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Russia Discloses The Iran Ultimatum: Cooperate Or Be Invaded By Year End
In what can only be seen as raising the rhetoric bar on the timing, scale, and seriousness of the Iran 'situation', Kommersant is reporting that "Tehran has one last chance" as US Secretary of State Clinton asks her Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov to relay the message to Iranian leaders. If this 'last chance' is wasted an attack will happen in months as diplomats noted that the probability of an Israel/US attack on Iran is now a specific 'when' instead of an indefinite 'if'. The sentiment is best summarized by a quote from inside the meeting "The invasion will happen before year’s end. The Israelis are de facto blackmailing Obama. They’ve put him in this interesting position – either he supports the war or loses the support of the Jewish lobby". Russian diplomats, as Russia Today points out, criticized the 'last chance' rhetoric as unprofessional suggesting "those tempted to use military force should restrain themselves - a war will not solve any problems, but create a million new ones."
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in other news the cb's have saved the banks for another day.. gas is going to $5 a gal. but that's ok.. if we have to eat gruel to save the system, so be it.
I have a lot of wind turbines on the hills where I live. I'll use them to power my car.
FUNGIBILITY KICKS ASS!
"a war will not solve any problems, but create a million new ones"
Sadly, this has rarely (never?) stopped anyone from starting one
I sure hope that Barry the Pimp kept the reciept for that Nobel Peace Prize.
....but but but...Iranians pave their roads with baby heads. They are bad.
Not only that, but the 60 planes or so in Iranian air force with some dating to the Vietnam era are a clear and present danger to the Eastern seaboard of the U.S. And don't forget their millions of Sunburn missiles that are targeted to blow up every elementary school in the U.S.
Kommersant is a Russian zionist business newspaper.
Consequently, this is just another zionist newspaper. As for Russians, they are not friends of Iran (like they were not fiends of Qaddafi). Iranian knows this.
America has lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran will be the American Empire end!
I'll believe this attack when I see it.
Well, I did hear Ahmandidajad likes to kick puppies....Now roads paved with baby heads??? WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR?!?!
Nothing to wait
Lets bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb
me too...
all I see is a lot of kosher kunts(and their gentile poodles) waving their little dicks around in the air during their 2 minute (I) hate (Iran) sessions.
all bark and no bite.
Israel bites. Zion is going to use the IranWar to render harmless Iran AND get rid of Obama, replacing him with absolute ZOGstooge Romney. The latter goal suggests that the war will begin c. July-August.
One more time.
The Gulf Confrontation: Conclusions
1. Iran will have a nuclear capability of a dozen weapons within 60 months with the missile and fighter delivery systems required to strike targets in Israel, the GCC states, and regional US military forces.
2. Iran has the naval power (mines, submarines, patrol/missile boats) and shore-based anti-ship missiles to close Gulf oil deliveries and strike Saudi/GCC petroleum facilities.
3. US air and naval power could neutralize Iranian naval power and nuclear production facilities only with a sustained attack campaign of several months duration requiring Saudi and GCC basing support. The Gulf Arab states would support this operation.
4. Iran has significant economic and political internal problems which when compressed by the recent US Congressional sanctions may cause it to implode at some point. Iran will not for any reason forsake its nuclear ambitions.
5. The Israelis lack any credible conventional military power to counter the Iranian nuclear threat. Their forced option would be pre-emptive nuclear strike.
6. There is a significant chance of Iranian miscalculation resulting in major military confrontation in the Gulf in the coming 12 months.
GEN Barry R. McCaffrey, USA (Ret.)
January 2012
Discussions
Loot at items #3 & 6. The USA will need to use Saudi and GCC basing support. This is the time for
· Us to become worried
· Iran to execute a “Perl Harbor #2”
There is no way Obama will start this mess before the elections. He is a POS but he is not an idiot (unless he will be under duress!)
