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Russia, Iran Proceed With Bilateral Trade, Drop Dollar; Russian Warships Park In Syria; Iran Accelerates Nuclear Enrichment

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For anyone wondering how the abandonment of the dollar reserve status would look like we have a Hollow Men reference: not with a bang, but a whimper... Or in this case a whole series of bilateral agreements that quietly seeks to remove the US currency as an intermediate. Such as these: "World's Second (China) And Third Largest (Japan) Economies To Bypass Dollar, Engage In Direct Currency Trade", "China, Russia Drop Dollar In Bilateral Trade", "China And Iran To Bypass Dollar, Plan Oil Barter System", "India and Japan sign new $15bn currency swap agreement", and now this: "Iran, Russia Replace Dollar With Rial, Ruble in Trade, Fars Says." And ironically, the proposal to dump the greenback did not come from Iran. Per Bloomberg: "Iran and Russia replaced the U.S. dollar with their national currencies in bilateral trade, Iran’s state-run Fars news agency reported, citing Seyed Reza Sajjadi, the Iranian ambassador in Moscow. The proposal to switch to the ruble and the rial was raised by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev at a meeting with his Iranian counterpart, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in Astana, Kazakhstan, of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the ambassador said." Is Iran gradually becoming the poster child of an energy rich country that just says no to the dollar: "Iran has replaced the dollar in its oil trade with India, China and Japan, Fars reported." Next thing you know China, Russia and Japan will engage in bilateral trade agreements with the Eurozone in exchange for purchasing European or EFSF (which at last check are now forced to give 30% guaranatees) bonds, and bypassing dollars completely. But yes, aside from everyone else, virtually everyone (footnote 1) is still using the dollar as currency of global exchange.

And just to make sure that the message is heard loud and clear, Russia just docked several warships in Syria, the same country the US told all American citizens to leave two months ago. From China Daily:

Russian warships patrolling the eastern Mediterranean Sea have docked at Russia's naval supply facility in the Syrian port of Tartus, the private Addounia TV reported Saturday.

 

Governor of Tartus Imad Naddaf received the ships' leaders and expressed appreciation to Russia's support for Syria, the report said.

Russia's state-owned Itar-Tass news agency quoted a source from the Russian Navy as saying that "It is planned that the port of Tartus will be visited by a big anti-submarine ship of the Northern Fleet 'Admiral Chabanenko' and an escort ship 'Yaroslav Mudry'."

 

"Our ships are supposed to stay in Syria for several days," the source said, without giving more details about the warships' mission in the country.

 

The move is considered by many observers as an apparent show of Russia's support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad whose country has been gripped by a nearly 10-month bloody unrest.

 

The Russian Navy, however, claimed the move was part of scheduled exercises and had no connection with the situation in Syria.

 

The warships, led by "Admiral Kuznetsov," the country's only aircraft carrier, have started their patrol missions in the Northeast Atlantic and the Mediterranean Sea on December 6 to "ensure the security of the sea navigation and other Russian maritime economic activities," according to the Russian Navy.

That this is happening just as Reuters inform us that Iran is about to move the invasion timetable by a few months is rather disturbing - recall that "according to Ehud Barak, the Israeli Defense Minister, after September, a successful military attack on Iran’s nuclear sites will no longer be possible, because Iran will widen the redundancy of its facilities and spread them out over more sites, including the impenetrable  site at Fordow (near Qom), which is located inside a mountain." From Reuters:

Iran will in the "near future" start enriching uranium deep inside a mountain, a senior official said, a move likely to further antagonize Western powers which suspect Tehran is seeking nuclear weapons capability.

 

A decision by the Islamic Republic to conduct sensitive atomic activities at an underground site - offering better protection against any enemy attacks - could complicate diplomatic efforts to resolve the long-running row peacefully.

 

Iran has said for months that it is preparing to move its highest-grade uranium refinement work to Fordow, a facility near the Shi'ite Muslim holy city of Qom in central Iran, from its main enrichment plant at Natanz. The centrifuges and other equipment needed to start enrichment were installed at Fordow last year.

 

Iran is already refining uranium to a fissile purity of 20 percent - far more than the 3.5 percent level usually required to power nuclear energy plants - above ground at Natanz.

 

The country said last year it would move this higher-grade enrichment to Fordow, which like other Iranian nuclear sites is regularly inspected by the IAEA, and also sharply boost output capacity.

 

The United States and Israel, Iran's arch foes, have not ruled out strikes against the Islamic state if diplomacy fails to resolve the dispute.Iran disclosed the existence of Fordow to the IAEA only in September 2009 after learning that Western intelligence agencies had detected it.

The bottom line is that once the transition to Fordow is complete there will be no more possible ways to spin an invasion. Which gives a rough "window of opportunity" - expect to see it reflected ever more in the price of Brent as the September deadline is pushed forward by weeks and months.

As for the escalation in the USD-depegging, all that needs to happen now is for the brand spanking new Chinese aircraft carrier to do some wargames of its own in the Straits of Hormuz for the pre-terminal escalation chaos to be complete.

