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Russia Retaliates Against US: Puts Radar Station On Combat Alert, Prepares To Take Out European Missile Defense Systems
Earlier today, we presented the latest developments in the escalating possibility of an imminent air (and potentially land) campaign targeting Syria by the "western world", a move that would infuriate not only Iran, but also Russia and China, both of which have made it clear they would not sit idly by and let such an "aggression" stand. Now it is Russia's turn to retaliate. Cutting straight to the chase - in a nationally televized appearance by Russian president Dmitry Medvedev: in response to what the Russian believes is an active incursion and a potential act of eventual aggression on behalf of NATO countries in Eastern Europe (and hence the US), he he said the following (7 minutes in): "First, I am instructing the Defense Ministry to immediately put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert. Second, protective cover of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons, will be reinforced as a priority measure under the programme to develop out air and space defenses. Third, the new strategic ballistic missiles commissioned by the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy will be equipped with advanced missile defense penetration systems and new highly-effective warheads. Fourth, I have instructed the Armed Forces to draw up measures for disabling missile defense system data and guidance systems if need be... Fifth, if the above measures prove insufficient, the Russian Federation will deploy modern offensive weapon systems in the west and south of the country, ensuring our ability to take out any part of the US missile defense system, in Europe. One step in this process will be to deploy Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region. Other measures to counter the European missile defense system will be drawn up and implemented as necessary. Furthermore, if the situation continues to develop not in Russia's favor we reserve the right to discontinue further disarmament and arms control measures. Besides, given the intrinsic link between strategic offensive and defensive arms, conditions for our withdrawal from the New START Treaty could also arise." That said, he concludes that Russia is still open to dialog. However, if Obama merely intends to bomb any nation at will, we are very much concerned that everything Medvedev has just threatened will be enacted. And exponentially more so when Putin comes back in charge. One thing is certain - Russia is not North Korea, and taking this speech for more empty jawboning is probably not the wisest option.
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DEFCON 4,
Hello ... Do you want to play a game?
It's called "global thermo-nuclear war"
Just wondering about the International Space Station. Could the Russians refuse to take American astronauts back into space? If war broke out, would the astronauts and cosmonauts have to fight each other if they were both aboard the station together?
One lot would have to kick the others out.
Obviously...
Of course, America could just turn it over to the Russians in part payment of their debt...
Aggreed there is much more to it.
However as much as everybody hates it-- the US rules the world, the russian fukers wish they would but it is all just saber ratteling.
In the end they do not want their ass kicked.
Remember they just got their first east - west paved road this year...........
like it or not unless obama really fuks up , the usa is the global power and it just pisses everybody else off.
Tough shit.
Life is not fair
long live boobs
America is just the mercenary army for the NWO. TPTB use the Americans to attack (eg. Iraq), or support (eg. Libya), or end/mop-up (eg. WWI & WWII) as needed.
At some point they will send the Americans on a suicide mission (as they did with Hitler and Napoleon against Russia), but not before they have achieved their political objective ... world government.
I suspect this is all just a new ploy to keep the US troops away from US soil (where they could turn on DC).
They?
Doofus?
Twit?
Just?
Power is a trinity.
Well, traditionally anyway. Zionism may be vying for position of the mind.
To get your way (power) with people, you need to
a) Convince them that they are doing the right thing (belief)
b) Give them an economic incentive for action (gold)
c) Threaten them with force if the first two methods fail (sword)
You can see this trinity where/when ever the PTB decide a country needs to be under their control.
First step is to either convert them to Christianity or failing that the belief system known as 'free market capitalism'
Failing that, bribe their 'leaders' or 'Government' with gold or fiat.
Failing that, send in the marines (and at the very least get the gold back).
Lucky boob, you underestimate the Russians, and overestimate America's military strength. Don't feel bad, the Germans did the same thing.
Russia spans eleven time zones, and they don't spend extravagantly. That road was an extravagance though, because virtually no one uses it. Rail is cheaper, and much faster.
Nuclear war is mutually assured destruction, and so it probably won't come to that. If it comes to a land war, America will prove itself to be a paper tiger, much like it's economy, it's "shining city on the hill" moral authority, and it's alleged can-do grit. America now has all the attributes of a bully with a complicit populace. Like a poser who lives to terrorize the weak, but is easily whipped by anyone other than girls, children, and cowards.
