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The Rulers And The Ruled

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From Bill Buckler, author of The Privateer

The Rulers And The Ruled

The truth that without property rights, no other rights are possible has been known for millennia. In the formalised study of politics, it is more than 300 years old, having been articulated with great care by John Locke in the late 17th century. The modern study of economics is well over 200 years old. Adam Smith’s Wealth Of Nations was published in 1776 - the same year as Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration Of Independence. The great work which finally integrated money with politics and economics celebrates its centennial this year. Ludwig von Mises published his Theory Of Money And Credit in 1912 - the year before the US inaugurated an income tax and a central bank. Ten years after that in 1922, von Mises published Socialism - a book which established beyond refutation the fundamental truth that any form of central planning and/or government control of the means of production cannot work because it makes economic calculation impossible. Picture if you will the state of ANY other branch of human endeavour if ALL the knowledge about it gained over the past three centuries had been summarily dismissed.

Property rights are a prerequisite for any kind of exchange - direct or indirect. The ability to exchange is fundamental to any type of viable economic activity. The efficiency of exchange is fundamental to the success of that economic activity and the resultant prosperity of the nation that engages in it. Indirect exchange using a MEDIUM of exchange or money is hugely more efficient than direct exchange or barter. That makes money the most important economic good in existence. The tragedy of our present global plight is the simple fact that money is also the least understood economic good in existence.

The first pre-requisite of the establishment of a “society” of the rulers and the ruled has always been the same. The rulers must gain control over the medium of exchange. For obvious reasons, no nation can ever progress to a state of advanced economic activity until a medium of exchange is established. Once it is established, there is no going back. An advanced economy cannot operate by means of barter. The problem is that once the government or the rulers gain control of money, it progressively ceases to be a medium of exchange and becomes a medium of control. That impinges on the functioning of markets which in turn impinges on the maintenance of property rights. Thus, we come full circle from a free society to a command society. There has never been any shortage of those who want to rule. The problem has always been with the vast majority who are content to be ruled. Today’s global outcry for the manufacturing of more and more “money” out of thin air is an eloquent testimony. It shows that most people have no understanding of freedom, markets or money. Lacking such understanding - and having no desire to gain it - most people have accepted government as their masters.

As Robert Heinlein stated the problem - it is impossible to free a serf or a slave. He or she must free themselves and most are much more terrified of that prospect than they are resentful of being ruled.


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Sun, 09/02/2012 - 04:27 | 2755947 catch edge ghost
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Mmm, global outcries.

Q: How much QE does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: More!

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:42 | 2756019 Papasmurf
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First you have to screw the earners and savers.  Then you can screw the lightbulb.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:38 | 2756112 Precious
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Possession is 10/10ths of ownership.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 23:15 | 2757005 goldfish1
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Wells Fargo fires Des Moines worker for 10 cent laundromat incident 49 years ago

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 17:33 | 2756687 lasvegaspersona
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very optimistic...they seem to think we will make it to December...ha! how do we even make it past the Spain and Italian bond offerings mid-September?

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 15:14 | 2756512 Nevermore Peabody
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You didn't screw in that light bulb. there were a lot of bright folks who had to make and deliver that lightbulb for you.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 08:23 | 2757358 New_Meat
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pssst: it was South St. and Main.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 04:41 | 2755951 whoopsing
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Why do we render to ceasar that which he can conjure himself ?....scratch's head.....

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:01 | 2756035 Rollerball
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"Ownership" is a false premise.  Nobody owns anything.  Control is forfeiture of choice to self-administrate personal responsibility.  

We are "given" ONLY a place in time through the process of creation and sustenance of choice.  That is all we "own".  

Earth travels @ 900 miles/hour in "her" trip around the sun.  The universe travels @ 1,000,000 miles/day around the milky way galaxy.  So the sun "owns" the earth, the galaxy "owns" the universe, and a black hole "owns" the galaxy?  

And water's two hydrogen molecules "own" its oxygen molecule.  

Insanity's reigns.   


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:13 | 2756046 Azannoth
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A Molecule does not own any of it's atoms or particles it attracts because it's not self aware thus has no concept of anything

Ownership(like many other) abstract concepts materialize out of self awareness, it's a meta relationship acknowledged by a conscious being

@Reductio ad absurdum

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:37 | 2756068 Rollerball
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Nothing exists outside the perception of intelligence.  Humans are not unique in possession of "self" awareness.  

Intelligence can not be "owned", only accepted.  Therefore, no thing is "owned" (only accepted).  It is illogical (and immoral) to accept "ownership" because it does not exist.  It's a false construct of "intelligence" -- an illusion of, so called, free-will.

I am, therefore I think.

PS:  substitute "adams" for molecules in initial post, thanks:)

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:48 | 2756076 Sofa King Confused
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There used to be a time when you got Alodial Title to your house and property; which means free and clear from any and all taxes and or liens.  Now when you buy your property, you are labeled as Tenant and that is why now everybody has to pay property taxes.  It never used to be that way, now you only get to use that home but must pay an annual fee.  The real question is, who is the real owner?

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:59 | 2756089 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Yes even after you pay the mortgage you still rent it from the gubbamint. Problem is, our rulers have convinced us that we NEED to pay taxes. That would be a huge loss of control for them though, if we didn't have to pay property taxes.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:12 | 2756099 krispkritter
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Yeah, and they'll go after you any way they can.  

I was contacted by the Supervisor of Elections to verify my 'residency' and I said it's the same address I've used for 10 years, want my DL or a power bill? No. Property Appraiser shows up a couple weeks later and says they have to verify the residence.  Two weeks later my TRIM notice shows up and my taxes shot up 26%. I called to ask why and they said a structure on the property was not on my tax rolls. I said you permitted it 10 years ago, and it's the second 'structure' in the property description. No dice. They call the Building Dept who is claiming I don't have a right to use the structure and will probably try to have me tear it down.

I called the SOE and told them to take my voting right and shove it. Fucking unholy alliance if you ask me...

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:37 | 2756117 nmewn
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To add insult to injury, they'll probably want you to get a permit to tear it down.

Here's another good one...I went to renew my Florida DL and thanks to former govenor Charlie Crist the cost doubled. On top of that, Tallahassee for some reason needs to have my FEDERAL TAX ID social security number.

Now, us "old timers" distinctly remember Congress saying that number would never ever be used as an tracking number...a citizen ID number...the Nazi-like, show me jour papers comrade.

Well, they lied, again...I know, big surprise right.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:51 | 2756129 toady
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That was one of my grandmothers favorites. A couple times a year she would go on a tirade about how that damn FDR had promised, PROMISED! the SS number wouldn't be used for ID purposes!

And don't get her started on how the income tax was supposed to end when the war ended. Those @#$%%&* PROMISED!

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 12:34 | 2756303 sskid
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That income tax was then called the "Victory Tax", This was to be a temporary two year tax supposedly authorized by Article 1 Section 8 clause 12 of the constitution which says that Congress has the power: 

"To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer Term than two years"


The Victory Tax was repealed by section 6 of Income Tax Act of 1944, which in amending the I.R.C. includes the states of the union in the terms "certain foreign countries" (section 6 (b)(3)) and "foreign countries and possessions of the United States" (section 6 (b)(4)).  This restored the scope of income taxation to what it had been prior to the Victory Tax, as not including individuals in the states of the union.


But because Congress failed to make it generally known that the Victory Tax was no longer in effect, people did not know to discontinue the withholding begun for the Victory Tax.  One was then considered as being a volunteer in paying income tax.

The scope of the I.R.C. never targeted all individuals in the union.  Only for a brief period, and under war powers, were all individuals made subject to taxation of income.  The repeal of the Victory Tax means the scope of what is taxed was restored to its original intent, and individuals in the states of the union do not have to pay taxes on their incomes.  And as the Victory Tax was the only act to have levied any such tax, the scope of taxation has never again expanded to include the whole of The United States of America.


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 13:34 | 2756380 tip e. canoe
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did you see this nmewn?

DHS agent states the STATE OF FLORIDA is Federal Property.

funny how the Iron Fist of Facts is starting to emerge out of the Velvet Glove of Illusion.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 09:47 | 2757514 nmewn
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Yeah, I heard about that...the state of Florida being federal property that is.