That the same GEN Barry R. McCaffrey, USA (Ret.) that is a member of the CFR, last command of US Southern Command (Central and South America), and was big into co-ordinating international drug (trafficking) control, before becoming the NBC terrorism pundit?
http://www.mccaffreyassociates.com/pages/documents/Long_Bio021511.pdf
Yep. That's the dood. Former 'Drug Czar'. Quite a CV. Roman Catholic, too ... I wonder if he's a Jesuit? Went to school at Daddy Bush's alma mater, Phillips Academy. Got da right credentialz for a bit of war mongering in the Middle East, man!
It gets even better:
Noooooo interest in selling arms to murder brown people ... No way ... Never.
U$A, Fuck Yeah!
http://youtu.be/N2Xh5eN2fXY
Nice NWO propaganda piece!
Perpetuates the myth of 9-11 ... perpetuates the myth that "capitalism" is the cause of the welfare state, restrictive trade practices and crony fascism. All in all, a very emotive piece that bypasses the NWO-bankster takeover and blames it all on "Wall Street" (ie. the evil speculators) and "Corporations" in general (without even touching on the subject of multinationals hiding profits outside US jurisdiction in the NWO's global playground).
In summary: the usual NWO-Marxist drivel.
yup...controlling all sides of an issue is the name of the game, right?
Clear and Present Danger??? So Harrison Ford is going to star in this War???
More like Daniel Baldwin....
i think it really means, 'a war won't solve any problems, but will create a million, billion, trillion new debt notes'
and that's the real point of it all anyway
Didn't Sun Tsu say the element of surprise is of the upmost importance in warfare? Since Hill-Billery is telegraphing her blows by warning them when the bombing will start, then the conspricy theorist in me is thinking Iran's upper leadership might be in on this whole war thing.
Does anybody know if Goldman Sachs donated to Ahmandidajad's campaign fund?
I don't know about that, but Qaddafi donated to Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign.
What a muppet.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113910/Colonel-Gaddafi-gave-Fre...
'Save the system, by crushing the system from within to the point no person would ever trust it again'.....BRILLIANT!
This may or may not be remotely accurate (obvious; I know).
In other words, only a select few know the real goal and end game, and the level of psychops (and stealthops) has reached such a fevered pitch during an American 'election' (alleged) year that one would be a fool to rely on statements allegedly made by politicians or technocrats, whether 'leaked' or stated loudly from the highest Op/Ed piece, regarding that which the future holds to be probable, let alone definitive, relating to the issue of Iran's alleged nuclear program.
Hedge accordingly.
Since over 86% of Americans polled are against another war, my guess is war is imminent.
According to Reuters, most Americans ARE in favour of a war against Iran, despite rising gas prices. So yes, war appears to be imminent:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/13/us-usa-iran-poll-idUSBRE82C19Y...
Misleading post. Qualifiers in that data are 'If Iran were shown to have a nuclear weapon'...well they dont have one even Panetta admits it, so the poll itself is irrelevant.
it is about gold for oil and them not using the petro dollar.
If Iraq was shown to have WMDs...
I think we all know how that turned out
Exactly, Iraq is the prime example of what may constitute "evidence" for the possesion of dangerous weapons... The quality of the accepted "evidence" nowadays that allows a war to trigger is almost as good as the recent collateral standard of the ECB...
They don't have an AW? waul just send over one of ours, leave it where it's easily found, and lets get on with damned war fer chists sake...now let's go go go go....
Think of it like TARP, with more blood and money handed over to evil bastards
They aren't necessarily bastards.
You're right. Some are vicious cunts.
Only 86%? Everyone I asked is against more war...that's 100% in my Main Street poll.
If true, it's not like anyone in the government gives a rip what the American public thinks.
I'm not sure if that's true or not though. Most of the Americans I know, including friends, have pretty much drunk the Kool-Aide, and at least passively support an armed intervention. Just wondering if they'll think the same when WWII-type rationing hits their doorsteps. Oh, and $20 gas at the pump that they can only fill up at once a week. Well, unless you're a government official or a corporate executive.
I don't know why I care. If SHTF, I just head to our rural home, turn on CNN, and make a pot of coffee.
Say what you will about this statement; the truth is out there for all to see. It's called the Bible and it fortells a world war that will kill 1/3 of mankind. I am as hedged as God intended for all of humanity. I suggest all do the same. IMHO.
