Russia Retaliates Against US: Puts Radar Station On Combat Alert, Prepares To Take Out European Missile Defense Systems

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Earlier today, we presented the latest developments in the escalating possibility of an imminent air (and potentially land) campaign targeting Syria by the "western world", a move that would infuriate not only Iran, but also Russia and China, both of which have made it clear they would not sit idly by and let such an "aggression" stand. Now it is Russia's turn to retaliate. Cutting straight to the chase - in a nationally televized appearance by Russian president Dmitry Medvedev: in response to what the Russian believes is an active incursion and a potential act of eventual aggression on behalf of NATO countries in Eastern Europe (and hence the US), he he said the following (7 minutes in): "First, I am instructing the Defense Ministry to immediately put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert. Second, protective cover of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons, will be reinforced as a priority measure under the programme to develop out air and space defenses. Third, the new strategic ballistic missiles commissioned by the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy will be equipped with advanced missile defense penetration systems and new highly-effective warheads. Fourth, I have instructed the Armed Forces to draw up measures for disabling missile defense system data and guidance systems if need be... Fifth, if the above measures prove insufficient, the Russian Federation will deploy modern offensive weapon systems in the west and south of the country, ensuring our ability to take out any part of the US missile defense system, in Europe. One step in this process will be to deploy Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region. Other measures to counter the European missile defense system will be drawn up and implemented as necessary. Furthermore, if the situation continues to develop not in Russia's favor we reserve the right to discontinue further disarmament and arms control measures. Besides, given the intrinsic link between strategic offensive and defensive arms, conditions for our withdrawal from the New START Treaty could also arise." That said, he concludes that Russia is still open to dialog. However, if Obama merely intends to bomb any nation at will, we are very much concerned that everything Medvedev has just threatened will be enacted. And exponentially more so when Putin comes back in charge. One thing is certain - Russia is not North Korea, and taking this speech for more empty jawboning is probably not the wisest option.

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Wed, 11/23/2011 - 22:53 | 1909383 perchprism
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Duck, bitches!!

 

 

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 22:55 | 1909389 Turd Ferguson
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This shit is getting out of control. Fast.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 22:59 | 1909400 Smithovsky
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Uh-ohsky

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:03 | 1909414 Oh regional Indian
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Perhaps Oh-Nosky? 

Like no sky for you? No sky for anyone!

The boys with their guns have to play. No air for you.

The in-evitable mania of men and women in power. Bloodlust.

No need to bomb anyone. None. 

America, in your name or not?

ORI

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Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:16 | 1909459 Ahmeexnal
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Come on Putin, just CLOSE THE GAS SPIGOT TO EUROPE!
LET THOSE ASSWIPES FREEZE TO DEATH!
THEY WILL BEG ON THEIR KNEES FASTER THAN YOU THINK!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:26 | 1909500 spiral_eyes
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This is all part of a greater game: America and the West are locked in a proxy war with the Eurasian autocracies (Pakistan, Russia, Iran, China — for short, the PRICs) for both Eurasia’s huge resources and manpower, and global military and financial supremacy. American policy is to retain the petrodollar-standard, and continue enjoying the free lunch such a system yields.

Russia and China don't want to fight a physical war. They want to fight (and win) the ongoing trade war, and degrade America's superpower status slowly and surely. And in that regard they are winning. That's why a military-industrial complex patsy like Romney is so dangerous. Plutocrats want their free lunches.

http://azizonomics.com/2011/11/24/kinetic-peace-action-2/

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:37 | 1909529 wanklord
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The only plausible way by which Barry & Associates (including the Zionist warmongers) could justify a war against the Islamic Republic of Iran is by staging another false flag attack on continental United States: most likely a controlled nuclear explosion (dirty bomb) targeting a major urban concentration that may kill dozens of thousands of civilians.

This operation will be carried out by the CIA in partnership with Mossad and MI6 to subsequently be blamed on AlQaeda working in conjunction with elements of Iran’s IRGC and Pakistan’s ISI.