I believe Lincoln established the premise, it still doesn't make it right or proper ;-)

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:42 | 2756123 toady
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You're fucked.

NEVER speak honestly with a government agency. In fact, NEVER speak to a government agency at all. On the phone, "he's not here right now, can I take a message?" Etc. If you must deal with the gov do it through a lawyer. That way, if it gets really ugly, you can bow down and say the lawyer must have misunderstood.

Classic case of "we're from the government and we're here to help". I'd be willing to bet this 'verify residency' scam was pulled on many people in your area.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 13:57 | 2756409 kayl
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There is an acronym for this legal process. In the study guide for the Federal Rules of Evidence:

Outcasts Commit Crimes.

(Anyone who is not part of the Pyramid and not a lawyer/gatekeeper is where the eye cannot see--an outcast.)

To manage your self-interests you have to use these three tools:

O = Objection

C = Consent

C = Claim

If you consent to give people information, you have consented that they use the information for their own purposes.

Take this lesson as a positive incentive to learn the UCC and manage your own commercial affairs.






Sun, 09/02/2012 - 13:07 | 2756355 roadhazard
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I have several out buildings on my property. The County Tax Assessor came by the first time since 1980 a few years ago. They doubled my property taxes because of the extra buildings I built without a permit. They would rather have the tax money than make me take them down.


If they were ever to take my property because I could not pay the taxes I would scorch the earth on this five acres before I left.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 13:32 | 2756378 cherokeepilot
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My wife and I have had a conversation about this subject (real estate taxes above our ability to pay and county confiscation of our property for failure to pay taxes).  AR15s, Ak47s many gallons of gasoline and matches will be used before they move us.  I built every structure on my land and I'll not leave my land with any structure standing on it unless it is by my choice. 

I consider it rather ironic that my great grandfather had his land taken by the government and given to someone else and now there is a possibility that the process could be experienced by me.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 16:32 | 2756619 Miffed Microbio...
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My husband & I erroneously built my 200 square foot tack room thinking that size and below didn't require a permit in CA. Unfortunately, we found out later it was 150 sq. feet or less. We didn't worry about it until we put our solar in and had to have it inspected by the county. The solar contractor asked us if we had any unpermitted structures and we told him about the tack room. He warned us it was highly likely once you get these county inspectors on your property they would go fishing for fines. I panicked and thought we should dismantle it. Mr miffed is more cagey than I and came up with a better idea. When I came home from work the next day my tack room had disappeared. In it's place was four tons of alfalfa hay covered with a tarp. Only inconvenience was not being able to ride for a few weeks until the inspection was done...angry men are great at achieving a goal but sometimes overlook other things! :-)


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:12 | 2756098 lesterbegood
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My information is that the international bankers own North America. In 1933 the USA declared bankruptsy (Emergency Banking Act of 1933). FDR issued some executive orders; bank holiday, gold confiscation, etc. US citizens/persons were declared 'enemy combatants' with respect to the federal corporation when Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917 was amended in 1933. House Joint Resolution 192 of 1933 declared that all US citizen/persons and their property now belong to the state.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:59 | 2756136 Abitdodgie
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The BLM hold title to your property, you can update the title to yourself if you live outside a Corperation. The BLM is in turn owned by yes you got it, The Queen of England

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 10:39 | 2756186 Sofa King Confused
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How can you live outside the corporation.  Admiralty or Maritime Law no longer works for us because we are given a social security number at birth which makes each of us a corporation to tax at will.  Citizen income taxes are illegal, but, by using the SS # we can be taxed as a corporation.  Since the adoption of the British style Common Law, which rules the land now, and us individually being seen as corporations we have no way to claim Alodial Title.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 11:05 | 2756214 lesterbegood
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My info is the 'laws' 14th Amendment US citizens/persons live under is the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC). In 1938 the US SUPREME COURT replaced common law with commercial law (Erie vs Thomkins). In my opinion as a layman, UCC is essentially law merchant with a little admiralty thrown in - British copywrited law, as it were.

As for birth registration, my info is that when Mama signed the contract titled Certificate of Live Birth (CLB) she signed over baby to the state. The baby's name is printed in upper and lower case letters (John Dumb Doe). The STATE OF ... take the CLB, microfilms it, and issues a CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH, whereas the Name of the baby is changed to all upper-case letters (JOHN DUMB DOE). In law, names of dead fictional corporate entities are in ALL CAPS, to distinguish them from living sentient beings whose names are in upper-lower case.

Legally speaking, it appears that the STATE OF... being a dead fictional entity itself, deceitfully turns living human beings into dead fictional entities so that it can control them? This process is called mortmain; French for 'dead hand'.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 11:40 | 2756247 Sofa King Confused
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The 14th admendment was passed in 1868 and was mostly about making it legal to give citizenship to blacks and the due process clause

The UCC was created in 1952 to create a standard for trade, and monetary transactions between the states.  The UCC was written by lawyers at the time and States slowly started to adopt it.  Louisiana is the only state that has not adopted Article 2 of the UCC and still uses Civil Law concerning trade and sale of goods.


I think what you are refering to has more to do with the Federal Reserve Act and The Sixteenth Admendment both of which were created in 1913.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 18:13 | 2758793 GeoffreyT
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The fact that the State does not permit we serfs to actually own real property, is one of the biggest 'secrets that are out in the open'. For the longest time, I thought it was just one of those internet 'urban legends', but then I watched a talk at Christ Church, Oxford that was given by Prof Terence Kealey (Vice Chancellor of Buckingham University - a for-profit private university) in which Prof Kealey also made it ABUNDANTLY clear that this is the case.


It's on YouTube - here - it's a long talk, and Prof Kealey only gets to the property issue later in the piece (I can't be arsed extracting the exact point in the talk - the whole thing is well worth watching).


So anyhow - having thus had my interest piqued (again), I asked The Lovely what she thought of his argument. Off she went into the arcane world of legal research, and back came the answer: yep - he's right, and the more you think about it, the righter he is.


I've always taken a dim view of dummies who talk about "our house"  (or "our car") when the asset is 90% owned by a bank who retains good title until the last payment... but the issue of forcible alienability ("eminent domain" etc) takes the issue of home 'ownership' to a whole new level of what-the-fuck.


Once we accept that the political-parasite class (and its camp-followers) view us with contempt and see us as little more that livestock, those of us who care to kick at the traces can make plans to get the tax-eating vermin off our backs and out of our pockets. As Chesterton wrote in the final stanzas of "The Secret People" (my favourite non-Catullus poem apart from "Byron's Ode to Boatswain"):


They have given us into the hands of the new unhappy lords,

Lords without anger and honour, who dare not carry their swords.

They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;

They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.

And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,

Their doors are shut in the evenings; and they know no songs.

We hear men speaking for us of new laws strong and sweet,

Yet is there no man speaketh as we speak in the street.

It may be we shall rise the last as Frenchmen rose the first,

Our wrath come after Russia's wrath and our wrath be the worst.

It may be we are meant to mark with our riot and our rest

God's scorn for all men governing. It may be beer is best.

But we are the people of England; and we have not spoken yet.

Smile at us, pay us, pass us. But do not quite forget.

Our wrath be like Russia's wrath, and our wrath be the worst... chance would be a fine thing.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:58 | 2756131 gwiss
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You are misunderstanding the conception of ownership.  I would be curious to hear your definition of "ownership", because I think you are attempting to impute properties from it that are impossible.

I don't agree that intelligence is the basis for all existence, and that without intelligence existence ceases.  This is a typical human arrogant and self centered conception of the world.  We are very small ants in a very large world that is immensely more complicated than we can possible imagine, and it would be foolish to presume that the fractal stops with us at the top.  When we cease to exist, the world continues to go on without a hiccup.  We need to get over ourselves.

What does exist in the world outside our heads is matter, which exists in limited supply.  This creates a problem, for we are all dependent on matter, and there is only so much to go around.  Thus, the question is, how are we going to approach this problem of limited supply?  Nature's solution is to let the strong take from the weak and let the weak die.  This produces a very rubust, dynamic, and stable system, for it wastes little.  However, the focus of this system is the health of the system itself.  It sacrifices the individual in order to keep the system healthy.  This does not allow for long and complicated and technological answers to problems, because there is not that much free time for introspection and the creation of more roundabout means of production in a world in which attack and defense are always on the forefront of everyone's mind.

