Rosenberg Debunks The Stupidity Of The Masses

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Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:47 | 1899446 rambler6421
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Bank run bitchez!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:57 | 1899488 jdelano
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OT--somebody please explain to me why John Corzine is not doing a perp walk.  How can he possibly be that Teflon?  Was the Bernank telling him to buy the damn bonds?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:58 | 1899498 Long-John-Silver
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being a close friend of the President has it's advantages.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:03 | 1899504 jdelano
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but shouldn't obama be crucifying the guy for precisely that reason? politically he needs distance and credibility....  Bush went after enron with a vengence....

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:04 | 1899526 LawsofPhysics
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, maybe liberals really are pussies.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:21 | 1899618 He_Who Carried ...
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Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal will leave the Eurozone by 2013 but will remain in the European Union. As I said before: Merkel will have her way.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 17:20 | 1900087 Thomas
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Wall Street is a crime syndicate and everybody knows that it is hard to bring down one of the bosses. I think he ought to get whacked. These guys are worse than serial killers.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 04:56 | 1901739 French Frog
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Hmmmm ... interesting but these 2 ZH articles can't be both correct (not ZH's fault though):

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 16:51 | 1899966 Bartanist
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Lol ... Bush went after Enron then buried all of the evidence that would have tied him and Cheney to the fraud in the building 7 demolition. More than a few truckloads of gold disappeared that day.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 17:08 | 1900014 tumblemore
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Media. Bush was forced to go after Enron because most of the media would have used it against him otherwise. Obama only has to worry about Fox doing that and i don't think Fox is interested in Wall St. crimes.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 18:13 | 1900355 Chuck Walla
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Media. Bush was forced to go after Enron 


You mean the Enron that exploded under Clinton's watchful eye?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 18:10 | 1900334 Chuck Walla
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but shouldn't obama be crucifying the guy for precisely that reason?


Um, can you say "Campaign Conributions"?  Can you say, "Don't believe the hype cuz all the real money comes from the 1%"?  Can you say, "Who plays golf with Obama - you or the Corzines of the world"?


Your answer is in there somewhere.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 20:05 | 1900759 philipat
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Welcome to America, the land which continues to lecture the rest of the world about corruption etc.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:27 | 1899644 hannah
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 OWNING  a  President has it's advantages.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 18:12 | 1900342 Chuck Walla
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OWNING  a  President has it's advantages.

+ 52 trillion...

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:54 | 1899786 FlimFlam
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I see only two ways of viewing the MF fiasco: either Corzine bet the ECB would print, or he knew or bet it wouldn't. The latter is not unreasonable given Corzine's deep inside status.  Assuming the latter, does the missing money not correspond to a money grab in the same vein of prior financial-system money grabbing?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 17:27 | 1900109 IcarusOnFire
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Why is Corzine not doing the perp walk?

Simple.  He was the Wall Street campaign contribution coordinator for our illustrious President in 2008.  He collected a record amount of money for the king.  That makes him invincible.  Our corrupted Attorney General would never dream of going after him, after all they need those contributions to keep rolling  in 2012.



He only stole 1.2 billion.  Chump change.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:07 | 1899532 Zero Govt
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Give that street artist an award ...masterful brush strokes

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:48 | 1899449 Ahmeexnal
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sheeple are sheeple

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:57 | 1899493 Don Birnam
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" 'Self-aggrandizing marketing toy ?!' Goodness ! I'm not the one drinking Cherry Coke on-air ! You want to talk self-aggrandizing, Mister Durden, see Uncle Warren -- I just say 'How warm ?' when Uncle Warren says, 'Draw me a bath !' "



Mon, 11/21/2011 - 16:28 | 1899885 Catflappo
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I hear on CNBC that Buffett noted that "Europe had flaws".    Boy, does he know The Beatles have split up too ?    I think anybody long anything there is hoping it has a floor, not a flaw.  

I have no doubt at all that Buffett has lost the plot and the last few years of his 'work' will put an indelible stain on his performance.   Perhaps he was never anything more than a huge 'buy the dipper' without any realisation that incredibly loose monetary conditions underwrote the whole thing whole along ? 

And if that's the case, we learn that even 40-50 years in the market is not neccessarily long enough to 'know it all'.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:30 | 1899660 jdelano
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so why should it be, you and I should pay for all their perfidy...

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:51 | 1899457 GeneMarchbanks
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The Squid hates #5. Blankfein working on it as we type...

