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Ron Paul Proposes Elimination Of Education, Energy Departments, Lowering Presidential Salary To $39,336
Today at 3pm on Las Vegas, perpetually ignored by the media on both the left and right presidential candidate Ron Paul will announce details of his $1 trillion proposal in government spending cuts, which will be the start of a process to balance the Federal budget in three . As Politico reports, "the Texas congressman will lay out a budget blueprint for deep and far-reaching cuts to federal spending, including the elimination of five cabinet-level departments and the drawdown of American troops fighting overseas." Amusingly, and if there is anything that will Paul brownie points with an electorate disgusted by those spreading hypocritical class warfare, "there will even be a symbolic readjustment of the president’s own salary to put it in line with the average American salary." Which will simply make it a given that every president going forward will have at least three laid off Hollywood scriptwriters preoccupied as ghost writers and writing presidential "autobiographies." For the royalties. But we digress. "The federal workforce would be reduced by 10 percent, and the president’s pay would be cut to $39,336 — a level that the Paul document notes is “approximately equal to the median personal income of the American worker.” We somehow doubt that even Paul will go as far as proposing a much needed overhaul of campaign finance, which basically forces every politician to wear sponsorship tags of all the Wall Street banks that have "gifted" a given politician and/or president in the past 5 years, but we can surely hope.
More from Politico:
Many of the ideas are familiar from Paul’s staunch libertarianism, as well as tea party favorites like eliminating the departments of education and energy. But Paul goes further: he’ll propose immediately freezing spending by numerous government agencies at 2006 levels, the last time Republicans had complete control of the federal budget, and drastically reducing spending elsewhere. The EPA would see a 30 percent cut, the Food and Drug Administration would see one of 40 percent and foreign aid would be zeroed out immediately. He’d also take an ax to Pentagon funding for wars.
Medicaid, the children’s health insurance program, food stamps, family support programs and the children’s nutrition program would all be block-granted to the states and removed from the mandatory spending column of the federal budget. Some functions of eliminated departments, such as Pell Grants, would be continued elsewhere in the federal bureaucracy.
And in a noticeable nod to seniors during an election year when Social Security’s become an issue within the Republican primary, the campaign says that plan “honors our promise to our seniors and veterans, while allowing young workers to opt out.”
Also, say goodbye to progressive tax:
Paul would also make far-reaching changes to federal tax policy, reducing the top corporate income tax rate to 15 percent, eliminating capital gains and dividends taxes, and allowing for repatriation of overseas capital without tax penalties. All Bush-era tax cuts would be extended.
Lastly, Obama's "revolutionary" healthcare overhaul, will be hauled over.
And like the rest of his GOP rivals, Paul would repeal President Barack Obama’s health care reform law, along with the Dodd-Frank financial regulatory reform law enacted last year. Paul, a longtime Federal Reserve critic, would also push a full audit of the central bank, as well as legislation to “strengthen the dollar and stabilize inflation.”
We look forward to the actual speech and hope to present it live to our readers.
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He'll never win.
His ideas are good, but way too crazy for mainstream.
The Don Quixote of the 2012 election.
Voter Reform: When only those with real jobs in the private sector vote, libertarians will be the majority.
Free at last, Lord God Almighty (Thor, and Bachus too) Free at last.
given your prediction track record ron paul might win if you say he won't, although admittedly you usually will predict the exact opposite of what you previously predicted.
You and Million Dollar Bonus should get together for Tea...you can tea bag each other.
Electability is a substandard way of decided support. If he is right, and he is, then stand up and support. If his ideas are wrong, which they are not, then support someone elses ideas.
But please stop telling me he is unelectable.
"His ideas are good, but way too crazy for mainstream"
No, these ideas are not crazy at all. We either implement them or we will have a totalitarian system soon engough...
Do the Presidents even need a salary? They become multi millionaires when they leave office anyway from all of their speaking engagements.
Gee, I don't know. I mean, a President gets free rent for 4 years, free all you can eat - whatever you want whenever you want - food, don't pay a penny for power, water, sewer, garbage collection, cable/satellite, free travel anywhere in the world, free hotels and food when traveling, free health care for life, a federal pension for life, free bodyguard services for life - including family members, do not pay a dime in taxes (except arguably on personal income), and literally hundreds of thousands in expense accounts, annually. All on the taxpayer's dime. A guy has to make a living, don't ya know?
They become multi-millionaires in office from facilitating the flow of drugs into the country. The Bushes did it, so did Clinton, and so is Obama. The other office involved in bringing drugs into the country is the Secretary of State. All coordinated by the CIA which has a long history of controlling the flow of drugs into the US http://lewrockwell.com/burris/burris19.1.html
Tru dat!
As a moderate who can swing either way, I have to say I like Ron Paul and would vote for him over Obama. Wouldn't even consider their other candidates, yet they continue to throw Herman Cain at me hoping it will come true. Nope, Americans are not as dumb as we act.