Humans long ago conceived of a way to stop wasting effort on the escalating arms race of mutual competition, and we call this conception the social contract.  The social contract represents a recognition that all humans possess self awareness and intelligence, and represents an unspoken agreement of mutual non-aggression.  However, how do we then divide out resources in a non-aggressive way, given that they exist in limited supply?  The answer is property rights.  Of course, there are no such thing as property rights outside of human intelligence, for they are a human invention and conception.

Property rights are simply our way of making life into a game, a sport with rules, and in this way making it less deadly.  When both of us respect the others property, then what we are actually doing is demonstrating through our actions that we respect the other person,  and respect their need to use material to survive.  This prevents us from resorting to deadly force in order to get what we need to survive, which allows us to spend much less energy on defense and offense and instead spend much more time on creativity in how to be more efficient with the use of resources.

Of course, there is no  external "rule" that prevents us from discarding this mutually agreed upon social contract, any more than there is an external "rule" that prevents a basketball player from pulling out a taser to stun his opponents in order to score a goal.  But, once this player violates the internal rules of the game, then the game ceases to exist and the "rules" disappear, as all parties recognize that the rules are only useful when all parties agree to respect them, because the rules only exist as a mutual agreement.  Rights too are only conventions of mutually extended respect.  They do not exist outside of human conception.

So, what happens when an individual discards the mutual respect of the social contract?  It dissolves, and human existence devolves back to a state of nature.  This is what war represents.

So, you can denigrate the concept of property rights all you want, but it is the only peaceful way that humans have discovered to co-exist.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 13:27 | 2756374 Miffed Microbio...
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Thanks gwiss for the well thought out post. Conceptually I think as you but I hadn't distilled it down to the essence of the right of property ownership. I have been really trying to find the essential core of our societal degradation, lots of theories bantered around here...good ones too but not pivotal. It applies historically as well. Using history as a guide, it appears the restoration of property rights seems to always be violent. I can think of a case were it has not. Perhaps, hopefully, I'm just a poor student of history.


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 13:46 | 2756393 cherokeepilot
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I really admire people like you who can clearly explain the value of a concept such as "property rigths".  Thank you for your post.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 12:36 | 2756310 Amagnonx
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Ok - you sure are full of it.  You spout out stuff trying to look like a philosopher, but you don't even understand what you just said.


If things cannot be owned, then you don't own your brain, which may infer that someone else owns it - or seemingly more likely, that its currently vacant.


"Nothing exsists outside the perception of intelligence."  Psuedo intellectual claptrap like this really offends me - you try to sound like you are saying something meaningful, but on immediate observation is .. well, claptrap.


The 'perception of intelligence' is a phrase that seems to contain information, but patently doesn't.  It needs clarification if it is going to be the basis of some sort of ongoing rant.  Taking a purely literal interpretation, I could analyze the meaning as follows; "If we don't apprehend it with our minds, it doesn't exist."  This tends to automatically restrict the existence of things to our own personal experience and knowledge - in other words, if I can't see it - it didn't happen.


Good luck with that theory when a bus hits you in the back.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 15:40 | 2756555 jwoop66
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He/she probably has a masters or doctorate in world studies or something like it.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 19:59 | 2756812 HardAssets
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There is some truth in what you say . . . but at this 'place' and 'time' we are organized in patterns of matter/energy that we consider as ourselves . . . John, Joe, Mary, etc. These patterns exist though the atoms making up our bodies change as they are recycled with the surrounding universe. This is 'the game' we choose to play.

In order for mortal human beings to live, we must use the fruits of nature that are provided us - - and combine our labor with it. We need this in order to exist. But if we don't control the product of our labor - - we have no real control over our own lives. There is no value in working, if what one produces can be taken from them on a whim, and thus, their ability to survive.

Locke wrote of the importance of property rights and personal liberty over 300 years ago. It would be good to study his work and "Cato's Letters" which were read by the American founders during the Revolution.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 11:47 | 2756252 dark pools of soros
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Pimps own ho's & gold

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 12:27 | 2756294 Anusocracy
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Like the rest of your post, your rotational speed of earth is bullshit.

Earth's speed is about 65,000 mph.

And I don't even know what to say about "The universe travels @ 1,000,000 miles/day around the milky way galaxy".

Please go back to your hunter-gatherer tribe.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 13:08 | 2756356 Sofa King Confused
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24,900 miles is the circumference of the earth. So, by traditional education, the earth would spin approx 1000 miles per hour.  How so then would a flight from the east coast to london be the same amount of time as from london to the east coast? Technically, if the earth spins at 1000 mph and a typical plane flies between 550-600 mph, one would never be able to reach their destination in one of the leg of the flight due to the fact the earth is moving at 400+ mph faster. 

I know everybody says because gravity keeps our atmosphere in check pulling it around at the same rate as the  world spins which sounds quite logical.  So lets say, if you are in a room with  zero gravity and a vacuum environment here on earth, you should be forced against the wall with the pressure of 1000 mph force from the spinning of the earth right!

Wrong...Check out  the NASA Zero Gravity Research Facility


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 21:40 | 2756909 Anusocracy
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Sorry. Meant orbital speed.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 20:07 | 2756831 HardAssets
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Actually hunter-gatherers are very practical people without time for b.s. (They must be that way to survive.)  I suspect they would throw this guy out or use him to bait a trap.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 20:44 | 2756846 Radical Marijuana
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The number of negative votes regarding that post  by Rollerball demonstrates the degree to which people who comment on ZeroHedge like to indulge in the delusions that "private property" ever actually meant anything but lies, backed by violence.  It DOES mean that!

There is ONE energy flowing, according to its own laws and general systems evolution. That one energy flowing IS the medium of exchange. Any and all meaningful language subtracts parts from that Whole, and then partially reassembles them inside systems of understanding.

Money is based on robbery, backed by murder. There is no other way that can exist. All of the false fundamental dichotomies regarding "good" money versus "bad" money miss that fundamental point, that there were never any such absolute dichotomies, only relative separations.

Money is primarily a symbol of coercion, that can become a means of cooperation, given enough evolution of the balancing of the rates of social robberies. There is no fundamental dichotomy between ruler and ruled. There is no fundamental dichotomy between object and subject.  None of that makes sufficient sense in postmodernizing science, that is liberated to become consistent with the ancient mysticism out of which it emerged.

The problem with having atomic energy, and genetic engineering, etc., is that those ideas were based on discovering basic unitary mechanisms. I.e., all one energy, and all one language, which then enable technologies based upon that to become billions and trillions of times more powerful, because those were based on better understandings.

We have NOTHING remotely like that in human ecology and political economy, since those disciplines are self-referential triumphs of lies about themselves, in order to become relatively successful.  We have established elites, who are the best at deceits, able to deny what they are actually doing, while their controlled opposition reveals a little of that reality, but then collapses back to the same old idealized bullshit regarding what we should do instead.


There can be no "realities" other than that!  Money must necessarily fit into that, and it always did and does, and will continue doing so.  However, the profound paradoxes play through, that those who were the best at organizing their lies, in order to organize their robbery, become the relative rulers.  The ruled were indeed brainwashed to believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories.  Thus, we have this endless merry-go-round of tedious propaganda wars between different systems of organized lies.


I kind of liked the comments in some other articles where AKAK asserted membership  in the cult of Radical Definitionism Extremists,  Clearly, I am asserting something analogous.  I am saying this:


Those are the ONLY ways that human sciences can be made consistent with sciences such as physics and biology, and so forth.  That realization necessarily has a similar effect upon human sciences the way that not believing the Earth was the center of the universe changed astronomy.  It was like understanding that there are infinite domains of subconsciousness, and supraconscious, surrounding and interpenetrating all human psychology.  Applying science to ourselves totally blows away all of the bullies' bullshit social stories, including blows away their controlled opposition, made of various reactionary revolutionaries who want their solutions to still be based on the old impossible ideals, and false fundamental dichotomies.

