Rosenberg Defines European Insanity

Tyler Durden's picture

The situation in Europe goes from bad to worse. Gluskin Sheff's David Rosenberg is back to his bearish roots as he remind us that 'throwing more debt after bad debts ends up meaning more debt'. As he notes, the definition of insanity is (via Bloomberg TV):

When you realize that of the potential $100 billion to spend, 22% of that has to be provided by Italy and their lending to Spain is at 3% but Italy has to borrow at 6%. They have to lend to Spain $22bn at 3% - it is just madness. Everybody is getting worried again. The solution that they seem to have come up with seems to be worse than the problem in the first place.

As we have pointed out vociferously over the past few days, even though the assistance is being earmarked for the banks, the Spanish government assumes the responsibility and so this once 'low national debt' sovereign is following in Ireland's footsteps as its debt/GDP takes a 10pt jump to 89% (based on the government's data) and much higher in reality (when guarantees and contingencies are accounted for). As Rosie explains succinctly, this is right at the Reinhart-Rogoff limit of 90% at which debt begins to erode the nation's economic fabric.

It is probably not long before this credit - two notches away from junk and having to raise money at 6.75% when its economy is contracting at nearly a 2% annual rate - is going to require external assistance as it follows Ireland onto the sidelines.

The situation in Europe indeed goes from bad to worse.

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vmromk's picture

Nothing that a few well placed swaps couldn't fix.

BTW......FUCK YOU Bernanke.

ACP's picture

Madness?

THIS......IS......PONZI BITCHEZ!

Doña K's picture

Watch that UK Ponzi explode/implode after the Olympic games.

Manthong's picture

But the situation will improve by next month, wont it?

economics9698's picture

Print mother fuckers print.

Pladizow's picture

Borrow at 6%, lend at 3% - makes complete sense in the banking world of fiat paper!

Sudden Debt's picture

IT SURE DOES!

I wonder how you explain that to a six year old who's getting it's first math lesson...

Pladizow's picture

Easy, you explain to the six year old, that the banks are lying, cheating, thieves!

malikai's picture

Is this the dip we've all been waiting to buy?

Cadavre's picture

betting most still waiting for FB to strike above 42$ per share to get to re accumulate their grub stake - margin calls must have been a real bitch ... BUT: that con was beautiful - CNBC should, at least, win A Golden Goebels this year at the Annual Fascist Ball  for their part in that beautifully run pig in a poke. Never ever seen an IPO that included underwriters (who, BTW, probably already owned most of the FB shares at 3.20$/per - or less evun!) publish their buy "low water mark (thinking it 38 bucks).

And how `bout that underwriter (was it Milken wearing a Doug Fugly toupee?) who was hanging at the Zuck's commemorative NASDQ bell ring that fateful morning!! One thing happened for sure - they set a brilliant new and audacious benchmark for running a high stake fast money ponzi. It was totally beautiful.

Citxmech's picture

This sounds like one of those jokes where the punchline is:  "volume."

ACP's picture

Exactly:

"What we don't lose in margin we lose in volume!"

Cupid Stunt's picture

BoE still has a little dry powder left to keep it going well after the Olympfest.

Cadavre's picture

Don't know if-en he be the same dude - but went to school with a guy named Daviid Rosenberg in Hawaii. Freckles, bad teeth, but he always wore Bass Weejuns (depending on his outfit wore black, brown or burgundy Weejuns) , Gant shirts (with the little loop in the back - had to have that), Adler socks that matched his Gant shirts), color coordinated pants (although it was difficult to find the brand names that suited his taste - no Pincus Brother Clothiers on the Islands) and when he screwed up in public his dad would beat the sh*t out of him. One time it was so bad (David screamed like a girl) someone called the cops. David never went to the beach and was the only boy in PE that wasn't barefooted (it rained a lot - most girls wore fake sole less shoes that were little more than a piece of cloth covering the top of the feets from big toe to ankle). At PE when we played "Hawaiian Style" "touch" foot ball (meaning every player could pass or receive the ball and was tackled instead of "touched"). He showered in the girls locker room - and cheated at "match stick poker" and never ever owned a surfboard or went to the beach , BUT, he did have some humongous zits despite the 30 pounds of clearisel per week therapy (ya just wanted to reach out and pop them suckas when you saw them - the sun and salt at the beach left most of us pretty much zit free).

