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Round Table Republican Debate Live Webcast
It must be at least a few days since the last one because CitizenLink is currently webcasting yet another GOP presidential debate this time the Thanksgiving Family Forum in Iowa which is hosting a round table for the candidates not to be confused with the pumpins generously strewn around, and in which Ron Paul is not unexpectedly projected to potentially win.
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Natalie
Thanks, K-nuk, I needed a laugh after watching that BS. We're doomed.
Damn it! These guys make me want to puke! The questions are patheticly meaningless! Talk and discuss the clusterfuck that is the economic crisis (aka the banker takeover of the world) and show me and everyone else that you got a god damn brain! The only one that doesn't come across as an actor (aka puppet) is Ron Paul, who looks more than a little uncomfortable with the inane crap that they are being asked to talk about. The poor bastard... sharp and geninue guy that understands what's going on in the world and what the remedies are but has to sit and participate in this utter crap charade of a roundtable.
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What a bullshit, and what a bullshit script, only paul and cain talk some sense on war.
fucking idiots, I hope the usa goes broke quick!
Not going to vote for anyone with an R or D by their name. Will vote Mr. P if he is an (I) and if he promises he won't put his son in anything due to the apparent imbalance he shows about things human. If he parties with someone from the left that represents the sanity of a government that takes care of rather than kills their citizens, that person will also agree that war is stupid, they gets another 10 or 15% of the vote. If he promises to not appoint a politician that has ever taken corporate money to any post in his administration, he will get another 10 or 15% of the votes.
That is enough to take it from RomBama because they will be reduced to calling each other names, doing the race and religioius war thing as they stoop to the dirtiest tricks in history on gameshow tv.
That equals a greater percentage than either (R-epulsive and (D-emented) can get with what is left of Amurka.
I havent gone skiing in years. I am flying out with my family in february.
It will be interesting to see if I have been put on the no fly list because of my one weekend at the park. I also bought every book on explosives, mantraps, and improvised weapons available on Amazon. I havent read them. Dont have time. It was about thirty books. I used my real name and credit card.
I am curious to see how pervasive the police state is. I am betting it is not as pervasive as some think.
Oh yeah....go Ron Paul.
Ron Paul seemed to be the only one that takes was as a serious issue. The others make noises about supporting the troops but they reek of wanting to get to the Middle East and mix it up.
//Your gift of $25, $50 or even $100 or more will help equip and motivate family-minded voters //
"Family-minded" / "value voters" = pro-Jesus, nationalism, evolution is "just a theory," bomb brown people, terrorism, waterboarding is fun, wall street creates jobs, OWS are dirty hippies, America is shining city on the hill ordained by God to spread democracy, atheism is worse than terrorism, pro-Israel at all costs, bomb Iran sooner then later, "how will I be able to explain to my child that someone can have two daddy's," blah blah blah ... fuck that narrative is tired
Yeah! Damn traditionalists. Their system didn't work. Our society was much more screwed up and at each other's throats before we embraced moral relativism.
Some of the worst faults of the republicans (water boarding, invasions) are also born of moral relativism, and encouraged and continued by Obama. No one gives a damn what you're doing in your bedroom, pal. Get over your 1980s view of life. Pro-family people are not the enemy, and preferring tradition has, until recently, been considered sane and rational in most cases. It's taken society years of abusive liberal therapy to bring us to the pass we're at now, where any assertion of right and wrong is considered bigotry.
A nice little fascist like you should learn to stand in line. When you've been here longer than 8 weeks, perhaps someone will give a shit what you have to say.
"Pro-family" people, as opposed to what? "Pro-dissolution of the family"? It's like the phrasing of "pro-life," so that makes the other side "pro-death?" Preferring tradition in the American-way and related to social issues often means legislating a Biblical worldview.
I am for having a rational view (ie. not Biblically founded) basis to social issues, one guided by reason, you know, so we can actually join the rest of the developed world when it comes to these sorts of things. Whether or not Republicans or Democrats are more likely to back this sort of thing is another question, which it seems that Democrats are further along in accepting, but unfortunately not for the reason of accepting that moral judgements exist as innate behavior, a manifestation of natural selection. For disclosure purposes, I don't vote which is an entirely different story.