This is the whole point.. Amaricans are dumb... And I dear to say you underestimate out stupidity... Last Saturday, 50,000 people attended the LSU football game and 20 people attended the Baton Rouge, LA OWS protest... If this is not utter stupidity what is? We cannot afford to give Ron Paul a few $ for his campaign but we certainly can afford the game tickets, grills, buzz and more... So, here it is...
Americans can't handle true freedom. If they could RP would already be president.
I'll wait and see what he actually says...
(not that campaign promises bore any resemblance to actual outcomes with Barry, Dubya, Slick Willy, Daddy, Ronnie, Jimmy, etc)
plus his son is a pro israel turd so his parenting skills are highly suspect.
As opposed to you, who is apparently an anti-israel turd. I gues your parent's parenting skills are highly suspect.
I'm pro-Palestinian and I'm voting for Ron Paul. Cut all foreign aid. The Palestinians have said over and over again that they don't want handouts, just the opportunity to travel and trade without having to obtain permission from Israel first.
I'm pro Isreali and I'm voting for Ron Paul. Cut all foriegn aid. Stop funding Isreal's enemeies. They've said over and over again that they don't want handouts, just the opportunity to live in peace and defend themselves. They just want to travel and trade without having to obtain permission from Washington first.
Even if this is true, it is better than Herman Cain. The fact that the GOP wants us to vote for HC means there's every reason not to. The fact that they ignore Ron Paul and are afraid of him, means there is every reason to vote for him.
Cain ran a whole chain gang of Pizza Huts (?).....Obammy couldn't run one ! Obammy could maybe unload the delivery truck and clean the restrooms if he had a good, retarded mentor to show him how ! Monedas 2011 I don't normally recommend Negroes....so when I say Cain has possibilities....take heed ! Oh, by the way, Cain is a legal American and his candidacy conforms to requisites set down in Our Constitution !
...and a shill for the Federal Reserve...I'll vote for a steaming pile of shit before I vote for Cain.
"would also push a full audit of the central bank"
Bennie claims that the Fed is regularly audited. The Chinese claim that the Fed is fudging their numbers.
How do short term rates stay near zero as the Fed switches from short term to long term in its operation Twist?
So when was the last time the Fed was really audited? Will we ever know? After all, we are a transparent democracy.
Partial audit already performed, and wheee doggie, it was an eye opener...
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-6206...
We need a FULL audit of the Fed. Who knows WHAT would turn up?
Every auditor would coincedentally and simultaneously die of a "heart attack" the night before the full audit.
To balance the budget in 3 ...what......?
Eons...?
I was hoping it was weeks, but eons does seem more realistic.
<3 you Ron.
They don't need the money, all usa presidents now receive a $10M+ bribe once out of office.
You need to keep DOE around long enough to repeal all of their stupid regulations - then abolish them.
I propose he eliminate DHS and TSA.
I suggest Ron-Ron:
Ron Paul and Ron Jeremy
Or Ron Johnson
Black this out moneybomb on october 19th. Pledge now: http://www.blackthisout.com/?dp
I'm in for a Franklin fiat note...
"will Paul brownie points...?
Does no one proof read this shit...?
No spell check,no common sense
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Time to wake up before posting articles.
Dr. Paul has the right idea on how to save the Republic, quite simply, dismantle the empire. Sadly, American democracy has devolved to the point where people only vote for their own short-term benefit and largese, with no consideration for the big picture.
The founding fathers would have loved Ron Paul, especially Thomas Jefferson. Right guy, right plan, wrong time in the evolutionary cycle of democracy. Too bad.
Then perhaps, it is time to weed the garden of freedom, and water the Tree of Liberty. Who knows where this will end? I pray for the best and prepare for the worst.
Hopefully we will not lose too many patriots in the process of refreshing the tree of liberty.
RON PAUL!
I'd vote for the sonofabitch who would approach gubmint the way an oncologist approaches an inoperable tumor: shrink it. Is there a doctor in the house? Oh, there is. Calling Dr. Paul.
Gubmint is like both cancer - if left unchecked it will grow like a cancer til it kills the host, and cancer treatment - you need it, but only the absolute barest minimum on account of all the nasty side effects.
Current POTUS is an insidious, cancer-causing agent.
A plan that I am starting to like!! I love the smell of small governement in the morning.
You think "The federal workforce would be reduced by 10 percent" is small government!?!
Do you also think reducing China's population by 10% would make it a "small" country?
Heck, I'm voting for Eisenhower.
"I like Ike" bishes..
Sounds like a great plan to me. Unfortunately there is a lot of ammunition in there for both parties to beat him up with. I'll say one thing for sure, the man has a set of balls.
All of the Occupy folks that thought maybe they had a Presidential candidate in Ron Paul just fainted when they read that Ron Paul wants to cut a Trillion $ out of the budget. Guess they'll have to vote for Obama LOL.
A lot of the Occupy folks don't have an inkling of a clue about economics.
"A lot of the Occupy folks don't have an inkling of a clue about economics."
Just like the masses, members of congress, and the POTUS. Why bother with pesky economics when a new X factor is on this week.
