The Rulers And The Ruled

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From Bill Buckler, author of The Privateer

The Rulers And The Ruled

The truth that without property rights, no other rights are possible has been known for millennia. In the formalised study of politics, it is more than 300 years old, having been articulated with great care by John Locke in the late 17th century. The modern study of economics is well over 200 years old. Adam Smith’s Wealth Of Nations was published in 1776 - the same year as Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration Of Independence. The great work which finally integrated money with politics and economics celebrates its centennial this year. Ludwig von Mises published his Theory Of Money And Credit in 1912 - the year before the US inaugurated an income tax and a central bank. Ten years after that in 1922, von Mises published Socialism - a book which established beyond refutation the fundamental truth that any form of central planning and/or government control of the means of production cannot work because it makes economic calculation impossible. Picture if you will the state of ANY other branch of human endeavour if ALL the knowledge about it gained over the past three centuries had been summarily dismissed.

Property rights are a prerequisite for any kind of exchange - direct or indirect. The ability to exchange is fundamental to any type of viable economic activity. The efficiency of exchange is fundamental to the success of that economic activity and the resultant prosperity of the nation that engages in it. Indirect exchange using a MEDIUM of exchange or money is hugely more efficient than direct exchange or barter. That makes money the most important economic good in existence. The tragedy of our present global plight is the simple fact that money is also the least understood economic good in existence.

The first pre-requisite of the establishment of a “society” of the rulers and the ruled has always been the same. The rulers must gain control over the medium of exchange. For obvious reasons, no nation can ever progress to a state of advanced economic activity until a medium of exchange is established. Once it is established, there is no going back. An advanced economy cannot operate by means of barter. The problem is that once the government or the rulers gain control of money, it progressively ceases to be a medium of exchange and becomes a medium of control. That impinges on the functioning of markets which in turn impinges on the maintenance of property rights. Thus, we come full circle from a free society to a command society. There has never been any shortage of those who want to rule. The problem has always been with the vast majority who are content to be ruled. Today’s global outcry for the manufacturing of more and more “money” out of thin air is an eloquent testimony. It shows that most people have no understanding of freedom, markets or money. Lacking such understanding - and having no desire to gain it - most people have accepted government as their masters.

As Robert Heinlein stated the problem - it is impossible to free a serf or a slave. He or she must free themselves and most are much more terrified of that prospect than they are resentful of being ruled.

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catch edge ghost's picture

Mmm, global outcries.

Q: How much QE does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: More!

Papasmurf's picture

First you have to screw the earners and savers.  Then you can screw the lightbulb.

Precious's picture

Possession is 10/10ths of ownership.

goldfish1's picture
Wells Fargo fires Des Moines worker for 10 cent laundromat incident 49 years ago

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20120827/BUSINESS/120827016/Wel...

lasvegaspersona's picture

very optimistic...they seem to think we will make it to December...ha! how do we even make it past the Spain and Italian bond offerings mid-September?

Nevermore Peabody's picture

You didn't screw in that light bulb. there were a lot of bright folks who had to make and deliver that lightbulb for you.

New_Meat's picture

pssst: it was South St. and Main.

whoopsing's picture

Why do we render to ceasar that which he can conjure himself ?....scratch's head.....

Rollerball's picture

"Ownership" is a false premise.  Nobody owns anything.  Control is forfeiture of choice to self-administrate personal responsibility.  

We are "given" ONLY a place in time through the process of creation and sustenance of choice.  That is all we "own".  

Earth travels @ 900 miles/hour in "her" trip around the sun.  The universe travels @ 1,000,000 miles/day around the milky way galaxy.  So the sun "owns" the earth, the galaxy "owns" the universe, and a black hole "owns" the galaxy?  

And water's two hydrogen molecules "own" its oxygen molecule.  

Insanity's reigns.   