Yes, morality can exist, and does exist without religion. It may be surprising to people who take "evolution as just a theory," but evolution actually can actually work to select the genes of moral behavior, inasfo far that those genes, on average, work to propogate the species. See Kropotkin's "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution," moral behavior amongst chimpanzees and other primates, the mirror neuron system which gives us a neurologic basis for empathy, Joyce's "The Evolution of Morality" ...
If you need your Bible to stop you from killing, cheating, or stealing, then you may want to re-examine your "objective" sense or morality.
PS most of those "traditionalist" supported the War in Iraq, have no problem with torture (The more often Americans go to church, the more likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists, look up the poll), believe there is some sort of secular-atheist cabal out to destroy the Country, and are the very people who were suckered into the "they hate us because we're free" argument. They are also the ones who claim "hands off" government but fail to see the hypocricy in having that view while simultaneously supporting the Federal government's War on Drugs, defining of marriage, when life begins, etc ...
My MAIN issue with the "traditionalists" is that many of these people believe that Jesus is coming back in their lifetime (By the year 2050, 41% of Americans believe that Jesus Christ definitely (23%) or probably (18%) will have returned to earth) which absolves all personal and human responsibility for human problems. Contrary to what these delusional folks may think, Jesus coming back is not a tenable solution to the state of affairs, especially to us who will be living here on Earth by the year 2050 trying to clean up this shit.
They are the same people who will be pounding the War Drums to turn Iran into a parking lot, supporting the whims of Israel, and see no problem with the maintaining the American Empire - because it's God's plan don't ya know?
Make abortion illegal. But hand out free Norplant. Require welfare recipients to have Norplant.
Yeah, and let's give them all free Oxy too. That'll keep them nice and docile. Plus 'ludes for the holidays, so they have something to look forward to!
Now go read Brave New World.
I like the Norplant idea. Presently, all of society gets to pay for some peoples' irresponsible pleasure. How is that right? And often, the unborn person has to die in service of that pleasure. Someone had an orgasm, now taxpayers get to pony up for decades, or someone dies. That's the scummy statist quo.
I like the Norplant idea and have suggested same on many occasions. But don't limit abortion. What's wrong with choice? Would limit temporary sterilization to AFDC, Food Stamps, WIC, CHIPS, etc. programs -- i.e. any programs granting "aid" that require "dependents" to qualify. Guess that includes Welfare too. I really wouldn't exactly know (obvious reaons I hope). Others have suggested drug testing for "aid" recipients as well. But like some here I see a need for Brave New World (soma) self medication. (Free market) Choice is a burden for so many today. Else how could things have gotten this FUBAR? Let losers have their drugs (legalized). Won't (pacified) failure be less burdensome in aggregate that way?
come on holmes, romney is not gwb. he may have been born on 3rd base, but hes a smart sob. are you familiar with how private equity works? its straight up darwinism. if romney can succeed there, hes a smart mofo. i dont really like romney myself, but i recognize his intelligence and competence. unlike gwb.
Romney is the candidate for 1 reason. He is a tax dodger. Buffet wants obama to win, so he has stirred up all this debate about the tax code a.k.a buffet rule. The second romney gets the nom, which he will, he releases 30 years of tax returns showing that he has paid a less effective rate than the average single mom. He can not possibly win. I dont care if he has a 160 IQ and walks on water. Nobody gives a carp that he "had the privledge" of serving out condoms at the Olympic Villiage in Salt Lake city. That is soooooooo pre-Penn State dude.
His currently "secret" unelectability is why he is the chosen one to run against the encumbant. The system is too fragile to handle a change in administrations right now. (from TPTBs perspective) You can say I am crazy but Romeny actually played this game of chicken before with Ted Kennedy. Voters will accept billionare "D" tax avoiders. They will not accept billionaire "R" tax avoiders.
