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Russia Retaliates Against US: Puts Radar Station On Combat Alert, Prepares To Take Out European Missile Defense Systems

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Earlier today, we presented the latest developments in the escalating possibility of an imminent air (and potentially land) campaign targeting Syria by the "western world", a move that would infuriate not only Iran, but also Russia and China, both of which have made it clear they would not sit idly by and let such an "aggression" stand. Now it is Russia's turn to retaliate. Cutting straight to the chase - in a nationally televized appearance by Russian president Dmitry Medvedev: in response to what the Russian believes is an active incursion and a potential act of eventual aggression on behalf of NATO countries in Eastern Europe (and hence the US), he he said the following (7 minutes in): "First, I am instructing the Defense Ministry to immediately put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert. Second, protective cover of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons, will be reinforced as a priority measure under the programme to develop out air and space defenses. Third, the new strategic ballistic missiles commissioned by the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy will be equipped with advanced missile defense penetration systems and new highly-effective warheads. Fourth, I have instructed the Armed Forces to draw up measures for disabling missile defense system data and guidance systems if need be... Fifth, if the above measures prove insufficient, the Russian Federation will deploy modern offensive weapon systems in the west and south of the country, ensuring our ability to take out any part of the US missile defense system, in Europe. One step in this process will be to deploy Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region. Other measures to counter the European missile defense system will be drawn up and implemented as necessary. Furthermore, if the situation continues to develop not in Russia's favor we reserve the right to discontinue further disarmament and arms control measures. Besides, given the intrinsic link between strategic offensive and defensive arms, conditions for our withdrawal from the New START Treaty could also arise." That said, he concludes that Russia is still open to dialog. However, if Obama merely intends to bomb any nation at will, we are very much concerned that everything Medvedev has just threatened will be enacted. And exponentially more so when Putin comes back in charge. One thing is certain - Russia is not North Korea, and taking this speech for more empty jawboning is probably not the wisest option.

Full must watch address to the public: for English closed captioning hit the CC button.


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Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:53 | 1909383 perchprism
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Duck, bitches!!



Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:55 | 1909389 Turd Ferguson
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This shit is getting out of control. Fast.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:59 | 1909400 Smithovsky
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Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:03 | 1909414 Oh regional Indian
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Perhaps Oh-Nosky? 

Like no sky for you? No sky for anyone!

The boys with their guns have to play. No air for you.

The in-evitable mania of men and women in power. Bloodlust.

No need to bomb anyone. None. 

America, in your name or not?



Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:16 | 1909459 Ahmeexnal
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Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:26 | 1909500 spiral_eyes
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This is all part of a greater game: America and the West are locked in a proxy war with the Eurasian autocracies (Pakistan, Russia, Iran, China — for short, the PRICs) for both Eurasia’s huge resources and manpower, and global military and financial supremacy. American policy is to retain the petrodollar-standard, and continue enjoying the free lunch such a system yields.

Russia and China don't want to fight a physical war. They want to fight (and win) the ongoing trade war, and degrade America's superpower status slowly and surely. And in that regard they are winning. That's why a military-industrial complex patsy like Romney is so dangerous. Plutocrats want their free lunches.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:37 | 1909529 wanklord
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The only plausible way by which Barry & Associates (including the Zionist warmongers) could justify a war against the Islamic Republic of Iran is by staging another false flag attack on continental United States: most likely a controlled nuclear explosion (dirty bomb) targeting a major urban concentration that may kill dozens of thousands of civilians.

This operation will be carried out by the CIA in partnership with Mossad and MI6 to subsequently be blamed on AlQaeda working in conjunction with elements of Iran’s IRGC and Pakistan’s ISI.

Besides that, Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. The psychological impact of this event will elicit the brute and ignorant populace to demand a massive retaliation against the alleged perpetrators (explicitly Iran); the Obama administration will need the unconditional support of these mules in order to further their agenda.

Absent of this essential prerequisite (a false flag operation), President Soetoro will find virtually impossible persuading US Congress to issue a formal declaration of war.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:59 | 1909588 s2man
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WTF mate? You are a wank.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:08 | 1909614 Ponzi Unit
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s2man, where have you been? That's how it works.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:20 | 1909647 CrazyCooter
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This sub-thread needs more posters promoting their blogs.

Did you hear what Medvedev said about missiles, radar, and shit?!?!



/sarcasm for the autistic

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:49 | 1909710 ReallySparky
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Lol, you're crazy cooter.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 02:42 | 1909852 iinthesky
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Hmm this feels strangely like a psuedo reality TV Dr. Strangelove remake.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:34 | 1909996 jeff montanye
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yes it does.  no indication of any of this post in the new york times that i could see (one story on syria, focussing on the contacts with britain by the syrian opposition).  but there was this (no surprise):

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:32 | 1910139 AldousHuxley
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Government doesn't want public to know they are spending recession dollars on another war. They want public to shop on Black Friday deals on chinese goods after gorging and watching TV all day.


Any wonder why Russia backs up Syria? Syria wanted to switch into Russian Rubles.



Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:45 | 1910147 N57Mike
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This has a lot to do with Israel : "debkafile's military sources report that the US missile shield's command and control systems which the Russian president spoke of destroying are linked directly to Israel's missile defense network against Iranian, Syria and Hizballah missiles and the X-Band radar station located in the southern Israeli Negev.
Medvedev's threat to American "command and control systems" was therefore comprehensive. It referred not just to the US anti-missile shield facilities planned for Europe, but also to preparing measures for use ("if necessary") - in the course of  a possible American or Israeli attack on Iran or Syria - for striking the US missile defense systems in Europe before they can intercept Iranian missiles.
Knocking out the European shield would leave Israel completely exposed to Iranian missile attack."

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:01 | 1910166 Spirit Of Truth
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I presume we may be about to see the war I foresaw 20 years ago in my 'apocalyptic vision':

Don't see what good God's warning has done.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:17 | 1910232 john39
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Claiming special status from God (total bs anyway) does not justify evil acts.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 22:53 | 1912035 mophead
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Hey Bitchez,

Did I not say we were going to war with Russia?

All wars are planned by a small group of people and the winners and  losers are predetermined. Say hello to 1984... once again.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:46 | 1910259 BigJim
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DEBKA is pretty clearly an Israeli propaganda unit. I'd take anything they publish with a very small grain of salt.


Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:03 | 1910389 mess nonster
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57Mike, you get the understatement award for the day.

"A lot to do with Israel"?

This has EVERYTHING to do with Israel!

I just wonder why Russia hasn't given Iran S-300's yet If they had done so, Israel would not be so belligerent.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:56 | 1910679 disabledvet
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actually all this war talk really does make me want to go shopping. i feel less threatened--and glad that what i just bought was actually there.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 02:46 | 1909861 Ahmeexnal
Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:14 | 1909980 zhandax
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Who is the drunk up-thread who thinks the US needs a declaration of war?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:39 | 1910004 jeff montanye
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i know.  i was with him to a degree until he went totally overboard in the last line.  declarations of war went out with tojo and hitler.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:59 | 1910104 AldousHuxley
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Declarations of war is so WW2


Today you have


  1. Fed money printing so banks can buy Treasuries to fund the war
  2. Mass brainwashing of American public to win support (weapons of mass destruction, kardashians gossip, etc.)
  3. Mass distraction of target country's public to win support (civil unrest, riots, etc.)
  4. UN security voting / Coalition planning (who wants in/out, how to split oil loots from war)
  5. No fly zone to destroy air defenses "to protect civilians"
  6. coalition invades with air strikes
  7. fund and arm rebel forces to fight incumbent regime (let them fight each other)
  8. provide protection and build up government leaders chosen by war coalition

We are at step 3, western powers asking for step 4 and 5. Step 2 is Black Friday sales for Americans.



Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:18 | 1910304 eddiebe
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Hey Aldous, you forgot to list 'flu shots' from Walgreens to place nanobots in your brain to help you make the right decisions.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:15 | 1910418 sharkbait
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it is so awesome when the replies get be one word per line.  Can they ever get to one letter per line?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:01 | 1910558 RichardENixon
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Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:09 | 1910582 V in PA
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Thu, 11/24/2011 - 13:56 | 1911099 blunderdog
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No.  It won't split words, they just stick out into the border.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:11 | 1910719 mr_T
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Unlike the cold war.. I think the US will be stupid enough to start more shit. How many wars do we need .. even the amount of wars are over leveraged . I pity mankind.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:16 | 1909638 Caviar Emptor
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The whole 'false flag' bs is getting old. Liek all memes, it has a life-cycle and it's long past it's peak and it's sell-by date. Attributing everything to 'false-flag' operations is a bit like saying that the extraterrestrial are already among us, but don't want us to know. Why not? Well, you know why not if you read comic books and follow extraterrestrial blogs.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:53 | 1910215 Element
Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:23 | 1910314 clymer
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I have two words for you:

office. fires.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:17 | 1910421 DanDaley
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Steel doesn't have to liquify (3,000 degrees) to weaken (does so nicely at 1,300 degrees).  Of course, this doesn't mean that the PTB won't take advantage of the mistaken beliefs of the superstitious.  Read Jorge Luis Borges' Death and the Compass to see how the Truthers, or anybody else who believes in fairy tales, can be played like a fiddle.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:34 | 1910470 guiriduro
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True, even if we accept that reaching 1300F for a sustained period in a material that conducts heat away isn't all that easy (but it is possible, I'll grant.)  I'd be more worried by the chances that a building that has the unlikely case of becoming weakened by said fires, manages to fail in a catastrophic but symmetrical way removing resistance and falling at near free-fall speed into its own footprint.  Now, that's pretty unlikely (and by 'pretty', I mean 'extremely', of course.)  I think you need to be a fairytale believer to continue to believe that happened by chance, office fires, or off-centre fallen masonry or whatever, when controlled demolition explains it far more easily.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:33 | 1910829 FeralSerf
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If it was possible kerosene stoves would melt when used.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:22 | 1910607 DaveyJones
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truther has just a little more than melting points to go on

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 13:21 | 1911008 clymer
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i am beginning to wonder if any paid shills know how to upload a gif image

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 02:02 | 1909748 sullymandias
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Agreed Caviar. The new "false flag" is nabbing them while they are in the planning stages. There's good reason for this: 911 was a fuckup, too many people figured it out. Too much hard evidence left behind. If they try it again, they'll get called on it.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 02:37 | 1909837 i-dog
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They didn't get "called" on the false-flag "popular uprisings" (fully backed by MI6 & CIA via the Muslim Brotherhood) in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya. The public will believe anything they are told.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:12 | 1910119 AldousHuxley
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syria is not even mentioned on


American public is busy trying to find out which Chinese junk to purchase on Black Friday after they eat like pigs.


Go to your walmart and ask them syria, iran, egypt, libya, etc...and all you get will be "muslims are bad".


We are in fucking world war 3.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:36 | 1910198 Max Hunter
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Very true. Even if you find yourself in conversation on the internet with hundreds or thousands of people that see through the lies, always remember, you are surrounded by millions that are swallowing this hook, line, and sinker..

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:52 | 1910265 Carlyle Groupie
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The israel controlled MSM in the US is well engineered and has been developed to vegetablize US citizens from childhood.

That is why Kick-a-J-day is so important and must be taught in all school systems. The follow up discussions will be invaluable to dis-brainwash our kids.

Take America back! NOW!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:02 | 1910523 i-dog
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LOL ... too funny ... particularly the "outrage" from the brainwashed parents!

We also need a 'Kick-a-Mick-day', too!?!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:35 | 1910837 lakecity55
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I'm afraid you may be right, sir. I cannot find any mention in the US Press, or the two Brit broadsheets I checked. I'm going to the Asia Times and to Thierry Maisson's Voltaire Network. They often have the news you need, not printed in the controlled American press. There is supposedly an article by Madsen at Voltaire.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:10 | 1909901 Quarky Gluon
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I think your confusing a meme with a fictional plot line that has been played too many times and has gotten old and tired for the audience.  A meme, however is an idea about the real world that is either true or false and its repetition continually over time does not in any way lead to its own refutation.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:14 | 1910045 buyingsterling
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False flag/stand down operations are arguably a more common trigger to war than anything else: The Maine (false flag), the Lusitania (intentionally steered into hostile waters), Pearl Harbor (stand down), Gulf of Tonkin (false flag), Iraq etc. (false flag and stand down). Sorry, but if you believe the official 9.11 story, you are either willfully ignorant or stupid.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 14:26 | 1910160 buyingsterling
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stupid count = 5 so far

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:28 | 1910449 RoadKill
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How many of those have been publicly proven and acknowledged? You simply rolled out every conspiracy theory in one post and stated as fact.