 

Azannoth's picture

A Molecule does not own any of it's atoms or particles it attracts because it's not self aware thus has no concept of anything

Ownership(like many other) abstract concepts materialize out of self awareness, it's a meta relationship acknowledged by a conscious being

@Reductio ad absurdum

Rollerball's picture

Nothing exists outside the perception of intelligence.  Humans are not unique in possession of "self" awareness.  

Intelligence can not be "owned", only accepted.  Therefore, no thing is "owned" (only accepted).  It is illogical (and immoral) to accept "ownership" because it does not exist.  It's a false construct of "intelligence" -- an illusion of, so called, free-will.

I am, therefore I think.

PS:  substitute "adams" for molecules in initial post, thanks:)

Sofa King Confused's picture

There used to be a time when you got Alodial Title to your house and property; which means free and clear from any and all taxes and or liens.  Now when you buy your property, you are labeled as Tenant and that is why now everybody has to pay property taxes.  It never used to be that way, now you only get to use that home but must pay an annual fee.  The real question is, who is the real owner?

Beam Me Up Scotty's picture

Yes even after you pay the mortgage you still rent it from the gubbamint. Problem is, our rulers have convinced us that we NEED to pay taxes. That would be a huge loss of control for them though, if we didn't have to pay property taxes.

krispkritter's picture

Yeah, and they'll go after you any way they can.  

I was contacted by the Supervisor of Elections to verify my 'residency' and I said it's the same address I've used for 10 years, want my DL or a power bill? No. Property Appraiser shows up a couple weeks later and says they have to verify the residence.  Two weeks later my TRIM notice shows up and my taxes shot up 26%. I called to ask why and they said a structure on the property was not on my tax rolls. I said you permitted it 10 years ago, and it's the second 'structure' in the property description. No dice. They call the Building Dept who is claiming I don't have a right to use the structure and will probably try to have me tear it down.

I called the SOE and told them to take my voting right and shove it. Fucking unholy alliance if you ask me...

nmewn's picture

To add insult to injury, they'll probably want you to get a permit to tear it down.

Here's another good one...I went to renew my Florida DL and thanks to former govenor Charlie Crist the cost doubled. On top of that, Tallahassee for some reason needs to have my FEDERAL TAX ID NUMBER...my social security number.

Now, us "old timers" distinctly remember Congress saying that number would never ever be used as an tracking number...a citizen ID number...the Nazi-like, show me jour papers comrade.

Well, they lied, again...I know, big surprise right.

toady's picture

That was one of my grandmothers favorites. A couple times a year she would go on a tirade about how that damn FDR had promised, PROMISED! the SS number wouldn't be used for ID purposes!

And don't get her started on how the income tax was supposed to end when the war ended. Those @#$%%&* PROMISED!

sskid's picture

That income tax was then called the "Victory Tax", This was to be a temporary two year tax supposedly authorized by Article 1 Section 8 clause 12 of the constitution which says that Congress has the power: 

"To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer Term than two years"

 

The Victory Tax was repealed by section 6 of Income Tax Act of 1944, which in amending the I.R.C. includes the states of the union in the terms "certain foreign countries" (section 6 (b)(3)) and "foreign countries and possessions of the United States" (section 6 (b)(4)).  This restored the scope of income taxation to what it had been prior to the Victory Tax, as not including individuals in the states of the union.

 

But because Congress failed to make it generally known that the Victory Tax was no longer in effect, people did not know to discontinue the withholding begun for the Victory Tax.  One was then considered as being a volunteer in paying income tax.

The scope of the I.R.C. never targeted all individuals in the union.  Only for a brief period, and under war powers, were all individuals made subject to taxation of income.  The repeal of the Victory Tax means the scope of what is taxed was restored to its original intent, and individuals in the states of the union do not have to pay taxes on their incomes.  And as the Victory Tax was the only act to have levied any such tax, the scope of taxation has never again expanded to include the whole of The United States of America.

