Russ Certo: "The Fed Just Basically Announced Recession"

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Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:04 | 1543663 augie
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I need to buy stock in anti-acids. 

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:08 | 1543680 Cleanclog
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Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:13 | 1543713 Popo
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Stupid pills.


I need some to understand this post.   The Fed priced in a depression,   offered zero stimulus except some jawboning...  and the OP says the trade is to be long equities.


Yeah... better pass me the stupid pills.  I'm still not seeing it.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:39 | 1543848 Dr. Porkchop
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I think the gist of it is that bonds will be paying shit, forcing people into equities.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:56 | 1543937 SheepDog-One
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Thats saying you have only 2 choices, bonds, or stocks. Ridiculous.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 19:10 | 1544496 Thomas
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That's especially true when grandma really doesn't have a choice. They are not forcing grandma to take a risk. They are forcing her to bend over and suffer Death by Bongo. Those fucking assholes. Normally I try to keep it tame, but I would put the Fed in front of a firing squad if I had my say. Send Bernanke back to Princeton. Those goddamned wankers at Princeton deserve him anyway. (They just stole a couple of my colleagues with their ill-gotten gains in their endowment. I am still pissed at them for that.)

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 19:12 | 1544504 Thomas
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Just in case we forget, the Steinhardt blast is a classic...

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 17:09 | 1543995 SheepDog-One
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Big bottles of stupid pills needed to 'understand' at all whats going on now. I guess the logic is 'Just get in there and buy stocks left and right'...see my primitive brain just doesnt get that.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 17:23 | 1544057 kito
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@popo  --have to give you a a click of the imaginary up arrow button that no longer exists on zh.

so now, no QE has the same effect as QE, which is to raise equities, which we should all be in. 

why do i belong to this site again?

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 18:07 | 1544240 taraxias
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huge hat tip

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 20:45 | 1544763 Boop
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I think Tyler just likes to merely entertain us sometimes.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:05 | 1543667 ads56
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idiot website costs me thousands today you fear mongering bastards

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:09 | 1543685 MajorityRules.
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bahahaha man, thats exactly whats going on here. and then the last post is BUY STOCKS...

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:37 | 1543833 SheepDog-One
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Buy stocks, nevermind the dollar is in its death throes. As long as markets close 'green' thats all that matters.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 18:04 | 1544227 warchopper
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The time to go short isn't when it's time to go short. 


when are the muni downgrades coming? can't be too far away from more cities going bankrupt.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:11 | 1543687 dwdollar
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Bear markets have some of the highest percentage gain rallies.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:09 | 1543691 MajorityRules.
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sry about the thousands btw man.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:10 | 1543694 Derpin USA
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You mad, brah?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 04:08 | 1545400 ZeroPower
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le mad

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:10 | 1543695 homersimpson
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Obviously you didn't complain when you shorted yesterday, right?

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:12 | 1543705 SMG
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You should be afraid, the global economy is on the verge of collapse.   Exact date and time is unknown by us peons, but you can be sure it's going to happen.  So the Plunge Protection Team juiced the market today, that is not the fault of this site.   You should be angry at the Oligarchs who pull the strings of the world financial system these days.  They are the ones who engineered the phony rally we had today.  If you really want a better world help overthrow them and stop blaming this site.

You get more truth at this Zero Hedge than any other website in the whole world. This site is awesome.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:15 | 1543720 trav7777
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the REAL economy is NOT on the verge of collapse.  The financial economy IS.  And they are holding everyone else by the nuts.

There is no reason your car won't run if the dollar vaporizes tomorrow.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:18 | 1543732 Derpin USA
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Because the real economy doesn't use the dollar as a means of exchange and its disappearance wouldn't herald a complete grinding halt to economic activity.

You trollin, brah?

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:28 | 1543794 Smiddywesson
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Maybe it's because people have a lot of cash laying around and won't go hungry when the ATMs stop working, eh Trav?

Or employees won't show up when they go unpaid?

Or shelves will go empty in 3 days when trucks don't run.