The logic is flawed.
Mutually Assured Destruction is an inevitability the instant that either side can see that it is losing.
When there is nothing more to lose MAD becomes a win-win scenario...
The German generals counseled against attacking Russia, knowing the problems associated with the Russian winter and the problems with controlling that much land area. Hitler was either an idiot or under orders.
ANY major country that entertains war with another is just talk. It is impossible to invade and hold any major power. Both Russia and the US are incapable of handling Afganistan. China has its' hands full with Tibet.
It is amazing how easy it is to get the paranoia of Americans whipped up into a froth.
It is impossible to invade and hold any major power.
No major power has fought for territory in 70 years. Even the freekin' Israelis never bothered to formalize the annexation of the West Bank.
You go to war to destroy the other side's infrastructure and prevent them from interfering w/business and money flow, not because you like their backyard gardens.
Quoting luckylogger: 'like it or not unless obama really fuks up , the usa is the global power and it just pisses everybody else off.'
Are you implying that Obama hasn't already fuked up?
Isn't this exactly what he was awarded the Noble Peace Prize for allegedly preventing?
Re: "the US rules the world"
With all those fake chinese chips governing their advanced weapons systems, and 2 wars just lost badly, I am eager to see some more US "winning".
In a full scale all out war scenario where nations weren't compelled to worry about collateral damage the U.S.A would lay absolute waste in a very short period of time.
I-dog,
You may be correct; I certainly hope so, but what I pick up here is something else.
Normally, for votes politicians are a little bit more bull-shitty----talk, talk, jawbone----
This strikes me as being a tiny bit different:
1---pull our citizens out!!!!
2---a definite threat from the Russians like a fucking bolt out of the blue!
Pretty stupid electioneering to re-enact the Cuban Missle Crisis this far away from the elections
But thgese are just 'reasons' that an oldman's mind dreams up to explain something that intuitively does nor feel right
I hope you are right, brother----cause I got a lot of friends in this forest that were not born with 'original sin' om
Well, om, I'm confident in my call (as if the world cares!).
1. The US Administration has made it perfectly clear that they don't give a flying fcuk about US citizens. That call was juat an 'applause' sign for the audience.
2. That waffling piece from Medvedev was a long way from a "definite threat". It was a puff piece full of wishy-washy technospeak from the announcer to get the audience to "booooo" the evil Russians.
We all need to watch the magician's other hand (in Europe).
PS. I hope I'm right, too.
I hope you're right that it's a distraction.
Don't get me wrong ... they will take down Assad's regime ... but if it can't be achieved simply by clandestinely supporting an internal coup (using the Muslim Brotherhood, again) then they'll probably get Turkey to do it for them - under some pretext to which the other muslim states will only raise token objections.
i-dog,
"Oh, why do they hate us so"
Maybe we should have lil shrub come back ringing his hands talking about how god tells him------------------
He was a terrible posterchild as president, but he always made me laugh
he was a very funny guy
why not have our resident rembrandt do a poster of a hand-wringing, teary-eyed ex-presidential poster child as an anti-nuke praying figure on his knees to his vice-president?
it is early and the forest is quiet om
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K720_Iskander#cite_note-IskHist-0
Notice the section about its range, 250 nm or 400km (horizontally) ... it can also reach the lower ionosphere within an enemy's territory.
Notice also the section on warhead types, and look at the last option, it says EMP.
That is tactical EMP level.
Get it? This is a system that was designed to be able to launch an EMP barrage and keep doing it (for weeks if necessary) to keep the radar-picture blank, and network comms on the blink.
First you launch these short-range ones, just inside an enemy's borders, at lower altitude, to blind and deafen the opponent and prevent warnings being transmitted.
Then you launch intermediate range missiles from further back to destroy the electronics systems over the enemy land mass, with a larger Strategic level EMP weapon yield, whilst they are still blinded and knocked off balance by the intial Iskander salvo.
Ten minutes have passed.
Then the opponent is left wide open to be fully gutted with ICBM MIRVs with little if any remaining organised resistence.