 

tip e. canoe's picture

did you see this nmewn?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSbXJM1qVsU&feature=player_embedded

DHS agent states the STATE OF FLORIDA is Federal Property.

funny how the Iron Fist of Facts is starting to emerge out of the Velvet Glove of Illusion.

nmewn's picture

Yeah, I heard about that...the state of Florida being federal property that is.

I believe Lincoln established the premise, it still doesn't make it right or proper ;-)

toady's picture

You're fucked.

NEVER speak honestly with a government agency. In fact, NEVER speak to a government agency at all. On the phone, "he's not here right now, can I take a message?" Etc. If you must deal with the gov do it through a lawyer. That way, if it gets really ugly, you can bow down and say the lawyer must have misunderstood.

Classic case of "we're from the government and we're here to help". I'd be willing to bet this 'verify residency' scam was pulled on many people in your area.

kayl's picture

There is an acronym for this legal process. In the study guide for the Federal Rules of Evidence:

Outcasts Commit Crimes.

(Anyone who is not part of the Pyramid and not a lawyer/gatekeeper is where the eye cannot see--an outcast.)

To manage your self-interests you have to use these three tools:

O = Objection

C = Consent

C = Claim

If you consent to give people information, you have consented that they use the information for their own purposes.

Take this lesson as a positive incentive to learn the UCC and manage your own commercial affairs.

 

 

 

 

 

roadhazard's picture

I have several out buildings on my property. The County Tax Assessor came by the first time since 1980 a few years ago. They doubled my property taxes because of the extra buildings I built without a permit. They would rather have the tax money than make me take them down.

 

If they were ever to take my property because I could not pay the taxes I would scorch the earth on this five acres before I left.

cherokeepilot's picture

My wife and I have had a conversation about this subject (real estate taxes above our ability to pay and county confiscation of our property for failure to pay taxes).  AR15s, Ak47s many gallons of gasoline and matches will be used before they move us.  I built every structure on my land and I'll not leave my land with any structure standing on it unless it is by my choice. 

I consider it rather ironic that my great grandfather had his land taken by the government and given to someone else and now there is a possibility that the process could be experienced by me.

Miffed Microbiologist's picture

My husband & I erroneously built my 200 square foot tack room thinking that size and below didn't require a permit in CA. Unfortunately, we found out later it was 150 sq. feet or less. We didn't worry about it until we put our solar in and had to have it inspected by the county. The solar contractor asked us if we had any unpermitted structures and we told him about the tack room. He warned us it was highly likely once you get these county inspectors on your property they would go fishing for fines. I panicked and thought we should dismantle it. Mr miffed is more cagey than I and came up with a better idea. When I came home from work the next day my tack room had disappeared. In it's place was four tons of alfalfa hay covered with a tarp. Only inconvenience was not being able to ride for a few weeks until the inspection was done...angry men are great at achieving a goal but sometimes overlook other things! :-)

Miffed:-)

lesterbegood's picture

My information is that the international bankers own North America. In 1933 the USA declared bankruptsy (Emergency Banking Act of 1933). FDR issued some executive orders; bank holiday, gold confiscation, etc. US citizens/persons were declared 'enemy combatants' with respect to the federal corporation when Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917 was amended in 1933. House Joint Resolution 192 of 1933 declared that all US citizen/persons and their property now belong to the state.

Abitdodgie's picture

The BLM hold title to your property, you can update the title to yourself if you live outside a Corperation. The BLM is in turn owned by yes you got it, The Queen of England

Sofa King Confused's picture

How can you live outside the corporation.  Admiralty or Maritime Law no longer works for us because we are given a social security number at birth which makes each of us a corporation to tax at will.  Citizen income taxes are illegal, but, by using the SS # we can be taxed as a corporation.  Since the adoption of the British style Common Law, which rules the land now, and us individually being seen as corporations we have no way to claim Alodial Title.

lesterbegood's picture

My info is the 'laws' 14th Amendment US citizens/persons live under is the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC). In 1938 the US SUPREME COURT replaced common law with commercial law (Erie vs Thomkins). In my opinion as a layman, UCC is essentially law merchant with a little admiralty thrown in - British copywrited law, as it were.