Besides that, Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. The psychological impact of this event will elicit the brute and ignorant populace to demand a massive retaliation against the alleged perpetrators (explicitly Iran); the Obama administration will need the unconditional support of these mules in order to further their agenda.

Absent of this essential prerequisite (a false flag operation), President Soetoro will find virtually impossible persuading US Congress to issue a formal declaration of war.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:59 | 1909588 s2man
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WTF mate? You are a wank.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:08 | 1909614 Ponzi Unit
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s2man, where have you been? That's how it works.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:20 | 1909647 CrazyCooter
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This sub-thread needs more posters promoting their blogs.

Did you hear what Medvedev said about missiles, radar, and shit?!?!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/russia-retaliates-against-us-puts-radar-st...

Regards,

Cooter

/sarcasm for the autistic

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:49 | 1909710 ReallySparky
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Lol, you're crazy cooter.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:42 | 1909852 iinthesky
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Hmm this feels strangely like a psuedo reality TV Dr. Strangelove remake.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:34 | 1909996 jeff montanye
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yes it does.  no indication of any of this post in the new york times that i could see (one story on syria, focussing on the contacts with britain by the syrian opposition).  but there was this (no surprise): http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/24/world/middleeast/israel-halts-payments...

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:32 | 1910139 AldousHuxley
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Government doesn't want public to know they are spending recession dollars on another war. They want public to shop on Black Friday deals on chinese goods after gorging and watching TV all day.

 

Any wonder why Russia backs up Syria? Syria wanted to switch into Russian Rubles.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-10-20/syria-may-switch-to-ruble-fr...

 

 

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:45 | 1910147 N57Mike
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This has a lot to do with Israel : "debkafile's military sources report that the US missile shield's command and control systems which the Russian president spoke of destroying are linked directly to Israel's missile defense network against Iranian, Syria and Hizballah missiles and the X-Band radar station located in the southern Israeli Negev.
Medvedev's threat to American "command and control systems" was therefore comprehensive. It referred not just to the US anti-missile shield facilities planned for Europe, but also to preparing measures for use ("if necessary") - in the course of  a possible American or Israeli attack on Iran or Syria - for striking the US missile defense systems in Europe before they can intercept Iranian missiles.
Knocking out the European shield would leave Israel completely exposed to Iranian missile attack."

www.debka.com


Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:01 | 1910166 Spirit Of Truth
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I presume we may be about to see the war I foresaw 20 years ago in my 'apocalyptic vision':

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/Thesis/Intro/#4d

Don't see what good God's warning has done.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:17 | 1910232 john39
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Claiming special status from God (total bs anyway) does not justify evil acts.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 21:53 | 1912035 mophead
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Hey Bitchez,

Did I not say we were going to war with Russia?

All wars are planned by a small group of people and the winners and  losers are predetermined. Say hello to 1984... once again.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:46 | 1910259 BigJim
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DEBKA is pretty clearly an Israeli propaganda unit. I'd take anything they publish with a very small grain of salt.

 

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:03 | 1910389 mess nonster
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57Mike, you get the understatement award for the day.

"A lot to do with Israel"?

This has EVERYTHING to do with Israel!

I just wonder why Russia hasn't given Iran S-300's yet If they had done so, Israel would not be so belligerent.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:56 | 1910679 disabledvet
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actually all this war talk really does make me want to go shopping. i feel less threatened--and glad that what i just bought was actually there.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:46 | 1909861 Ahmeexnal
Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:14 | 1909980 zhandax
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Who is the drunk up-thread who thinks the US needs a declaration of war?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:39 | 1910004 jeff montanye
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i know.  i was with him to a degree until he went totally overboard in the last line.  declarations of war went out with tojo and hitler.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:59 | 1910104 AldousHuxley
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Declarations of war is so WW2

 

Today you have

 

  1. Fed money printing so banks can buy Treasuries to fund the war
  2. Mass brainwashing of American public to win support (weapons of mass destruction, kardashians gossip, etc.)
  3. Mass distraction of target country's public to win support (civil unrest, riots, etc.)
  4. UN security voting / Coalition planning (who wants in/out, how to split oil loots from war)
  5. No fly zone to destroy air defenses "to protect civilians"
  6. coalition invades with air strikes
  7. fund and arm rebel forces to fight incumbent regime (let them fight each other)
  8. provide protection and build up government leaders chosen by war coalition

We are at step 3, western powers asking for step 4 and 5. Step 2 is Black Friday sales for Americans.