They don't have to do anything but to change a warhead, and flick a few switches, and a bit of targeting, and they are there.
Able to achieve all that he stated.
And you can be 100% sure they did all that well before that speech went to air.
This warning is the real deal, and those missiles are the real thing.
Why go to all that trouble when China and Russia could just dump all there T bonds and collapse America ,
This is not about fiat snowflakes melting in the spring sunlight, as that will happen anyway, this is about borders and regional strategic moves, i.e. REAL things that actually matter once the fiat-thaw is done and gone.
These may do both yet, as they can escalate this in many ways if the US and NATO are silly enough to fob this off, and use the MSM to ignore it by down-playing it.
If the Russians wanted to, and feel the need to make a very blunt emphatic point to get the west's full attention, they can easily and quickly launch a long-range conventional anti-ship strike or early warning radar attack, to make sure the MSM pays attention, and is then forced to 'splain what is happening, why air defences are on full alert, combat jest are flying over cities, and why Russia is so pissed off that it's actually waving several thousand nukes around, targeted at the West again.
The worst mistake the West can make now is ignore this message, or deliberately downplay it, as that may prompt a further escalation of this same message to the west.
And I have no doubt the US will order its Internet operatives to downplay this over the coming days and weeks, to quell any rising public alarm.
We'll soon see China's 2c worth as well.
You do realize that we have nuclear submarines around the world lurking. If Russia or China were stupid to fire an emp ICBM at the US they will face wholeslae nuclear destruction by our nuclear submarines and from our allies. People here in aero hedge just overestimate Russia. How was Russia's performance at the First and Second Chechen Wars? Russia's and China's military know they cannot beat the US at war.
You realise no one can 'win' this sort of conflict if it were to escalate via miscalulation into a full-scale bombardment?
The USSA would become a mere radioactive carbon soot layer in a Scandanavian glacier.
You do realize that we have nuclear submarines around the world lurking. If Russia or China were stupid to fire an emp ICBM at the US they will face wholesale nuclear destruction by our nuclear submarines and from our allies. People here in zero hedge just overestimate Russia. How was Russia's performance at the First and Second Chechen Wars? Russia's and China's military know they cannot beat the US at war.
It makes no difference when they also have long range rail-mobile and road-mobile ICBM systems and very quiet SSBNs, SSNs and SSK/G subs that can get in close to launch nuclear cruise missiles and nuclear torpedos, and lay nuclear sea mines, in, on and around every harbour in the US mainland. They can take down a SOSUS network at any time via other means, peice of cake, you're blinded, you won't see them coming, now what? Even if it takes three months, your screwed too.
This is a return to nuclear brinkmanship; putting mobile Iskander SS-21 Scarab tactical attack nukes near to borders on combat alert is a pretty clear indication, that we haven't seen for over 20 years. These are not regular theatre ballistic systems, these have an on-board nav system that can fly a vertical flight trajectory, or to any point in the sky within range.
These were designed specifically with tactical EMP barrages in mind as the opening salvo in a nuclear strike. The carefully-considered deliberate mentioning of these particular missile systems, being put on combat alert, is a shattering smash-you-in-the-face warning. It doesn't really get any more confronting. People in Pentagon and NATO back-rooms and bunkers will be running around with their hair on fire, same in political circles, trying to work out where they are, and where they moving to, and how to deal with this threat. They all know these systems are the first elements used in any full-scale nuclear attack, and that that the US/NATO has no realistic or effective means to defang, interdict these without triggering an actual nuclear exchange.
Russia just said, "I HAVE A GUN POINTED RIGHT NOW AT THE WEST'S HEAD,
And it's going to stay there until O'bammy picks up the red phone with the dust on it, and fully satisfies Russia there will be no more attack on Syria and Iran, and to get the fuck out of the middle East - NOW - or else.
It's going to be a real interesting conversation.
US SSBNs won't make a scrap of difference, they never did, the Russians know how this game is played and they just declared that they might just wade into the middle east conflict, again, in an indirect proxy role, to get the USSA/NATO alliance out of there ... and what do you think you are gonna do about it? huh? White Hut PUNK?
That's what is coming down the Red-Phone hotline today.