Boston Tea Party - False Flag
Burning of DC in 1814 - False Flag
Fort Sumter - False Flag

Sorry but you are stupid and willfully impressionable.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:50 | 1910522 Iwanttoknow
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No,you are either stupid or a troll.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:33 | 1910624 DaveyJones
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waiting for a false flag to be "publicly acknowleged" is the silliest way to define its truth

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:17 | 1909909 The Big Ching-aso
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Dr. Strangelove just arrived at the Pentagon.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:50 | 1909957 Michael
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They do know we're watching them in real time 24/7 on the intertubes this world war around, don't they?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:03 | 1910033 zhandax
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Michael, they both got theirs and retired.  We both know if you found a video of the two of them circle-jerking into a blue dress in hut-blanc, it wouldn't make the top hundred on youtube.  There are simply too many active criminals still running the asylums.  But on a lighter note, hope you can enjoy family, friends, and food when the sun comes up Thursday.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:10 | 1910040 Michael
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I promote 100% personal ownership of housing for the general public.

I pay zero dollars for rent and mortgage forever. For my like new 2,000sf under air, its like me not having to work for an additional $24,000/year, so I don't here in SW Florida, and just try to enjoy as many of the beautiful 75-85 degree days as I can, and getting ready for the complete and total worldwide economic collapse.  

Except for the extortion from the gov for about $1,000/year for police, fire, and trash, it gives you a lot of personal leverage in life that allows you to take liberties most other people don't have.

What's that intrinsic value worth to an individual?

Why is this not the, National Goal?


Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:59 | 1910103 zhandax
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It won't be the national goal until a debt jubilee is required to both keep the fraud squad in power and avoid default on the debt.  That will take another quarter or two in the best case and in the worst, until 2016.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:02 | 1910105 Michael
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I also promote The Universal Bankruptcy Act of 2012.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:15 | 1910122 Michael
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In other news;

The TSA spent $80 billion dollars/year and hasn't caught a single terrorist. I spent zero dollars and prevented 1 million crimes. Prove me wrong. It's an un-provable notion just like when they say they saved so many jobs.

"The purpose of the TSA is to get Americans accustomed to having their rights violated!"

Former Reagan Official calls GOP Candidates "An Amazing Collection of Stupidity", except Ron Paul

Paul Craig Roberts: GOP debate is an amazing collection of stupidity


Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:59 | 1910163 Michael
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Don't mind me, I just like talking to myself.


The entire life cycle is not a fucking joke people. If you keep making a joke of it, then you deserve what you get!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:06 | 1910168 Michael
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If you keep making jokes about the severity of the situation, Then you deserve what you get.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:19 | 1910182 Michael
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Our current worldwide cascading economic failure would not have happened as fast if it had happened in the 80's. The devastation wouldn't have been as bad either.

The hackers were still in their mothers wombs back then.


Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:17 | 1910417 11b40
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I think everybody went to bed, Michael.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:48 | 1910018 jeff montanye
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false flag attacks, or utter fabrications of attack, "remember the maine",, etc. are of ancient vintage and are repeated today for a reason.  they keep working, apparently.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:21 | 1910431 sharkbait
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I'm calling false-flag on the false-flaggers.  They are really flaggers trying to position themselves as false-flaggers in order to discredit the real false-flaggers in support of the flaggers.  Eventually leading to total world domination by the non-flaggers.  However, the non-flaggers need to be careful to not be deceived by false-non-flaggers and their evil interlopers the non-false-flaggers.

There is a slight complication that arises when the pennant people get involved but that will be dissected in follow-up.  Stay tuned and keep your tinfoil hats on.

For those of you in the know, it is time to move to the 'second hat' protocol.  DO NOT do this prior to the 'designated time'

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:44 | 1910645 DaveyJones
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I played flag football in seventh grade and come to think of it, it all felt a little surreal. Compared with tackle I mean 

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:59 | 1910686 disabledvet
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i've come to the conclusion its "a short person attack." what is it with our "little people"? what happened? we loved then in the Wizard of Oz! Now this?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:06 | 1909892 trav7777
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a dirty bomb wouldn't kill more than a couple dozen.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:54 | 1910268 BigJim
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Radiation scares people shitless, however, so it would have its intended effect.

It would be the opposite of Fukushima... instead of the MSM pundits telling us that the radiation count is so low no one will be harmed by it, we'll have them reminding us 24/7 that the effects are insidious and 'people are going to die because of this terrorist act, make no doubt about it'

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:20 | 1910427 Think for yourself
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Depends what it would be made from. Shitty uranium, or toxic-ass plutonium? A dirty bomb containing a pound of powdered plutonium 239 would kill billions of people over its 50 000 yr+ effective lifetime. With an LD50 of 20-60 ug/kg it could also kill thousands in the affected region short term (1-12 months) and millions on the continent medium term (1-10 yrs) while making the general geographic mostly unhabitable for thousands of years (i.e. Japan soon enough).

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:40 | 1910201 chindit13
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I'm not sure anyone in the greater Zerohedge community has less of a grasp on reality than you, and that is quite the achievement.  To be so unaware, yet with such misplaced confidence, is astonishing.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 21:16 | 1911915 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Wanklord copies and pastes the very same comment wherever he thinks it's at least marginally relevant. That he doesn't bother to read any followups is indicated by his lack of corrections to errors that have been pointetd out in his copy-and-paste boilerplate screed.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:31 | 1910441 Chuck Walla
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@Wanklord.  Uh, Barry & Ass.  need those urban votes to stay in power. If they thought for one minute that those votes were imperiled, besides by Liberal Progressivism, then there would be no war.  Try it. Threaten to credibly blow-up Cleveland, Newark or Paterson and see the blood drain from their faces. Now if they bombed Texas, Barry would light the ceremonial fuse gladly.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:32 | 1910464 TiredofIgnorance
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Conspiracy theorist beyond compare.  Re-up your Lithium prescription dude.