 

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Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:38 | 2045099 scatterbrains
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study your flint knapping bitchezz, know your rocks

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 22:23 | 2045509 gravedestruction
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Obsidian certainly produces a razor sharp edge.

The Mayans pounded it into clubs making some pretty nasty sticks with stones.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 08:49 | 2046174 Colonial Intent
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Ironic isnt it, the countries wiith the most to gain from a nuclear exchange are the third world ones.

Most of the third world still know how to live off the land, go ahead and stop the movement of goods across borders, our population will finally be sustainable after years of being artificially kept high by aid.

But your country will benefit too, with an average of 6 days of physical food supplies in the USA, your sustainable population limit will be reached before ours!

Typical american exceptionihlism.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 11:10 | 2046477 my puppy for prez
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This must be the new "healthy living/obesity reduction" program the feds are rolling out!  Genious!

Someone in the grocery business told me one time that during looming crises (like weather), the first thing to be wiped out from Walmart shelves is FROSTED STRAWBERRY POPTARTS!

Strawberry Poptarts....the American civilian population's definition of an MRE.  Nice....

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:24 | 2054962 matrix2012
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Yet i heartedly admire the American EXCEPTIONALISM! Applying thing to any other but itself! Whats a great idea to pursue!!! 

/<s>

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:14 | 2044916 chump666
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Whole world will be buying USDs next few mths....from the middle through to china.  Hedged for EUR collapse and war.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:15 | 2044919 ozziindaus
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I would not discount the USD just yet. It still is the largest military in the world by far. China have no place positioning themselves in the middle east. They are already on the verge of economic collapse and all that is left is for the US corps. to abandon them like they did the US. 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:42 | 2044967 tim73
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USSR got even bigger military, tens of thousands of tanks for example. That mighty military is actually making US gradually weaker as it did in the USSR. Aircraft carriers do not fix infrastucture from the 1970's needing hundreds of billions of dollars in the near future for emergency repairs, do not fix lousy, underfunded public education system or costly, bloated healthcare (another drain) or lack of productive, industrial jobs. It just makes everything much more difficult because military expenses in the US seems to be "non-negotiable".

Just look at Canada or Australia, those are basically similar, smaller USAs but without bloated military. Those countries are doing much better than USA.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:00 | 2045150 DosZap
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tim73,

USSR got even bigger military, tens of thousands of tanks for example

Yep, and their Armies are shit.(Exceptions are Special Forces), and there not nearly enough of them.

Eaten to the core with alcoholism, and lack of maintenance on those thousands of tanks.

They are really on strong, with subs, and nuclear. Their land based military is shit.

The women there do not even get married because of a lack of healthy/sober males, since the USSR went under,they went to SHIT.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:40 | 2045219 HungrySeagull
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They may be shit but they can be whipped up to anger to fight being told, tear em apart, pillage, loot, rape....

That is how they held Stalingrad. Even the sewer was a good place to hurt the enemy.

If they ship 50,000 tanks west to invade Europe, our Military hardware depending on Quality and multi target tracking combined with so called superior technology should have been able to absorb the blow while giving ground slowly buying time for our Reforger and other convoys/air bridges to get involved.

Yes the Russians build thier stuff like crap, but that crap can be worked on and maintained in a rusted out place while the USAF needs a Pristine 5000 acres of fresh mowed grass and swept pavement to fly.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 22:32 | 2045530 itchy166
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Which is different from the US how? Replace alcoholism with crystal meth addiction and the same can be said about the US.  The only real difference is the US has shinier toys... 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 22:44 | 2045558 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The Russians operated more field stills at Stalingrad than field kitchens. They held the city.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:44 | 2044922 cranky-old-geezer
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Damn it feels good to be right.

I told ya'll Russia would side up with Iran (and China) on this.

Oh yes, it's gonna be an anti-ship missile shooting gallery in Hormuz, escalating to all out thermonuclear WWIII if America moves forward with its insane plan to invade Iran.

Got your (nuclear) bomb shelter ready?  With 5 yr supply of food and water?

Hope so :)

Meanwhile, go read about Russia's 57 megaton Tsar bomb.  2850 times more powerful than Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombs.

... and they likely have it up to 100 megaton now ...the original design yeild.    5,000 times more powerful than Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombs.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:48 | 2045230 Real Estate Geek
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The Tsar was more about PR and deterrence, and is now too big to be useful.  The only reason for bombs that big back then was to offset the poor guidance systems of the day. Now, even so-called "city busters" are a fraction of the Tsar's size.

Because a physics package can now be delivered to within mere meters of a target, sub-megaton bombs are more than sufficient.  Even the Trident D5, which is not the most accurate delivery system in the inventory, has MIRVS of only ~500 kt.

Worldwide delivery in 30 minutes or less, or your next one's FREE! http://observatory.designobserver.com/entry.html?entry=6697

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 21:02 | 2045367 cranky-old-geezer
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The goal is different now.  No longer about hitting military targets.  Now it's about wiping out infrastructure and economies.