I am supporting Ron Paul tooth and nail. but the second he loses the R nom, I am going to bet every thing I have at intrade
http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474
I was reading the politics section on the fluffington post, there were 3 stories about the now totally irrelavent Michelle Bachman and not one on Ron Paul who is in a statistical tie for first place in polling in Iowa. The corporate media is scared shitless to even mention his name.
ZH's TD(s), nice work, second great one in a week, keep them coming!
the true story next week imho will be the farce that is the "super duper" committee...they are already preparing a plan "b" and further delay of any decisions that mean anything of import to the supposedly free citizens of this country...the requisite cuts will not be made...decisions of any import will be delayed..and the sad charade will continue...the debt burden will grow and u.s. ratings will be cut...
"although the official deadline is midnight wednesday, the committee is legally barred from voting on any plan that was not made public at least 48 hours in advance."
deficit panel gridlocks as deadline nears
time has run out...these are not supermen nor superwomen...these are hardly citizens...
"...Ce ne sont guère les citoyens ...
Traîtres de l'argent mafieux!
bien dit mon ami!
Wow what a waste of 02:58:09 hours waiting for a debate to breakout of this well rehearsed display of weepy ejaculatory utterances. I could have got more entertainment value at an AA meeting condensed into under an hour where sobriety meets probity. Same story, horrifying tales of waking through fire only to emerge walking on water to the cheers of the crowd! Sure glad at lease I wasn’t one of the attendees who stood up to profess having driven over 300 miles to hear this shit show. No wonder C-SPAN backed out of televising citing financial reasons… i.e. Mass sponsor exodus! Got to hand it to moderator Frank Luntz who lured them in with promises of no gotcha questions then setting the hook as all but Paul took most of the bait like hardhead catfish hitting on live shrimp. As far as moderators go he gets rated as a “master” baiter, as he jacked these candidates off for a two hour stretch. The only thing missing last night in this touchy-feely celebration is that Dr. Phil should have been there to ask which incestuous financial relationship had traumatized the candidates most deeply … that would surely have drawn Romney out of hiding. I’d better checkout before this rant gets anymore tortuous than the debate has already been.
The Future’s So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades
Frank Luntz is a maggot.
"Words that work" ... at hiding the truth and putting the idiot Amerikan masses in touch with their inner reptile.
Wait a minute? Your vote counts?
I admit it. I could vote for Ron Paul. Especially as a 3rd Party candidate (see Ross Perot). He splits the Jesus (moron) vote and would cut EVERYTHING (though Congress would never let him). In a world where my government classifies pizza as a "vegetable", a candidate limiting taxation to Medicaid (State tax), and "liberating" morons to die before they reach Medicare/Social Security eligibility (cost savings for the rest of us), Paul has emerged as my kind of mean-ass, angry American. Let failure fail! Vote Ron Paul in 2012!
To all you who are not satisfied with the current crop of Repubs:
Don't worry. You can refuse to vote. You can throw away your vote on another fringe candidate.......or.........
the more likely reason you're whining is because you are actually an Obanana supporter.
There is a republican named Buddy Romer who is in complete media blackout, even more than ron paul, who has a shot at beating Obama. Do you see a pattern here?
The establishment, meaning lobbyists and buerocrats, need two term administrations. They put food on their tables with initiatives that take decades to play out. Bush's terms were designed to run the wars and set up the economic "reordering" that obama and corzines crew are administrating. Obamas healthcare will not go into effect into his second term, and that is why the establishment is garenteeing him a win.
As others have mentioned, romney might get the nod in 2016, to "reform" healthcare and start tax reform, but the fix for 2012 is in. The hyppocracy is the problem. If they want to still call the USA a democracy they just need to change the presidential term to 8 years and be done with it.
I intend to profit off of this (intrade bet on Obama) since they have taken away my right to democratic rule.
Does anyone even recall the leaders of Rome in the late 3rd century?
I sure don't. It did not matter who they put in charge, because the end result of a completely corrupted empire is always the same.
I love Ron Paul and think he is the only candidate who at least understands the concepts that the USA was founded on. Still, if you think electing a great man to lead a ship of fools will make a difference, you are just dreaming.