These contrived 'nuclear-fears' about Iran and rogue states are going to take a sudden back seat as this swerves toward a very real Russian nuclear heavy weight, that is very pissed off.
Russia likes to do this when the West gets uppity. Who run Bartertown?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgq4w4dqKsU
Come on Iran and Saudi Arabia, just CLOSE THE OIL SPIGOT TO THE US!
LET THOSE ASSWIPES FREEZE TO DEATH!
THEY WILL BEG ON THEIR KNEES FASTER THAN YOU THINK!
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Wrong countries, go back to school!
According to US Census Bureau import statistics, in 2010, the top crude oil exporters to the United States were Canada, Mexico, Nigeria, Venezuela and Saudi Arabia (in order from most exports to least).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_policy_of_the_United_States
If you choose to miss the point, fine. The big picture is that energy is a major problem for all Western blocks. So why single out Europe as thought it was, somehow, a special case. Typical of American critique. Canada, Mexico, Venezuela and Saudi Arabia all love you now?
For your info.
In 1980s, Soviet felt threatened and put their "doomsday system" (DS) on autonomous combat alert:
· Among hundreds early-warning stations, few dozens were part of DS
· These stations were automatically & independently monitoring such parameters as
If the DC computer concluded that USSR was under a nuclear attack then
· The DS would be waiting for 10-15 minutes to receive a coded message to stop further activities
· If such coded messages were not received then
o 5 two-staged missiles would be launched into a low Earth orbits
o Each of this missiles would transmit codes to activates ALL Soviet land & sea strategic & tactical nuclear forces and automatically launch them against ALL potential enemies (including all NATO countries, China, Pakistan, Australia, Israel, etc.,)
o At the pick, Soviets had ~45,000 nuclear devices
This doomsday system has been deactivated in early 1990s. However, this system can be moved back into an operational mode relatively quickly.
The soviet defence mainframes have been upgraded with STUXNET!
The only thing STUXNET did was make Siemens contol systems obsolete. Stupid fuckers.
Who in their right mind actually believes that Russian, China, Iran, etc.. does not have a few .gov engineers sitting around able to create a few simplistic control circuits....
Stop the stupidity!
Here's a simplistic control system.
To Brew Beer. Think I could upscale it to Precisely control thousands of centrifuges. If you're a EE I'll forgive you.
AHmeExNal: RE: Russians not shutting off the GAS...
That this did not occur demonstrates that Russia NEEDS THE MONEY flow from its biggest customers. Cutting off the gas will come later if the sabre-ratting doesn't work. Also, this fits nicely with Putin's "Soviet-era" style ascendency - tough talk from the Kremlin.
Using the Libyan model of interference in Syria provides the US some cover for what would be an obvious tactical move for the US - which is to take Syria off the table as a forward-base for Iranian counter-attacks in case Israel or the US ala NATO decides to remove Iraninan nuclear capabilities.
Also, when things aren't going well at home, what better distraction for the nation than to accept austerity due to war and let the peace-prize-winning POTUS start another war. We can then clamp down on US citizen dissent under the guise of "security" along with the social unrest he is already stoking/encouraging - which will only get worse as the global economic crisis unfolds.
Further, it has every opportunity of making 'carbon' less affordable with Iranian attempts to mess with the oil flow from the gulf; so this fits the stated environmental agenda of POTUS.
Lastly, this is good for bankers who want to finance war to make money.
Who run Bartertown? MASTER BLASTER
I wish all politicians would talk like that Russian guy.
Your hate against Europeans is showing more every day... why do you hate Europeans so much?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVXAKXmteCw
A friend of mine asked me to pray for her son who is being deployed from bahrain in a blackhawk special ops mission tomorrow. That's all I know. I shall.
STFU. Retard.
Understand that some readers will not figure out its complete BS and believe it. Not cool.
Regards,
Cooter
Thanks for the tip, ill keep that in mind. nonetheless, as the mother of a soldier she gets certain information that no-one else gets, she is not lying to me and i am not lying to you.
Your friend's son and his entire special-ops unit have been captured:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/iran-arrests-12-cia-agents-planning-attacks....
Wow her son is one of the dumbest mutherfuckers on the planet
and the life expectancy of the US military just dropped to... around 4 minutes...