It reminds me of how there were two very different kinds of Marxism, in which the second emerged out of the first, by devouring and destroying it. The first kind of Marxism was scientific, the second was Messianic. The first was a good analysis of history, the second was more bullshit solutions, more similar to Catholicism in deeper structure, than still scientific.

If we have a scientific view of human beings, then the analysis of history will always necessarily reveal organized systems of lies and robbery, and any changes will be changes to transform those into different systems of organized lies and robbery.

Understanding money is part of that process. I expect that most of the people who read Zero Hedge do not want to go through that process. They want to still believe that somehow private property does not depend on lies and violence.  They want to still believe that somehow it is possible to have good, or better, money, which is not going to based upon organized lies operating organized robbery.

Sorry Folks, that ain't going to happen.  The only "good" solutions are for more of the ruled to become rulers, by them also understanding better that they are already inside of systems of organized lies operating robberies.  Higher consciousness through a greater use of information is possible. However, money systems are ALWAYS going to be fundametnally based on murder systems.  ONLY better death controls can make better debt controls. All of that requires more spiritual understanding of the processes of subtraction. The subtraction is never absolute, and therefore, the processes of robbery are never over ...

"Property rights" are NEVER anything more than dynamic equilibria between the different systems of organized lies operating robberies.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 21:14 | 2756877 HardAssets
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There are two ways for human beings to obtain the things they need to live - - to produce them (including trading with others for the items they have produced) or to take them from others.

The best way to expand material abundance for humanity is through production - the source of all wealth. Predatory societies that do not produce will eventually fall. A world made up of such societies is doomed.

Money is a human invention - it is the generally valued good which can be used as a medium of exchange. (The shoemaker doesn't need to have a desire for eggs in order to sell his shoes to a farmer. Commodity money serves as an intermediate good that he can exchange for something he wants later.)

It is only in voluntary free exchange between free individuals that humanity stands a chance of surviving and of advancing. Tyranny and theft are common in history, but not inevitable.

If we did not have this possibility - - - than it comes down to "Right Makes Right", "Rule of the Jungle". That will only bring eventual annihilation.  But, this is not the way that the vast majority of human beings live their lives today.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 00:42 | 2757080 Radical Marijuana
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"Productions" are robberies from nature, based on ancient human lies. We kill other living things, in order to consume them. We transform the natural world.  Your notions of production are ancient human notions, self-justifying, without understanding or admitting that.  That is why your dichotomy between production and predation is impossible to reconcile with systematic understandings of physics or biology ... You are presuming that human beings are already special. You are presuming a kind of basic Biblical taken for grantedness that all of nature was provided to humans, for them to have dominion over, and to transform "productively."  When we do that, we wipe out many other life forms, that were doing their own "productive thing."  Generally, throughout North America, there is less than 10% of the life that used to be here, while vastly more human activities.  In the oceans it is similar, although worse.  Our ideas about production are actually predation that we have rationalized to be perfectly O.K.!  Since us humans agree among ourselves that domesticating and destroying other animals and plants is being "productive," there is no rational overall debate of the energy flows in the greater ecologies.  We approach everything with a profoundly fraudulent financial accounting system. We measure everything according to our own short-term values. Human arrogance makes integrating human and industrial ecology with the natural ecology practically impossible. The runaway triumph of our own bullshit about ourselves dominates our attitudes and activities towards everything else! It is impossible for Neolithic civilization to have any longer term survival, since it is so awesomely arrogant about the natural systems which it expropriated, while otherwise taking completely for granted. To survive longer, we would have to revolve back to being more like the natural world evolved to be, over its own longer term.  We are basically destroying the operating systems of Spaceship Earth, because we are controlled by the triumph of our own lies. The most violent and dishonest amongst us control what we do, by being able to totally lie about that to themselves, and everyone else. Indeed, the big bullies of Neolothic civilization have perfected an awesome arrogance, that almost everyone now takes for granted as the most successful and best way to live! We enshrine a whole bunch of false fundamental dichotomies regarding good and evil, such as production versus predation or parasitism, when all of those should be regarded as unitary mechanisms that blend into each other, and are inter-convertible. ... Of course, I expect we will only learn those lessons in the worst possible ways, since natural selection is the only back-up system to the artificial selection that we should be doing first, better. Intelligence was the internalization of natural selection. That process has barely begun, and so far, our established systems are paradoxically based on deliberately denying that as much as they can, and therefore, we accomplish everything we need to do through the maximum possible deceits and hypocrisies ... while almost all of us agree that is a good thing, and that thinking any other way would be bad. WELCOME TO THE BIZARRO MIRROR WORLD. Pretty well everything is as backwards as it could possibly be, especially the way we think!

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 06:37 | 2757286 HardAssets
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"Productions are robberies from nature."

Do other college kids fall for your long winded Marxist tinged rants ?

Dropping in every term youve read from the library doesnt make for a sound argument - or impress anyone worth impressing.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:56 | 2758315 Radical Marijuana
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I do NOT consider myself a Marxist. I am ONLY "Marxist" to the degree that I regard some of Marx's work as having been actually scientific, at least during the time that he was writing.  I most certainly do NOT regard the Communist Manifesto as being scientific, but just another bunch of bullshit spouted by alternative bullies.  I do consider myself a kind of political scientist, attempting creative syntheses of everything I have learned.

My main preoccupation was first the murder system, i.e. the insanity of atomic bombs used to back up established systems of civilization.  That led me to the money system, as what paid for that insanity.  From there I got involved in politics in Canada, I have had two court cases against the government over the laws that control the funding of politics ... and I may now be headed to my third.

I wonder who you consider worth impressing?

However, I do not think it matters.  These days I am about 100% objectively depressed that there will be economic collapse, world war, and matrial law.  There is nothing I could say which will stop that from happening. I just pass the time and amuse myself with attempts to understand the reality of the money and murder systems.  ... However, I do not command a gang of organized killers to back me up. I just point out the runaway insanities of the systems in which those who were the best at being dishonest in the past DO command gangs of organized killers, with weapons that are billions and trillions of times bigger than anything that ever existed before in known human history.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 12:27 | 2756292 Amagnonx
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Awesome observation, and funny as hell.  The answer to the rhetorical question is .. because it doesn't have any value until we have worked for it - and we can only pay tax after work - therefore proof of the conjurors value.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 05:32 | 2755955 Gringo Viejo
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Robert Heinlein also said....."An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 06:56 | 2755985 RECISION
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Nice theory, unfortunately people are demonstrably stupid whatever the circumstances.  In another universe you might have good manners, on this planet you'd just get the shootout at the OK Corral.  (or the shoot out at Fifth Avenue)

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:07 | 2755990 SunRise
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If your broad generalization is true, then that means your statement is stupid too, unless you mean that everyone else is stupid but you . . . hmmmmm

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:38 | 2756016 Cognitive Dissonance
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Everyone else is always stupid.

This classic example of our own ego driven sense of superiority is also the psychological trap that ensnares all of us, trapping us in the here and now with no real perspective or self awareness, hopelessly blinded by our own hubris and narcissistic navel gazing.

Except me of course.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:31 | 2756063 Azannoth
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This statement would almost imply that we're all intellectually equal, which is clearly not the case ;)

You should always try to differentiate the subjective from the empirical

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:57 | 2756133 toady
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As George Carlin said, everyone driving faster than me is a maniac, and everyone driving slower than me is an idiot.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 10:07 | 2756148 Nobody
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It is always good to see that you are still hiding in the trees, but are willing to jump out and say Boo!
I miss your insight

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 10:39 | 2756185 Cognitive Dissonance
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You are very kind. Thank You.

While I am in the comment section daily I have not posted an article for many months. Call it a sabbatical or maybe right sizing. Been doing a lot of reading, thinking and reflection of late but very few finished pieces. Mrs. Cog has been on my case to put something out there so people won't think I'm dead and buried.