"Money is the root of all evil" - God
Money is the root of productivity beyond mere substinence. Without money, an economy of indirect exchange cannot emerge. No indirect exchange means no specialization. No specialization means we still live in huts. God is an idiot if he said that.
Yes, now about the moral hazard and what happens when fraud is not fucking prosecuted and the rule of law is not upheld. Regarding the religious "laws" or the "laws" of ivy league eCONomists. The laws of physics and nature really just don't give a shit.
The Rule of Law is and always has been and always will be an impossibility and a fairytale, plan accordingly.
Money is a tool, like an axe.
It's up to the individual if they want to use it for good or evil.
First of all, I think most of us can agree that "god" didn't say anything on the matter. More importantly, however, what you have written is part of a narrative that isn't entirely true. People can (and have in the past) specialized and bartered without the existence of "money". And "money" can take a lot of different forms. Bankers want us to believe it is money that allows us an existence greater than that of subsistence... they also know "allow me to issue the money, and I care not who makes the laws".
But to say "money is the root of productivity beyond mere subsistence"... that is flat out wrong (and borderline offensive).
ok... then the medium of exchange (or money) sorry my vocabulary offended you. religious nutjobs downgrading my shit.
This isn't about semantics. http://ebookee.org/Debt-The-First-5-000-Years_1370470.html - a fantastic book, if you have the time.
Before there was money, there was debt
Every economics textbook says the same thing: Money was invented to replace onerous and complicated barter systems—to relieve ancient people from having to haul their goods to market. The problem with this version of history? There’s not a shred of evidence to support it.
Here anthropologist David Graeber presents a stunning reversal of conventional wisdom. He shows that for more than 5,000 years, since the beginnings of the first agrarian empires, humans have used elaborate credit systems to buy and sell goods—that is, long before the invention of coins or cash. It is in this era, Graeber argues, that we also first encounter a society divided into debtors and creditors.
Graeber shows that arguments about debt and debt forgiveness have been at the center of political debates from Italy to China, as well as sparking innumerable insurrections. He also brilliantly demonstrates that the language of the ancient works of law and religion (words like “guilt,” “sin,” and “redemption”) derive in large part from ancient debates about debt, and shape even our most basic ideas of right and wrong. We are still fighting these battles today without knowing it.
Debt: The First 5,000 Years is a fascinating chronicle of this little known history—as well as how it has defined human history, and what it means for the credit crisis of the present day and the future of our economy.
Read more at http://ebookee.org/Debt-The-First-5-000-Years_1370470.html#jOPwWYky61eFf6p0.99
A sincere question: if there was no unit of account, how was debt measured? Was it totally unprecise? I will not read the book, so its better if you just answer the simple question.
Lots of different ways. One example... weddings are historically one of the more costly "life experiences". In some cultures, a bride, after marriage, would go to the home of the of "nobleman" who funded the wedding. She would serve him until he grew tired and then work of the rest of her debt as a prostitute serving workers who worked for said nobleman. Sometime later she would return to her groom.
However one measures it... debt is a form of bondage. Our current system is more sophisticated, but it is still bondage. Understanding the difference between debt based currency and a hard currency is important. Understanding the nature of money is important. Understanding that the narrative of "money created the opportunity for specialization and societal advancement" is not actually true is important.
An acceptable answer; particularly the bit about debt being bondage. The only qualm I have with your premise is that the Industrial Revolution didn't occur until there was a medium of exchange that offered:
1) unit of account
2) unit of deferred payment
3) store of value
While the privileged classes, your nobleman, certainly enjoyed a life beyond bare subsitenance... the majority of mankind lived in deplorable conditions until the Industrial Revolution. There was no equality under the law (well there isn't really now either...), the notion of a rigid class system has been destroyed in our modern world. Although there will always be attempts to maintain a feudal system (in a more sophisticated manner), all such attempts are throwbacks to a bygone era.
The three things you list trace their history back thousands of years. So why didn't the industrial revolution happen sooner? You are providing credit to something that doesn't deserve credit (at least the lion's share). I'm not a historian of the industrial revolution, so I'm not going to attempt to provide you with the laundry list of things that likely enabled the industrial revolution. And to make sure my position is clear... I'm not arguing against money, per se... I'm merely pointing out the banker spun narrative that places greater importance on "money" than, for example, human ingenuity, is exactly that... a narrative.
there were a number of things that were necessary in order to start the industrial revolution.