As for birth registration, my info is that when Mama signed the contract titled Certificate of Live Birth (CLB) she signed over baby to the state. The baby's name is printed in upper and lower case letters (John Dumb Doe). The STATE OF ... take the CLB, microfilms it, and issues a CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH, whereas the Name of the baby is changed to all upper-case letters (JOHN DUMB DOE). In law, names of dead fictional corporate entities are in ALL CAPS, to distinguish them from living sentient beings whose names are in upper-lower case.

Legally speaking, it appears that the STATE OF... being a dead fictional entity itself, deceitfully turns living human beings into dead fictional entities so that it can control them? This process is called mortmain; French for 'dead hand'.

Sofa King Confused's picture

The 14th admendment was passed in 1868 and was mostly about making it legal to give citizenship to blacks and the due process clause

The UCC was created in 1952 to create a standard for trade, and monetary transactions between the states.  The UCC was written by lawyers at the time and States slowly started to adopt it.  Louisiana is the only state that has not adopted Article 2 of the UCC and still uses Civil Law concerning trade and sale of goods.

 

I think what you are refering to has more to do with the Federal Reserve Act and The Sixteenth Admendment both of which were created in 1913.

GeoffreyT's picture

The fact that the State does not permit we serfs to actually own real property, is one of the biggest 'secrets that are out in the open'. For the longest time, I thought it was just one of those internet 'urban legends', but then I watched a talk at Christ Church, Oxford that was given by Prof Terence Kealey (Vice Chancellor of Buckingham University - a for-profit private university) in which Prof Kealey also made it ABUNDANTLY clear that this is the case.

 

It's on YouTube - here http://youtu.be/C_PVI6V6o-4 - it's a long talk, and Prof Kealey only gets to the property issue later in the piece (I can't be arsed extracting the exact point in the talk - the whole thing is well worth watching).

 

So anyhow - having thus had my interest piqued (again), I asked The Lovely what she thought of his argument. Off she went into the arcane world of legal research, and back came the answer: yep - he's right, and the more you think about it, the righter he is.

 

I've always taken a dim view of dummies who talk about "our house"  (or "our car") when the asset is 90% owned by a bank who retains good title until the last payment... but the issue of forcible alienability ("eminent domain" etc) takes the issue of home 'ownership' to a whole new level of what-the-fuck.

 

Once we accept that the political-parasite class (and its camp-followers) view us with contempt and see us as little more that livestock, those of us who care to kick at the traces can make plans to get the tax-eating vermin off our backs and out of our pockets. As Chesterton wrote in the final stanzas of "The Secret People" (my favourite non-Catullus poem apart from "Byron's Ode to Boatswain"):

 

They have given us into the hands of the new unhappy lords,

Lords without anger and honour, who dare not carry their swords.

They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;

They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.

And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,

Their doors are shut in the evenings; and they know no songs.

We hear men speaking for us of new laws strong and sweet,

Yet is there no man speaketh as we speak in the street.

It may be we shall rise the last as Frenchmen rose the first,

Our wrath come after Russia's wrath and our wrath be the worst.

It may be we are meant to mark with our riot and our rest

God's scorn for all men governing. It may be beer is best.

But we are the people of England; and we have not spoken yet.

Smile at us, pay us, pass us. But do not quite forget.

Our wrath be like Russia's wrath, and our wrath be the worst... chance would be a fine thing.

gwiss's picture

You are misunderstanding the conception of ownership.  I would be curious to hear your definition of "ownership", because I think you are attempting to impute properties from it that are impossible.