 

 

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:18 | 1910304 eddiebe
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Hey Aldous, you forgot to list 'flu shots' from Walgreens to place nanobots in your brain to help you make the right decisions.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:15 | 1910418 sharkbait
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it is so awesome when the replies get be one word per line.  Can they ever get to one letter per line?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:01 | 1910558 RichardENixon
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Y

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:09 | 1910582 V in PA
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Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:56 | 1911099 blunderdog
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No.  It won't split words, they just stick out into the border.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:11 | 1910719 mr_T
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Unlike the cold war.. I think the US will be stupid enough to start more shit. How many wars do we need .. even the amount of wars are over leveraged . I pity mankind.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:16 | 1909638 Caviar Emptor
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The whole 'false flag' bs is getting old. Liek all memes, it has a life-cycle and it's long past it's peak and it's sell-by date. Attributing everything to 'false-flag' operations is a bit like saying that the extraterrestrial are already among us, but don't want us to know. Why not? Well, you know why not if you read comic books and follow extraterrestrial blogs.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:53 | 1910215 Element
Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:23 | 1910314 clymer
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I have two words for you:

office. fires.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:17 | 1910421 DanDaley
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Steel doesn't have to liquify (3,000 degrees) to weaken (does so nicely at 1,300 degrees).  Of course, this doesn't mean that the PTB won't take advantage of the mistaken beliefs of the superstitious.  Read Jorge Luis Borges' Death and the Compass to see how the Truthers, or anybody else who believes in fairy tales, can be played like a fiddle.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:34 | 1910470 guiriduro
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True, even if we accept that reaching 1300F for a sustained period in a material that conducts heat away isn't all that easy (but it is possible, I'll grant.)  I'd be more worried by the chances that a building that has the unlikely case of becoming weakened by said fires, manages to fail in a catastrophic but symmetrical way removing resistance and falling at near free-fall speed into its own footprint.  Now, that's pretty unlikely (and by 'pretty', I mean 'extremely', of course.)  I think you need to be a fairytale believer to continue to believe that happened by chance, office fires, or off-centre fallen masonry or whatever, when controlled demolition explains it far more easily.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:33 | 1910829 FeralSerf
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If it was possible kerosene stoves would melt when used.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:22 | 1910607 DaveyJones
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truther has just a little more than melting points to go on

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:21 | 1911008 clymer
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i am beginning to wonder if any paid shills know how to upload a gif image

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:02 | 1909748 sullymandias
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Agreed Caviar. The new "false flag" is nabbing them while they are in the planning stages. There's good reason for this: 911 was a fuckup, too many people figured it out. Too much hard evidence left behind. If they try it again, they'll get called on it.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 01:37 | 1909837 i-dog
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They didn't get "called" on the false-flag "popular uprisings" (fully backed by MI6 & CIA via the Muslim Brotherhood) in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya. The public will believe anything they are told.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:12 | 1910119 AldousHuxley
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syria is not even mentioned on cnn.com

 

American public is busy trying to find out which Chinese junk to purchase on Black Friday after they eat like pigs.

 

Go to your walmart and ask them syria, iran, egypt, libya, etc...and all you get will be "muslims are bad".

 

We are in fucking world war 3.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:36 | 1910198 Max Hunter
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Very true. Even if you find yourself in conversation on the internet with hundreds or thousands of people that see through the lies, always remember, you are surrounded by millions that are swallowing this hook, line, and sinker..

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:52 | 1910265 Carlyle Groupie
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The israel controlled MSM in the US is well engineered and has been developed to vegetablize US citizens from childhood.