Enough about David EXCEPT , he should bring his analysis home - he should "onshore" his tripe for a while.

The US sells debt to China (or anybody else dumb nuff to buy it) at 3.30%. AND F*CKING LOANS IT TO INSTITUTIONS AT BELOW COST!

Perhaps the spread in the US cost to borrow and price to offer ain't as wide as the Italy Spain fandango, BUT IS IT STILL BE A F*CKING MONUMENTALLY INSANE  WAY TO RUN A PONZI when you consider the shear amount of debt weighing down the US economy. In fact Italy, Spain, the PIIGS and the entire EZ , all have better debt (correction - at least a much lower principal burden) to GDP (GDP turns a 100$ purchase into a 1000$ GDP - that's f*cking insane too!)

CNBC gave viewers a few minutes of sobriety today as the three paisanos (Pento, Pisani and Santelli) tore apart another one of the Gleiberman's drunker zero brained "i suck FED dick" tirades a new asshole (again) , regarding the Spain Italy SNLesque debt comedy of horrors. Italy has 2,700 tons of gold. The jest of the discussion put forth by Santelli was that Italy should issued gold backed bonds (don't know enough to weigh in on that one way or another).

Santelli suggested also that being a politician should be like jury duty - you do it - then you et out - most with a pair that can still land a turd in the pot when they take a shit probably agree.

The problem with the EZ is the same as the US - the are governed by Goldman alumni - shutdown Goldman's and humans might get their world back!

Your verbotten Ministry of the Fatherland Insecurity content flag word for today is:
2600

(You going WTF `bout 2600 ... urs true too .. mean what the f*ck is so threatening about that - unless it be the address of Bins Tora Bora Cave - or his old phone extension at ALCIADA's Langley Branch Office)

Buck Johnson's picture

Yep, thats exactly right it will.  They don't want it to happen before the olympics so they wait until after and then the nasty austerity and such that will be put on people.

TrumpXVI's picture

Exakatickly, these guys are soooo negative!

AlaricBalth's picture

As of today the Fed has $23 billion in outstanding swaps with the ECB. The ECB then turns around and lends this to their troubled banks to give them the appearance of solvency. In essence, the Fed is helping to bail out Europe while debasing the USD. It is time for a full audit of the Federal Reserve.

http://www.ecb.int/mopo/implement/omo/html/index.en.html

http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/fxswap/fxswap_recent.cfm

If the Fed has done nothing illicit, then they have nothing to hide. (Borrowed that from the Dept. of Homeland Security. The pendulum should swing both ways. )

Cadavre's picture

Exactly - problem is don't think the ECB can print. If the EURs are used to re capitalize banks who sold sovereign debt to bond holders that insured those bonds with CDS purchased from ISDA members, then there seems the demand for USDs would be diminished cause there are fewer EURs available for USD devaluation (right?). Meaning stagflation or deflation - gold up when the markets down - never imagined those trends would print so soon,

The question is: Where and who  "Bend Over" Ben go (down) and do next for an excuse to counterfeit? Who else can he swap USD for EUR with? Are there even enough EURs out there to load Ben's spoon for a righteous fix? Is there enough excess EUR capacity for the swaps?

battle axe's picture

First the ARMADA then this, oh the pain.....

Dr. Engali's picture

SHHHHH...don't tell the market.

the 300000000th percent's picture

"everybody is getting worried again" WTF, they should have been way too worried a while ago 

flying dutchmen's picture

Worried --- they people that are worried are the ones that have been milking the systems for years.. When in reality they have added no fucking value what so ever.   People in Financials are overpaid fuck tards.. Not everyone of course--- and of course the whole goverment entitlement BS...  more people who drain wealth but feel like they derserve a golden pension that is double that of private industry..

Sudden Debt's picture

Worried?

IF THEY WHERE WORRIED THEY WOULD BE BUYING SILVER BY THE BUSLOADS!!!

slaughterer's picture

Nice to see Rosie recover from his "light at the end of the tunnel" fantasies.  Now we will probably have a face-ripping rally in European markets to spite his analysis.  