Why? Because it's really economic war now, and mass human annihilation to a lesser extent. 

Huge nuclear bombs are better at that, and Russia has the biggest ones.  They can deliver way more destructive power per ICBM than we can.

America's focus on target accuracy with less destructive power is going to leave America a sitting duck in an all out thermonuclear war ...like the one coming up if America foolishly insists on invading Iran.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 03:07 | 2046002 kiwidor
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except russia, china have decided that the ango-zio depopulation agenda carries with it too much negative karma.  so they will depopulate ango-zionism instead.  'innocents' be damned, since they did nothing to stop it.  i can't disagree with them.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 21:49 | 2045448 Jack Burton
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If Russia simply sold some of it's most modern Anti Aircraft Missile systems and some of it's most modern anti shipping missiles to Iran, then the USA/Israel would suffer some serious losses. They would still win the war, but that victory would come at a terrible cost. Neither the USA or Israel believes anylonger that war results in casualties or serious material losses, they would learn that this is not necessarily true if your opponent is well armed. Russia has been pressured by the USA NOT to sell modern weapons to Iran. Why would Russia even bother listening to the USA at this point?

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 22:57 | 2045575 gravedestruction
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" and they likely have it up to 100 megaton now"

Tsar Bomba was scaled back from an original design of 100 megatons.

(or 100,000 kilotons bitchez)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 23:09 | 2045595 gravedestruction
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and was aircraft deliverable...

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 11:04 | 2046458 my puppy for prez
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Please don't mention Dallas/Ft Worth again....it makes me nervous!  sigh....

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:41 | 2044970 TheGardener
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Sorry , no war just yet , but war-like riddance of your accounts, next time we 'll all meet we will all be naked.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:42 | 2044971 XenoFrog
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There isn't an "I told you so," big enough for all the idiots who argued that the sanctions wouldn't push Iran closer to Russia and China in the last Iran thread.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:49 | 2045244 john39
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the moral and proper thing to do would be to run like hell away from the USSA and its cronies....  so, good for Iran. 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:43 | 2044977 ekm
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It's all diplomacy. Nobody wants a nuclear Iran. Even the Chinese and Russians will blame the attack on Iran to justify the crappy economies. For the survival of the politician there, the Iran attack is a godsend one.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:50 | 2045251 john39
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not this time... the american public may not be aware of it, but world leaders in many countries are wise to the NWO game.   the second the USA/Nato/Israel falters, they will get hit from all sides from countries they assumed were controlled.   when the bully goes down, its going to be ugly.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 21:05 | 2045379 ekm
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Well. If by flooding the market with crude oil simultaneously during the attack, the price of oil collapses, I don't see the US public minding much. 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 23:57 | 2045705 TheFourthStooge-ing
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john39 correctly observed:

world leaders in many countries are wise to the NWO game.   the second the USA/Nato/Israel falters, they will get hit from all sides from countries they assumed were controlled.   when the bully goes down, its going to be ugly.

It'll happen as quickly as the Soviet Union fell apart, and for the same reasons. Nobody "won" the cold war. The USSA just took 20 years longer to lose it than the USSR.

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:45 | 2044980 Catullus
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Paying for stuff with currencies other than the dollar? What's that? 

So when the US Navy admirals put the kabash on any US or Western invasion of Iran (Adm Mullen already quit over this very issue), will someone finally write that the US has lost it's global hegemony?  It's not multi-polar or whatever someone wants to call it.  There is no global hegemonic power and the pursuit of it is like squaring the circle. 

http://www.truth-out.org/urging-obama-stop-rush-iran-war/1325349237

Lest he leave a trace of ambiguity regarding his professional view, upon his return Mullen drove it home at a Pentagon press conference on Feb. 22, 2011: “For now, the diplomatic and the economic levers of international power are and ought to be the levers first pulled. Indeed, I would hope they are always and consistently pulled. No strike, however effective, will be, in and of itself, decisive.”

In other words, the US Navy is very aware that they can't win in open conflict against Iran.  There are too many surface to ship missiles all around the Iranian coast line and a preemptive strike would not conclusively eliminate them.  And the Navy knows that one damaged aircraft carrier would kill the entire operation and cripple the 5th fleet.

The US military is not the invincible force US politicians and propaganda would have you believe.  We've got to know when to fold'em and go home. 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:08 | 2045736 CompassionateFascist
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By late Spring-early Summer, US will have 7 or more carrier battle groups available for the Iran War. One will be sacrificed in the Straits, to whip up war fever at home. Don't know about you, but my stomach is beginning to turn over.   

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:45 | 2044983 ekm
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Anybody old enough to remember when Reagan attached Lybia? 3rd world war was threatened and nothing occurred.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:03 | 2045155 Thorny Xi
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Yeah, I remember it.  My next door neighbor was a government physicist who developed the optics used on the bombs that killed K's relatives but missed him.  We were watching the reports come in and he had his first "crisis of consciousness" that evening; he felt bad that they missed, and far, far worse that he'd killed people. 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:42 | 2045226 HungrySeagull
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My brother was part of that. France and Spain etc told USAF to eff off, dont fly over our space to attack. (Imagine my surprise when France decades later stood in the UN Calling for Libya to be attacked in real time TV)

 

Well we tankered them, flew em in and hit em where it hurts anyway.