Not to be a warmonger but no one has seen the US engage in all out total war in 66 years. I think the US would last a bit longer than 4 minutes.
In an all out MAD scenario, I doubt much of the developed world would last more than a half hour or so, and I wouldn't want to be a 'survivor' in the regions that fared slightly better.
Shall we play a game? - YouTubeBullshit. The USA MUST have crazy weapons we have never heard of. China and Russia can't even make a b52, usa built it decades ago. Military space spending has been higher than NASA for 50 years. What the fuck did they do with that money? WWIII will be fought with weapons none of us have heard of yet.
You've never heard of bioweapons? Just as deadly, if not more so than nuclear, at a fraction of a price.
Ever wonder what happened to USSR scientists in the 'Stans after the collapse? Word is a lot of them found work and food in Iran....
The US couldn't fight off a dozen guys with utility knives.
Puleeeze, there were 19 of them -- overwhelming force. No one could have resisted that.
Yes, it was clearly a case of a superior force, and the whole operation was run by a genius. The stupid Americans did not have a chance.
And the IQ of those guys ranged between 70 and 80.
fnord88 - I think you've been watching too much 'Transformers 2' old stick...
The instant it was made it became obsolete and very expensive to replace and modernise in large numbers, and more so now that your economy has gone bust.
Everybody else need merely research on the cheap to produce small numbers of new stuff far more advanced than anything the US will have. History should have taught you that.
...Military space spending has been higher than NASA for 50 years. What the fuck did they do with that money?
It got spent on $600 toilet seats and incinerating shepherd families.
SilverRhino, I refer to the proverbial 4 minute warning. I think the world knows that one nuke will take out an entire carrier group.
and that's it.
In 66 years the US has not warred with any country armed with more than out dated cold war weapons. When it does and you find your missile systems are taken out you might find that you fare not-so-well.
The only problem with nukes is that once they start flying, its game over.
See the end of "Reservoir Dogs".
Nukes will not fly; the elite like their teenage hookers, blow, and power.
Regards,
Cooter
They've got all that in the Deep Underground Military Bunkers.
I don't think I can dig deep enough with my shovel, and can't afford one of them plasma-borers. Shit.
They'll have severe vitamin D deficiency for at least 1,000 years. And it won't be fun living there with The Dick.
Sorry, Vietnam was an all-out war with over 500,000 troops engaged at peak and more ordinance droped than in WW2 by all sides combined. It also outlasted ww2: 3 1/2 years versus 9 for the active combat part of Vietnam, 18 for the total engagement. Casualties were nearly as high as WW1
And as a percentage of US population, nothing comes close to the Civil War.
Regards,
Cooter
Exactly!!
You seem to be reading some bizarre shit. The bombs were to make money and build a military industrial complex and shadow government. WW1 lasted a bit over a year for the US, we didn't have bombers, tanks or all that many canons. We had single shot rifles and a few machine guns. Have you ever read the order of battle?
But to say all out war is fought against a country without, an army, a navy, an airforce or shoes, is ridiculous even by henry kissourassingers or eagleburgerfarts. You must be very, very young. Please, help yourself to an education.
Not young dude. Look up the figures for casualties. I'm not debating if ww2 was the costliest. But Vetnam was all-out war in terms of troops, cost, time, casualties and even morale. Even though the opponents never even had a real air force. Guerilla tactics triumphed over the most advanced armed forces in the world. I agree with you about the motives behind the war, even ones you never mentioned: global heroin trade, for instance. The oil companies made out better than everyone else by inventing the Napalm bomb, which I refer to as the "Oil Bomb" . It's main purpose was to burn oil so more needed to be procured by the US Armed Services at inflated costs. And BTW, we did have tanks in ww1. That was one of the key advnaces that the US brought which was able to mobilize a war that was bogged in the trenches. It was a game changer. Read military history
Vietnam war was a scam by the Military complex to make some serious money! Follow the money.....
The 03A3 (Springfield 30-06) was not a single shot rifle. It's still a serviceable weapon.
Maybe he meant "bolt action"?
Still in use (with chromed bayonets) by the Army ROTC drill team as of late 'sixties.
Nice balance.