Deep79's picture

Ya probably will. this guy is like Dennis Gartman now, swithces on a dime. I remember when we were approaching 1400 on sp in april he went bullish.

It's a shame, his analysis is very good, his market calls probaly one of the worst ever.

ZerOhead's picture

Face-ripping still beats the new American fetish of face-eating if you ask me...

 

Zero Govt's picture

Govt has been eating our faces for centuries

Rosey is an economist, but he's never worked that one out 

francis_sawyer's picture

I tried to tell him yesterday that it was an oncoming train...

the 300000000th percent's picture

And because of all this full retard activity its going to go from worse to beyond belief

ZerOhead's picture

The dial has only been set to quarter-tard so far... you ain't seen n-n-n-nothing yet!

asteroids's picture

You go broke "a little bit at a time, then all of a sudden." Europe is following the Steve Jobs philosophy of "wishful thnking" and other bullshit when he first got cancer. He's dead now. Europe is following suit.

Sudden Debt's picture

That would be called NECROFILIA...
I'm pretty sure there's a law against it...

Joe A's picture

Yes, but Germany borrows at 0%.

Non Passaran's picture

Until it doesn't, it does

Rich V's picture

The Swiss borrow at -0.6% they could make $$$

Sudden Debt's picture

Imagine....

You buy a house and take out a loan of 400k
...
You don't downpay shit....
...
And every month the banks gives you 400$ because you took out a loan...
...
You want a car? Take a loan!
AND THE BANK PAYS FOR YOUR GAS!!!!

Only in the land of Oz....

Citxmech's picture

I'd like to lock-in that homeloan for 30 years!

JFC

FreedomGuy's picture

Germany, Italy and all other governments do not borrow, per se. The debt accrues to the citizens. Per the article, if I am a thinking citizen in Italy and someone just told me I have to borrow at 6% to give it to Spain at 3% I would be livid. Italy is as crippled as Spain. Germany is giving and pledging its citizens' money to everyone in Europe.

I argue that if you cannot control your money, which is to say your productivity then you really do not control your life. You are in fact a serf or economic slave. When your/our governments give away all our labor and money to anyone they wish after a meeting of "ministers" oiled with expensive bourbons, then you cannot argue you have much say in your own future.

All collectivists welfare states will fail. It is just a matter of how long and how much it will cost.

FreedomGuy's picture

Germany, Italy and all other governments do not borrow, per se. The debt accrues to the citizens. Per the article, if I am a thinking citizen in Italy and someone just told me I have to borrow at 6% to give it to Spain at 3% I would be livid. Italy is as crippled as Spain. Germany is giving and pledging its citizens' money to everyone in Europe.

I argue that if you cannot control your money, which is to say your productivity then you really do not control your life. You are in fact a serf or economic slave. When your/our governments give away all our labor and money to anyone they wish after a meeting of "ministers" oiled with expensive bourbons, then you cannot argue you have much say in your own future.

All collectivists welfare states will fail. It is just a matter of how long and how much it will cost.

carbonmutant's picture

If Debt can be used as money, more is better... right?

Hold on a minute I need another hit...

CCanuck's picture

Puff, puff, Pass...BITCHEZ!

Satan's picture

Down the left hand side buddy...

spastic_colon's picture

I wish everyone would please stop using the word "government" and use the more accurate "taxpayer" since they are the same thing...."government" makes stories sound like someone else is paying the tab.

AlaricBalth's picture

I agree. And while they're at it, I wish they would stop saying "national security" when they really mean "government security".
As in, " We are deploying predator drones domestically for government security. "

It is a bargin my friend's picture

Watch the Poles and Russians going toe to toe today ..thats Europe for you, great innit

Joe A's picture

Watch Obama "droning" whole villages to pieces in Afghanistan. That's America for you, great init. NOT.

Zero Govt's picture

"Gluskin Sheff's David Rosenberg is back to his bearish roots as he remind us that 'throwing more debt after bad debts ends up meaning more debt'."

Not many economists know that

Well done Rosey, you're holding up your entire delapidated profession by a thin thread called basic maths ...not many of your profession can do that, just ask Paul Krugman