 

But with Crazy Daffy's death, all of that is history now.

 

We are turning a new chapter this year.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:54 | 2045262 Real Estate Geek
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IIRC, we "accidently" bombed the French embassy in that raid.  Must have been because our pilots were tired after having to fly around French airspace.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 21:58 | 2045460 HungrySeagull
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Heh.

Love it!

A bird on a wall told me some Bones (B1) came out of Ellsworth to hit Libya last year.

 

Now I fear playtime is over, we have to do our best this year if there is going to be a war.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:45 | 2044984 Yousif
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I wonder when this dog and pony show is planned to stop.

For all the couch commandoes, why don't you go and enlist with the New World Order forces?  With your intelligence levels, you'd make very suitable grooms of the stool.  That's about the only thing you're capable of doing, besides logging into a computer and making fools of yourselves on ZH (it's actually quite impressive that some of them can set up an email address).

Personally, I think the chances of a full scale WW3 (like the previous two) are slim.  I don't think people can possibly be stupid enough to waste their lives to line the pockets of private corporations anymore, or can they?  Looking at the comments by some of the armchair commandoes here (and elsewhere), anything is possible.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:50 | 2045001 ekm
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Yo man, this is part of entertainment. Without those guys it'd be very boring. We're learnig, sharing knowledge and getting entertained simultaneously.

God bless ZH!

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:35 | 2045094 Snidley Whipsnae
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"Personally, I think the chances of a full scale WW3 (like the previous two) are slim."

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Your personal assurances, garnered no doubt from your crystal ball, make us all feel soooo much safer.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:15 | 2045175 Yousif
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No crystal ball necessary, I'm basing my assumptions on well-documented events that have occured in the past.

As for your safety, you're responsible for it.  Not me, not the government, not anyone else.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:32 | 2045205 Snidley Whipsnae
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"assumptions"

..............................

Assumptions are for making an ass out of you and me. I avoid assumptions, as would you if you gave careful consideration prior to typing.

I was in the military, spent a lot of time in the Med, N Africa, Adriatic, Near Turkey, Syria, et al, and have spent a lot of time on a flight crew performing anti sub patrol. Do you have any experience in the military? Have you ever visited the Persian Gulf by naval air or naval ship?

If not, what are your assumptions based upon?

If your assumptions are based on what US Naval commanders are telling the politicians then you are as misled as the politicians. Admiral Mullin quit for good reasons... he spoke truth to power and as usual they didn't want to hear it.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:15 | 2045746 CompassionateFascist
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You nailed it, SW. Brit Zionists - via Churchill - forced WW II/holocaust to put Israel on the map. US Zionists are willing to risk WW III to keep Israel on the map. Invest in lead. 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 03:19 | 2046011 kiwidor
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Like many other stupid assholes, you repeat aphorisms like they're true.  You assume lots when you cross the road, and it doesn't stop you.    Then you claim your experience of doing what other fuckwits tell you to do is worth something.    Go practice sucking your own cock because it's more worthwhile than engaging your relatively useless and worthless mind. 

Poor old Admiral Mullin.  What a good guy.  was so much of a coward he retired with a pension instead of taking a bomb into one of those pentagram meetings. 

A curse on your descendants, you dickhead.  Assholes like you who  say "i was only following orders" or "i was just doing my job " are not just part of the problem, you ARE the problem.  I hope you suffer when whatever shitty country you live in is fucked up by assymetric warfare that you and your ilk desperately deserve.

 

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:49 | 2044999 tony bonn
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persian gulf war iii will neither be a sitcom as pgw i was nor the protracted vietnam of pgw ii. it will be more akin to the korean or ww2 and it will be ugly and nasty assuming involvement from russia, china, and the usa axis.

russia will halt energy to the west; china will provide military support to iran which will highly escalate casualties....it will also complicate shipping in the far eastern pacific ocean where chinese naval strength is rapidly ascendant thanks to massive technology transfers begun during the clinton years.....

the usa is about to get a black eye if it is not careful.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:05 | 2045040 WonderDawg
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Another one? The last two haven't healed yet.

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:26 | 2045080 Snidley Whipsnae
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The US Navy and US Government cannot afford to have one or several aircraft carriers damaged by high speed missles. If this were to happen the Eisenhower agreement to protect Saudi Arabia, if SA uses dollars only for oil trade, would be questioned if not defunct.

A defeat or even a stalemate of US Naval power in the Mid East could insure a spread of social unrest into Saudia Arabia.

So, the US Navy must continue to act as if the carriers are invinceable and at the same time keep the carriers far enough from high speed missles so they are out of harms way.

A severe loss of US Navy ships just might trigger WW3, for this would be a total global strategic game changing event.

Only a fool would want to risk the relative stability of today for a possible WW3 tomorrow.