Soon dear.......soon. ;))

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 16:44 | 2756628 RockyRacoon
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Give my best to Lady Cog.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 10:58 | 2756058 Azannoth
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This is where Evolution comes in, as stupid people would relatively quickly die out in shootings thus leaving mostly polite people alive(sure with some collateral on the good side)

Protecting(by force) people from their bad decisions or the effects thereof is anathema to a healthy existence cultural and genetic progress of a species, it's essential to let natural processes not be overruled on a whim as they are there for a reason

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 07:02 | 2757290 HardAssets
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Well actually, the OK Corral event was unusual. The real history is not as depicted in the movies, (even at the OK Corral which was in 1881 and near the end of the Old West time period). Web search the book "The not so wild, Wild West" and you'll see that voluntary co-operation out of mutual self interests was more prominent in our history. - On reflection, shouldn't this be obvious?   People in constant mortal battle with one another, aren't able to produce very much.

Co-operation would have made for very boring movies, so Hollywood invented their own version of the 'Wild West' - - - a place less violent than modern day Chicago. (There was the government sanctioned and carried out program of war against the native Americans previous to most settlement.)

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 11:47 | 2756253 EvlTheCat
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Great book Beyond This Horizon

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 20:39 | 2756858 HardAssets
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I'll have to go back and read some Heinlein. Havent done so in a very long time.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 05:35 | 2755956 q99x2
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And many lost their final worth when they became freed. Anyhow we're being gypped by being sold something with fake money under Maritime law. But why gripe if you've willing to die believing you own your house.

Algos ate the exchanges. Markets dead.

No one is ruling.

And I'm going fishing.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 05:55 | 2755960 GreatUncle
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"It is impossible to free a serf or a slave. He or she must free themselves and most are much more terrified of that prospect than they are resentful of being ruled."

Only half the story, many are already wanting to be free but are restrained through those with power and the demands they make.

The other half of the story though and nobody will ever mention, take a central banker or politician, strip them of all power and worth. Then see the fear in their eyes as they are all alone in this world hence it will continue no matter the principle of serfdom being right or wrong.

In my mind I am currently free and only through the passage of death will the body join it.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:47 | 2756078 CH1
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He or she must free themselves and most are much more terrified of that prospect than they are resentful of being ruled.


The real problem is not rulers forcing physical compliance, it is their fingers in our brains!

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 20:08 | 2756834 shovelhead
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Oh really?

Tell the Judge "Fuck you, I ain't paying that ticket" and see if the problem is fingers in the brain.

The problem will be Bubba in your backside while cooling your heels in the slammer.

Screw the propaganda...That's expected.

It's the States use of force for compliance is where the danger lies now that Americans can be arbitrarily and easily classified as potential enemy combatants.

The Gubmint telling you fairytales is somewhat benign in comparison. Only the willfully stupid and uneducated are affected by propaganda and there really isn't much you can do for them anyway.

Sad but true.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 20:55 | 2756871 Radical Marijuana
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BOTH are true, in a positive feedback.

Bodies can apply force on other bodies.

AND, brains can influence other brains.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 06:17 | 2755965 peaceful
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Revolt with who? Fat people wearing flip flops? Who's only goal is to drink a beer and watch a show? The controllers in the states got them eating out of their hands. meanwhile in europe we do see a little noise in the streets but nothing nearing a revolt, same in china--so in short the controllers have the thing in check--No?

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 06:40 | 2755973 10mm
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They really should not be wearing flip flops.No support and a gastly sight.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:15 | 2755998 Winston of Oceania
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Only if you wear the cheap ones, mine "could" even be used to open a beer except that the opener is literally on the bottom.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:41 | 2756072 Al Gorerhythm
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Sun, 09/02/2012 - 06:52 | 2755982 BigDuke6
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I'm gonna look at your point which is made a lot here on ZH... the sheep, the couch potato retards....

and i agree... the bulk of dumb fucks just wanna watch the game... but those sort of people have always been that way and they dont matter really.  They have been bought off by handouts and sport that keeps looking sexier and faster.

i think a bigger difference now is the doers and the people of action up the foodchain have been loaded up so much with long hours and more hassles and peer pressure bullshit, that their ability to question and rise up against the enemy is knocked out of them.

People are working bloody hard out there and it ends up being another victory for TPTB.

Thats why you've got to keep the OUTRAGE going!

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:41 | 2756018 peaceful
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Thats why you've got to keep the OUTRAGE going!


Where's the outrage? You still have a Plutocracy/Corporatacracy running the show. Its a lousy 2 party system bought and run by the lobbies. I have the choice of either having my picture taken with an incoherent 82 yr old director, who apparently was more about image rather than substance. Or I can have my picture taken in Lago di Como, with George Clooney and his 7th gf (which he hasn't touched in bed yet) If there was some semblance of intelligence or if there were to be true plurality in this nation you'd already have at least  6 different parties. Face it folks--its game over. People wanna be guided by something, whether its their version of God, Obama, Oprah, the Cowboys or their favorite TV show. They gave up thinking about a generation and a half ago--and you think you jump start it like that?

Get ready for 4 more years of Obama cause the corporatacracy need mommy's hand for 4 more years--After this idiot blows the budget to above $5 Trillion, the same corporatacracy will blame the idiot for higher taxes and that'll set the stage for Clint and his gang to ride into town and save the day (only it'll be way too late)

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:39 | 2756071 Beam Me Up Scotty
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You are dreaming if you think all of our problems lie with the two party system. Most governments in Europe have multiple parties and what has that gotten them???
It still boils down to majority/minority. It's better than the one party system they have in North Korea...

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:54 | 2756083 CH1
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It boils down to a system that harvests everyone's money and delivers it to a ruling elite.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:59 | 2756091 Sofa King Confused
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GOVERNMENT DOES NOT MATTER  The real controllers are above the govt they dont care about dem or rep they control everybody including the govt and don't give a shit if your dem, rep, smart, dumb, soldier, doctor, rich or poor, as long as they own your ass, they care not about all that stupid petty shit.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 10:06 | 2756144 toady
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Rule #1, Don't sweat the small stuff

Rule #2, It's all small stuff.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 10:45 | 2756193 Ralph Spoilsport
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Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:57 | 2756134 peaceful
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you got a faux 2 party system--the plutos got em both in their pocket--


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:14 | 2756045 Pseudolus
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Your home is your castle no more, since you let the enemy in the door. Thats why the men are soaking up the sports beer and porno at home. Their "better half" fuelled by feminism and the power of her pussy has kenneled them so they darent ever step out of line and join the community of men that is a necessary foundation of a functional civilised society

(It was a woman-man hybrid  who said "there is no such thing as society" (Margaret Thatcher, UK PM))


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:35 | 2756114 sunnyside
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Pussy.  Still undefeated.


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 16:03 | 2756587 quartshort
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Naw... shits been conquered. They joined the game and are no longer "innocent".

Mad Men & Little House on the Prairie be scenario of days of old...

I didn't toss you the negative vote, either. Your comment is funny.

We have (supposedly) 4 rights associated w/ private property:

The right to purchase

The right to own

The right to dispose (sell)

The right to exclude

The right to purchase has become encumbered thru the shit ball process involving the host of bloodsuckers we have all come to love.

The right to own has been shifted to impose never ending taxes subject to inspection and confiscation (see exclude below). Some areas around here do not require building permits but don't get much in utility services. Great deal for those with know how. No one will build a mall out here!

The right to dispose, if you can do it yourself, may get you a fair shake. (Otherwise see above- I eat your milkshake)

The right to exclude is a cluster fuck from word go. Exclude this.

Split into two groups:


The moment anyone opens to the public you are subjected to the code. IBC or another, including ADA. All standards met. Inspections galore. You must take the good with the bad. But it is all about $location$, right?


Multi-factor balancing test to determine if your ownership worth is greater than the public good. Well, unless it can be shown that taxes will increase if we put in A SHOPPING MALL.



Sun, 09/02/2012 - 19:53 | 2756814 Cathartes Aura
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you're hilarious dude.

