit?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:01 | 1781086 tarsubil
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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:06 | 1781093 Conrad Murray
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Cain? Herman Cain? Herman, ex-Chairman of the KC Federal Reserve, "No hidden secrets in the Federal Reserve"(so no need to audit it), Cain?

Music for those with enough brain to know Herman Cain and his 666 plan are bullshit -

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:17 | 1781141 kito
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but..but...that 999 slogan is soooo catchy. shirley he must have great potential for the presidency.......

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:22 | 1781168 oldmanofthesee
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It's not so catchy, ........and don't call me shirley!



Had to do it, right?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:23 | 1781172 Careless Whisper
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well, one of those 9's represents a national sales tax. that's not gonna play to well when people realize he wants to add another tax because everyone knows that a tax that starts at 9% only goes higher, real quick.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:32 | 1781210 kito
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tis true. give those politicians another means to bleed the people, and they will do it. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:46 | 1781253 Falcon15
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It is still a TAX SYSTEM run by the illegal and unconstitutional IRS.

The ONLY solution is to end the Fed, repeal the 16th amendment, and institute a flat Federal sales tax of 10%. That way, even illegals, drug dealers, anyone who spends anything, including foreign buyers of American goods, pays taxes. Spend 200 bucks? $20.00 paid in tax. Spend just 10% of a median income of 40K for a year? 400.00 tax paid IN FULL - you still have 35,600 in your POCKET, no muss no fuss, and it clears capital up for companies to expand, because they no longer need experts handling their taxes! No exemptions, no loopholes. Even an ostensibly "not for profit" organization pays its tax obligation. Sellers would handle paying the tax to the Fed. Sell a 300K home? Pay 30K tax, done - net money made? 270,000.00. Obligation met.


Not to mention the BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS saved and possibly recovered from the IRS coffers, no IRS salaries or Fed interest to pay...I could go on and on.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:56 | 1781666 porrannor
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Just to countinue your thought, Accounting and Tax Law maintainence frees... It's got to count for hundreds of billions a year...




Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:51 | 1782115 mirac
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VAT taxes in Europe average near 20% + income tax.  Canada, 14% + income tax and everyone is STILL going into debt.  What Ron Paul is introducing would not be enough.  Cutting out government is the key to all of this and in Americas case cutting Military Spending in Half is a step in the right direction.  To get out of this massive mess, a corporate tax of just 15% is far too low and ditto for the rich.  Most people don't give a shit about the level of the stock market.  That game is mostly for Wall Street.  Savers have been raped with managed bond spreads, taxes on all levels of government and idiotic strategies out of the Federal Reserve.  They have never fufilled their mandate for a strong dollar and a stable economy.  Quite the opposite.  Simplifying tax structures at the right levels, with elimination of needless government agencies and confusing tax laws would surely help some, but in the end it is still a FIAT money system that will collapse, because they always have and no one is going to do the right thing, like getting rid of Homeland Security etc.  I still suspect Ron Paul is a shill.  Part of the Good Cop/Bad Cop face of Evil.  What's his big panel on Finances done yet?  He says he wants to end the Fed. I'll believe it when I see it!  Obama promised you change and he sure failed to deliver!  Vote Libertarian!  Republicans and Democrats are both going to screw you-they always have.  That's how you got into this mess in the first place.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:52 | 1782146's picture

Business passes on expenses to customers. That includes the expense of taxation. Why bother taxing business when you could just cut to the chase and tax the little people directly?

I'm already paying half of every dollar I earn to one government agency or another. I don't want to have to pay more for food and other goods on top of that.

Every dollar taxed away by government is a dollar which is not buying useful goods and services and keeping people employed in the real economy.