Somehow ZH seems to miss the Main Stories of the day…the stuff MSM is made of...the Stuff Sheeples crave:
There’s the inspiring stories of how a few people lost weight…
And how about lady gaga channeling Marilyn?…
Of course, the daily “health tip” drinking more coffee and eating lots more Dark Chocolate will enable you to live longer…Who would have thought?
I hope no one missed the Mountain Biker attacked by an antelope!…”it was scary…” the upset biker claimed…."No one saw this coming..."
And there’s baby Lisa’s Mom who admitted this morning,” I was drunk when she vanished.”…
How in the world ZH misses this gut wrenching MSM stuff is beyond me.
Instead ZH fills our gray matter with facts….financial data….Fed info…world crisis….significant events that will change our lives forever….wake up the Sheeples (maybe?)….hats off to them….but I’m going to watch Balloon Boy reruns and Dancing with the Idols who were thrown off the Island and now dating the Real Housewives of LA.
[BTW, I heard a rumor….Balloon Boy has the hots for the Kardashians).
So basically make the USA a country fit for even more selfish, mean SOBs. We have a word for it in English...Draconian. If not now, that's how it would end up once the ultra rich kept even more of their lucre for several years in a row.
With this, he looks like a corporate puppet supreme, to these outsider's eyes.
Poor FunkyOldGeezer. Witness the tragedy and heartache of Alzheimers.
The meanest people in the world are big government socialists. Can you name a single entrepreneur who has robbed and killed more people than Hitler, Stalin or LBJ? Free markets don't build gas chambers or heavy bombers.
I think Funky is missing a big point: Paul simply wants to return as much governance to the states and shrink the bloated federal monster!
Return the power as close to the people as possible....what is NOT to understand about that?
Ron Paul is too good for the office of President which has disintegrated into a puppet show with zero credibility or integrity. He's slumming.
Ron Paul belongs at the head of the slowly building revolution as in OWS where he would be unrestrained by special interests or party politics to turn the tide toward actual change.
Politics is a losing game for anyone with independent ideas or a will to actually serve the people.
I would hate to see his vision dimmed by election to an office that is corrupt and "handled". You cannot criticize or change a system that you have become a part of. The forces around you will either corrupt you or kill you (as in "have you killed"). He can only effect change from the outside as an independent voice. A rallying call.
Ron Paul for End The Fed. Period. Forget the elephant and donkey show. Just go right for the jugular of this hideous beast. Take out the Fed.
Disobey.
If we made it so the first lady can only travel with the President that would cut, like, a billion dollars out of the WH budget.
Fellow Ron Paulites, please forward this on to all your Obama supporting friends and family Why Obama Supporters Should Vote for Ron Paul in the Primaries It is the only way for Obama to have a chance, and it puts us in the final round where Dr. Paul will take him out behind the shed.... but right now, we need all the votes we can get.....
Communists only vote in Democratic primaries...
Street level communists merely need to be convinced that sharing is a wonderful thing but sharing by compulsion is no basis for a system of government.
All Bush-era tax cuts would be extended.
Do you all here realy agree with this?
I don't agree with it because I know that if our government just had more revenue they could solve all of our problems. I mean, it's not like they are going to spend it on wars or bailouts or anything. They've proven to be good stewards of our tax dollars so why not give them more of our money.... right?
Yes. Any tax cut is a good tax cut.
All income taxes are illegal.
Income taxes impact the poor the most, especially when coupled with double digit inflation.
I like RP rip him ,slice him, he stays consistant and true to the founding father's vision of a society of self reliant men..and a fear of concentrated goverment overseeing all.. I am Not foolish enough to think the American voters will ever understand his message..but I hope enough will to bring some of his message to the front .
Energy + education, what about military spending?
It´s also part of the plan:
the president’s pay would be cut to $39,336 — a level that the Paul document notes is “approximately equal to the median personal income of the American worker.”
That's a good start. Then set the pensions for KongressKlowns at $1,071 -- the average Social Security benefit.
Not enough for a slacker politician to live on? Let them eat COLAs!!
Ron Paul doesn´t participate in the congressional pension plan.
I'd rather see zero corp income tax. And, CapGains, Div, and Interest all treated same as earned income.
Campaign finance must be addressed. Corporations are not people.
I will be voting for R.P., none the less.
Princeton can use a man like Ron Paul
Ron Paul is clueless when it comes to statesmanship. That's the one BIG worry, IMO.
For all his good intentions, if he were elected to President he simply doesn't have the finesse required to effectively do the job, unless his first action would be to lock down the USA and tell the rest of the world to F*$k off! He'd be very dangerous for the whole world as he looks like a dictator in the making.
Cutting spending AND raising taxes is the only way the USA can get out of the mess. Social inequality and helping the corporate raping and pillaging even more by lowering Corporation Tax certainly won't.
Are you really wanting a second revolution and civil war all in one?
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All tax revenue is money that has been diverted from productive use in the real economy.
Put down the crack pipe Faber.
"Cutting spending AND raising taxes is the only way the USA can get out of the mess. Social inequality and helping the corporate raping and pillaging even more by lowering Corporation Tax certainly won't."