I don't agree that intelligence is the basis for all existence, and that without intelligence existence ceases.  This is a typical human arrogant and self centered conception of the world.  We are very small ants in a very large world that is immensely more complicated than we can possible imagine, and it would be foolish to presume that the fractal stops with us at the top.  When we cease to exist, the world continues to go on without a hiccup.  We need to get over ourselves.

What does exist in the world outside our heads is matter, which exists in limited supply.  This creates a problem, for we are all dependent on matter, and there is only so much to go around.  Thus, the question is, how are we going to approach this problem of limited supply?  Nature's solution is to let the strong take from the weak and let the weak die.  This produces a very rubust, dynamic, and stable system, for it wastes little.  However, the focus of this system is the health of the system itself.  It sacrifices the individual in order to keep the system healthy.  This does not allow for long and complicated and technological answers to problems, because there is not that much free time for introspection and the creation of more roundabout means of production in a world in which attack and defense are always on the forefront of everyone's mind.

Humans long ago conceived of a way to stop wasting effort on the escalating arms race of mutual competition, and we call this conception the social contract.  The social contract represents a recognition that all humans possess self awareness and intelligence, and represents an unspoken agreement of mutual non-aggression.  However, how do we then divide out resources in a non-aggressive way, given that they exist in limited supply?  The answer is property rights.  Of course, there are no such thing as property rights outside of human intelligence, for they are a human invention and conception.

Property rights are simply our way of making life into a game, a sport with rules, and in this way making it less deadly.  When both of us respect the others property, then what we are actually doing is demonstrating through our actions that we respect the other person,  and respect their need to use material to survive.  This prevents us from resorting to deadly force in order to get what we need to survive, which allows us to spend much less energy on defense and offense and instead spend much more time on creativity in how to be more efficient with the use of resources.

Of course, there is no  external "rule" that prevents us from discarding this mutually agreed upon social contract, any more than there is an external "rule" that prevents a basketball player from pulling out a taser to stun his opponents in order to score a goal.  But, once this player violates the internal rules of the game, then the game ceases to exist and the "rules" disappear, as all parties recognize that the rules are only useful when all parties agree to respect them, because the rules only exist as a mutual agreement.  Rights too are only conventions of mutually extended respect.  They do not exist outside of human conception.

So, what happens when an individual discards the mutual respect of the social contract?  It dissolves, and human existence devolves back to a state of nature.  This is what war represents.

So, you can denigrate the concept of property rights all you want, but it is the only peaceful way that humans have discovered to co-exist.

Miffed Microbiologist's picture

Thanks gwiss for the well thought out post. Conceptually I think as you but I hadn't distilled it down to the essence of the right of property ownership. I have been really trying to find the essential core of our societal degradation, lots of theories bantered around here...good ones too but not pivotal. It applies historically as well. Using history as a guide, it appears the restoration of property rights seems to always be violent. I can think of a case were it has not. Perhaps, hopefully, I'm just a poor student of history.

Miffed:-)

cherokeepilot's picture

I really admire people like you who can clearly explain the value of a concept such as "property rigths".  Thank you for your post.

Amagnonx's picture

Ok - you sure are full of it.  You spout out stuff trying to look like a philosopher, but you don't even understand what you just said.

 

If things cannot be owned, then you don't own your brain, which may infer that someone else owns it - or seemingly more likely, that its currently vacant.

 

"Nothing exsists outside the perception of intelligence."  Psuedo intellectual claptrap like this really offends me - you try to sound like you are saying something meaningful, but on immediate observation is .. well, claptrap.

 

The 'perception of intelligence' is a phrase that seems to contain information, but patently doesn't.  It needs clarification if it is going to be the basis of some sort of ongoing rant.  Taking a purely literal interpretation, I could analyze the meaning as follows; "If we don't apprehend it with our minds, it doesn't exist."  This tends to automatically restrict the existence of things to our own personal experience and knowledge - in other words, if I can't see it - it didn't happen.