Their "better half" fuelled by feminism and the power of her pussy has kenneled them so they darent ever step out of line and join the community of men that is a necessary foundation of a functional civilised society

you're moaning about something relatively recent in "history" - feminism, or the crazy notion that females are humans too, and have the same rights accorded males (and yes, that's a simple version, and humans currently have no "rights" save those allowed them, currently decreasing daily, etc. etc.)

your fantasy "functional civilised society" is a historical fairy tale, as any read of history will illustrate for you.  and the "men's communities" are waiting for you, where no pussy ever gets used, or blamed.

here's hoping you find one to your liking/standards.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 05:41 | 2757269 BigDuke6
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Sadly the doughball prob wont be back to read ur reply.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 16:46 | 2758599 Pseudolus
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No i read it...but i cant be convinced by a mangina

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:18 | 2756047 Element
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Completely agree BD.  I personally know a married guy with a first child who's doing 72 hours a week every week, and isn't making enough money doing it.

Can you imagine doing 144 hours per fortnight, for a slave income and paying taxes, as opposed to the normal 76 hour a fortnight of the typical public 'servant', who gets paid more, and is thus more highly-valued within the system than my friend who doesn't even get to have a life?

But the public 'servant' (as opposed to sponge) gets sufficient time off, and money, and a viable retirement plan, and stabeeleetee.

But only if they're passive-aggressive and willing to be coopted legislated red-tape makers, and bad policy and bad law enforcers (who endlessly fuck with us and gouge us out further), andare  also compliant enough to work for the govt, to serve under its more dedicated suck-ups and light-weights.

Our system is so desperately wrongly and unjustly ordered.  

And the govt has been continually talking of "merit-based" job allocation, "world's best practice" in industrial relations, and a fair share of remuneration for honest work performed.

Yeah ... rriiiight.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:52 | 2756082 CH1
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Revolt with who? Fat people wearing flip flops? Who's only goal is to drink a beer and watch a show?

I understand your frustration, but we should improve these folks, not just complain about them.

Just keep planting seeds. A few of them will bear fruit.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:43 | 2756126 Winston Churchill
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The original American revolution was not supported by a even

close to a majority of the populace.The doers were a mere 3%

with maybe 10% approval at the outset.

There are those that do,and everyone else.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 13:44 | 2756390 Loose Caboose
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Revolt with who? Fat people wearing flip flops?

Yes!  There's nothing more revolting.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 14:25 | 2756439 Imminent Crucible
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I find myself forced to agree. There is something innately offensive and slovenly about flip-flops. I never wear them myself, because I find them very uncomfortable, but it's not a question of comfort. Flip-flops talk; they say "I don't care what I look like. I don't intend to do any actual work today. I'd prefer to never do any productive work at all. I just want to shuffle-shuffle-shuffle through life because I know I'm not going anywhere and don't give a damn. I am the apotheosis of sloth and apathy."

They're not shoes; you can't even walk normally in the hellish things. They are the sabots of non-saboteurs.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 20:18 | 2756842 shovelhead
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*wears wingtips and socks at the beach*

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:23 | 2758702 Imminent Crucible
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Nah, I skip the socks. I just wear the wingtips with my flowered jams.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 21:06 | 2756875 Radical Marijuana
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REVOLT against a system backed up with weapons of mass destruction?

REVOLT against a global complexity of interlocking ownership, involving gambling with chips that represent 10 times more than what physically exists?

The established systems are way too astronomically amplified for there to be any coherent theory of how to revolt against them!!!

BOTH war AND revolution are equally insane after the development of weapons of mass destruction and mass communication make everything quadrillions of times BIGGER and more COMPLICATED!  Still, those will drive themselves mad, and collapse into chaos, but there still will then be no sane alternatives that make any sense in that context.

Given that it is impossible for people to agree on any sane, scientific theory, the only possible future is to muddle through the hyper-complicated madness.  Revolts will happen, but they will be forced to happen by crazy collapses, and will result in making those collapses happen in even crazier ways!

Since civilization is controlled by triumphant Huge Lies, we are doomed to go through their spectacular boom and bust cycles.  It is possible that the number of human beings on this planet will go through a wild roller coaster ride in the next few centuries, or millenia ...  The population will double once too many time, then collapse to half, then do that again, several more times, until we MAYBE survive to develop social methods to prevent that happening again.  However, for now, we are on the path of least morality, towards astronomically amplified human madnesses.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 06:39 | 2755972 AUD
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That makes money the most important economic good in existence

This is an understatment. Money is very special, it extinguishes all debt. Nothing else can do this. To extinguish all debt, money must have special qualities. Government & central bank obligations have none of these qualities. Government & central bank obligations are junk.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:03 | 2755988 negative rates
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Money is special, until you become a slave to it.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 21:08 | 2756884 Radical Marijuana
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I like the flippant quip that money is like air.

You can take it for granted, as long as you have enough of it.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:45 | 2756022 Papasmurf
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I think you have it backwards.  Money causes all debt.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:04 | 2756039 AUD
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I think you have no idea.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 08:27 | 2757366 HardAssets
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fiat money is debt

federal reserve note

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:03 | 2756037 Pseudolus
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Bravo - so little appreciation that you cant extinguish debt with another debt instrument 

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:28 | 2756061 SafelyGraze
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I owe you ten (10) Debt Instruments for that comment

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 06:50 | 2755976 Colonel Klink
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If you ask me, as with any prison system, there are those whos will cannot and will not be denied.  Some will run for the fence in a vein attempt to escape.  Only to be cut down via those who control.  The smart ones will tunnel under the fence and undertake subversive actions.  Those are the ones which will vex their captors and eventually the war will be won.  Freeing those who stay willingly under the thumb.  One must decide, which are they.

Hogan's heros or a sheeple.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 20:08 | 2756128 Jam Akin
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Seems there are quite a few guarding the camp these days who, like SGT Schultz, know nothink!  nothink!

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 06:49 | 2755979 Vet4RonPaul
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The author provides good insight.  USA has moved from a republic to a socialist state.  Those that allowed the establishment of the Fed in 1913 set the stage and FDR's terms were the tipping point.  Since Ike, the only difference between the Republicans and Democrats is that the former talks about not being Socialist while the latter doesn't even put up much of an arguement; However, both are clearly very Socialist.  The NYC and EU Bankster Bailout Ball of 2008 proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt.


The system now cannot be changed from within, only outside forces (not Republican, not Democrat) can change it.  Unfortunately, only an utter economic collapse will be enough to move the masses and even then it doesn't happen until people are really fed up and the right kind of leadership can convince then that changing is feasible and worth-while.

The majority of the country now depends on the gov white collar welfare scheme; this includes teachers, federal employees, defense contractors, local/state/city employee and contractors, retirees, etc. and their dependents.  They will double dip and rip off the system at the expense of those not who aren't part of the white collar welfare queen.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 06:54 | 2755983 Colonel Klink
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"white collar welfare queen"

Did you have to mention Nancy Piglosi?!?

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:28 | 2756060 Vet4RonPaul
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Nancy Piglosi, Nancy Reagan - both big gov.  Ronny talked tough but acted like a Socialist.  That's why the GOP loved him so much. 

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 13:34 | 2756381 Colonel Klink
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New boss, same as the old boss.  What can I say?

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:07 | 2755989 RECISION
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Am I allowed to add:  TBTF Banks, Pharma, The military/industrial complex, Healthcare/insurance, agriculture/ethanol, Education, automotive industry...

And all the other big business/corporations sucking big time on the govt tit...

is it OK to mention them too??? 

Tell me all about your plans to sort out them first, then get back to me about joe sixpack making do as best he can.


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:24 | 2756054 Vet4RonPaul
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Sorry to offend Mr. Recision.  I didn't realize you were also a white collar welfare queen.  Anyway, yes you may add them and to answer your other question on how I'd deal with them - see Ron Paul's documented plan to cut the budget and drastically reduce the government's role throughout the economy (including the industries you mention).

Now, go back to your six pack and white collar food stamps.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 10:46 | 2756192 moonstears
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This is the irony. Is spending outta control? Sure. Now take a look at your specific vocation, whatever that be, and see if you can connect dots to Govt money. Be amazed at how complex and even often foolish the "Austerity" or "Govt spending has run amok, shut her down" cry is. Get on the highway and take a drive to think this through(noting they were originally funded by Uncle Sam, too).

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 14:32 | 2756449 Anusocracy
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"(N)oting they were originally funded by Uncle Sam" with money taken by force from productive people for roads that may have been built for political rather than market reasons.