The real economy runs on trust.  If you go down to your local Walmart and just explain that you really do have money, the manager will extend you credit, just like the local store owners did during the Depression, right?

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:42 | 1543873 Spitzer
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Trav is right.

The millionaires and billionaires will sterilize their savings by buying gold and assets with minimal currency risk, not by emptying store shelves.

The peasants might get a one day bank holiday to straighten a few things out but otherwise it might not be as bad as you think.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 17:07 | 1543989 Ahmeexnal
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Who needs the USD?

Or the GBP for that matter.

Just look at the large number of flat screen TVs and other numerous items that people aquired the past 3 days in Londonistan and other cities in the UK. 

No fiat money involved in those transactions.  Pure old fashioned barter. 

That monetary system will soon begin in pretty much...the whole world.


Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:57 | 1543942 BeetJuice
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No, Trav is right.

The Bank holiday? At that time the banks did close, and people went to the movies paying in script.

The government would of course nationalize the trucking companies and sent out the military to deliver foodstuffs.

In short, yes, capitalism would break down, but capitalism is in the end a political, social system, a human institution that will be quickly replaced when it fails to serve its purposes any more.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 21:46 | 1544926 Bicycle Repairman
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So capitalism and markets become a thing of the past and the USA enters its Soviet phase?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:46 | 1547783 gangland
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us (US as in us) enters human phase ...the naive hope

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:29 | 1543799 MachoMan
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If the dollar died (and I think it will be a quick death...  not that it won't take a long time to get there, but when we do...), then I would expect, at the very least a short to medium term massive increase in price volatility, supply shortgages, and a shaking out of non-productive jobs (with a smaller decline in "productive" jobs).  Grind to a halt, I don't know, but certainly not anything pleasant (hence why we can willingly kick the can).  Between the two sides, I'd say yours was closer...

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 17:09 | 1543993 Ahmeexnal
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When the dollar dies, everyone and their dead grandpa will celebrate by going out on a shopping spree like the Londoners have been doing for the last 4 days.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 17:39 | 1544119 kito
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derpin youve been here a handful of weeks, travs been here almost two years, whos the one that might be trollin?

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:33 | 1543819 Smiddywesson
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I'd be interested to hear your notion of the real economy Trav.  Is it all the people who were working in housing realted jobs, all the contractors and sales people and loan originators, is that the real economy because they lost their jobs.

Is it the 85% of new college grads living in mom's basement?

Is it the millions of people in jail?  The two million in the military?  The gazillion working for the USG?

How about all the people on pensions or disability, are they going to keep the economy humming along when the dollar collapses?

Where is the economy that won't be affected by the collapse of the USD? Because I don't see much of an economy before that collapse.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:41 | 1543863 Dick Fitz
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True, Trav, to a point. If the dollar collapsed the homes wouldn't be destroyed, the roads wouldn't fall apart overnight, and the food in your pantry would spoil, and the gas at the station would still be in the tanks.

But, getting more food/gas/electricity would require a FAST adoption of some form of currency. Gold would be the natural choice, but that would mean millions of citizens would be flat broke. Millions would be out of jobs.

Who is going to buy clothes, or eat in restaurants, or do anything that requires discretionary spending when there is chaos and uncertainty?

A full reset/breakdown of the fiat system is necessary, but it won't be pretty!

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:52 | 1543902 Smiddywesson
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But, getting more food/gas/electricity would require a FAST adoption of some form of currency. Gold would be the natural choice, but that would mean millions of citizens would be flat broke.

Ding!!! We have a winner, and Dick gets the prize.  Yes indeedy, when we switch to the new currency "backed" by gold, which two entitites hold all the gold and will become solvent?  The big banks and the soverign governments who impoverished themselves bailing them out.  they even bailed foreign banks out, because everyone in the club benefits from this scam.

They don't have to tax you to ruin you.  They are not stacking gold, under the most harsh financial conditions, out of a sense of fear or tradition.  The new gold standard will be a massive stealth tax scam where the value of their gold goes up exponentially, which is just another way of saying the value of everything else goes down (hence, just another form of taxation, like inflating paper was over the last 100 years.)