1) The formation of specialized trade groups and guilds.
2) A Secure place for these groups to practice their craft. Hence the cities were created to provide a means of security.
3) Loosening of restrictive laws that prevented entrepreneurs from developing new systems, and technologies
4) A paradigm shift in the mindset of the population. This was usually accomplished by affording the population of cities with a better access to education, and knowledge that country folks.
5) The shift of the noble class to the class of investors/entrepreneurs. The capital requirements at the initial start of the industrial revolution was modest, but increased dramatically as the potential for production increase. In many case, the cost of investment increased proportionally to the potential return on investment.
6) The emergence of a consumer class. At the beginning, it was only the nobles, but then greedy entrepreneurs expanded to attract more customers.
I believe the common denominators for the industrial revolution are as follows: Increased sense of security-> freedom to experiments with new ideas and systems-> Developments of new products -> increase production of goods -> creation of more governing systems of leadership (complex local, and regional governments) -> Specific leaders with enough vision to allow the paradigm change. ( And this one is important)
In conclusion, had there not been leaders that saw these transformation as beneficial, the leaders of the era would have sent the guards, or army into the cities to have them destroyed, and this transformation never would have occurred.
Thanks! Your conclusion is interesting. Lots of industrialists did "send in the guards" when their workers threatened the status quo of the industrial revolution. Entrepreneurs tend to be capitalists on their way up and socialists/fascists once they get there. I suppose nothing is black and white... tension everywhere. I also question the value of "complex local and regional governments" as a common denominator. Like "money"... complex government has existed for thousands of years. I'm not sure the value.
wow.. thanks krid..
Well said TremboSlice except that God is not an idiot. The "money is the root of evil" phrase actually came from the old book (aka bible) that was written by men. Only stupid people believe every word in the bible.
you are correct. I guess my frustration from the religious types comes from the fact that I have grown up in the hypocritical bible-belt. I truly believe wisdom can be derived from all religious texts, and that Jesus Christ is a remarkable figure, worthy of immulation.
a lot of confusion in many areas of life comes out of extrapolating from the old childhood jesus brainwashing
specialization is for bugs
gold bugs?
If you're going to rip off a Robert Heinlein quote (as your only coherent post in the last week, I might add) you should credit him instead of trying to look smart all by yourself.
"Jesus Christ" was a Jew. He is also a fake invented two centuries after the Christianity.
Just think that the humanity did exist for thousands years before the "Jesus Christ" appearance.
Finally, Napoleon Bonaparte said that any accepted history is a fraud.
So which is it? Was he a Jew or is he an invented fake? Your second graph tells me you are completely ignorant of Christian thology and history.
And how was it that the Roman chronicler Josephus was recording the Christian movement in the first century?
Wait, I think I figured out who the fraud is...
No, not only stupid people believe every word in the Bible.
The meaning of what one reads depends on what system of hermeneutics one uses, and most of those require a text to be understood in its complete context.
That is something that sodomiites and heathen secularists dont care to bother with as they twist and distort sacred scripture.
the Bible is as sacred as any other old book of wisdom like the Bhagavad Gita, the Talmud, the Koran, the I Ging, the Diamond Sutra, Zen texts, ... etc. etc.
They all point to the same thing, they all aim to help people find their true self - enlightenment, if you will.
Hey you're using my avatar. Cut it out!
You are both ignorant morons if you think "God" said that, or that God is an idiot for saying that. The correct quote is "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil". Big difference, no?
"The love of money is the root of all evil"
In my haste I cut the quote. You are correct.
Not having money is the root of all evil - Lil Wayne
Having a wife that loves money causes wars.
only wife that has her own money or happy with whatever worth to be a wife
Actually, in practice the reality has been:
"EVIL IS THE ROOT OF ALL MONEY""
In context I believe the word for love is better translated as 'obsession with' and not merely 'love'.