WOW !!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:02 | 1910560 robobbob
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You know, I could have agreed with you. But then, you had to go down the ignorant path and support the elites divide and lose narrative. Stupid Americans? As opposed to what? Those brilliant Europeans? You mean the deluded socialists who are in the process of going bankrupt while being immigrated out of exsistence? Or perhaps you'ld prefer our Asian friends who are desperately clinging to the illusions of growth that building ghost cities will somehow save them? Or maybe you had in mind those ancient cultures of the middle east who, well, face it, they're just cannon fodder in this game.

You need to wake up to the fact that in a globalist elite controlled world, NO ONE has a privileged, fog clear view of ANYTHING that is happening. Whatever nationality you are, with maybe the exception of Icelandic, are just as much a set of pawns as everyone else on this chessboard.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:30 | 1910812 savagegoose
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why not, its obviously a pakistani attack  we will destroy them.

ohh wait  it was actually iran,  just like errm afghani, oops actually its iraq.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:15 | 1909570 i-dog
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"America and the West are ... [for] global military and financial supremacy"

MAKE UP YOUR MIND! Are they working towards a global government OR intending to annihilate Russia and China? Get with the program ... this is all just talk to get the sheep ready for another shearing.

Do you really think that moving the American industrial base to China was part of a cunning US plan for "global military supremacy" against China? Sheeeesh!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:40 | 1909698 Reven
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LOL, yes, never assume a conspiracy when stupidity is a perfectly plausible explination for the way things are.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:35 | 1910000 Gavrikon
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Good thought, but I would add greed to the equation.

Still, what's to preclude greedy, stupid globalist elites from working in concert, too?  That would fall under the category of conspiratorial, wouldn't it?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:24 | 1910058 buyingsterling
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You said it. Everyone knows that 'taking over the world' is passe. Until Hitler, it seemed like everyone was eager to try it at one time or another. But Old Uncle Adolf put the kibosh on that notion forever. No one wants to control all of the resources and populations! What would be the point of having dominion over everything? What good is power on that scale?

Well, its clearly not happening in the open, if it's happening at all. So the rational thing is to assume everyone has abandoned the objective, and treat unwarranted concentrations of power and wealth as inconsequential. After all, technology has made the projection of power more complete and final than in any time in history, and the kind of control freaks who _might_ want to take effective control of the world are made nervous by scary tech like that. They'd rather someone else have it, and use it. And since they aren't trying to control everything, they can be pretty sure no one else is either. It's all one big mutual respect festival here in Lollipop Land.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:01 | 1910279 Carlyle Groupie
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Precisely. Why not have one master country(israel) that owns a few slave countries(US,UK,Jap). Then the master runs around making the slaves steal all the worlds resources and causing wholesale destruction of anything in it's path.

Sounds familiar. The chosen.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:26 | 1910442 Think for yourself
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israel will probably be glassed over or greatly damaged during the endgame. Jews are used by zionists and higher ups (i.e. masonic luciferians) as a convenient proxy, both for blame and suffering. Real jews in Israel will suffer while the zionists laugh and use the situation they themselves created as a new thesis for the next step of their hegelian dialectic.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:46 | 1910506 Carlyle Groupie
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This has become a popular theme to spin the truth and take the spotlight off the real problem. israel and israel types.

I've seen others on here try to spin a story that the Vatican is responsible for all wall st, aipac, jdl, zionist org of america, etc... criminal activities.


Thu, 11/24/2011 - 13:57 | 1911092 Think for yourself
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And to state that Israel - both in its current state and the history of its creation - is the real problem is just as laughable. It might be one of the most obvious symptoms, and is a necessary step in a long chain of developments, but it evidently rests in the realm of effects, not of causes.

Here's a couple questions that you might want to ponder:
1) Who built up and is now supporting radical islam so that it might be opposed to zionism in the current phase of the hegelian dialectic?
2) What ideology shaped the creation of Israel?
3) Who shaped the history of the late 19th and early 20th century in order to apparently legitimize and strengthen Zionism's claim to Palestine?
4) Most important of all, what links these entities together?

Very crude answers, the understanding of which is left as an exercice to the reader:
1) Western powers' global intelligence networks
2) Zionism
3) The International money changers (House of Rothschild, Palladian Rite, Grand Orient Masonic Lodges, etc)
4) Luciferianism

One of the very possible eventualities of the current phase which has been planned for a long time is the complete destruction of Israel. Hell, it was reportedly gloated about by Albert Pike in 1871, and we were warned many times of it during the following decades. William Carr wrote in Pawns in the Game (1951):
"World War Three is to be fomented by using the differences the agentur of the Illuminati stir up between Political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem World. The war is to be directed in such a manner that Islam (the Arab World including Mohammedanism) and Political Zionism (including the State of Israel) will destroy themselves while at the same time the remaining nations, once more divided against each other on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion physically, mentally, spiritually and economically. Can any unbiased and reasoning person deny that the intrigue now going on in the Near, Middle and Far East isn't designed to accomplish this devilish purpose?"

That you think Israel is more than a useful strawman, to be tossed away once its duty is completed, means that your attention was succesfully diverted at some point of the labyrinthine obfuscation matrix that is pulled over history and our eyes. Yet you should understand this: how can Israel be the problem if it is not the ultimate cause?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 14:24 | 1911170 buyingsterling
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excellent and thought-provoking post. I would be interested in reading or seeing a more extensive treatment of this argument, if you can provide some links.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 22:53 | 1912024 Think for yourself
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Initial disclaimer: It is with pleasure that I'll try to substantiate my claims as much as I can, but you have to understand that this is only my opinion (although it fits with the opinion of different in-depth reporters, researchers and scholars of the matter) which I shaped during about 5 years of casual yet very motivated research in the matter of geopolitics, deep politics, history and the nature of secret societies. As such I did not record which sources I used to build up my opinion on the matter but I can assure you personnally that I seriously consider source bias before integrating any information in my world view. As a physicist I find this to be by far the most complete yet simple theory which both explains previously observed phenomena and makes accurate predictions about the nature of things to come.

So, to begin, to clarify my initial statement, I argue that Israel cannot be the fundamental problem if it is only a means for the end of some deeper cause. (By the way, this shall remain unsubstantiated although you can shape your own opinion of this through both academic research and spiritual exploration of the doctrines of luciferianism and ancient secret societies, but here is my understanding of the deeper problem's aim: it struggles to attain an ultimate goal of total world hegemony - over material resources, wealth, production means, manpower AND souls of the earth. I underline souls as corrupting/possessing not only the minds of men but their deeper spiritual being is theoritically the only way absolute and permanent attainment of hegemony can be maintained.)