That is why Kick-a-J-day is so important and must be taught in all school systems. The follow up discussions will be invaluable to dis-brainwash our kids.

http://www.abc-7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11558731

Take America back! NOW!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:02 | 1910523 i-dog
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LOL ... too funny ... particularly the "outrage" from the brainwashed parents!

We also need a 'Kick-a-Mick-day', too!?!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:35 | 1910837 lakecity55
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I'm afraid you may be right, sir. I cannot find any mention in the US Press, or the two Brit broadsheets I checked. I'm going to the Asia Times and to Thierry Maisson's Voltaire Network. They often have the news you need, not printed in the controlled American press. There is supposedly an article by Madsen at Voltaire.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 02:10 | 1909901 Quarky Gluon
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I think your confusing a meme with a fictional plot line that has been played too many times and has gotten old and tired for the audience.  A meme, however is an idea about the real world that is either true or false and its repetition continually over time does not in any way lead to its own refutation.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:14 | 1910045 buyingsterling
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False flag/stand down operations are arguably a more common trigger to war than anything else: The Maine (false flag), the Lusitania (intentionally steered into hostile waters), Pearl Harbor (stand down), Gulf of Tonkin (false flag), Iraq etc. (false flag and stand down). Sorry, but if you believe the official 9.11 story, you are either willfully ignorant or stupid.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 13:26 | 1910160 buyingsterling
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stupid count = 5 so far

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:28 | 1910449 RoadKill
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How many of those have been publicly proven and acknowledged? You simply rolled out every conspiracy theory in one post and stated as fact.

Boston Tea Party - False Flag
Burning of DC in 1814 - False Flag
Fort Sumter - False Flag

Sorry but you are stupid and willfully impressionable.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:50 | 1910522 Iwanttoknow
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No,you are either stupid or a troll.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:33 | 1910624 DaveyJones
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waiting for a false flag to be "publicly acknowleged" is the silliest way to define its truth

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 02:17 | 1909909 The Big Ching-aso
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Dr. Strangelove just arrived at the Pentagon.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 02:50 | 1909957 Michael
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They do know we're watching them in real time 24/7 on the intertubes this world war around, don't they?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:03 | 1910033 zhandax
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Michael, they both got theirs and retired.  We both know if you found a video of the two of them circle-jerking into a blue dress in hut-blanc, it wouldn't make the top hundred on youtube.  There are simply too many active criminals still running the asylums.  But on a lighter note, hope you can enjoy family, friends, and food when the sun comes up Thursday.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:10 | 1910040 Michael
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I promote 100% personal ownership of housing for the general public.

I pay zero dollars for rent and mortgage forever. For my like new 2,000sf under air, its like me not having to work for an additional $24,000/year, so I don't here in SW Florida, and just try to enjoy as many of the beautiful 75-85 degree days as I can, and getting ready for the complete and total worldwide economic collapse.  

Except for the extortion from the gov for about $1,000/year for police, fire, and trash, it gives you a lot of personal leverage in life that allows you to take liberties most other people don't have.

What's that intrinsic value worth to an individual?

Why is this not the, National Goal?

 

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:59 | 1910103 zhandax
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It won't be the national goal until a debt jubilee is required to both keep the fraud squad in power and avoid default on the debt.  That will take another quarter or two in the best case and in the worst, until 2016.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:02 | 1910105 Michael
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Agreed.

I also promote The Universal Bankruptcy Act of 2012.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:15 | 1910122 Michael
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In other news;

The TSA spent $80 billion dollars/year and hasn't caught a single terrorist. I spent zero dollars and prevented 1 million crimes. Prove me wrong. It's an un-provable notion just like when they say they saved so many jobs.

"The purpose of the TSA is to get Americans accustomed to having their rights violated!"


Former Reagan Official calls GOP Candidates "An Amazing Collection of Stupidity", except Ron Paul

Paul Craig Roberts: GOP debate is an amazing collection of stupidity

?http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O3Y73ZRIlXA

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 05:59 | 1910163 Michael
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Don't mind me, I just like talking to myself.