I'ma go with Joe Louis on this one. "I don't really care much for money, actually, but it calms my nerves." That's me, as well. So does that make me only semi-evil? Or maybe just morally flexible? Shooooot. Money, or loving it, isn't evil. What you learn once you get past the point of living check-to-check is that what money is, is *freedom*. Freedom to go out to eat rather than slave over a hot stove. Freedom to have a car instead of waiting at the bus stop in the rain/snow/hail/wind. Freedom to not have to do all the shit work you hate. All that.
So why again is loving (a symbol of) freedom "evil"?
Unless you are god or work for Goldman, you should only quote yourself
I grow weary of all the god talk. You could make the argument that religion (which is more to the point, since you are talking about the bible) is responsible for a lot of evil.
If you're attacking Christianity, you should come out as state that your are a bigot.
Being critical of religion is one thing, but ignoring that there is more than one and all of them are equally flawed is simply being a retarded asshole.
Interesting. When I look at the language he used in his post vs. the language you used in your post... exactly one of you seems to be attacking anything. Exactly one of you appears to be a "retarded asshole". it's doesn't take much for the pious and oh-so-persecuted to show their real stripes.
Nope. More like attacking all the fake "believers" who don't practice what they preach. Where are all the Christian who should be against these wars? Most say nothing.
That's not what Jesus would do.
"Fiat Money is the root of all evil"
There, fixed it for ya.....
The love of money is the root of all evil.
Sorry, that version is stupid too.
Why should I not love money? It's the only way people can have voluntary interactions, and not forcible ones. If your god thinks that's a bad idea, you need a better god.
Loving money doesn't mean I spend every moment (or ... any moment) of my life worrying about how much of it I can get. I love the sun -- but I don't try to keep it in a jar.
God told me he hates it when people takes his quotes out of context
God's work is a lot like an aging rock band.
Most of the good stuff came out early
If the so-called "religious" people followed the Bible, they'd realize the only time Jesus got angry was at the "money changers"/bankers.
The Bible speaks about debt & avoiding the hocus pocus banker scams. When's the last time U heard a "religious" person warn U about funny money?
The Christians don't even pay attention to their "Holy" book. If they did, they'd have shouted warnings. They don't even understand their own book. Most are too chickenshit to go against the system. I'll give the Muslims some credit there, they're not punk asses like 99% of Christians.
What you just stated blue is a modern day translation of what Ghandi said, not that I'm a ghandi fan but he said,
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
So a lot of truth in what you said.
That being said I am a Christian, I strive to be like Christ, but often times fall short of that mark. I do not place my eyes on other "christians" to decide whether Christ teachings are good or not, but rather put my eyes on Him and his teachings.
Those who wish to belittle, mock or poke fun at me for this so be it. I can tell you that I grieve at all this warmongering and it saddens me to see all the greed, destruction and hatred in this world.
So in short I'm follower of Christ not of other Christians.
Peace
How would Iran be different if it were headed by Jesus?
it would be even more critical of US hypocrisy
Correction LongBalls; it's the LOVE of money that's the root of all evil
The way I interpreted it was "Money in the hands of bankers is the root of all evil" but I could be biased.
Can I slap the fuck out of you please?
@longballs-If you are going to make statements using quotes, the quotes should be accurate.
"For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themeselves with many griefs." 1 Timothy 6:10 NASB
Most of chapter 6 is about intructions from Paul to Timothy regarding conduct and teaching for ministers, the application can be for us all. The love of money shows your ultimate non-love for God.
How can an inanimate object be good or evil? Your alledged quote from God is ridiculous.
"If God said that 'Money is the root of all evil' then God is a moron." -- Mick .
Sorry, that should read "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil!"
'God's' "Chosen Ones" sure seem to love money...
edit: oh I forgot they're the world's biggest practitioners of the 'do what we say, not what we do' thing.
Really sad, we'll have "leaked" info of Iranian defectors claiming nuclear weapons exist, then a Gulf of Tonkin event. Why can't we just start research on Thorium Nuclear Engergy, give the technology to the Iranians because thorium nuclear cannot be used as a weapon, only for civilian use, and then lead the next 50-100 yrs of thorium nuclear innovation! No, that'd be too simple and people wouldn't profit. I'm going to wait WWIII out in China and teach English.