Many pathways can lead to this realization that Israel cannot be the fundamental problem. The first question I suggested you contemplate only hints at what further questions will clarify.

1) Notwithstanding the end that might be held in sight, who foments radical islamism? No matter what end might be aimed for (I argue that the result of radical islamism's existence is exactly what is intended, that is to violently oppose Zionism and hence lead to their mutual destruction), it is still possible to identify some deep political actors who are involved in this.

Even before diving deep you can easily see the presence of these actors in modern geopolitics (which integrates more and more obviously with objectives that up to now were closely guarded secrets), from the US/NATO-engineered and supported radical muslim rebellion in Lybia to the creation and backing of the Muslim Brotherhood passing by the obvious CIA-created strawman that is Al-Qaeda (yet which is a major training ground for radical muslim fighters worldwide). You also see it in the western involvement in and support of some of the most radical muslim regimes that thrive under this support - Qatar, the UAE, Saudi Arabia. I am talking about meaningful associations which are quite trivial to research so you might want to do it yourself.

And then you've also got the western nations' hosting and entertaining of known radical islamist leaders such as Al-Awlaki invited to the pentagon ( ) and jihadists finding refuge in "londonistan" (

Going deeper, though, what about the MI6's use of radical muslim leaders to support the CIA-led coup against Mossadegh, the middle east's first progressive democratic regime? They were a vital part of the coup, and were used again once the Shah's tyranny came in jeopardy, harnessing the deep rancor against the US that iranians learned to harbor during the regime's duration in order to move the pendulum in the opposite direction and end up with islamism as a reactionary defense against the US involvement instead of a return to progressive democracy as a reaction to imposed dictatorship.
You might want to look at or the excellent Overthrow of Irans First Democracy . You can also find further proof by studying pre-WWII documents, especially secret society history, in which the plan for what has been witnessed post-WWII is laid out, from crude concepts to clear plans.

) No need for me to substantiate this, as it is more a definition than anything else, yet you can make your own research. Zionism, that is ideology of Israel as a Jewish State, is by tautology the idea that has driven the creation of Israel as a Jewish State. Might I add that contrarily to antisemites, men with fuzzy grasp of geopolitics or most jews who support Israel as a Jewish State, my stance regarding Zionism does not result from its specific association with judaism but rather with the fact that from an humanistic standpoint, the concept of a nation defining itself as Jewish is inherently as illegitimate as the US as a christian nation, Iran as a Muslim nation or China as an atheist nation. In fact I simply cannot consider any nonsecular nation as legitimate; it can only be agnostic and uninvested in religion of any sort. (Add the concept of jews as The Chosen People of God and Zionism de facto becomes genocidal, as Hitler's National Socialism was rendered genocidal by the concept of Aryans as the perfect people)

3) Who shaped history through the 19th and 20th century in order to build up the Zionist case for Palestine? By tautology, those entities who had the power to do so - but let me also specify further - in this previously mentioned set of history-movers, I hold that the international money lenders and a small selection of secret societies, especially the Palladian Rite and Grand Orient Lodges of Freemasonry (I'm not educated enough about the rosicrucians, hermetic orders of the golden dawn and other such organizations to grasp their involvement). I suggest studying the history of Adam Weishaupt, reading Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma, William Carr's Pawns in the Game and Cooper of Behold a Pale Horse fame. I am concurrently reading a few more but can't recommend them as of yet. But you can also see traces of this by researching connections of different influential people - it is interesting to see where Aldous Huxley got his ideas from, study the connections of Theodor Herzl, of Bernays, of Marx... and I'm barely touching the surface, as everything is interlinked to a level that dwarfs anything you can imagine. Just like the wikipedia syndrome, you might jump from reading Morals and Dogma to studying the different branches of freemasonry to the creation of atheist communism to the connections of various royal bloodlines to the hegelian dialectic of the french revolution, and after having invested hundreds of hours studying different topics and read many books realizing that you still haven't finished studying Albert Pike. Connecting the dots is a time-consuming process but to grasp a gross image does not require such a large initial investment. However, it is quite enjoyable to constantly learn to see history in a new light, every time clearer and more meaningful...

4) See 3. Getting this will require you to walk your own spiritual path, go back to sumerian, babylonian and egyptian religions, mysticisms and hermeticisms, as well as the different esoteric branches of world religions (gnosticism, kabbalah, sufism, zen/tantra) and study the aforementionned secret societies' occult interpretations/corruptions of these spiritual teachings.
However, a shortcut to grasping the nature of luciferianism would probably be to study the jesuit's precepts - I suggest Eric Jon Phelps' Vatican Assasins.

"We {the popes} hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty."
~ Pope Leo XIII,
1894 in Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894

"The Roman Pontiff judges all men, but is judged by no one. We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every human creature altogether necessary for salvation... {...} I have the authority of the King of kings. I am all in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of God, have but one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What therefore can you make of me but God?"
~ Pope Boniface VIII, 1302
 Papal Bull Unam Sanctam

 Allright. I'm tired and writing even this short overview has taken much longer than I expected. I hope this will lead you into some interesting research of your own :) Peace out!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:17 | 1910746 FeralSerf
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A safer, more valid concept is never underestimate your enemy.   A corollary of this might be: "Never assume stupidity when a conspiracy is a perfectly plausible explanation for the way things are."   Stupidity is often a valid excuse, but it is overused and a very dangerous assumption.

This is a much safer assumption than your ADL BS.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 02:02 | 1909745 lolmao500
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Russia won't submit to a world government controled by the US and western Europe. The west don't want them anyways. Russia knows this so they prepare to fight if the west is crazy enough to do it, and according to all the crimes they've been doing in the last few decades, attacking Russia wouldn't even be a stretch for them.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:08 | 1909897 trav7777
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Let's see...Russia had a financial collapse, a bunch of cousins came out the other side owning most of the State.  Jeez, the more things change...

Do they REALLY want to give themselves over to the owners of the UK and US?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:13 | 1909906 SilverIsKing
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"Fifth, if the above measures prove insufficient, the Russian Federation will deploy modern offensive weapon systems in the west and south of the country, ensuring..."


Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:20 | 1909914 Ahmeexnal
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Directed Energy weapons.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:31 | 1910070 buyingsterling
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The westerm media reported for years on end that the Russians couldn't afford to pay their soldiers. During those years all the soldiers and their families starved (stupid US media) but the Russians deployed the world's most advance ICBM system, and developed the world's most maneuverable fighter (at the time). Russia still targets the US, I think our missles are cold and untargeted (in other words, we're governed by idiots). Russia also has nationwide civil defense and a nuclear war-fighting doctrine (they don't believe MAD is inevitable). Cross the bear at your peril.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:33 | 1910195 lolmao500
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They are also building thousands of nuclear war shelters in Russia. For the population.

In most of the west, except Switzerland, the bunkers are only for the governments.

Moscow arms against nuclear attack

Nearly 5,000 new emergency bomb shelters will be built in Moscow by 2012 to save people in case of potential attacks.


If there's ever nuclear war, I hope Russia just nukes Washington DC...

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:33 | 1910328 living on the edge
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Please include New York City. First warn the Occupy Movement and proceed accordingly.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:39 | 1910343 lolmao500
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Yeah well NY deserves it too, after all, the banks are there.

Drop one on London and the UK royal family too please. Thanks much Russia.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:50 | 1910664 DaveyJones
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Thu, 11/24/2011 - 14:49 | 1911227 HungrySeagull
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Not really.


Demo and rebuilding is the best way.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:08 | 1910287 Carlyle Groupie
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Join the bear and crush israel once and for all!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:52 | 1910532 Got_Nukes
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I think our missles are cold and untargeted

We may be governed by idiots, but our ICBMs are certainly not "cold."  You would be surprised on how quickly they can get out of the ground if the launch crews were given the orders.  As for being "untargeted," I believe a treaty governs how the missiles are targeted day-to-day, but that doesn't mean the targeting can't be changed if needed.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:15 | 1909982 TravsMom
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Don't make me remind you of who your cousins are.  You wouldn't stand a chance.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:07 | 1909896 geekgrrl
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I don't see these as mutually exclusive options. If Russia and China don't want to play the Western money games (i.e. be pawns for the Rothschilds), then the logic of a conspiracy to create a global government would dictate that Russia and China would have to be defeated militarily sooner or later, does it not? 

As for moving the industrial base to China and it's negative effects on the US's global military supremacy, I don't think it makes much difference. I can source most parts from various countries, and key components are still made in the US. Not all industry moved away. It's not for nothing that the US is the largest (by far) arms dealer in the world. (disclaimer: I have never worked in defense, but the same principles apply in other industries)

What I've been waiting for is the big pandemic (bioweapons). You don't need big machine tools to create these. I will be very surprised if 2012 passes without a significant pandemic spanning multiple continents.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:37 | 1910142 MolotovCockhead
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Next false flag won't be a dirty bomb or collapsing building. After 911, it won't be so easy to do the same recipe again. Most likely scenario will be to release another round of SARS, SWINEFLU, BIRDFLU, ANTHRAX and blame it on whoever they dislike!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:49 | 1910211 onthesquare
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don't forget aids and flu shots.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 14:42 | 1911205 New World Chaos
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Next false flag will be a nuke.  Less evidence, fewer witnesses, much quicker than shredding all the incrimminating documents in an entire city, it protects Israel, it vaporizes all the "gold" and all the Satanic chapels full of dark secrets, and it kills a few hundred thousand rampaging serfs/ vets.  I would give even odds that the London financial district becomes a radioactive lake shortly after it is sacked.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:55 | 1910025 mkkby
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The Russian prez sounds about as coherent as the Iranian nut.  WTF does bolstering THEIR OWN air defenses have to do with an attack on Syria???

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:57 | 1910099 topcallingtroll
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Nothing at all.

There is a bit of intentional confusion of two issues here.

Russia is responding to American attempts to put up early warning radars in eastern europe, not to the Syrian issue.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:47 | 1910151 nmewn
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Yeah, I'm trying to sort out the saber rattling BS from reality.

It appears to me the Russians are just in fear the last Baathist dictatorial regime on Earth (and a military hardware buying customer) is about to go the way of the Dodo bird...either with the wests help or not.

Dissident Syrians (out of the general US media spotlight) have been getting slaughtered in the streets Syria for months...250-300 just last week alone.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:33 | 1910246 Optimusprime
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The "dissident Syrians" include large numbers armed and trained by Us/Israeli/Saudi agents.  Wake up. 

The Syrian "dissidents" are not just "peaceful protestors" but rather part of the typical CIA/Mossad MI6 (and French too for that matter) subversion recipe outlined above by Aldous Huxley. 

Don't work for the Rothschilds.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:47 | 1910260 nmewn
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Does everything in your world revert back to jooos, CIA, Mosaad or some other damned conspiracy?

The length of a Geopol or Huxley musing in no way adds to its veracity. And some snide remark directed at me in no way adds to yours.

So I guess by extension of your logic the entire "Arab Spring" is some massive, coordinated behind the scenes psy-op?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:33 | 1910468 Think for yourself
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Uhhh.... duh. Explore the concept of a psy-ops squad (i.e. intelligence-trained anthropologists and psychologists operating in a covert military squad) and how such a squad might be used to analyze structural weaknesses in a target society and then make leveraged action on the proper focus points to induce maximal destabilization. Look into the Muslim Brotherhood, its training and its backing. Think a bit beyond the MSM!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:40 | 1910491 i-dog
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"the entire "Arab Spring" is some massive, coordinated behind the scenes psy-op?"

Good to see you finally catching on.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:00 | 1910682 DaveyJones
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crazy but both are true. Folks all over have reasons to bitch. We have desperate reasons to try to sew it and steer it. TRY is the key word

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 19:46 | 1911803 nmewn
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LOL!!!...if you say so.

I can't see how the joos or Christians (Catholic or otherwise...yes I read your comments on the Vatican/Jesuits/Masons etc. whcih I find interesting to a point), allowing or as you postulate...force "democracy" into a country that is predominately Islamic whose majority desires and/or accepts any form of Sharia Law...winds up being a net positive for said "conspirators".