 

Good luck with that theory when a bus hits you in the back.

jwoop66's picture

He/she probably has a masters or doctorate in world studies or something like it.

HardAssets's picture

There is some truth in what you say . . . but at this 'place' and 'time' we are organized in patterns of matter/energy that we consider as ourselves . . . John, Joe, Mary, etc. These patterns exist though the atoms making up our bodies change as they are recycled with the surrounding universe. This is 'the game' we choose to play.

In order for mortal human beings to live, we must use the fruits of nature that are provided us - - and combine our labor with it. We need this in order to exist. But if we don't control the product of our labor - - we have no real control over our own lives. There is no value in working, if what one produces can be taken from them on a whim, and thus, their ability to survive.

Locke wrote of the importance of property rights and personal liberty over 300 years ago. It would be good to study his work and "Cato's Letters" which were read by the American founders during the Revolution.

Anusocracy's picture

Like the rest of your post, your rotational speed of earth is bullshit.

Earth's speed is about 65,000 mph.

And I don't even know what to say about "The universe travels @ 1,000,000 miles/day around the milky way galaxy".

Please go back to your hunter-gatherer tribe.

Sofa King Confused's picture

24,900 miles is the circumference of the earth. So, by traditional education, the earth would spin approx 1000 miles per hour.  How so then would a flight from the east coast to london be the same amount of time as from london to the east coast? Technically, if the earth spins at 1000 mph and a typical plane flies between 550-600 mph, one would never be able to reach their destination in one of the leg of the flight due to the fact the earth is moving at 400+ mph faster. 

I know everybody says because gravity keeps our atmosphere in check pulling it around at the same rate as the  world spins which sounds quite logical.  So lets say, if you are in a room with  zero gravity and a vacuum environment here on earth, you should be forced against the wall with the pressure of 1000 mph force from the spinning of the earth right!

Wrong...Check out  the NASA Zero Gravity Research Facility

 

HardAssets's picture

Actually hunter-gatherers are very practical people without time for b.s. (They must be that way to survive.)  I suspect they would throw this guy out or use him to bait a trap.

Radical Marijuana's picture

The number of negative votes regarding that post  by Rollerball demonstrates the degree to which people who comment on ZeroHedge like to indulge in the delusions that "private property" ever actually meant anything but lies, backed by violence.  It DOES mean that!

There is ONE energy flowing, according to its own laws and general systems evolution. That one energy flowing IS the medium of exchange. Any and all meaningful language subtracts parts from that Whole, and then partially reassembles them inside systems of understanding.

Money is based on robbery, backed by murder. There is no other way that can exist. All of the false fundamental dichotomies regarding "good" money versus "bad" money miss that fundamental point, that there were never any such absolute dichotomies, only relative separations.

Money is primarily a symbol of coercion, that can become a means of cooperation, given enough evolution of the balancing of the rates of social robberies. There is no fundamental dichotomy between ruler and ruled. There is no fundamental dichotomy between object and subject.  None of that makes sufficient sense in postmodernizing science, that is liberated to become consistent with the ancient mysticism out of which it emerged.

The problem with having atomic energy, and genetic engineering, etc., is that those ideas were based on discovering basic unitary mechanisms. I.e., all one energy, and all one language, which then enable technologies based upon that to become billions and trillions of times more powerful, because those were based on better understandings.

We have NOTHING remotely like that in human ecology and political economy, since those disciplines are self-referential triumphs of lies about themselves, in order to become relatively successful.  We have established elites, who are the best at deceits, able to deny what they are actually doing, while their controlled opposition reveals a little of that reality, but then collapses back to the same old idealized bullshit regarding what we should do instead.

REALITY IS ALWAYS ORGANIZED LIES OPERATING ORGANIZED ROBBERY.