OT

The entire life cycle is not a fucking joke people. If you keep making a joke of it, then you deserve what you get!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:06 | 1910168 Michael
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If you keep making jokes about the severity of the situation, Then you deserve what you get.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:19 | 1910182 Michael
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Our current worldwide cascading economic failure would not have happened as fast if it had happened in the 80's. The devastation wouldn't have been as bad either.

The hackers were still in their mothers wombs back then.

 

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:17 | 1910417 11b40
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I think everybody went to bed, Michael.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:48 | 1910018 jeff montanye
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false flag attacks, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing or utter fabrications of attack, "remember the maine", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident, etc. are of ancient vintage and are repeated today for a reason.  they keep working, apparently.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:21 | 1910431 sharkbait
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I'm calling false-flag on the false-flaggers.  They are really flaggers trying to position themselves as false-flaggers in order to discredit the real false-flaggers in support of the flaggers.  Eventually leading to total world domination by the non-flaggers.  However, the non-flaggers need to be careful to not be deceived by false-non-flaggers and their evil interlopers the non-false-flaggers.

There is a slight complication that arises when the pennant people get involved but that will be dissected in follow-up.  Stay tuned and keep your tinfoil hats on.

For those of you in the know, it is time to move to the 'second hat' protocol.  DO NOT do this prior to the 'designated time'

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:44 | 1910645 DaveyJones
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I played flag football in seventh grade and come to think of it, it all felt a little surreal. Compared with tackle I mean 

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:59 | 1910686 disabledvet
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i've come to the conclusion its "a short person attack." what is it with our "little people"? what happened? we loved then in the Wizard of Oz! Now this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvgLkuEtkA&feature=player_detailpage

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 02:06 | 1909892 trav7777
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a dirty bomb wouldn't kill more than a couple dozen.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 07:54 | 1910268 BigJim
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Radiation scares people shitless, however, so it would have its intended effect.

It would be the opposite of Fukushima... instead of the MSM pundits telling us that the radiation count is so low no one will be harmed by it, we'll have them reminding us 24/7 that the effects are insidious and 'people are going to die because of this terrorist act, make no doubt about it'

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:20 | 1910427 Think for yourself
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Depends what it would be made from. Shitty uranium, or toxic-ass plutonium? A dirty bomb containing a pound of powdered plutonium 239 would kill billions of people over its 50 000 yr+ effective lifetime. With an LD50 of 20-60 ug/kg it could also kill thousands in the affected region short term (1-12 months) and millions on the continent medium term (1-10 yrs) while making the general geographic mostly unhabitable for thousands of years (i.e. Japan soon enough).

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:40 | 1910201 chindit13
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I'm not sure anyone in the greater Zerohedge community has less of a grasp on reality than you, and that is quite the achievement.  To be so unaware, yet with such misplaced confidence, is astonishing.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 20:16 | 1911915 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Wanklord copies and pastes the very same comment wherever he thinks it's at least marginally relevant. That he doesn't bother to read any followups is indicated by his lack of corrections to errors that have been pointetd out in his copy-and-paste boilerplate screed.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:31 | 1910441 Chuck Walla
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@Wanklord.  Uh, Barry & Ass.  need those urban votes to stay in power. If they thought for one minute that those votes were imperiled, besides by Liberal Progressivism, then there would be no war.  Try it. Threaten to credibly blow-up Cleveland, Newark or Paterson and see the blood drain from their faces. Now if they bombed Texas, Barry would light the ceremonial fuse gladly.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:32 | 1910464 TiredofIgnorance
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@Wanklord:

 

You are OUT OF YOUR FUGGING MIND.

 

Conspiracy theorist beyond compare.  Re-up your Lithium prescription dude.

 

WOW !!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 10:02 | 1910560 robobbob
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You know, I could have agreed with you. But then, you had to go down the ignorant path and support the elites divide and lose narrative. Stupid Americans? As opposed to what? Those brilliant Europeans? You mean the deluded socialists who are in the process of going bankrupt while being immigrated out of exsistence? Or perhaps you'ld prefer our Asian friends who are desperately clinging to the illusions of growth that building ghost cities will somehow save them? Or maybe you had in mind those ancient cultures of the middle east who, well, face it, they're just cannon fodder in this game.