Few people have thought this through... and if the shooting begins it will be too late for thinking. 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:41 | 2045107 BigJim
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Losing even a couple of carriers might be considered worthwhile if they can 'own' Syria and knock Iran back into the stone age. The US has other carriers it can move in to protect the Saudis, and, besides, once Iran is diminished, who's left that threatens the Saudis? The other Gulf satraps? The Med will be a NATO lake. A few thousand/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands  of casualties is besides the point, particularly if the bulk of them are Mooooooslims.

As long as this doesn't go nuclear - and I can't see why it would - then NATO will come out ahead. China and Russia are still too weak to seriously challenge the US, let alone the US and all of NATO & Israel.

Sure, oil will be $400 a barrel, but TPTB don't care, and they'll just blame those 'anti-semites' in Iran, and exercise their $120 oil calls.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:48 | 2045127 Snidley Whipsnae
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Big Jim... Nothing personal but you need some good professional help.

If the US or Israel attacks Iran with nukes then the US might receive a nuke response in return.

If the US or Israel attacks Iran with conventional weapons there is a very good chance that Iran wins in a long conflict.

If you want to gamble on a nuclear conflict then I can only hope you are not in a position to make any critical decisions.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:50 | 2045249 Tompooz
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Have a good look at this slideshow of Iran, so that ZH-ers know what would get "bombed back into the stone age"

The Iran you didn't know

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:40 | 2045336 Husk-Erzulie
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Very nice, thank you.  Passed on.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:25 | 2045771 CompassionateFascist
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Nice, humane pics - a good look at what ZOG intends to destroy to keep Israel - the "Jewish" state where 2/3 of the world's Jews don't even bother to live - on the map.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 03:27 | 2046013 kiwidor
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meh.  too late.  usa has a skinny ghetto methhead for a prez.  it has jewz in every corner of its policy machine, and fools who follow orders instead of shooting the officer above them .  there is and has never been stabilty except when the leaders have moral and spiritual superiorty.  if we're talking uk, usa, israel, we're clearly not talking about moral or spiritual superiority. 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 07:48 | 2046115 Colonial Intent
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Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:53 | 2045012 marcusfenix
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millennium challenge 2002 was a 250 million dollar war game run by the US military designed to test and predict the out come of a US engagement with Iran, which was expected to be the next step after Iraq was settled. the results of the first simulation run were, in a word, a disaster. the Marine Lt. Gen. in command of the Iranian "red" forces used low tech strategies to combat the superior capabilities of the US Navy "blue" forces and used mass anti ship missile wave attacks from both small ships and mobile inland and coastal missile batteries to overwhelm the blue forces defensive capabilities in the confined areas of operation, resulting in the loss of a large portion of the 5th fleet in initial engagements. follow up attacks by armadas of small hard to track and target fast missile boats resulted in further loses and the eventual defeat of the blue forces. loses for the blue forces were estimated to be 20,000

the war game was based on known real world capabilities of both the red and blue forces.

so in a US simulated war game the larger, more technologically advanced blue water US Navy was annihilated by the smaller coastal navel and inland missile forces of Iran in the straight of Hormuz and the gulf of Oman, and the attack against Iran was scraped by the Bush administration, or, at least delayed until a way to counter the predicted Iranian advantage could be found.

enter the upcoming large scale exercise with Israel and it's focus on missile defense, both land and sea, and my guess is that this is the beta to see if that advantage has indeed been reduced to where casualties and material loses would be "acceptable" and victory for the NWO bankster overlords can be guaranteed.

and I noticed just today in the MSM that deep underground, far from the threat of air-strikes Iran is enriching uranium in a fortified facility. the war drums are getting louder, the re-run of Iraq is in full swing.  

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:40 | 2045103 Snidley Whipsnae
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"enter the upcoming large scale exercise with Israel and it's focus on missile defense, both land and sea, and my guess is that this is the beta to see if that advantage has indeed been reduced to where casualties and material loses would be "acceptable" and victory for the NWO bankster overlords can be guaranteed."

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Last I heard the Star Wars Program had no success hitting a bullet in flight with another bullet in flight... even when all the paramaters were known in advance.

Even if 50% of all 3,000+ mph missles could be shot down before they reached their targets, the outcome for the targets would be disaster.

IOWs... same outcome for the blue forces.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:27 | 2045776 CompassionateFascist
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ZOG does not care how many Americans (and others) it kills, so long as Israel stays on the map.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:15 | 2045055 ZDRuX
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WW3 might start?!.. Are you f'n serious?! WW3 has been going on for a few years now, how many countries does it take before you call it that?! Is there a threshold that must be breached before you acknowledge this?! And what is that number?..

 

I guess it's never a world war until Russia gets involved then? Some people can't see shit until they're told to acknowledge it. Well, at least acknowledge we've been in a world war for some times now, it's just that not everybody has joined it yet.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:31 | 2045087 Snidley Whipsnae
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"WW3 might start?!.. Are you f'n serious?! WW3 has been going on for a few years now, how many countries does it take before you call it that?! Is there a threshold that must be breached before you acknowledge this?! And what is that number?.."