You might as well tell the whole truth.


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 21:39 | 2756893 Radical Marijuana
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That is the wrong label to overgeneralize with, Vet-4RonPaul

It is fundamentally PLUTOCRACY.

You seemed to understand that history part way, but then fell off that horse midsteam?

The fascism and socialism are just symbols that the plutocrats use to manipulate people, with their divide and conquer strategy. The privatization of the power to make money out of nothing made the Plutocracy Supreme, and that occurred within the context where the American Money and American Military became amplified many, many orders of magnitude!

The country asserts that it is the supreme robber, and CAN back that up with weapons of mass destruction. Therefore, the socialization of survival is de facto.  We can not go back to independent survival, any more than we can cause the weapons of mass destruction to disappear.

And, four more hours about history of plutocracy:

The Power Principle

Part 1: Empire

Part 2: Propaganda

Part 3: Apocalypse

In Part 1, the segment that impressed me the most was
starts about 1:24, where historian Michael Parenti says
that "fascism" was another tool used by the plutocracy.

Much of politics is the rational use of irrational symbols ...

Socialism is an instrument whereby plutocracy controls.

The same thing also applies to ideas about fascism too!



The organized lies operate the organized robberies,
which in turn keep those organized lies in business!

Refusals to face those fundamental facts
results in false fundamental dichotomies!

Which then delivers the irrational symbols,
that were rationally used to control others!

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 22:15 | 2756949 Vet4RonPaul
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Radical MJ, Thanks for the insight - I'll followup on the link you provided.  Hang tough.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:09 | 2755992 bigwavedave
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"Picture if you will the state of ANY other branch of human endeavour if ALL the knowledge about it gained over the past three centuries had been summarily dismissed."


Churches seems to be doing fine. The future POTUS actually believes the following to be true.


The Book of Mormon is a sacred text of the Latter Day Saint movement that adherents believe contains writings of ancient prophetswho lived on the American continent from approximately 2200 BC to AD 421.[1][2] It was first published in March 1830 by Joseph Smithas The Book of Mormon: An Account Written by the Hand of Mormon upon Plates Taken from the Plates of Nephi.[3]

According to Smith's account, and also according to the book's narrative, the Book of Mormon was originally written in otherwise unknown characters referred to as "reformed Egyptian[4] engraved on golden plates. Smith claimed that the last prophet to contribute to the book, a man named Moroni, buried it in a hill in present-day New York and then returned to earth in 1827 as an angel,[5] revealing the location of the book to Smith and instructing him to translate and disseminate it as evidence of the restoration of Christ's true church in the latter days.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:14 | 2755995 Navymugsy
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You gotta' know how to pony, like a boney Maroni!


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:40 | 2756015 Dr. Sandi
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I've got a gal named Boney Maroni.

She's as skinny as a stick of macaroni.

- Larry Williams (who surely was NOT a Mormon.)

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:24 | 2756106 petolo
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Wrong currency:skinny as a stick of spaghetti.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 18:47 | 2756756 Dr. Sandi
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I don't write 'em, I just sing 'em in the shower.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:22 | 2756053 lakecity55
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I remember reading quite a number of years ago a manuscript by a contemporary preacher of Smith. The story the other padre had written was very close to what became Mormon. The supposition by the article's author was that the two men lived in close proximity to each other, and that it would not have been out of the ordinary for them to have known each other as both were preachers. The conclusion was that Smith plagiarized the other guy's novel and instead turned it into a religion.

There was more to the story, but I cannot remember it.  I have even read where the Mormons have bought manuscripts and hidden them.

All in all, I'd take a Mormon over a Muslim any day.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 12:24 | 2756291 Renewable Life
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Is that the choice now??????

Ya I agree, the book of Mormon is a serious trip, Steve Jobs would have loved it on one of his acid trips!!! Mans best modern attempt at "reinventing" religion!! Although L Ron Hubbard gave them a run for their money (no pun intended) too!! Everyone should check the LDS thing for themselves, considering we are on the brink of electing a Moran president!! I mean Mitty does say its the "cornerstone of his existence and guiding principles of his life"!!!!! I mean the President of the United States has quit a bit of fucking power, it might be good to figure out what this dude believes is going on in the universe!!

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 14:04 | 2756416 takinthehighway
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I seem to recall Mark Twain referring to the Book of Mormon as "chloroform in print"...

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 14:31 | 2756448 gwar5
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Not a Mormon, but I still can't help myself...

Atheist science always stops in mid-19th century with Darwin, which is ironic, because he was the first to say, repeatedly, that evolution and God are not mutually exclusive. Looks like he was right. Turns out dinosaurs are tinker toys.

Evolution is bound by Newtonian Physics, but it's not how things really work at all. That entire world view was completely demolished by 20th century physics.  It has been accepted for several decades now that the past, present, and future all co-exist simultaneously, and co-equally; but are merely separated by our inability to perceive it. There is indeed a vast ocean of invisible, extra-dimensional worlds that continuously surround us.

Which is to say, there may be invisible dinosaurs romping in your bedroom at the same time there are invisible anti-gravity machines from the future flying overhead. Bizarre? Sure, but that is mainstream theoretical physics. This means that somebody/something must have also written the future if a wormhole can simply take us there. Importantly, this also means the universe is not really random at all, it just looks that way because it is so big. Atheism requires a random universe, so that is a huge problem. Physicist at Columbia University: "The universe is not like a quantum machine... it is a quantum machine."

More, everything in the universe is really quantum information, including all the energy and matter. Everything is recorded in minute detail, on the Planck scale, all the way back to the Big Bang singularity. 'Recorded', because quantum waves don't care about space-time, everything co-exists, and nothing is ever lost or destroyed because they are never gone. There is no evidence to suggest that what goes on in our heads is any different, and that is why consciousness is very special from inanimate matter.

Leonard Susskind bested Hawkings on a famous bet, and he posits our universe is really a particle hologram being projected from said quantum information originating "up there somewhere", perhaps the edge of the universe. Holographic Theory says our day to day perception of reality is not even the real reality, that the "real" reality is  probably at the source, where everything co-exists non-corporeally as information. It is as if everything already pre-existed in a singularity before the Big Bang spilled it all out in 4-D space-time format. (Sounding a little Biblical?)

Atheism now hangs on the multi-universe theory and the odds of our universe to occur. No problem, except the calculations are now in and it would take a 1 in 10^500th chance before a universe like ours would ever come along. Said another way, there is only 1 random chance in a number so big that it has 500 zeros. That is a mathematically polite way of saying atheism is officially a faith based system of superstition and mysticism with invisible dinosaurs in the sky.

Quantum Entanglement: "I'm in the Father, the Father is in Me, and I'm in you." 



Sun, 09/02/2012 - 18:49 | 2756759 Dr. Sandi
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Smoke 'em if you've got 'em.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 20:26 | 2756849 Cathartes Aura
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found myself at the end of your post grinning hugely - so well written!  and truth.

It has been accepted for several decades now that the past, present, and future all co-exist simultaneously, and co-equally; but are merely separated by our inability to perceive it.

not linear, layered.  co-existence.  the "past" exists only in memory (or taught to justify current ways of being), the future is only projected thought - the present moment is the only place that "exists" - and yet. . . ha.

. . .everything co-exists, and nothing is ever lost or destroyed because they are never gone. There is no evidence to suggest that what goes on in our heads is any different, and that is why consciousness is very special from inanimate matter.

"All there is, is Consciousness.  Consciousness is All There Is."

                                        ~ Ramesh Balsekar


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 02:28 | 2759467 fiatmasochist
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Great post. A little music to that: Exhalation by Shpongle.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:45 | 2756021 Sean7k
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When will we stop playing to the crowds? 

Money is the most important economic good? Money is a means of exchange- production is the most important economic good. Money is easily neutered- END LEGAL TENDER LAWS. 

Want to neuter a government? END PERSONAL INCOME TAX.

Want to neuter a bank? Maintain the first two.

Every kind of tyranny follows from these two items. You want an income tax- make it a head tax. 

Governments can be designed to deliver an acceptable level of security and the protection of private property. Every other political good should be left to the local community to decide on and provide on a basis of voluntaryism. 