There can be no "realities" other than that!  Money must necessarily fit into that, and it always did and does, and will continue doing so.  However, the profound paradoxes play through, that those who were the best at organizing their lies, in order to organize their robbery, become the relative rulers.  The ruled were indeed brainwashed to believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories.  Thus, we have this endless merry-go-round of tedious propaganda wars between different systems of organized lies.

P.S.

I kind of liked the comments in some other articles where AKAK asserted membership  in the cult of Radical Definitionism Extremists,  Clearly, I am asserting something analogous.  I am saying this:

THE FUNDAMENTAL PROCESS IS ALWAYS SUBTRACTION, AND ROBBERY NECESSARILY FOLLOWS FROM THAT.

Those are the ONLY ways that human sciences can be made consistent with sciences such as physics and biology, and so forth.  That realization necessarily has a similar effect upon human sciences the way that not believing the Earth was the center of the universe changed astronomy.  It was like understanding that there are infinite domains of subconsciousness, and supraconscious, surrounding and interpenetrating all human psychology.  Applying science to ourselves totally blows away all of the bullies' bullshit social stories, including blows away their controlled opposition, made of various reactionary revolutionaries who want their solutions to still be based on the old impossible ideals, and false fundamental dichotomies.

It reminds me of how there were two very different kinds of Marxism, in which the second emerged out of the first, by devouring and destroying it. The first kind of Marxism was scientific, the second was Messianic. The first was a good analysis of history, the second was more bullshit solutions, more similar to Catholicism in deeper structure, than still scientific.

If we have a scientific view of human beings, then the analysis of history will always necessarily reveal organized systems of lies and robbery, and any changes will be changes to transform those into different systems of organized lies and robbery.

Understanding money is part of that process. I expect that most of the people who read Zero Hedge do not want to go through that process. They want to still believe that somehow private property does not depend on lies and violence.  They want to still believe that somehow it is possible to have good, or better, money, which is not going to based upon organized lies operating organized robbery.

Sorry Folks, that ain't going to happen.  The only "good" solutions are for more of the ruled to become rulers, by them also understanding better that they are already inside of systems of organized lies operating robberies.  Higher consciousness through a greater use of information is possible. However, money systems are ALWAYS going to be fundametnally based on murder systems.  ONLY better death controls can make better debt controls. All of that requires more spiritual understanding of the processes of subtraction. The subtraction is never absolute, and therefore, the processes of robbery are never over ...

"Property rights" are NEVER anything more than dynamic equilibria between the different systems of organized lies operating robberies.

HardAssets's picture

Wrong.

There are two ways for human beings to obtain the things they need to live - - to produce them (including trading with others for the items they have produced) or to take them from others.

The best way to expand material abundance for humanity is through production - the source of all wealth. Predatory societies that do not produce will eventually fall. A world made up of such societies is doomed.

Money is a human invention - it is the generally valued good which can be used as a medium of exchange. (The shoemaker doesn't need to have a desire for eggs in order to sell his shoes to a farmer. Commodity money serves as an intermediate good that he can exchange for something he wants later.)

It is only in voluntary free exchange between free individuals that humanity stands a chance of surviving and of advancing. Tyranny and theft are common in history, but not inevitable.

If we did not have this possibility - - - than it comes down to "Right Makes Right", "Rule of the Jungle". That will only bring eventual annihilation.  But, this is not the way that the vast majority of human beings live their lives today.