If the Iranians have knowledge of history, they won't wait to be surprised by the inevitable false flag. They'll strike first and take down a few of our carriers.
They're going to lose either way, but they might as well go down taking a few of their enemies with them.
Remember the Enterprise!
wait for it, wait for iiiiitt.....
I agree with you, but GE and Westinghouse, who have the bulk of approved nuclear system designs, would do everything to keep something like this (development of Thorium reactors) happening.
That's the problem, the vested "American interests" are merely massive corporations selling their goods and services for list price plus. And keeping the world in their pockets.
Not only American interest, but also European/French interest as well. A group from CERN tried advocating to the EU to research into thorium reactors as an alternative to future nuclear plants, but the French have invested heavily into uranium reactors, so the idea was scrapped.
obviously, it is not about nuclear reactor or weapons, the war is just because... or to be really honest, because Iran has 150 b barrels, it will help to distract attention for a while from what a disaster the western financial world is and it will also help with profits for certain corps, in other words, kill a few targets with one hit. the problem is that the risks are still grossly underestimated.
China is closer to soon to be the epicenter of this war....there is some info leaking on the upcoming china-russia conflict.
The louder they yell about war, the less likely it is.
They won't ever destroy the Iran threat entirely The US needs constant fear in the minds of the Saudi's in order to keep them in line -- oil for fiat in exchage for security. At most the US will weaken them with bombing.
Priced in.
so, who is really running this country?
Chickensh!t. Can't even make threats face-to-face.
At least now Netanyahu knows how Obama operates, and what his motivations are.
Are you telling us it's not you? Crap. Now we're in real trouble.
A whole set of self interests combined with a set of rules (strongly influenced no doubt by: China, Japan, India, Israel, JPM, etc.). Plus Obama and his agenda tyring to circumvent them...
Until next time,
Engineer
WTF You must be new to ZH
bb5, you are still wondering who running it?
I could tell you, but then I'd have to keel you.
The international banking cartel and mega corporations.
Yes of course, the world's largest non-OPEC oil producer is all twisted up over high oil prices.
Seems strange the way they are going about this. Why channel the message through the Russians? Why would the Russians act as messenger boys for the US? WTF is going on??
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. And if you don't have any friends on the elevator with you. Fart just as you exit.
Because the Russians have said in the past that if Israel attacks Iran, they will obliterate Israel. If the Russians send the message to Iran, they will implicitly say, we are out... :(
Until next time,
Engineer
TO: sablya
"Why would the Russians act as messenger boys for the US?"
they're not....the message is from other members of the war party.......what's odd is the use of the word 'invasion'.....BOTG in iran is a stone loser unless its a land war with multiple/simultaneous fronts.......even then it would be ugly.......and the partition after the fact.............yalta with a USRC byline......its like ziggy and big sis said.....we've always been at war with eurasia...............
Maybe because it is a message to Russia and not Iran. Masks off, it is a Great Game for domination in Eurasia with US instead of British Empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game Read it, you will see a lot of parallels with what is happening today, region under consideration is the same.
I'm not sure that's a meaningful distinction.
You're right, only host country is different.
If the Russians don't relay the message, Hillary is fucked, and for the first time I might add!
'By year end'? So 4 carrier battle groups there will just turn circles now for another 9 months until 'Somethin might happen'? I dont believe it, they got it planned for far sooner.
It's like "Save up to 50%!" Anything up to 50% isn't false advertising.
Right.. Sheepdog.. and we are going to announce that at the end of the year we will invade giving Iran ample time to prepare and the rest of the world to prepare their response.. Give me a break.. this just doesn't pass the smell test..
It's "by year end" not at the end of the year, that means tomorrow would be "by year end"!
not going to fool anyone, certainly not the iranians.... well, maybe the American public...
Gunboat diplomacy.
The Chinese, a nation very familiar with the application, vowed never to submit again. And the Chinese seem to have done a wonderful job of subverting the USA by allowing us Americans to choke on our Big Macs (aka Treasuries).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy
What's worse is that the Russians are now playing a similar game. Finally, the dummies have tuned in. Yet, they would be pro-West potentially if the US wasn't so set on imperialism.