Call me naive...but if I were a "conspirator" I would want the boot of a tyrant on on the necks of my enemies...not any form of "democracy" where the people would be asking their government to destroy the enemy.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 21:49 | 1911939 i-dog
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There is a very simple explanation (even Occam would endorse it), but we're too close to the edge of the page to start discussing it here.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 06:47 | 1912418 nmewn
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Understood...I've been in a few of

I hope you had a great Thanksgiving & keep stacking ;-)

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:20 | 1910308 Carlyle Groupie
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Don't give credit to a word he types.

nmewn aka The Rabbi is a spoil from the clan and tries to steer everyone's thoughts into their cesspool.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 19:52 | 1911815 nmewn
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Hi junior.

The issue with beating the shit out of wimps is everyone says no big deal.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:49 | 1910092 King Dong
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Some good points but lets not forget that an industrial base is, in the medium to long term, not worth saving - its easily rebuilt elsewhere as china's base shows

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:36 | 1910406 BorisTheBlade
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 its easily rebuilt elsewhere as china's base shows

It only takes combination of several things:

  1. Capital
  2. Access to large (and cheap) labour pool
  3. Investor-friendly regulations
  4. Time

What is there at the moment in the US?

  1. Huge debt
  2. Expensive (so far) labour
  3. Heavy (and worsening) regulations
  4. Seems to be running out

Easy you say?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:55 | 1910371 Sean7k
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From article in the LA Times this morning:

“All this anti-American rhetoric is meant for the internal consumption and even if Medvedev really means those measures they are completely unrealistic and in the end may harm Russian interests even more than those of the United States,” Alexander Golts, a defense analyst with Yezhednevny Zhurnal, a popular liberal online publication, said in an interview.

Typical Saber rattling. NK is threatening a "Sea of Fire" as well.  Yawn.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:40 | 1910490 Terminus C
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Japan already beat the North Koreans to it.  They'll need to find a new threat now.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:29 | 1909507 jdrose1985
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This coming from the douchey who said if TSHTF he would force merchants to accept his silver coins as payment at gunpoint, lol.

You are in need of a nanny.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:49 | 1909557 ZapBranigan
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Sorry to burst everyone's 'doom' bubble, but this is only political rhetoric to garner votes from the citizenry in the Russian election.

Nothing will come of this.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:52 | 1909568 Harlequin001
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I agree, I don't think Obama has either the balls or the money for this fight...

As for restarting the arms race, America would be totally screwed now if they did...

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:57 | 1910026 mkkby
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Michelle has enough balls for both of them.  As for the money, you are right.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:37 | 1910483 11b40
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America is so far ahead in the arms race, we could take a 10 year break and still be a decade ahead.  We have 1/3 the population of China, and our economy is 14 times larger.  Other than energy resources badly needed by Europe, Russia is a joke...and most Russians actually like Americans.  Yes, they are the other true nuclear arms power, but they have had that distinction for 50 years and have not felt compelled to commit suicide yet.  This is just sabre rattling, as noted previously. but it is really interesting.  With Putin coming back into open power, preening and struting will be back in vogue, so expect more entertainment.  Watch closely how our political parties play it going into our election cycle.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 14:27 | 1911180 Harlequin001
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You just keep believing that...

Someone has to...

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:55 | 1910673 DaveyJones
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you act like it's his decision

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:21 | 1909650 ak67
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this is just drama for votes how else do they maintain power if not by fear
hmm which other country does that...

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:32 | 1909676 Jay_Son
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It is just talk, but its more for foreign than domestic audiences.  They want to make the US/Europe think they have the capability to breach a ballistic missile defense system (they may have, or may only have a plan to).  I.e., its a way to try and make the US think they have cards to play in a nuclear/missile defense negotiation.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:12 | 1910227 Element
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You realise the Russians can launch waves of nuclear EMP attacks that can go on for months?

It's not a case of they MAY have cards to play, they DO have cards to play, have had all the cards they need for 5-decades.

There is not a radar or comms network on earth that will survive a concerted EMP attack, or be made functional even a month later.

The Russians and the Chinese can take down EVERYTHING the US and NATO have, at will.

The Russians never lost that core capability at any stage.

They went hungry to ensure it remained operational.



Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:26 | 1910238 nmewn
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Lets not get carried away here...we have EMP's too, maybe already sitting atop submarine missiles cruising off their shores. They can't launch anything after being hit with EMP'S either.

In the world of ironies...wouldn't it be ironic for "peacniks" to compromise their own principles by building EMP weapons systems to avert modern warfare?

Go long PFC's...Personal Faraday Cages ;-)

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:32 | 1910463 Hulk
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and we musn't forget to ground our tinfoil hats. An ungrounded tinfoil hat in an EMP attack can cause your hair to catch fire...

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:22 | 1910606 Element
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Of course, I'm just pointing out that there really is no realistic possibility of the Russians or Chinese not being able to punch through any defence anyone puts up if they want to go that far.

This needs to be said because the notion that the US defence budget makes it a special-case is pure bunk. The US is just a vulnerable as it always has been since 1948, and that is a point that should be driven home to dispel the delusional idea that the US has other peoples nukes somehow licked.

I see that stuff a lot and it's ludicrous and false and a very dangerous level of ignorance.

All the Russians are saying in this video as the accessory message is, we can and will defeat anything you put up, no matter what it is, and don't you dare forget that, as we intend to remind you of this as often as we think necessary.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 20:09 | 1911842 nmewn
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Russian military doctrine has always counted on overwhelming force...not prudent use of force or heavy reliance on technology.

"All the Russians are saying in this video as the accessory message is, we can and will defeat anything you put up, no matter what it is, and don't you dare forget that, as we intend to remind you of this as often as we think necessary."

Simply put, its blustering bullshit and Medvedev and everyone else in the government of Russia are puppets of Putin. They say what he wants them to say. I put zero stock (until confirmed) in anything the Russians or the Chinese have to say.

Besides, the Battle of 73 Easting told me all I need to know about their armaments (tanks anyways) even when used by commited troops ;-) 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 08:26 | 1912459 Element
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I was referring to nuclear delivery systems and nuclear defensive systems, not to tanks and such, as that is what Medvedev is discussing, and I see nothing to doubt the reality of the threat being made.