You need to wake up to the fact that in a globalist elite controlled world, NO ONE has a privileged, fog clear view of ANYTHING that is happening. Whatever nationality you are, with maybe the exception of Icelandic, are just as much a set of pawns as everyone else on this chessboard.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:30 | 1910812 savagegoose
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why not, its obviously a pakistani attack  we will destroy them.

ohh wait  it was actually iran,  just like errm afghani, oops actually its iraq.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:15 | 1909570 i-dog
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"America and the West are ... [for] global military and financial supremacy"

MAKE UP YOUR MIND! Are they working towards a global government OR intending to annihilate Russia and China? Get with the program ... this is all just talk to get the sheep ready for another shearing.

Do you really think that moving the American industrial base to China was part of a cunning US plan for "global military supremacy" against China? Sheeeesh!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:40 | 1909698 Reven
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LOL, yes, never assume a conspiracy when stupidity is a perfectly plausible explination for the way things are.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:35 | 1910000 Gavrikon
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Good thought, but I would add greed to the equation.

Still, what's to preclude greedy, stupid globalist elites from working in concert, too?  That would fall under the category of conspiratorial, wouldn't it?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 04:24 | 1910058 buyingsterling
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You said it. Everyone knows that 'taking over the world' is passe. Until Hitler, it seemed like everyone was eager to try it at one time or another. But Old Uncle Adolf put the kibosh on that notion forever. No one wants to control all of the resources and populations! What would be the point of having dominion over everything? What good is power on that scale?

Well, its clearly not happening in the open, if it's happening at all. So the rational thing is to assume everyone has abandoned the objective, and treat unwarranted concentrations of power and wealth as inconsequential. After all, technology has made the projection of power more complete and final than in any time in history, and the kind of control freaks who _might_ want to take effective control of the world are made nervous by scary tech like that. They'd rather someone else have it, and use it. And since they aren't trying to control everything, they can be pretty sure no one else is either. It's all one big mutual respect festival here in Lollipop Land.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 08:01 | 1910279 Carlyle Groupie
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Precisely. Why not have one master country(israel) that owns a few slave countries(US,UK,Jap). Then the master runs around making the slaves steal all the worlds resources and causing wholesale destruction of anything in it's path.

Sounds familiar. The chosen.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:26 | 1910442 Think for yourself
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israel will probably be glassed over or greatly damaged during the endgame. Jews are used by zionists and higher ups (i.e. masonic luciferians) as a convenient proxy, both for blame and suffering. Real jews in Israel will suffer while the zionists laugh and use the situation they themselves created as a new thesis for the next step of their hegelian dialectic.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:46 | 1910506 Carlyle Groupie
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This has become a popular theme to spin the truth and take the spotlight off the real problem. israel and israel types.

I've seen others on here try to spin a story that the Vatican is responsible for all wall st, aipac, jdl, zionist org of america, etc... criminal activities.

Laughable.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:57 | 1911092 Think for yourself
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And to state that Israel - both in its current state and the history of its creation - is the real problem is just as laughable. It might be one of the most obvious symptoms, and is a necessary step in a long chain of developments, but it evidently rests in the realm of effects, not of causes.

Here's a couple questions that you might want to ponder:
1) Who built up and is now supporting radical islam so that it might be opposed to zionism in the current phase of the hegelian dialectic?
2) What ideology shaped the creation of Israel?
3) Who shaped the history of the late 19th and early 20th century in order to apparently legitimize and strengthen Zionism's claim to Palestine?
4) Most important of all, what links these entities together?