No, Vietnam was not all out war. Restrictive ROE, restricted weapons systems, a consideration for civilian casualties and a need to appear to be the 'good guys' kept the US from doing everything to win.
"No, Vietnam was not all out war. Restrictive ROE, restricted weapons systems, a consideration for civilian casualties and a need to appear to be the 'good guys' kept the US from doing everything to win. "
..................................
You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. I was there... Were you?
First... More tonnage of US bombs were dropped on S Viet Nam than N Viet Nam.
Second... Civilian casualties were not a consideration, either by the various governments of S Viet Nam or the US Military.
Third... Every weapons system, except Nukes, was employed in Viet Nam. Nukes were not used for the same reason that anti-shipping mines were not deployed in Hanoi Harbor... the Chinese would have retaliated with nukes...Or, the Chinese could have deployed a several million man army through S Viet Nam and pushed the American and S Vietnamese armies into the seas.
Fourth... You are simply one more revisionist historian that cannot come to grips with the fact that the US got the shit kicked out of it in Viet Nam, as did a pretty good French military before it. You have been watching Waaaay Tooo much Viet Nam combat footage on tv. The facts are the facts. Many, many Viet Namese villages were 'destroyed in order to save them'. Hundreds of thousands of S Vietnamese were forced from their villages into barbed wire 'internment camps'. That fucking moron Macnamara and his idiot chief of staff finally used their $5 calculators to figure out that the population of N Viet Nam was multiplying faster than the US could kill them.
Besides, the whole damn 'war' was nothing but a gift to military contractors.
I could continue but talking to people like you brings back too many bad memories. You need a real education kid... Try reading some real history and stay away from 'the war channel' on the tv.
usa really kicked ass too
Only issue I have with this is that Vietnam became a battle of body count and containment. Hard to get a 'W' when you are fighting within a box and hoping to bomb a country into saying 'uncle'.
Silver,
Please pay attention; this is not a game.
respectfully without green or red om
Run.
you can run but you just die tired...
" I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
-Albert Einstein
"The problem with internet quotes is they can be attributed to anyone".
-George Washington
"It's entirely possible."
-Albert Einstein
"I'll print till we all drown."
--The Bernank
"Deficits don't matter"
--Dick Cheney requoting Emperor Romulus Augustulus
+1 for the irreverent humor
+ 2 for seamlessly interweaving Roman Empire & Star Trek
Love it.
I heard it was Emperor Snuff Alufagus.
Besides, no one wants to talk about the elephant in the room ...
Regards,
Cooter
ever since he lost his memory
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
-- Pogo
EMP the weapon for WWIII
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/project-armageddon-tullett-prebon-thinks-u...
If they stepped back a pace, I think this is no more than diplomatic language for "Look at who's broke now - bitchez!"
Time for Obammy to make his moves to get reelected.
Lessee, this button bombs an asprin factory, this button takes out Israel and this little button starts the world on fire.
Now Kiddies, which button will he push???
I always said it was going to be Russia & China together. Once the USSA gets ripped to shreds, it'll be Russia & China to sort out the booty.
Hope you fat asses are working on those push ups.
I could have sworn he said BIATCH at 4:49 of the broadcast.
Or maybe it was, "BEEEEEYYYYOOTCH!"
pyat - five
Good Ebonics.
Bring it egg roll.
Eisenhower warned of the Yellow Peril
now motherfuckers all has the yellow fever
Wanna know who's going to win this one? The mouse tribe, that's who
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/9503901...
Burrowed beneath
No-one knows for sure how many people live in the shelters and tunnels, bunkers and basements of Beijing. They are sometimes called the "mouse tribe", and could number one million.
Most are migrants, sweeping into China's cities in the last decade or so, the largest wave of urbanisation in human history.
REUTERS
Our own correspondent is sorry to tell
Of an uneasy time that all is not well
On the borders there's movement
In the hills there is trouble
Food is short, crime is double
Prices have risen since the government fell
Casualties increase as the enemy shell
The climate's unhealthy, flies and rats thrive
And sooner or later the end will arrive
This is your correspondent, running out of tape
Gunfire's increasing, looting, burning, rape
Wire, 1977, Pink Flag: Reuters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL10iPcdaLwtimeless
Porcupine
there are no divisions
between things about to collide
existence, well what does it matter?