This is not about Taxing and Spending, this is about Constitution. The rest is just a derevative. You f..k with the Constitution you destroy everything else. Cutting spending and raising taxes is not going to fix anything in a long run. Unless you understand this simple fact you understand nothing...... and as such you are just a surf...
Yeah, raise taxes and give it to the wonderfil fiduciaries of the United States government - the largest, most corrupt, and inefficient corporation in the world............
The meanest people in the world are big government socialists. Can you name a single entrepreneur who has robbed and killed more people than Hitler, Stalin or LBJ? Free markets don't build gas chambers or heavy bombers.
How you lump LBJ with Stalin or Hitler is beyond me, but by mentioning the H word you've lost the argument already, te he.
Corporates kill masses of people by NOT paying decent wages, expecting their pound of flesh time and time again, via 'work commitment requirements' etc etc, so that the workforce are completely and utterly in their pocket. Look at anywhere in the Third World to get an idea of where corporates would have everyone, if they could.
I guess that the two million Vietnamese killed during the US war against that nation are irrelevant in your opinion. Sad.
Still waiting for you to name a single entrepreneur in the entire history of planet Earth who has killed more people than leaders of governments.
Just look at any corporates in the Third World countries who pay a pittance to their workforce. Closer to home, look at the corporates that insist their business model only allows for the vast majority of their jobs to be minimum wage. That's death by any other name. A SLOW agonising death for the poor sods trapped by it.
In the UK, minimum wage/near minimum wage jobs have mushroomed over the past 15 or so years. Why? Government introduced (a) minimum wage (b) tax credits for the low paid, so corporates saw that as a green light to substantially lower wages, so that now, wheras a job might have paid say £9.00 per hour or more, they now get away with paying £6.08, all with the Government's backing. £6.08 over a 38 hour week works out at £231.04, less than 50% the average wage.
So you still can't name one entrepreneur who is responsible for more death and destruction than those in government. Vague accusations are no substitute for a properly documented argument. If you're right you should be able to name at least one name.
Regarding minimum wage -- Everyone knows that an employer can't afford to pay workers more than those workers bring into the business. Minimum wage laws make it illegal for those who can't produce at minimum wage levels to get a job. Why do you believe that young people with no experience, those with few skills or retirees looking for some pocket money should be denied work which they would voluntarily perform if the government did not prevent it?
You may be old, Geezer, but you sure as hell ain't funky.
I think what scares people most is his lack of identity to one party. If he gets through the primary his national popularity will skyrocket because there are things for both sides to believe in.
Get us out of war and back to freedom.
So, which America interest did I miss there. Please pipe up and tell me?
This plan is much less aggressive than his past proposals, such as ending the FRB, legalizing competing currencies, and abolishing the income tax.
He's finally become a real politician--willing to compromise his values to become electable; he's "in it to win it".
Hm.
Ron Paul Rocks!
He is the only candidate who really understands that we have to rethink the role of the federal government in modern society, and return it to the bounds of the Constitution. That was the way our system was designed to work, and that is the only way that it WILL work. Otherwise, you just end up with another European style socialist democracy. Didn't we fight a war of independence to escape the European elitist style of government? Dr. Paul understands this, and his voting record establishes his credibility as a politician who will actually try his best to do what he says he will do.
Which Greenspan? Greenspan Circa 1967 or the evil doppleganger we see currently?
http://www.constitution.org/mon/greenspan_gold.htm
Paulites certainly get their panties in a twist and are in a modicum of denial about certain things.
They really can't see the parallels between Paul's evangelical following, most other dictators who have ever ruled a country and how they came to power. Astonishing!
May I call him the nearest thing the USA has had to date, to a fascist leader in the making too, whilst I'm about it?
From Wikipedia: A fascist state's government is led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the fascist movement, the government, and other institutions of the state.[7] Discipline and obedience to the leader is demanded by the fascist movement to followers and subjects of a fascist state and is promoted through encouraging comradeship and commitment of followers and subjects.[8] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the fascist state.[9]
Just look at the junkings of the opposition's views here, to see why I'm perplexed. Do your worst.
Funky, you are so full of shit your eyes are brown! Ron Paul is a constitutionalist, antithetical to fascism.
I do not wear panties ! A panty liner....occasionally ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Scrotum Breezer
Wow. You are so deluded I am not sure you even know what the words you are using mean.
"May I call him the nearest thing the USA has had to date, to a fascist leader in the making too, whilst I'm about it?"
Where do you people come from? Is there a shill factory somewhere I can invest in?
Eliminate all public education for unabashed, crimminal fraud and child abuse ! Put the best teachers and professors on the Internet; where at least parents can choose Libertarian, Free Market instruction for their children ! The State doesn't provide religious education and it shouldn't provide secular education....which has become Socialist spiritual dogma ! Yes, they have established a Socialist State Religion in defiance of Our Constitution ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Education Renaissance, Now ! What to do with all the bricks and mortar and ivy vines ? Shove them up Obama's ass !