Why should I worry that government doesn't have enough cash to adequately entrall the populace and ensconse their friends? Screw that.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:06 | 1781380 Nascent_Variable
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He got the 999 tax plan from a SimCity game that came out a decade ago.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:10 | 1781114 Falcon15
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Mmmmm, no. Cain is a former Federal Reserve Bank Douche, I mean board member, and a liar...while Ron Paul did misquote the exact words used by Herman Cain, the tone and the implications of Herman Cain's words are clear:

From Bloomberg Republican debate and a clarification of exactly what Cain said on the Neal Boortz show:



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:11 | 1781119 LawsofPhysics
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Cain worked for the Fed, NO WAY he and Paul would tie their wagons together.  Cain is the Fed's candidate.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:03 | 1781704 JLee2027
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True. All those GOP "polls" being touted where Cain, the ex-banker is ahead. I have to ask who are they polling, other bankers?  

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:15 | 1781134 fuu
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Uhh Cain thinks Greenspan was a genius.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:25 | 1781155 kaa1016
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The country is run by the various groups of people who run congress, the president is a figurehead. Remember, the president has a term limit of 8 years and if congress isn't on board with any of his ideas, he's shit out of luck. Congress writes the laws and they can serve for life, as long as they keep winning or buying elections. As long as Paul isn't on the payroll of some special interests or sells his soul, he has no chance. That's very obvious so far.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:08 | 1781730 porrannor
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he, alone, does not. But, by voting, we can also change congress. Tea Party already changed the republicans. Maybe the changes are not far reaching, but these are changes never the less. We have to vote in congress that supports Ron Paul's policies and demend that the Constitution is the law of the land. Not some Judicial System based on 'Precedence' but Law based on Constitution.. 



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:23 | 1781170 Abiotic Oil
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"Nein, Nein, Nein!"

Cain = cartel.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:27 | 1781191 hivekiller
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No thanks. Maybe Paul-Gravel

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:39 | 1781254 Abiotic Oil
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Ron = Pres.

Judge Napalitano = VP


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:30 | 1781532 PianoRacer
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Who SHOULD Paul pick as VP?  I like the idea of someone from the other side of the ideological divide - Paul could point to the fact that when America was first founded, whoever got the second most number of votes was VP, which usually set up a contentious relationship between P and VP.  Since the VP is really just a figurehead, some interesting (but possibly terrible) ideas might be Elizabeth Warren or Chris Hedges, who both at least have a knack for rhetoric and seem to be as "sincere" as Paul.  But I really have no idea who he would/should pick - there aren't many other figures in politics that I would even want to vote for.  Where does he look?  What is most likely?  I really have a hard time imagining what he might be looking for in a running mate!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:52 | 1781653 Steroid
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That would be just an incentive to kill RP.

His previous one would be just fine!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:53 | 1782148 redpill
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Paul/Stossel 2012


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 14:23 | 1782242 rew2
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Judge Napolitano should be reserved for the next Supreme Court appointment.  We need an antidote to Sotomayer/Kagan.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:52 | 1782442 i-dog
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How about we get some Anglo-Saxon Protestants back into the judicial system!?!

When the country was founded, mainly by Protestants fleeing Roman Catholic persecution in Europe (England, Ireland, Scotland, France, Holland and Germany), the population was 97% WASP. Now it is 100% under the control of the anti-WASP J&J mobster gang (that also controls Congress and Wall Street) through these 9 current Supreme Court Justices:

Clarence Thomas ...... Jesuit
John Roberts ...... RC
Anthony Kennedy ...... RC
Sonya Sotomayor ...... RC
Antonin Scalia ...... SMOM
Samuel Alito ...... SMOM
Stephen Breyer ...... Jew
Ruth Bader Ginsberg ...... Jew
Elena Kagan ...... Jew

Not one of those Supreme Court Justices "interpreting" the Constitution represents the 97% that created, and fought for, the US Constitution and its Bill of Rights.

A similar situation exists in Congress, the White House Administration, and the TBTFs.