Very crude answers, the understanding of which is left as an exercice to the reader:
1) Western powers' global intelligence networks
2) Zionism
3) The International money changers (House of Rothschild, Palladian Rite, Grand Orient Masonic Lodges, etc)
4) Luciferianism

One of the very possible eventualities of the current phase which has been planned for a long time is the complete destruction of Israel. Hell, it was reportedly gloated about by Albert Pike in 1871, and we were warned many times of it during the following decades. William Carr wrote in Pawns in the Game (1951):
"World War Three is to be fomented by using the differences the agentur of the Illuminati stir up between Political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem World. The war is to be directed in such a manner that Islam (the Arab World including Mohammedanism) and Political Zionism (including the State of Israel) will destroy themselves while at the same time the remaining nations, once more divided against each other on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion physically, mentally, spiritually and economically. Can any unbiased and reasoning person deny that the intrigue now going on in the Near, Middle and Far East isn't designed to accomplish this devilish purpose?"

That you think Israel is more than a useful strawman, to be tossed away once its duty is completed, means that your attention was succesfully diverted at some point of the labyrinthine obfuscation matrix that is pulled over history and our eyes. Yet you should understand this: how can Israel be the problem if it is not the ultimate cause?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 13:24 | 1911170 buyingsterling
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excellent and thought-provoking post. I would be interested in reading or seeing a more extensive treatment of this argument, if you can provide some links.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 21:53 | 1912024 Think for yourself
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Initial disclaimer: It is with pleasure that I'll try to substantiate my claims as much as I can, but you have to understand that this is only my opinion (although it fits with the opinion of different in-depth reporters, researchers and scholars of the matter) which I shaped during about 5 years of casual yet very motivated research in the matter of geopolitics, deep politics, history and the nature of secret societies. As such I did not record which sources I used to build up my opinion on the matter but I can assure you personnally that I seriously consider source bias before integrating any information in my world view. As a physicist I find this to be by far the most complete yet simple theory which both explains previously observed phenomena and makes accurate predictions about the nature of things to come.

So, to begin, to clarify my initial statement, I argue that Israel cannot be the fundamental problem if it is only a means for the end of some deeper cause. (By the way, this shall remain unsubstantiated although you can shape your own opinion of this through both academic research and spiritual exploration of the doctrines of luciferianism and ancient secret societies, but here is my understanding of the deeper problem's aim: it struggles to attain an ultimate goal of total world hegemony - over material resources, wealth, production means, manpower AND souls of the earth. I underline souls as corrupting/possessing not only the minds of men but their deeper spiritual being is theoritically the only way absolute and permanent attainment of hegemony can be maintained.)

Many pathways can lead to this realization that Israel cannot be the fundamental problem. The first question I suggested you contemplate only hints at what further questions will clarify.

1) Notwithstanding the end that might be held in sight, who foments radical islamism? No matter what end might be aimed for (I argue that the result of radical islamism's existence is exactly what is intended, that is to violently oppose Zionism and hence lead to their mutual destruction), it is still possible to identify some deep political actors who are involved in this.

Even before diving deep you can easily see the presence of these actors in modern geopolitics (which integrates more and more obviously with objectives that up to now were closely guarded secrets), from the US/NATO-engineered and supported radical muslim rebellion in Lybia to the creation and backing of the Muslim Brotherhood passing by the obvious CIA-created strawman that is Al-Qaeda (yet which is a major training ground for radical muslim fighters worldwide). You also see it in the western involvement in and support of some of the most radical muslim regimes that thrive under this support - Qatar, the UAE, Saudi Arabia. I am talking about meaningful associations which are quite trivial to research so you might want to do it yourself.

And then you've also got the western nations' hosting and entertaining of known radical islamist leaders such as Al-Awlaki invited to the pentagon (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1322397/Al-Qaedas-Anwar-Al-Awlaki-invited-Pentagon-lunch-9-11-attacks.html ) and jihadists finding refuge in "londonistan" (http://www.vifindia.org/article/2011/march/25/The-Londonistan-Phenomenon-and-UK-Intelligence).