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WW3 has not started militarily. When you see a mushroom cloud on the horizon preceeded by a blinding flash of light and followed by a blast wave then WW3 will have begun.

Economic warfare never stops but that is not the same as military conflict.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 03:29 | 2046014 kiwidor
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Pearl Harbour?   brought about by what?   oh, economic sanctions.  not warfare? please retire to your DVD player, retard.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:18 | 2045064 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Being under a mountain is indeed "better" protection. That's a relative qualification.

It all depends upon how threatening a nuclear armed Iran really is. Burrowing into a mountain is indeed serious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_bunker_buster

The Russians would be much more profitable with oil at $150, but in the end not if Europe goes broke.

Russia / Putin also has elections coming up and Sabre Rattling has always been a Russian past time, hence Syria and the Russian "Navy", or whatever is actually operable there.

Let everyone eat cake, have at it.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:10 | 2045165 trampstamp
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The great country USA will bend over anyone that gets in it's way... just like it always has. Yes we do sandbag from time to time, but it's all done to see how weak another country is

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:42 | 2045225 Snidley Whipsnae
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Hey, we kicked the shit out of Granada ... and Panama!

How did those other 'conflicts' since WW2 work out?

When the Japanese attacked Pearl, their military thought it would win, Yamamoto excepted. When the Wehrmacht went into Russia, it thought it would win. So did Napoleon. When the Germans attacked in 1914, they thought they would win, the Schlieffen Plan being infallible. When the Confederates shelled Sumpter, they thought they could win. When the French took on the Viet Minh, they thought they would win. When the Americans went into Viet Nam, they thought they would win. When they went into Iraq, Somalia, Beirut, Afghanistan....

Note that in the foregoing list of wars, all were expected to end quickly. This should not surprise. Military men live in the psychic world of the cavalry charge, of decisive battle, of courage, heroism, and glorious victory. Modern militaries are designed with shsort-and-sweet in mind, with tanks ships and aircraft intended to fight other tanks ships and aircraft. Unfortunately wars nowadays are more like dealing with a recalcitrant bureaucracy. They go on and on. Concentrated firepower doesn't work well against dispersed enemies. The treasury bleeds, the public wearies. Quick victory seldom comes. The Pentagon thrashes and thrashes every more desperately, a saber tooth in the tar pits of La Brea. Just give us a little more time, a few more troops, a surge...  but then the enemy deploys the most fearsome weapons of the last half-centry: the AK, the RPG, and the IED.

The Pentagon can bomb Iran with impunity, as it could Afghanistatn. It thinks it can keep the Straits open, as it thought it could do all the things in the past that it couldn't. How many burning supertankers does it take to discourage the rest?

Then the unexpected comes. It turns out that the enemy is not as stupid as the strategy required. Pehhaps thousands of Iranian troops infiltrate into largely Shiite Iraq, which blows again

 http://fredoneverything.net/fred-columns.shtml

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 22:10 | 2045487 HungrySeagull
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War plans don't survive first contact with the enemy.

I believe whoever is firstest with the mostest is what gets the victory.

The South fired on Sumpter because it was not HANDED over as required. They did well but was eventually buried via Industry and Attrition. It was such a vicious war that some places like Vicksburg did NOT celebrate July 4th for about 80 years.

WW1 was almost over when the Troops in the trenches talked to one another and agreed enough is enough. The generals had to whip and shoot a few and beat the rest back to the fighting.

 

WW2 was a true total war. Only the one Japanese Leader knew about America's Industry. Remember that once Pearl was out of the way, they had adequate forces to invade Pearl and keep it while advancing onto the West coast.

It caused us to build a road to Alaska in 6 months. Among other things. Much of the effects from WW2 gave our Nation some of the best post war Economy ever.

Even into Korea.

Now Vietnam was a hurt. Giap fought us properly.

Grenada was a side show, a few college kids pulled out. Yeehaw.

We had several dozen C130's inbound to take over another Nation while last minute negotiations for one Ruler's ouster took place aboard a plane on live tv. When the Ruler agreed to leave, all those C130's had to get back to Pope with a bunch of very onery Airborne.

Israelis with the Yom Kippur War was a damn near thing. This time around.... all I can say is Good hunting! and this year we have American boots in Israeli lands now.

 

We grew up in the Cold War, Peace delivered by Missile 30 minutes or less gauranteed. Life then was by the day between heaven and hell.

This generation growing up only cowers under a desk for a lockdown or something. That is all they know.