You can like Paul's ideas or dislike them, but either way you've got to respect the man for sticking to his ideas, and for not being afraid to think out of the box.
However, he would make a hopeless president. Not (necessarily) because of his ideas, but because he would never get a single one of them through Congress. They're all too radical to pass. He would be the lamest lame duck president ever.
You are misinformed and fearful of a specter foisted upon you by mainstream propaganda thought molding.
Any president of the U.S.A can:
Stop War
Make Treaties
Repeal executive orders
Veto bills (decrease spending)
Nominate Supreme Court Judges, ambassadors, CIA Chief, Attorney General, etc.
Select the cabinet of the 15 executive departments including Depts. of Homeland Security, Agriculture, Defense, Treasury, Labor, State, Justice, Interior, Energy, Education, Commerce.
Make trade agreements.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/our-government/executive-branch
Ron Paul for president, Ralph Nader for VP.
Remember several years back.....Ralph Nader returned to the talk circuit, after considerable absence, and it was obvious someone had seriously rearranged his face ! As a stoic Liberal he wore his new mask as a badge of courage....but I never got the low down on who jumped him ! Was it a Gay squabble ? Can anyone enlighten us ? Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Plastic Surgery Gone Real Bad Symposium
Great - you'll either have a President who's already richer than God and who can afford not to be paid (I wonder whose interests he'll care about?) or some schmuck for whom that $39 thousand represents an INCREASE in pay......
A Department of Energy that actually planned for long term energy self sufficency instead of being an oil company puppet would be worthwhile, but what are teh odds of that ever happening?
As for the Department of Education..... another lobbyist playground - instead of being a tool for improving out nation's educational system.
On the other hand, Paul is the ONLY one talking of cutting back our military and spy system (don't say 'Intelligence Agencies' - they've rarely been intelligent - or tight about anything - cpould save a FORTUNE there)- which means his Presidency would be a very short one if somehow he did manage to get elected..
Ron Paul is the only candidate who understands the problem. All this mass consolidation and centralization has ushered forth a GREATER disparity in wealth as opposed to a more balanced society. For decades, we have special interests who have errected their own government protected monopolies throughout the economy and the public sector. Pull the plug and lets' get back to the human race. Competition, innovation, knowledge. That's what makes civilizations great.
Ron Paul would be better putting the pieces of America back together after the crash. Which is why I say the crash will be happening between now and Nov 12.
So RP proposes huge benefit cuts for the poor and huge tax cuts for the rich and mega corporations.
So offset spending with equal tax cuts - so the DEBT stays the same or continues to grow - this is simply more Beggar(bugger) Thy Neighbor and Robin Hood for the rich predator policies.
I'm glad RP is OLD and notrunning any more - anyone who worships Ayn Rand has a screw loose and is basically anti-christian.
Ayn Rand -lover of a serial killer and acceptor of government entitlement programs all the while decrying said programs.
Hey sounds just like the Tea Baggers - keep your gubmint hands off my medicare -
If RP was elected it would Guarantee Revolution - and RP fans are a MINORITY - brag all you want about all the guns and bullets you all own but we would WIPE UP THE FLOOR with you corporate predator loving anti working man sociopaths.
Flame on bitchez!
Your people are hopelessly dependent on the state and you think that you're on the way towards a glorious revolution? I don't think that many of you understand that you've been bred by the state to be helpless and subservient. I'm not scared of dysfunctional and disorganized students who wouldn't know the useful end of a shovel. You guys are the ones who call 911 when lost in a freaking corn maze. By all means start the war against us. Please, I'm begging you.
Ron Paul doesn't worship Ayn Rand. He worships the Prince of Peace. Ayn Rand was an atheist.
Which big government establishment blog did you copy and paste that from?
Funky, you are so full of shit your eyes are brown! Ron Paul is a constitutionalist, antithetical to fascism.
But... the strict adherance to all things constitutional might be used as a valid argument to hide all manner of nasty things. Just look at the gun lobby and the crap they put forward. The world laughs at those arguments, but in the USA the constitution says... so it must be right. Why the USA clings so obstenately onto the Constitution is beyond me. Unless the Founding Fathers were absolutely, totally, 24 carat, A1 geniuses who posessed crystal balls, how could they have written anything but a flawed manuscript, within the relevance of it in today's society? Really. Doubtless there are parts of it that still largely hold true today, but to have it on a pedestal where it is held in such reverance, is probably flawed thinking, IMO.
All despots tend to look like good guys until they actually get into power. They all tend to be radical reformists too. Many of them gained power through political vacumns being in place. Would you say there's a possibility of a type of political vacumn forming in the USA before the elections, especially if there are, as people suggest, no other candidates really worth the effort of voting for?
Weasel words are all you have.
"strict adherance to all things constitutional might be used as a valid argument to hide all manner of nasty things"
No support for that little weasel statement.
"Doubtless there are parts of it that still largely hold true today, but to have it on a pedestal where it is held in such reverance, is probably flawed thinking, IMO."
Nothing actually said to support this little gem either.
"All despots tend to look like good guys until they actually get into power. They all tend to be radical reformists too."