I'll exist on the best terms I can
the past is now part of my future
the present is well out of hand
the present is well out of hand
heart and soul, one will burn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9bH6R3gj0I
No it will be mutual destruction leaving Israel in charge and with 200 to 300 nuclear weapons with which to blackmail the world into submission.
Russia and China ... together? And you got nine green bumps for that at the time of this posting?
ZH readers are loosing their sharp. Get out a razor strap and think about that for a bit.
Regards,
Cooter
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Confucius say: "When enemy dead, new deal." (approx. depending on the translator)
Cooter, thanks
you noticed this, too?
I'm in good company om
1) Why is this INCONSPICOUSLY ABSENT from ALL LAME ASS STREAM PROXY MEDIA SOURCES FOR THE U.S. MINISTRY OF TRUTH (I resent this, as a potential target and/or collateral "damage" casualty of what is potentially on tap), and
2) I do believe that Russia has essentially seen the latest U.S. gestures and positioning towards Syria & Iran as the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back" in terms of intolerable (in their view) encroachment on their national security and geopolitical interests, and not only called the bet but raised it as well. I'm no national security expert of intelligence analyst, but I would not want to pay poker on this particular topic with Russia. I do believe this is not likely to be a Russian bluff.
I think they know that the West has no money now to fight this war...
To be honest, if one views this from a Russian vantage point, who can objectively blame them for their suddenly far more defensive attitude (which is apparently leading to more offensive maneuvering), given that they've seen more territory near their shores fall under the control of U.S influence or control in the last 10 years than did in the prior 40 years (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, certain former Soviet satellite states).
Hopefully, we have enough security analysts with large persuasive powers to press this point home hard with those who risk the launching of wars while not having to fight them.
Yes I think they've had enough, and I believe they've now offloaded all their US Treasuries as well.
And I think they have stockpiled their entire production of gold in reserve...
Just in case.
They also stopped exporting Palladium
http://www.mining.com/2011/11/21/palladium-prices-could-skyrocket/
Russia was the slack supply in both Pd and Pt, from strategic stockpiles. These are probably now depleted
USA unbelievably aggressive since Soviet collapse: encircling Russia, staging coups in FSU, moving NATO east, installing missile defenses. We have been in Ivan's face and he is understandably pissed.
Missile defense was quite aggressive. Bases in Poland, Check Repub, Turkey, Marshall islands perhaps Tajikistan
Latest move by Obama to station marines in Australia can be interpreted as provocative to China.
Carrier-based drones and drones that can reach any global target within 2 hours might have spooked them
"Drones will be the modern warfare gift baskets that keep on giving."
Paraphrasing Bob Woodward on the generational shift in warfare that will upend previous strategem of warfare in 21st century.
Ronnie was right about 1 thing: Star Wars. He might have been off on timing, cost, strategy and specifics...and yes he was the biggest spender of any president as a % of GDP....but the man saw something the others didn't....or heard voices
there's a HUGE backstory to that subject, might want to peel back a few layers & do some research.
oh, and RayGun was another senile glove puppet, in a long line of same.
Ponzi,
Personally, the one thing that I can not tolerate and this is to live with fear.
I don't think that I am unique in this regard. I think a lot of us were beaten several times by the school bully before we tore his ass up-----I don't believe the Russians are so different. Being in another's face is bully and cowardly.
And I hope that I am just a crazy oldman, tambien om
Two words. Petro and Dollar.
Hey, chill out dude.
It was on Fox News before hitting ZH:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/11/23/medvedev-russia-may-target-missi...
Kudos to Fox, then (something I say about any MSM source about once or twice a year, at most).
The New York Slimes & Wall Street Lackey still haven't posted this.
IF Murdoch is behind it it is BS.
Do you mean The Hedge?
Turd - This is the REAL DEAL. It IS going to happen! Maybe tomorrow, maybe next month, but it will happen. Stuff your pantry!
Maybe those Mayans were onto something
Well -- maybe. But I'll tell you, they write shit for software.
I have a Mayan Calendar app, and the damn thing won't take appointments past Dec 21, 2012.