Japan living a Nuclear hell right now that is worsening. We are being irradiated as well.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:36 | 2045790 CompassionateFascist
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Iran doesn't need to infiltrate Iraq. Already there. When Isramerica hits Iran, Green Zone will be under seige by Shi'ite militia w/in 48 hours. Hopefully they can keep the road to the airport open; otherwise, our guys - if any -come out of there clinging to the skids of helicopters. Wonder if the bright boyz in DC are wargaming THAT? 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:48 | 2045210 Coldfire
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Long-established OFAC (Office of Foreign Asset Control) regulations make USD clearing of transactions with an Iranian nexus impossible anywhere in the world (except where there are local USD clearing arrangements, such as Singapore and Hong Kong). The new CISADA (Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act) regulations target any transaction by any party anywhere in the world involving any Iranian party no matter whether or not the transaction is in USD or another currency. The problem with CISADA is that it can only be indirectly enforced through correspondent banks in the US which deal with banks which might be facilitating transactions with Iran. Its enforcement will give banks a material incentive to shun the US completely. Think about the creation of the Eurodollar market, cubed. What Russia and China are doing is a complete end run around the de facto USD hegemony manifested and reinforced by OFAC, CISADA and any other AML regulation controlled through S.W.I.F.T. Another major incentive for banks to avoid the US completely is the imminent implementation of FATCA (Foreign Asset Tax Compliance Act) which seeks to force banks to report any US person with a 10% or more net attributable interest in a foreign bank account to the IRS on pain of having 30% of the proceeds of that bank's US transactions seized and the bank being branded as "FATCA non-compliant" and therefore shut out the global banking network. By virtue of the "partnership" between primary dealers and the US government fascism has truly come to America and America is exporting this fascism like a poison throughout the global banking system through OFAC, CISADA and FATCA. The time will come when sides will have to be chosen and US regulations followed or ignored. They are generally being followed now throughout the world but the US is making trade increasingly impossible, as a deliberate tool of its foreign policy. Dollar fascism is an act of war and will have consequences, as we are now seeing with the Russia-China-Iran arrangements. India, a nuclear power depending on Iranian oil, will follow. Europe is hobbled because it depends on Fed support. The non-Fed aligned nations will have little impediment to dealing with Iran provided they avoid the USD and S.W.I.F.T. Of course the US will brand those entire nations as money launderers (as it has with Iran) and seek to shut off their trade with the rest of the world until they comply. Not that it doesn't try this already, but the gloves will be off. The financial system will be a major front of any associated war and it will involve the entire world.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:50 | 2045247 Snidley Whipsnae
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Excellent post ColdFire... I'm glad you cleared up some questions for me.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:57 | 2045266 Zero Govt
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by the time the deranged control freeks of the US Govt have reported, taxed and banned everything under the sun the only countries left for the US to trade with will be Britain and Hawaii

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:07 | 2045285 LawsofPhysics
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Hawaii?  Did Texas leave the Union too?  For the currency wars, then the trade wars, then when goods and services stop crossing borders, troops do.  Same as it ever was.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:51 | 2045252 Zero Govt
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Oh tits/shit, there goes the US Dollar

...and not for the third time

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 21:39 | 2045431 MonkeyMan
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I really can't see why there should be any objection to countries deciding to negotiate deals in whichever currency they so choose. Sounds like this is something which anyone who is pro free markets and trade would agree with. Or is the problem that the US will no longer get its pay-off for the protection racket it has previously been running?

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 22:17 | 2045499 rsnoble
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The US totally supports free markets. As long as they control it all.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 23:12 | 2045603 CrockettAlmanac.com
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An end to dollar hegemony means that large US dollar accounts held overseas to facilitate international trade will no longer be needed. The dollars which are no longer used for trade between the various nations flow elsewhere and increase the velocity of money. The inflation which the US has exported for decades comes home.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:55 | 2045830 MonkeyMan
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Wouldn't it rather mean that demand for US dollars would decrease leading to a drop in currency valuation? Either way prices go up in the US for the average consumer...

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 22:15 | 2045493 rsnoble
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Why do I get the feeling all this talk about USD reserve status is related to Hillary Clinton's recent statement "We've lost the power to control our destiny?"  Does that mean collapse is inevitable so we are "all in" and anything goes now?  Unfort that's the opinion I get.

I wonder how things would escalate if we got into it with Russia and/or China?  I don't think it would go total nuclear right off the bat.  I think whoever realized they were going to lose first will play that card.  Who knows.  One thing's for sure it will be a little different than the Iraq war when people in the US tune into the daily news and get a 15 second briefing every couple weeks or so.  No, somehow I imagine bombs actually landing on the homeland could finally get some of these idiots to realize how serious this is for a change.  If there's still an internet at that point id imagine Facebook will have it's best day ever. LMAO.  Yeah, some sorry ass humor there but this entire sitution is so insane my as well go out laughing.

Of course we all know that the US and Israel "want" to attack Iran and the nuclear horseshit is just a front.  That being said don't be surprised if WW3 is started when one of Irans 15' long Lowes fishing boat outfited with a bazooka accidentally scratches one of our destroyers and scratching it.  Bet your ass it's going down.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:48 | 2045815 CompassionateFascist
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Close, but not quite. Anti-ship missiles aside, Iran has several thousand fast suicide boats - essentially, human torpedoes - manned by Jihadist crews and each containing >1 ton of explosives. Right now, I suspect various US carrier crews are wondering which one draws the short straw:  first to run the Straits.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 22:27 | 2045521 frostfan
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No one stops anyone from trading in whatever currency they want.   It's just not as easy and if you seriously think India, Russia and Iran are less corrupt and less likely to manipulate their currency, then stock them up.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 22:50 | 2045568 rsnoble
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Yeah one thing to keep in mind is that wouldn't be a wise assumption that these other countries are led by "sane" leaders.  I'm sure all of them are also corrupt and that the cream has risen to the top.  Sour cream that is.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 23:00 | 2045581 q99x2
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Good thing I was trained to duck and cover during my elementary school days. Bring it on. I know what to do.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:25 | 2045774 Bansters-in-my-...
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Fuck Panetta

Little fucking puppet.