For those that missed the best read of the day:


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:58 | 1899496 Vergeltung
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the title is worse than the article's conclusions, but, I hear you.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:14 | 1899548 wisefool
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Stop it. I can no longer afford CNBC, so I have ben watching bloomberg for free over the interwebs. If they are going to publish crap like this I'll have to stop watching that too.

Keynes was a product of a brutal world war that killed millions but made some people very rich. Wiemar caused the same war whose foundations were reparations for the "first" bloody world war. Is it possible that we can NOT use economic theories from 50 year dead Econ PhDs wiho when living suffered PTSD? The article states Keynes was right about the reparations, and Uncle sugar fixed the problem with the marshal plan. Now it is Antie Merkels turn, since Mao decided to stay home. If merkle is going to play uncle sugar with out a police state government, she is going to need 70,000+ page tax code, and get the PIIGS to accept it. Some dirt farmer in North Dakota is currently paying income tax so that some euro gets US bailout money and does not pay a cent of tax on their second villa with a swimming pool.

The birth rate in the west is way, way down, so using the "war limits population" as a faustian bargain makes about as much sense as Krugman wanting interstellar aliens to wage war on us.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 18:19 | 1900393 Chuck Walla
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Why not use economic theory from 50 year dead professors?  Obama and most of the left and some of the right cleve close to ideas over 150 years old and only accept updates from Lenin and inspiration from fascism.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:09 | 1899555 CClarity
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Blankfein (and all the Bank CEOs like Moynihan, Dimon, etc) sure have been out of the public eye for months.  Again making MSM look pathetically weak. Truly appaling. 

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 19:04 | 1900563 EFNuttin
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Firstly, I am a big fan of Germany and the Germans.  That said, the Germans are really good at some things and really lousy at others, like all human people.  As an expert on 20th Century military history in particular, here are some observations relevant to the current environment in which Germany is "calling the shots":  1)  Germans excel at counter-attacks.  If German bonds got into trouble, woe to the speculators that tried to profit.  2)  Germans are masters of tactics.  The success of using combined arms at the "schwerpunkt" was overwhelming time and again right through the Battle of the Bulge.  3)  On the huge negative side, they were lousy at diplomacy.  In WWI, they realistically could have kept Britain out of it simply by modifying the Schlieffen Plan to wheel only through a fraction of eastern Belgium and all of Luxemburg.  Considering the Central Powers conquered Russia and neutralized Italy, France would have been in terrible shape without Britain, particularly the Royal Navy's blockade that throttled much of the German economy.  There were other awful diplomatic moves by the Kaiser's government, but hauling Britain in mostly against its will was paramount.  As for diplomacy in WWII, Germany was under no obligation to declare war on the USA in support of Imperial Japan while already fighting Britain and the USSR.  The success of the U-boat campaign in Spring 1942 along the Eastern Seaboard hardly offset the insanity of letting FDR have the final excuse he wanted to come in on London's side.  4)  Also on the negative side, the Germans made many lousy strategic moves in both wars.  Abandoning the Kriegsmarine at Wilhelmhaven after Jutland in WWI and delaying the invasion of the USSR in WWII by six weeks leap to mind.  5)  Finally, the Germans were outfoxed completely in information warfare in both wars.  The Royal Navy's Room Room 40 in WWI at Jutland and the insanity of using the Enigma machine, a commercially available device prior to WWII throughout that war proved fatal for millions of German sailors, soldiers, and airmen.  

If people are now worried about a German financial conquest of Europe with speculators nipping at their heels at every turn, they should relax.  Their fiscal prudence at home does not make them experts in fiscal prudence for all of the EU.   I read this article in which American bankers kept packaging up credit default swap turds all the while giggling that "some dumb German bankers in Bonn will snatch these right up".  The article used a theme that Germans like to be personally clean, but also to dabble in filth from an arms length away.  Those CDS's with high yields were filth that was fatally attractive to the German bankers.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:52 | 1899465 M.B. Drapier
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Germany has not acquiesced and agreed to having poor sovereign credits ride off its AAA rating via a "Eurobond".

It's desperately trying to set one up now, isn't it? The only real obstacle may be that it's left things a little late.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:54 | 1899470 Vergeltung
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this post is correct; despite the Wiemar debacle being over 80 years ago, the scars ran deep. much can be said of the argument that it led to the rise of Hitler, and all that followed.

they are quite right to fear it. as should everyone else with an ounce of common sense...