I think the west underestimates how anti west russia is....They are dying to see the US going down and they may get their moment.
Why fight when he will happily destroy himself? Sun Tzu 101. applied. It's ironic since I'm sure most of the oligarchs have themselves read the war book. Then again, I'm also sure that most of the Roman politicos were versed on Socrates and Plato, and we see what happened there.
What is the over-under on them sinking the aircraft carrier Enterprise, aka CVN-65, in Lusitania fashion and staging it like Iran's fault? Anybody else subscribe to the notion this is all distraction from the real theater of operation?
Yes, a lot of people have been saying this. Sink it in the Persian Gulf near Iran, save a fortune on decommissioning costs, and start a convenient war? What's not to like?
Can you imagine the money they could make shorting this "BUBBLE" type market, if those who know, carefully leak the information out... Just watch the "PUT levels" on SPY and if you see them spike up... Go to the bunkers!
Until next time,
Engineer
Do you mean to tell me that the same groups that bought puts on airline stocks just before 9-11 would do it again with crude oil?!?! Tell me it ain't so!!!!!!!
We've been turning circles in the Straits of Hormez since the US courted the House of Saud.
Yea well not with FOUR carrier battle groups we havent....know what it costs just in oil to run that for 1 WEEK?
The carriers and many escort ships ( subs especially) are nuclear - but yes, quite a bit of aviation fuel etc gets burned up.
nah, ya'll got it all wrong, this is surely a nice ole leisure trip, they are trying out the brand new chinese made deck chairs for the avaiators and sailors who really just need a vacation and some down time. Any other service personnel are just there to help with the smoothie flavor mixing training ST101.
Costs mean nothing as our military is no longer ours but that of the international banks, which, as you well know, create money out of thin air.
The most likely timetable is dependent on the conquest aka "liberation" of Syria. After that, the probability of major direct military action against Iran rises greatly.
The 4 or so battle groups can also be used to assist a takeover of Syria and/or the attempt to warn away Russian/Chinese involvement.
the stakes at iran game are higher than they appear for inexperienced observer. It is about Russia and China's involvement in this mess. That's the only reason why they are still tip toeing around Iranm, and perhaps Obama's election. Wait until november if not earlier and you will see the fireworks.
The statements is "before" year end. Right now IS before year end. You never tell your enemy when exactly you are going to attack them. He who punches first, punches twice.
Shirley you don't mean to say that they would lie!
You may be right about this time sheep dog but battle groups have entered and retreated from that area for years.
Only 3 there. And there have been that many off and on going back to Bush's threats. It's all show. You don't warn your enemy ahead of time. This is saber rattling which is psyops.
"The Israelis are de facto blackmailing Obama."
The biggest little nation in the world and the puppet master of the USA for decades. Of course there are even deeper, more hidden, hands than the Israelis that are so very obvious when you dare to look.
But (of course) that subject is verboten.
Expound please? (I won't tell anyone. ;-)
I am only half kidding around when I say that clearly it is the master (video) game player him (or her) self. :>)
http://www.my-big-toe.com/
Suspend disbelief for a while and explore this web site. Tom Campbell has done an excellent job not only in laying out his case.....but in backing it up. If nothing else it is a wonderful exercise for the mind. Buy the books and push through to the end. While they can, and do, drone on, they drone on because he serves up endless examples of cross referenced checks of his work.
Be skeptical......but don't close your mind. Once we declare something as impossible we close that door to further exploration. Sometimes it is the door three layers back from the one we closed that is the one we need to open.
The control system teaches us to constrain (and disarm) ourselves. Don't play the game. Dare to think beyond the artificial confines of our thoroughly conditioned mind.
Or, you can play a game of Illuminati with your friends. :)
Already have the board game dude. :)
http://www.amazon.com/Deluxe-Illuminati-Y2K-Expansion/dp/B0014H9VNK/ref=sr_1_6?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1331736983&sr=1-6
He also did an updated deck just right for our times. My hat's off to Jackson.
http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/mad/
Campbell is a pompous idiot.