1. Jesuits = The Pope's Marines = sworn allegiance to the interests of the Papacy that supercedes any other oaths of office or state.
2. RC = Roman Catholic = possible Jesuit, but no evidence of such.
3. SMOM = Knight of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta = Sworn allegiance to the Pope that supercedes any other oaths of allegiance to office or state.
4. Jew = possible Sabbatean (Luciferian Zionist...identical to, and supported by, the Jesuits).

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:41 | 1781261's picture

I’m Herman Cain and Here’s My Plan
Sung to the tune of “I’m Henry the Eighth I Am” by Herman’s Hermits.

I’m Herman Cain and here’s my plan,
Nine Ninety Nine’s my plan, oh yeah.
I’ve been working at the pizza store,
But I was working for the Fed before.
And all the banks love the Treasury,
The TARP was necessary not a scam (no scam!).
Let everyone fund the Treasury,
With Herman’s triple nine tax plan.

Second verse, when that makes things worse:

I’m Herman Cain and here’s my plan,
Nine Ninety Nine’s my plan, oh yeah.
I’ve been working at the pizza store,
But I was working for the Fed before.
And all the banks love the Treasury,
The TARP was necessary not a scam (no scam!).
Let everyone fund the Treasury,
With Herman’s triple nine tax plan.

Nine, nine, nine, nine, nine!
Herman Cain, Herman Cain,
I’m Herman Cain and that’s my plan!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:15 | 1781444 CH1
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Well done Crockett!!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:22 | 1781486's picture

Thanks CH1. Problem is that now I can't get that tune out of my head.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:13 | 1782968 goat
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Now who the hell could give that a red mark?  Im generally not a fan of the song parodies around here, but that one is funny AND catchy.

Good show crockett

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:03 | 1783567's picture

Thanks goat.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:59 | 1781335 CHARLIE.DONT.SERF

Paul - Kucinich

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 14:24 | 1782246 rew2
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Kucinich and Paul are poles apart on domestic policy.  Make Kucinich Secretary of State.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:06 | 1781384 Libertarian777
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gary johnson is the only one i'd want from the current crop, to run alongside Ron Paul. There are a lot of things Gary Johnson is off track, but he's the closest to a libertarian after Ron Paul.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:25 | 1781497's picture

Johnson sounds pretty good but I say get the Judge on the ticket or a seat on the Supreme Court. Or both.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:24 | 1781502 Monedas
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Cain-Paul ? Cain has been damn consistent on the most important issue: Lower taxes drastically, flatly and permanently....then get out of the way ! Monedas 2011 Cain is perhaps my favourite Negro of all time !

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:12 | 1782964 my puppy for prez
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Cain would have RP assassinated so he could take charge and give some lovin' to the bankstas!

You are kidding, right?  I don't think they could be in the same room for 5 seconds...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:02 | 1781088 user2011
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The dough is not the salary.  It is the campaign fundraising and book deals afterward.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:04 | 1781090 GeneMarchbanks
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In its simplicity it is pure... GENIUS!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:06 | 1781098 kaiserhoff
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This is even better than it looks.  Unless they have changed it recently, top level administrative salaries can be no higher than the President's.  Go, Dog, Go.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:23 | 1781174 IAmNotMark
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Now that would make this a serious change!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:47 | 1782129 RockyRacoon
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That seems to exclude Fannie and Freddie, of course.  But those are not governmental agencies -- right.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:06 | 1781099 eigenvalue
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Eliminating them totally is not a good idea. At least, DOE still provides some good research reports and weekly stockpile data. I think we can downsize them.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:13 | 1781129 Fluffybunny
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Once the full plan comes out, he'll probably include that certain functions have been moved to other departments.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:07 | 1781392's picture

I read just that in an news article a few days ago.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:17 | 1781143 Falcon15
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Yeah, and the indoctrination programs run by the DOE, which includes mandatory curriculum items for any school that takes even a penny of Federal money, will do absolutely no harm to our children...

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