"Many of them gained power through political vacumns being in place."
Can you perhaps name some specific individuals through time or are you just vomiting forth what you hear?
"Just look at the gun lobby and the crap they put forward. The world laughs at those arguments, but in the USA the constitution says... so it must be right."
Could you give an example?
Well stated Funky. There definitely is a political vacuum developing that "could" be filled by an eventual despot, but Ron Paul would not be that guy. I see where you are coming from though.
I only wish the USA clung to the Constitution. The reality is that the Constitution is violated by the federal government 24 hours a day. I'd rather defend myself with a gun than a knife, so God bless the Second Amendment.
Whether you agree with Ron Paul's positions and philosophy or not, it's hard not to like the guy. He's a true believer, and people respect that.
The Inquisition were true believers too. That is not why they respect him it's becasue his message is about liberty and it rings true when one understands it.
I am starting to ignore Ron Paul more than the national media.
Question?
Why does Ron Paul call himself a Republican?
Answer: Smoke screen to stop a legitimate third party candidate from running against the Team Red/Team Blue Republicrats.
Both parties want their piece of Ron Paul under their wings to stop a strong third party from emerging. Because they know they are bankrupt, and can only toss coporate money at the electoral college sheeple. It's about as silly as attacking gold and silver with paper products. But it keeps working for them. Amazing.
If these Occupy wall street people were serious they would start a third party.
Nope. They have not yet, and here is why I think they will have trouble.
The Team red/blue Republicrats are all about division. That is why you have this obsurd electoral college system, and why both parties need to divide third party politics between them. Anything that sounds different today is quite conveniently tucked under the Repulicrat Umbrella. No third party talk please.
Just that third party rebel they tuck away in the side podium, who today is conveniently a Republican or Democrat! What a politcal sham!
If Only Ralph Nader joined the Democrats. But that was when no one took a third party seriously, and a true man of ideas like Ralph Nader would never call himself a Republican or Democrat. Not any more America. Third parties are dangerous and need to be tucked inside both parties where they can be controlled and snuffed out.
You ain't goin nowhere America without a third party and a direct vote.
Even Ron Paul knows this deep in his Republicrat heart. That is why he is a scam too.
You do realize he already ran for President once in the Libertarian Party, right?
He's a Republican because he knows in a party duopoly the only way you can break their hold on power is to use one of them to get your agenda in front of the people.
Do you know who is running for President under the Libertarian Party banner in 2012? Neither does anyone else. Have you ever heard of R. Lee Wrights, Carl Person, or Roger Gary? Neither has anyone else.
Now you know why Ron Paul runs as a Republican.
It Won't work. Ever
Running under the umbrella of either a Republican or Democrat today as a third party man/women is euthanasia. Ron Paul is DOA and he knows it.
This is what I see going forward. Third party politics is the little cry baby in the corner of both parties (which are really no different in their end game), and who go absolutely no where. They are snuffed out by Mother Republicrat and the electoral college.
Both parties know enough people are pissed off that now a third party is a real threat. So they keep them under their wings.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. Very smart. Very un-democratic.
Which third party would be a real threat? You're talking in circles. Even the sparse coverage Ron Paul has gotten in the Republican Primary race, it's leagues above anything he would have gotten as an independent, Libertarian, or other third party member. The primary barrier to entry to this process is that if you don't run in one of the two major parties, no one will ever hear your message.
Your lack of a clue is embarrassing.
I dont care if Mickey Mouse is running against Obama, I will vote for Mickey Mouse.
Mickey Mouse is a fascist!
And racist! And sponsored by Soros/Koch Brothers!
Yeah, but Minnie is f@cking Goofy.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/30-day-plan.html
Ron Paul's plan sounds like Lew Rockwell's 30 day plan.
Selling off all federal lands to pay off bonds would be sweet too. But the left can't seem to make the connection that those federal land tracks are all located next to extremely rich people's estates. As if they use the state to prevent from having neighbors....
I will vote for Ron Paul. He just won a convert. While I don't agree with all his cuts, its least he is being honest that we are broke.
Ron Paul received the LEAST amount of donations from Wall St.! (Mittens receiving the most $7.5 mil, Obama at $3.9)
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/10/mitt-romney-wall-street-money.html
Ron Paul has the 4th highest donations, mainly from indivuduals, and he's not considered Top Teir by the main stream media.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/10/barack-obama-winning-presidentia...
Ron Paul receives the most donations from The Military (more than all R candidates combined and more than Obama).
"Overall, 71 percent of military donations for the 2012 presidential race have gone to Ron Paul"
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9044-ron-paul-campaign-rec...
More reasons to vote for Ron Paul. No one else running is even close to his practicality and integrity. Can't wait to see how the media tries to belittle these policies.
The plan has finally been released: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/10/17/ron-paul-announces-ambitious-%E2%80%98plan-to-restore-america%E2%80%99/
Plan: http://c3244172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RestoreAmericaPlan.pdf
god how i love me some ron paul....go ron go!!!!!!
wft people? why are so many STILL looking at somebody, anybody from DC to save the republic, our economy and our way of life. they can't, they won't even try, they aren't trying now.