Off your knees boy.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:33 | 2045786 Bullish Bear
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Did Borat report on the meetings from Kazakhstan?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:41 | 2045805 ebworthen
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A "Rod from God" or two could seal off Fodrow permanently (http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-06/rods-god).

Everyone wants the oil, and sooner or later there will be war over it.

I'm not taking a stance one way or the other, simply that oil is most important for growing food.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 01:04 | 2045847 847328_3527
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Glad I visited Europe when I had the chance. If Iran is attacked, the EU might suffer the retribution.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 02:14 | 2045940 Party with Berl...
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An observation but I don't know where to start I am so frustrated. I just returned from South Afirca where I observed the following: a unamed services company has been hired to assemble retro fit kits for armored vehicles that were in Iraq and are currently being staged in Kuwait for combat. The structure should have most Americans pissed off in the light of high unemployment and where government is supposedly resolved to cut defense spending. The strucure of this one deal begs the question of having independent auudtiors assigned to, I know it's not possible, a clean accounting authority to remove waste and insider procurement arrangements within the military. Policy could then be decided on the basis of a "waste reduced" budget.

The company hired to produce the heavily armored retrofits is BEA systems. BEA is a British company that has also been fined by the U.S. for $79m for export trade violations. BEA has subcontracted the project to GCS (Global Combat Systems) of Canada.The Canadian company then subcontracts out the different components and sources them globally where they are consolidated and assembled into kits in South Africa. The kits are then loaded onto specially contructed metal sea containers for Kuwait. Guess who manufacturs the sea containers? China! That's right China who opposes our strategy in the Gulf and imports U.S. jobs. How much margin on margin is wasted in this sub/sub/sub contracted effort? How much manufacturing for U.S. military vehicles occurs with foreign producers? How much logistics expense is wasted in the BEA contruct? I observed this one small example for Humvee and mine sweepers being staged in the gulf. It begs the question how much process waste exists in the military in aggregate dollars? I know this is old news what with $20k toilet seats but when does this end? At least if they are going to overpay and rape the tax payer they would keep the jobs in the U.S.

We all seem to sleep in the same flea infested bed. Just different fleas and some have a bigger bite except the totalitarians. They can go to hell.

 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 02:15 | 2045943 Party with Berl...
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An observation but I don't know where to start I am so frustrated. I just returned from South Africa where I observed the following: a unnamed services company has been hired to assemble retro fit kits for armored vehicles that were in Iraq and are currently being staged in Kuwait for combat. The structure should have most Americans pissed off in the light of high unemployment and where government is supposedly resolved to cut defense spending. The structure of this one deal begs the question of having independent auditors assigned to, I know it's not possible, a clean accounting authority to remove waste and insider procurement arrangements within the military. Policy could then be decided on the basis of a "waste reduced" budget.

The company hired to produce the heavily armored retrofits is BEA systems. BEA is a British company that has also been fined by the U.S. for $79m for export trade violations. BEA has subcontracted the project to GCS (Global Combat Systems) of Canada.The Canadian company then subcontracts out the different components and sources them globally where they are consolidated and assembled into kits in South Africa. The kits are then loaded onto specially constructed metal sea containers for Kuwait. Guess who manufactures the sea containers? China! That's right China who opposes our strategy in the Gulf and imports U.S. jobs. How much margin on margin is wasted in this sub/sub/sub contracted effort? How much manufacturing for U.S. military vehicles occurs with foreign producers? How much logistics expense is wasted in the BEA construct? I observed this one small example for Humvee and mine sweepers being staged in the gulf. It begs the question how much process waste exists in the military in aggregate dollars? I know this is old news what with $20k toilet seats but when does this end? At least if they are going to overpay and rape the tax payer they would keep the jobs in the U.S.

We all seem to sleep in the same flea infested bed. Just different fleas and some have a bigger bite except the totalitarians. They can go to hell.

 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 08:16 | 2046134 bill1102inf
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LONG Ribles bitchezzz!

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 10:41 | 2046395 Isis
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A good article... Joe Villas Russia ready to vaporize the jewish state and then kick  just type all of this in and it is the 7th article down with homepage.ntlword.com at the bottom.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 14:52 | 2047282 johnjb32
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There will be no No-Fly zone imposed over Syria while the Russian navy is there. The Russians are making it very clear that a No-Fly leading to regime change in Syria will start World War III. For now Bloody Barack is in check. -- Michael C. Ruppert

 

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