Going deeper, though, what about the MI6's use of radical muslim leaders to support the CIA-led coup against Mossadegh, the middle east's first progressive democratic regime? They were a vital part of the coup, and were used again once the Shah's tyranny came in jeopardy, harnessing the deep rancor against the US that iranians learned to harbor during the regime's duration in order to move the pendulum in the opposite direction and end up with islamism as a reactionary defense against the US involvement instead of a return to progressive democracy as a reaction to imposed dictatorship.
You might want to look at http://newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1249 or the excellent http://www.redmoonrising.com/Ikhwan/BritIslam.htm#The Overthrow of Irans First Democracy . You can also find further proof by studying pre-WWII documents, especially secret society history, in which the plan for what has been witnessed post-WWII is laid out, from crude concepts to clear plans.

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) No need for me to substantiate this, as it is more a definition than anything else, yet you can make your own research. Zionism, that is ideology of Israel as a Jewish State, is by tautology the idea that has driven the creation of Israel as a Jewish State. Might I add that contrarily to antisemites, men with fuzzy grasp of geopolitics or most jews who support Israel as a Jewish State, my stance regarding Zionism does not result from its specific association with judaism but rather with the fact that from an humanistic standpoint, the concept of a nation defining itself as Jewish is inherently as illegitimate as the US as a christian nation, Iran as a Muslim nation or China as an atheist nation. In fact I simply cannot consider any nonsecular nation as legitimate; it can only be agnostic and uninvested in religion of any sort. (Add the concept of jews as The Chosen People of God and Zionism de facto becomes genocidal, as Hitler's National Socialism was rendered genocidal by the concept of Aryans as the perfect people)

3) Who shaped history through the 19th and 20th century in order to build up the Zionist case for Palestine? By tautology, those entities who had the power to do so - but let me also specify further - in this previously mentioned set of history-movers, I hold that the international money lenders and a small selection of secret societies, especially the Palladian Rite and Grand Orient Lodges of Freemasonry (I'm not educated enough about the rosicrucians, hermetic orders of the golden dawn and other such organizations to grasp their involvement). I suggest studying the history of Adam Weishaupt, reading Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma, William Carr's Pawns in the Game and Cooper of Behold a Pale Horse fame. I am concurrently reading a few more but can't recommend them as of yet. But you can also see traces of this by researching connections of different influential people - it is interesting to see where Aldous Huxley got his ideas from, study the connections of Theodor Herzl, of Bernays, of Marx... and I'm barely touching the surface, as everything is interlinked to a level that dwarfs anything you can imagine. Just like the wikipedia syndrome, you might jump from reading Morals and Dogma to studying the different branches of freemasonry to the creation of atheist communism to the connections of various royal bloodlines to the hegelian dialectic of the french revolution, and after having invested hundreds of hours studying different topics and read many books realizing that you still haven't finished studying Albert Pike. Connecting the dots is a time-consuming process but to grasp a gross image does not require such a large initial investment. However, it is quite enjoyable to constantly learn to see history in a new light, every time clearer and more meaningful...

4) See 3. Getting this will require you to walk your own spiritual path, go back to sumerian, babylonian and egyptian religions, mysticisms and hermeticisms, as well as the different esoteric branches of world religions (gnosticism, kabbalah, sufism, zen/tantra) and study the aforementionned secret societies' occult interpretations/corruptions of these spiritual teachings.
However, a shortcut to grasping the nature of luciferianism would probably be to study the jesuit's precepts - I suggest Eric Jon Phelps' Vatican Assasins.

"We {the popes} hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty."
~ Pope Leo XIII,
1894 in Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894

"The Roman Pontiff judges all men, but is judged by no one. We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every human creature altogether necessary for salvation... {...} I have the authority of the King of kings. I am all in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of God, have but one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What therefore can you make of me but God?"
~ Pope Boniface VIII, 1302
 Papal Bull Unam Sanctam

 Allright. I'm tired and writing even this short overview has taken much longer than I expected. I hope this will lead you into some interesting research of your own :) Peace out!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 11:17 | 1910746 FeralSerf
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A safer, more valid concept is never underestimate your enemy.   A corollary of this might be: "Never assume stupidity when a conspiracy is a perfectly plausible explanation for the way things are."   Stupidity is often a valid excuse, but it is overused and a very dangerous assumption.

This is a much safer assumption than your ADL BS.

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