I find it amusing and pitiful that many people can't face that Russia whooped the superior German forces arse, then held the West off and for 45 years, as the Russians and Chinese repeatedly kicked the West's arse in Korea, and Vietnam. Several accounts I have read made it very clear that Israel came close to defeat and overrun in 1973. So to assume Russian combat kit is crappy and out-moded seems quite asinine to me. Ultimately why/how does the method, tactic, or doctrinal approach they use to kick your arse really matter, beyond the fact that an arse kicking, is an arse kicking, no matter what excuses you make for defeat, or to reassure yourself 10 years later on that you could have won.

I have no problem if you're simply seeking to add balance, fine, but if you expect me to accept the Western approach is intrinsically superior and more likely to win in combat etc., I would say that's silly nonsense. And I know a LOT about western combat systems and their capabilities and performance.

When it comes to nuke standoffs, like this will most likely develop into, what matters is a credible capability to smash your enemy's whole fucking country, turn it to soot with an overwhelming strike, and by any measure the Russians have that capacity, and I see nothing to suggest the US has any edge in that regard, or will be able to successfully interdict or attrite this, because there is ultimately no US system the Russians can not defeat via brute force and numbers they have.

It's like this; if the US was given a week's prior notice that a full-scale strategic attack would occur at ten o'clock next Saturday, so be ready to defeat it with your defensive capabilities ... the USA would still fail to stop >95% of the RVs, because the EMP would very quickly render those systems militarily inert.

To imagine otherwise is frankly delusional because once the electromagnetic and electro-optical 'noise-floor' is raised, by EMP electron acceleration pumping of the ionosphere occurs, the necessary systems are overwhelmed by the resulting noise that will not attenuate for hours or days, and by their antenas and electrical supplies that are melting and burning, with forces that are incommunicado, and horrified at what just happened.

What Medvedev claims will occur, that their missiles would successfully penetrate and most RV's would make it to their targets, will indeed happen.

Whether what he or anyone else in the Govt says is as a result of being blustering bullshiters and puppets of Putin is irrelevant and completely immaterial to the physical outcome of such an attack.

USA would be soot, and so would be Russia. No matter what you do, NO ONE can stop a nuclear attack. It is only the complete bullshit from the Military Industrial Complex that got you to imagine that it could work, in practice. You guys really are such easy suckers for this drivel. Seriously! Such slavishness to mere fucking cheap and baseless illogical lies and myths.

Read this guy, he will set you straight fast about the US strategic missile defense network can and can't do, and why it will undoubtedly fail in a real situation, for a multitude of compounding reasons. He ruthlessly and methodically tears apart the whole edifice of endless fantasy and untruth about what such a system could really do to stop a concerted attack.

In short, it's a paradigm that will not work in any phase of flight of the missile and its RVs.

It is extremely dangerous to have a whole generation on Americans coming of age who have no clue that the touted missile defence systems are a useless fucking joke, because they have always be told they can make you safe.

It is absolutely a lie, an extremely dangerous one and I think much of the reason why the US is now firing missiles into Pakistan stems from this lie, because people now assume the mere Paki's can't actually take out Kabul any time they want to.

But actually, they can, they can even wipe out an entire carrier and its support fleet, any time they want to. That is the stark reality the US citizen and soldier need to come to grips with, before it happens.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:48 | 1910893 Abitdodgie
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About 12 months ago a ICBM was set off on the coast of California and America had no idea who did it , so what does it say for Americas defence system. For a war you need a lot of realy dumb mutherfuckers to go sign up , when people are catching up with this BS, could be a problem.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 14:08 | 1911129 blunderdog
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For a war you need a lot of realy dumb mutherfuckers to go sign up

I think the USA has demonstrated over the past 30 years that this is not accurate.  If you don't have lots of realy dumb mutherfuckers, you can make do with lots of incredibly expensive weaponry.

We've been fighting somewhere or other pretty much continuously, and our active-duty forces are tiny given our population.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:38 | 1910254 strangeglove
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What will my netflix stock be woth then?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:58 | 1910684 I only kill chi...
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Ahh Conventional Nukes are EMP's if they detonate high above. One high altitude detonation could take out 30-40% of Americas electrical grid, and suspectable electronics. Most MIL stuff is EMP hardened. Thick enough Mylar bags, sealed of course are Faraday cages.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:01 | 1910387 Sean7k
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You do realize the Russians and Chinese have Central Banking Systems? You further realize that all the central bankers are tied in together? You also realize that these actions are coordinated for effect? 

The use of crisis to enforce fascism is SOP for the west and east since the late 1800's.


Thu, 11/24/2011 - 02:28 | 1909813 lolmao500
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Except Medvedev is not running in 2012.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 02:31 | 1909820 CrazyCooter
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Shhh, you will scare the believers.



Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:21 | 1910053 zhandax
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Oh fuck the believers, Idol's holiday special was earlier and the Macy's parade is on when they wake up; they will never see this.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:03 | 1910391 Sean7k
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Yes, he's trading places with Putin. He was a place holder. However, they are part of the same ruling party and for the sake of "democracy" need to maintain appearances. It is not just one position up for election.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:44 | 1909538 i-dog
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I call 'fluff'! This is just to get people talking. Divide and conquer, bitches!

"immediately put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert"

What "early warning" system is not on "alert"?

"protective cover of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons, will be reinforced as a priority measure"

How many more nuclear weapons are needed as a "protective cover"? Everyone's knickers are in a twist over Iran even getting one!

"under the programme to develop out air and space defenses"

Isn't it a bit late to be "developing" a "programme"?

"will be equipped with advanced missile defense penetration systems"

Wot? You haven't done that already? Riiiight.

"draw up measures for disabling missile defense system data and guidance systems if need be"

Yeah ... it "might" be needed. Which "General Einstein" didn't think it would be needed already? Riiiiight.

"will deploy modern offensive weapon systems in the west and south of the country ...... will be to deploy Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region ...... Other measures to counter the European missile defense system will be drawn up and implemented as necessary"

Nice to know that everyone over there has been asleep until today. Riiiight ... As if!!

This is all just bullshit-speak for the MSM to fire people up. There is another agenda going on here.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:50 | 1909559 Harlequin001
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alternatively they could just attack without warning. This is a process, it says back off, or else.

Combat alert might be something as innocuous as ensuring the facility is fully staffed 24/7 by cancelling all leave. The message has been sent. You ignore it at your peril...

Alternatively if you are a politician you ignore it at someone else's...

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