I like RP and his record shows he is true to his ideals no doubt, but even as president what difference can he make now? he is a politician, he is a part of the system that is systemically corrupt, broken and irreparable in it's current incarnation. so long as he exists and operates within this system he can't make a difference, he can't help us. we the people have to help ourselves
I respect RP and his ideals, I believe he "gets it" and I believe he is as genuine as a politician can possibly be and if he broke away from Washington and called for a true revolution I would answer that call, I would support him. sadly as long as he is part of the DC machine, which is on a rampage, destroying every aspect of every American life in every way possible then there is not much he can do. effecting any real hope or change is no longer possible from within the system, it is to corrupt, to powerful and has grown far beyond it's original point and purpose, it has grown decedent off our complacency and terminally ill on it's own excesses and debt.
eventually, as history has shown us, it will collapse of it's own systemic failures we are seeing the beginnings of that now. the problem is, of course that it won't go quietly, it will not simply surrender, admit failure and return to the people what it took over decades of bad policy, greed driven, individuality and freedom crushing bureaucracy and ever increasing control freak police state mentality. those in power who have become irreversibly addicted to living within this system will lie, cheat, start wars, eliminate or silence opposition and do whatever it takes to preserve their normalcy bias, their world view, their power and control, even if it is all just an illusion. this will lead to some very dark, hard times ahead for the rest of us because their battle for survival will come at our expense.
It's not who sits in the oval office that is important to the survival of the Republic, not anymore.
It's us.
I agree with most of what you said....but since I still have one vote, I might as well use it!
If RP doesn't get the nomination, everybody MUST WRITE HIM IN!!!
Just found out today that ROMNEY consulted with Malthusian Obama freak czar JOHN HOLDREN!!!
So see? Romney = Obama......that's why you write Paul in!
Ron Paul, the Austrian MONETARY dogmatic dumbshit. He's as clueless with an economy as a Keynesian.
Here's the hint, ALL monetarists are dumbasses.
Including Ron Paul.
That doesn't mean a Keynesian is any better. That doesn't mean Ron Paul doesn't have some good ideas.
But he is ALSO a fucktard in his own way.
People need to wake up. Austrian and Keynesian are BOTH dead ends. Figuratively and Literally.
End monetarism (of all stripes)...it is inherently ANTI-AMERICAN. Ron Paul (along with everyone else running or in office) seemed to miss that point from our founding fathers.
Say no to monetarism...to austrian bullshit, to keynesian bullshit. Say no to all MONETARY sophistry. Because all monetarism is, is sophistry.
Glass-Steagall
If you think public education is too expensive, try ignorance for a generation or two.
It is too expensive and we already have 2 generations of ignorance.
Ron Paul's Plan to Restore America is up on the official campaign website.
PM values will plummet if his plan gets enacted. Just sayin.
Not so sure about this one HC...
Would not PM's also probably become legal tender?
Dr. Paul would certainly advocate for competing currencies. If competing currencies came to fruition, who would want utterly WORTHLESS FIAT when one can have CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED SOUND CURRENCY?
I would imagine a massive flight out of paper and into PM's...
PM's becoming much more valuable as demand skyrockets...
Or as Jim Sinclair likes to say, "People's hair WILL LIGHT ON FIRE!".
Just sayin'...
Crockett: There's one obvious reason to tax corporations and not just go directly to the little guy. Ownership. By taxing corporations, government in effect establishes the premise that it is they, 'the elected representatives of the people', who effectively own the corporations and not the other way around. Give unto Caesar etc etc. In effect it enforces the democratic will of the people over the will of the corporates and other would be usurpers.
To not tax corporations, or under tax them is a very dangerous precedent to set, unless a country adopts a zero income tax strategy. That's why Paul is wrong and a corporate puppet in my eyes. He would effectively be telling corporates to come rape and pillage the USA for whatever they could get out of it, wouldn't he?
It maywell create some jobs, but at what overall cost to the democracy and 'liberty' of the USA?
Why should the government, which produces nothing, have ownership of the resources of productive people? Might as well bring out the whips and chains and call me Toby.
what ever happened to Obama' spledge that no staff would earn more than 100k / year
As a far far left progressive, I will vote for Ron Paul if given the chance.
AT LEAST, he will disrupt the status quo and create many knock on effects that will further elucidate areas of corruption and he might even wake up some more sleeping americans.
It might have to get worse before it gets better.
I commend you for a highly lucid view. Even if one is of the mind that government should do many things and help in many ways, it's clear that today it is not working effectively. We need a reset button that strips away many of the mistakes of the last half century and gives us a rational way forward where sound policy discussions can once again occur, for both domestic and foreign affairs.
This is the common ground Americans across the political spectrum need to share, and use to force real change in our government, which is rapidly becoming an oligarchy.
Would you ever consider that liberty is progressive, and massive government oppression is not? Just askin'....