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:02 | 1899511 LawsofPhysics
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The fact that certain CEOs and politicians make it as far as they do and grow as rich as they are should scare anyone with an ounce of common sense.  Such is the way with moral hazard and unchecked fraud.  Reset is just fine with me, I know the value of my labor and that of my employees, fucking bring it.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:23 | 1899627 Zero Govt
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we need to do more than bring on the re-set ...we need to bin that shithole of humanity, Govt, when we re-set

if we replace this corrupt monopoly institution with another we're dumber than fuck and deserve repeating the mistake (and economic hell and misery that goes with it)... see the Russian and Chinese Revoltions, both replacing one set of parasites with a worse one

Re-Set to Zero alright ...but zero Govt ...or it's all a fuking waste of time

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:55 | 1899474 Mugatu
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Cue the Deer!

We're going down big bitches!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:54 | 1899475 Concentrated po...
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I have no faith in humans, they will give up objections to doing the "unthinkable" soon enough.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:58 | 1899497 GeneMarchbanks
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Dude... (somber tone) is this your I'm-ending-this-tonight letter?


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:54 | 1899477 Cognitive Dissonance
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I like Rosenberg. But anyone who screams at the stupidity of the masses without including themself is the bigger fool.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:56 | 1899484 GeneMarchbanks
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+ 1.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:57 | 1899494 MsCreant
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I just had that arguement with someone on this blog on another thread. So damn true.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:59 | 1899499 jcaz
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You mean like those with self-aggrandizing screen names?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:10 | 1899556 Cognitive Dissonance
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OK! OK! 

I admit I don't have a very impressive Cognitive Dissonance. But I do have a Long Dong for Gold and Silver. :)

{And I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.}

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:27 | 1899646 Dirtt
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Man in the mirror?

I guess the delineation is where actions supercede words.  And then there is perception. No doubt people who left Nazi Germany before George Soros stole their property were called cowards.

Survival of the fittest.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:55 | 1899480 Sudden Debt
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I might even compare TODAY as a DOWN DAY!!


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:13 | 1899579 CrazyCooter
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Putting the "D-O-W" back in DOWN, eh?



Mon, 11/21/2011 - 14:57 | 1899486 falak pema
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Merkel is going to make Bernanke print to infinity to save the GS banking squid world wide. The battle of who prints and who doesn't and where the socialised debt ends is on; its going to get ugly, as Oligarchs when they fall out, are worse than T Rex's in war.

The next six months will determine if saving the GS nebulous including all the Euro banks will be funded by Germany or US or a mix. This is what is ultimately going on. The US does not want contagion to hit Euroland as it'll sink US finance. As ECB won't print FED/BB will have to. Fasten seat belts as GS hits Euroland hard to get them to participate to maximum before Ben hits the print button...The drama around Italy, Spain France will heighten as GS pulls all the plugs out. Watch Merkel shake her head and say, shock of Titans.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:17 | 1899593 CrazyCooter
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The global central banks (Fed, ECB, PBC) must *coordinate* to save the system. At least that is my take right now. If these banks do not muster their representatives muy pronto and cooperate to prop up the system, this bitch is coming apart. It may be too late as is.

No one central bank can, by itself, save the system, even the Fed.

So the question is; are they going to team up or shoot at each other. I am thinking the later right now.



Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:23 | 1899626 ZerOhead
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Someone is going to have to print or the party stops...


"While the Treasury has been at pains to say that direct U.S. bank exposure to European countries now receiving bailout aid -- Greece, Ireland and Portugal -- is moderate, once the debt of Italy and Spain, plus credit default swaps, and U.S. bank indirect exposure through European banks are added, the potential sum could exceed $4 trillion." 

BB is the man for the job. Offhand I can think of $16.1 TRILLION very quiet reasons why.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 15:33 | 1899678 CrazyCooter
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I agree, but the Fed can not save them all by itself is my point. That means all three CBs have to get together and figure out how to coordinate to keep the system floating.

That does not seem to be happening ...

4T is a big number for the Fed to vacuum up right now ... OWS protests ... Tea Party ... RP surging in the polls ... if BB hits <Ctl-P> 4T times ... all hell is going to break lose domestically before a presidential election.

I think nuking Iran is the only out right now ... not that I endorse that action.



Mon, 11/21/2011 - 16:35 | 1899918 Ghordius
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What Would President Nixon Do?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 16:57 | 1899976 wisefool
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Is this also based in the kids l33t speak? World War Owned? pretty cool (and unfortunately accurate)  if so!

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