Radical Marijuana's picture

"Productions" are robberies from nature, based on ancient human lies. We kill other living things, in order to consume them. We transform the natural world.  Your notions of production are ancient human notions, self-justifying, without understanding or admitting that.  That is why your dichotomy between production and predation is impossible to reconcile with systematic understandings of physics or biology ... You are presuming that human beings are already special. You are presuming a kind of basic Biblical taken for grantedness that all of nature was provided to humans, for them to have dominion over, and to transform "productively."  When we do that, we wipe out many other life forms, that were doing their own "productive thing."  Generally, throughout North America, there is less than 10% of the life that used to be here, while vastly more human activities.  In the oceans it is similar, although worse.  Our ideas about production are actually predation that we have rationalized to be perfectly O.K.!  Since us humans agree among ourselves that domesticating and destroying other animals and plants is being "productive," there is no rational overall debate of the energy flows in the greater ecologies.  We approach everything with a profoundly fraudulent financial accounting system. We measure everything according to our own short-term values. Human arrogance makes integrating human and industrial ecology with the natural ecology practically impossible. The runaway triumph of our own bullshit about ourselves dominates our attitudes and activities towards everything else! It is impossible for Neolithic civilization to have any longer term survival, since it is so awesomely arrogant about the natural systems which it expropriated, while otherwise taking completely for granted. To survive longer, we would have to revolve back to being more like the natural world evolved to be, over its own longer term.  We are basically destroying the operating systems of Spaceship Earth, because we are controlled by the triumph of our own lies. The most violent and dishonest amongst us control what we do, by being able to totally lie about that to themselves, and everyone else. Indeed, the big bullies of Neolothic civilization have perfected an awesome arrogance, that almost everyone now takes for granted as the most successful and best way to live! We enshrine a whole bunch of false fundamental dichotomies regarding good and evil, such as production versus predation or parasitism, when all of those should be regarded as unitary mechanisms that blend into each other, and are inter-convertible. ... Of course, I expect we will only learn those lessons in the worst possible ways, since natural selection is the only back-up system to the artificial selection that we should be doing first, better. Intelligence was the internalization of natural selection. That process has barely begun, and so far, our established systems are paradoxically based on deliberately denying that as much as they can, and therefore, we accomplish everything we need to do through the maximum possible deceits and hypocrisies ... while almost all of us agree that is a good thing, and that thinking any other way would be bad. WELCOME TO THE BIZARRO MIRROR WORLD. Pretty well everything is as backwards as it could possibly be, especially the way we think!

HardAssets's picture

"Productions are robberies from nature."

Do other college kids fall for your long winded Marxist tinged rants ?

Dropping in every term youve read from the library doesnt make for a sound argument - or impress anyone worth impressing.

Radical Marijuana's picture

I do NOT consider myself a Marxist. I am ONLY "Marxist" to the degree that I regard some of Marx's work as having been actually scientific, at least during the time that he was writing.  I most certainly do NOT regard the Communist Manifesto as being scientific, but just another bunch of bullshit spouted by alternative bullies.  I do consider myself a kind of political scientist, attempting creative syntheses of everything I have learned.

My main preoccupation was first the murder system, i.e. the insanity of atomic bombs used to back up established systems of civilization.  That led me to the money system, as what paid for that insanity.  From there I got involved in politics in Canada, I have had two court cases against the government over the laws that control the funding of politics ... and I may now be headed to my third.

http://www.marijuanaparty.ca/article.php3?id_article=413

I wonder who you consider worth impressing?

However, I do not think it matters.  These days I am about 100% objectively depressed that there will be economic collapse, world war, and matrial law.  There is nothing I could say which will stop that from happening. I just pass the time and amuse myself with attempts to understand the reality of the money and murder systems.  ... However, I do not command a gang of organized killers to back me up. I just point out the runaway insanities of the systems in which those who were the best at being dishonest in the past DO command gangs of organized killers, with weapons that are billions and trillions of times bigger than anything that ever existed before in known human history.

Amagnonx's picture

Awesome observation, and funny as hell.  The answer to the rhetorical question is .. because it doesn't have any value until we have worked for it - and we can only pay tax after work - therefore proof of the conjurors value.

Gringo Viejo's picture

Robert Heinlein also said....."An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

RECISION's picture

Nice theory, unfortunately people are demonstrably stupid whatever the circumstances.  In another universe you might have good manners, on this planet you'd just get the shootout at the OK Corral.  (or the shoot out at Fifth Avenue)