SP500 daily chart now gives bearish signal, warning of a new leg down. Weekly chart reverts to neutral.
http://stockmarket618.wordpress.com
man, i hope so
I was hoping Dr. Paul would release a 0-0-0 plan.
Dr. Ron Paul for President and the Honorable Andrew Napolitano for VP. This is a ticket that will CRUSH Obama and Biden.
I say GO FOR IT!
My idea of a DREAM TICKET!
Here is the full plan: http://c3244172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RestoreAmericaPlan.pdf
This deserves it's own new sticky post on ZH!
RP's policies would simply enrich the wealthy and further the divide between the haves and the bottom 99%.
Don't kid yourselves...............
During the American revolution we called these people Tories. Learn your history...........
Thank God RP is UNELECTABLE as he's just another corporatist - and someone explain to me HOW his tax cuts for Capital Gains and Corporate Taxes would lead to economic prosperity for a majority of Americans.
Over the last 30 years the richest have tripled their wealth and income and the bottom 99% have seen their wealth and incomes stagnate and fall.
So our Current Economic system gives ALL the gains to growth to 1 Very small segment - the very definition of CORRUPT.
How can lowering taxes for corporations and Capital Gains help this?
It CAN'T and won't - it'll make the problem Worse.
Meaning RP would simply be doing the bidding of the largest predator corporations -
No thanks.
Retire already - go back to Texas and take that dumbass flunky of a kid you have with you! You know rand the rascist.
The "corporatist" that wants to abolish all corporate subsidies?
Idiot.
The very same one who wants to lower their taxes even more - and lower the taxes of the corporate ceo's who already scam the system by taking their wages as a LongnTerm CapitalmGain.
As usual You RP idiots cannot Show me how his policies don't simply siphon even more of this nations wealth even more towards the top.
Meaning RP is simply doing the bidding of HIs corporate masters and then fooling all you idiots w the 3 card monte trick - the same RP who has been a REPUBLICAN for decades!
But maybe you are stating that you have no problem with the vast income disparity faced by this country today.
Bite me you corporatist. Cause simply saying 'he takes away corporate subsidies' and then claiming that equals RP being an anti-coporatist refuses to admit that RP simply takes with one hand and then gives out the cashola with the other via corporate tax giveaways.
Hell his tax giveaways MORE than equal his cuts - so in Fact - the debt goes up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yge311sFhC8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
RP in 2012 or RIP in 2013
Ron Paul Plan To Restore America Press Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-2Zs0-N1dA
"Paul would also make far-reaching changes to federal tax policy, reducing the top corporate income tax rate to 15 percent, eliminating capital gains and dividends taxes, and allowing for repatriation of overseas capital without tax penalties. All Bush-era tax cuts would be extended."
i'm a ron paul supporter however i cannot get behind his latest tax proposal. i hate high taxes as much as the next guy but we can ill afford more tax cuts when there's over 70 trillion dollars of future financial obligations outstanding; as a conservative I want to stress the importance of getting our fiscal house in order, settle all public debts and bad private debts; unless these debts are settled, tax cuts isn't an option, it should not be up for debate. furthermore it matters very little whether tax is high or low, those who are determined to avoid it will have their shell companies moving assets to tax havens and whatnot, tax cut is the wrong idea at the wrong time.
fiscal conservatives understand that fiat money is actually debt. those who have the most fiat money have incurred the most fiat debt; and we need to settle these debts before we start thinking about tax cuts. punish those who incurred the debt do not punish the youth, give the youth a fighting chance darn it
He is giving the youth a chance; both in terms of balancing the budget and allowing them to opt out of the joke that is social security.
The reality is that it's all a moot point without healthy economic activity. Keep the nightmare tax code where it is and you face a downward spiral of declining tax recepts as well as the debt burden. America needs to get back to producing things, not just FIRE services, and in order to do that we need a good business climate, competitive business tax rates, and capital.
I would prefer to see something like that FairTax instead anyway, but the reality is that Paul's plan is the only one that even comes close to addressing the monumental issues before us.
thank you for your input redpill; we face a downward spiral because banksters executed a leveraged buyout of our economy, they overleveraged the future of our youth, it's enslavement, it's generational warfare and cannot be tolerated! obama extended the bush taxcuts but that didn't help our economy none, let's learn from that. to extrapolate taxcuts at this point in time is the equivalent of another ponzi, it's kicking all the debt down the road and hoping they'll eventually go away, it will not work ponzi schemes are never sustainable in the long run. everything else you said i agree with.
All you people who say we need to drop the corporate tax rate and that would lead to lower prices missed econ 101 - the corp's will charge WhT the Market will bear......
Don't believe me notice the lower crude prices do not lead to lower prices at the pump.
The corps will simply pocket the extra cash.
Repatriation of income hidden offshore with No Penalties - talk about moral hazard - Codified Theft legalized by Ron Paul for his corporate masters -
SNL Marriot GOP Debates.
Ron Paul Kills! (Sorry, like all the debates, you got to wait for the Ron Paul bit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrFOfKJQZMM&feature=related
Amazing! Seems very close to an endorsement from SNL