They are the chief holders of gold, so they will be the chief winners.  Everyone thinks gold is a panacea.  They don't have to seize your IRA, or even the paltry amounts of gold we hold.  Wait until the reality sets in.  All they have to do is manipulate the value of gold up and they have already won. 

This is what I call A Gold Standard To Die For.  All that is staying their hand is they are still keeping prices relatively low and acumulating.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 17:50 | 1544168 kito
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the dollar will have collapsed before most of society knows it. they will wake up and sdrs will be in their accounts. most of the problems occur well before and leading up to the actual collapse. 

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 17:25 | 1544069 theotheri
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Eat shit racist bastard. You fuckhead.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 19:16 | 1544524 Manthong
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"There is no reason your car won't run if the dollar vaporizes tomorrow."

Your car won't run if you don't have a job to make money to pay for repairs or gas.

And you won't be driving far if the mobs are in the street yanking drivers out of their cars and beating them.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 21:43 | 1544915 Bicycle Repairman
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"There is no reason your car won't run if the dollar vaporizes tomorrow."

As long as gas is available and affordable.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:12 | 1543709 d00daa
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hahahahaha you got whipsawed!  don't play with the big boys on fomc day, could you not see this reversal coming??

they're going to pump this suckers rally, ride the bounce into resistance, short, rinse and repeat.  we're just at the start of a bear market in equities, after a 20-25% crash across the board over two weeks.  did you seriously not believe we were going to bounce at some point??

and believe me, they're not done fleecing longs yet either.  just be patient, play the counter-trend rally or if you can't stomach that, wait to short against resistance.  it's that simple, we're getting at least one more big down leg on this sucker.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:13 | 1543711 RobertJ
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Don't blame the site for your poor execution.  Bears make money, Bulls make money, Pigs got slaughtered.  You obviously got piggish on one of the sell offs instead of taking your money and running!

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:22 | 1543756 LFMayor
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They should have never given you ijits money in the first place.  Go Weep.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:22 | 1543758 Things that go bump
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Gimme a break.  Even I knew there was going to be a bounce today.  

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:23 | 1543766 Smiddywesson
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You are kidding, right?

You have three choices:

  1. Stop playing the paper game, move to PMs for the win
  2. Play the paper game, win, but still lose everything when the system crashes.
  3. Lose the paper game and get it over with fast.

Unfortunately, you chose option number 3.  Would you like to play again?  Playing the paper game requires you to perfectly time the trade, and perfectly time the end of the system.  That's not easy.

You know, I give up, it's the web sites fault.  Buy!!!!!!

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:30 | 1543803 El Viejo
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They are not fear mongers they are cynics. (and damn proud of it) Didn't you see Bloomberg screen. (On same screen: Dow up over 400 and: US economy weaker) Maybe you should have read earlier post:

The economy is the dog and the market is the tail.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:38 | 1543838 SheepDog-One
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LOL ads56 you deserve it.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:50 | 1543905 Whatta
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thimk for yourself?

I use zh as my bearcase scenario,  I use cnbc and some other blogs as bullcase scenario...and know between the two cases lies (closer to) the truth.

just sayin...

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 17:38 | 1544122 navy62802
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If you're trying to make quick bucks in this market, you should expect to take a few on the nose. The real money will be made by holding out until the market bottoms. There will be many massive gains and losses on the way to the bottom because investors don't know where to go to find the quick bucks right now ... only the moneymasters do. For an example, go back and look at all of the MASSIVE RECORD SETTING point swings that happened in October 2008. Then realize that the market bottomed out five months later and another 20-25% lower. Early 2009 was where the money was made for us hoi polloi.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 19:13 | 1544511 Thomas
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Grow up. You can't just read the web; you need to think.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 16:05 | 1543670 Eagle Keeper
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Alright, who the hell was doing the buying?!?!?!?

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