Every article is crying over fascism and tyranny, but every solution requires the thorough education of all the people. This type of expression is intellectually dishonest and more than worthless. You can teach everybody to understand the benefits of the two necessary changes  listed above. There is nothing to join or pay for. One appeals to your sense of greed and the other appeals to your desire for power over your own life.


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 09:00 | 2756093 negative rates
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Times of marijuanna and no money, are better than times of money with no marijuanna.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 14:05 | 2756418 takinthehighway
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+1 for the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers reference!

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 14:46 | 2756468 Anusocracy
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"Governments can be designed to deliver an acceptable level of security and the protection of private property."

The market can provide security and protection of private property. Government is not needed.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 15:56 | 2756576 Sean7k
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Of course it can, but the transition is the hard part. Four thousand years of history tells a story of government or conquering warlords. Political economy has changed over time (thousands of years), but it still retains certain features. 

Social contracts require popular acceptance, meaning most of the population must be willing to entertain the possibilities inherent in that contract. Anarchy in theory, has everything a liberty minded person could want. Coupled with strong private property protections, it is a beauty to behold. 

Unfortunately, to those easily swayed, it is a nightmare of brobdingnagian proportions. 

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:54 | 2756030 Nachdenken
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" The problem has always been with the vast majority who are content to be ruled...."

are we all content then folks ?

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:51 | 2756080 nickt1y
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I am the new 1%. The pissed off, the uncontent ( not incontinent ). I hope that more will join the new 1% so we can .... Be left alone.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 07:56 | 2756032 Element
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I bet you feel like a stranger in a strange land, Bill?

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:17 | 2756052 wandstrasse
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The monetary system is completely blacked out in education. I visited a Bavarian 'Gymnasium' high school and I have a university degree (in business administration!)... but until a few years ago I had absolutely no clue of, or interest in the financial system. The reason is simple: you could easily explain fiat money, central and fractional reserve banking to 10-12 year olds... But then applies the (alleged) quote by Henry Ford - 'If people knew about the monetary system there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning'. Those who make the education curricula know that.

The rest of the blackout is accomplished by disguise. Everything about finance is associated with being boring, not relevant, complicated... a very effective firewall which repels 99% of the rest who might dare to ask ask simple questions..

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:57 | 2756088 CH1
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There is almost no economics program that teaches its student how money is created.

If you know an econ grad, ask them.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 07:31 | 2757303 HardAssets
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You probably already know this, but if you research the "Prussian education system" you'll see how it has influenced 'education' throughout the West. In fact, it isnt a system of education at all, but was designed to produce workers and soldiers for the state. ('the state' is another abstraction which merely means those in power.) At the university level students are taught enough to practice their narrow specialities to keep things running - including the indoctrination of others.

I studied finance and economics up to a graduate level at university in the U.S. and there was very little said about the nature of money and central banking (or its history) to be found there which contrasted with official explanations. Like many of us here, I had to teach myself.

I don't know how it might be in Germany, but in America most teachers are completly unaware of the nature of the cirriculum they teach or its agenda. Private foundations took over and established mandatory education in the early 1900s. These same foundations financed the schools of education from which all this indoctrination has spread. In addition, those students in the various departments of education who are destined to be future teachers . . . tend to be the less accomplished and talented students. I went to a science & engineering orientated university and it was well known that the education students were at the bottom rank in terms of ability. Some are well meaning. Some just want a secure job. But they seem to not question what they are taught.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:31 | 2756064 Element
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The counter-revolution to 'democratic-dictatorship' ramps again.

Hands off Syria! Frankfurt protests against military intervention

Published: 02 September, 2012, 07:55



Thousands swamp Bahrain highway in first legal 'Freedom and Democracy' demo in weeks

Published: 02 September, 2012, 03:09

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:43 | 2756065 hazek
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I do not agree with being ruled by anyone without my contractually arranged explicit consent therefor I refuse to vote and participate in the charade that is the political process and further legitimize the rulers. Even if this doesn't change anything, at least I'm faithful to myself and the core principles I try to live by.


But I'm not without action. I use Bitcoin to regain my financial freedom, and if you're also interested in this fight, feel free to learn about it:

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 13:54 | 2756404 All Out Of Bubblegum
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75% of the old farts on this board won't put the time into understanding bitcoin. I'm in the 25% of the old farts that have put the time into it.

Bitcoin is going to spring on the world like the web did but become even more entrenched in peoples' lives. It's the ability to seize our property back from those, the Banksters, who stole it.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 14:55 | 2756485 hazek
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You should give yourself more credit because I'm surprised you'd think that many would take the time to try and understand it.. :D Kudos though for taking the time and having the intellect to be able to understand it and make what I believe is an accurate prediction. ;)

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 15:08 | 2756499 All Out Of Bubblegum
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The genius of the bitcoin protocol is its built-in liquidity based on one human constant: greed.

When bitcoin's price drops, people buy. Whe it hits some unspoken peak, people sell. With every trough, a few more people buy in. At every peak, a few less people sell off. This will continue until a critical mass is reached and the bitcoin economy achieves breakaway velocity. 

At that point, all of the people poo-pooing bitcoin (like all the people that spent much of the 1990's poo-pooing the web) will all of the sudden become its biggest proponents.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 15:31 | 2756542 jwoop66
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I watched 1:40 ish of the video.  I don't know if more time is needed or not.   I see the only way a transaction can be reversed is if the receiver returns it.   I see it is all digital.  How much more do I need to learn?  

It would make a great worldwide currency though!     Maybe our social security numbers could be our account numbers... Maybe we could have them tatooed eventually, on our bodies.   That way TPTB would ensure that we "little people" don't have to worry about keeping track of things like plastic cards or anything.  

You a troll,  bubbles?

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 16:01 | 2756582 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Bitcoin is a network protocol, like http (web) or smtp (email). Unlike the other network protocols that later became monetized, bitcoin was designed to be a monetized protocol. 

The history of stable, useful network protocols shows that once they take hold, they tend to grow. Bitcoin is no different. In the 1990's and early 2000's, the people that made money on the web and email protocols were the ones that educated themselves about how they worked. Bitcoin is no different. 

I'm a troll only if one's faith in the dollar is greater than one's faith in building mutual trust in markets.


Sun, 09/02/2012 - 17:05 | 2756651 hazek
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You can have as many wallets for bitcoins as you want and if you're careful and have the know-how you don't even have to associate your identity with them in order to use them or else this wouldn't be possible:


So I strongly believe your fear of this protocol being used against us is unfounded. But you shouldn't take my word for it, investigate and research, spend more than a minute and a half learning about something that could potentially change the world. ;)

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 18:56 | 2756764 Dr. Sandi
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Bitcoin intrugues me. But it still feels a lot more hackable than my secret stash of PM.

However, I am curiously watching, and waiting to see if it can fly when there's more ammo in the financial sky.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:33 | 2756066 max2205
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Forget debt serfs, worse, we will be tax serfs

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 08:51 | 2756081 AnAnonymous
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most people have accepted government as their masters.


Well, it means that the 'american' project of governing with the consent of the governed has worked...

Clumsy admission when one thinks that the middle class enjoys pouring responsibility for wars the middle class wants on the upper class...

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 14:02 | 2756410 akak
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... and the ZeroHedge roadside is once again littered with the bigoted, hypocritical, anti-intellectual defecation of AnAnnoyingMouse.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 14:40 | 2756461 Ghordius
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-1 democracy still better than all the other options, buddy

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 15:02 | 2756490 Anusocracy
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Only in the minds of government lovers.

The democratic nations of the world are now tops in killing, destroying, and stealing.

That makes democracy number one, huh?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 08:25 | 2757360 AnAnonymous
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-1 democracy still better than all the other options, buddy

For 'Americans', it is all situational: people on the good side of 'Americanism' have no issue proclaiming 'Americanism' the best thing ever.

Maybe, people on the wrong side know that 'Americanism' is indeed the best thing for 'Americans' but they also probably know that Nazism is the best thing for Nazis, theocracy for the theocrats, feudalism for the feudals etc...

Which gives them a more honest insight on the situation than the 'American' take that 'Americanism' is still betterthan the other options...

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