I fear you are correct and offer these two, brief videos as guidance (the wisdom of Admiral Painter):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb0QLxcvowk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emdzsz_XvfA
While we're at it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suvv9NweYUc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gfD134ED54&feature=related
Let me check my Mayan calendar.
Does a nuclear war count as a black swan?
Depends on the shape of the fat tail of the mashroom cloud.
Anybody care about a failed bund auction anymore?
Could this affect Groupon's business model?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUH3JQjcweM
What, the US is not already completely out of control? - how many more innocent men women and children need to die? orhow many more sovereign leaders need to be assisinated before you might begin to wonder if the USA is out of control?. I digress, more important matters are afoot for the American people - it is Black Friday tommorrow - I need to lube up the credit card to buy some useless shit I don't need.
Quite a few if TPTB are going to reduce the planetary population to about 100 million.
Look at the bright side. Traffic should be lighter. You (or the one that's here alive instead of you) will be able to find a parking place near the entrance to the mall. And there'll be plenty of gasoline for everyone. (If the military doesn't use it all.)
Carbon tax to be replaced with Plutonium Tax...
Hope & Change. People voted for this.
Thanks Paul,
For mentioning the out-of-control reality that few speak of
When I read these articles that are incredible I don't spend much time analyzing them. This kind of stuff just screams: "OUT-OF-CONTROL!"
Such a rapid response to 'all hands to boats' raised the hairs on the back of my neck-----just like the Cuban Missle Crisis when I lived in South Florida. Of course, maybe it is simply cellular memory---the body has the wisdom not the mind. Ask any survivor om
From Al Jazeera:
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Western reactions
In response to Medvedev's statement, Captain John Kirby, a US Pentagon spokesman, said: "I do think it's worth reiterating that the European missile defence system that we've been working very hard on with our allies and with Russia over the last few years is not aimed at Russia."
"It is ... designed to help deter and defeat the ballistic missile threat to Europe and to our allies from Iran."
Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the NATO secretary-general, said he was "very disappointed" with Russia's threat to deploy missiles.
He said that "would be reminiscent of the past and ... inconsistent with the strategic relations NATO and Russia have agreed they seek".
"Co-operation, not confrontation, is the way ahead," Rasmussen said in a statement.
Russia has agreed to consider a proposal NATO made last autumn to co-operate on the missile shield, but the talks have been deadlocked over how the system should be operated.
Russia has insisted that it should be run jointly, which NATO has rejected.
Medvedev also said that Moscow may opt out of the New START arms control deal with the US and halt other arms control talks, if the US proceeds with the missile shield without meeting Russia's demand.
The Americans had hoped that the START treaty would stimulate progress in further ambitious arms control efforts, but such talks have stalled because of tension over the missile plan.
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Should be able to finish turkey dinner and most of the ball game before the mushrooms start growing....
and off the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15857431
Hey Rak,
I like this point of view.
We invite the Russians to turkey dinner as 'friends', but we disarm them at the door at gunpoint and------------------------------------
Happy Thanksgiving and Genocide Day om
Yeah because that worked well for the last guy who tried that.
Translation of American statement: We're gonna do whatever the hell we want to do, and try to pretend Russia is somehow unreasonable and at fault for objecting to the USSA running endless terroristic roughshod over the entire planet earth.
The US economy is fucked and Congress is totally under the control of the Corporatocracy. Time for a new war to divert attention for the sheeple, so we can all get wrapped up in the flag and get behind (Not in the San Francisco sense, of course) our brave boys. Pathetic really.
What a pathetic diplomatic effort this has been by the Obama Administration. Where is Hillary rignt now?
Great. The muslim usurper is going to get us in a world war. I wonder if he will get a second Nobel Peace Prize.
With everybody dead, there'll be "peace in our time". He should be a shoo-in if he's still alive and kickin' and he can find someone to hang it around his neck.
All out thermonuclear war -- The War to End All Wars. Woodrow would be proud.
You two just don't get it.
What do you think this was?
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/11/zionist-bullets-shot-across-obama%e2%80...
Item: Obama leaves his microphone on to tell the world that Netanyahu is a liar. Zionist flack Dennis Ross is ejected from the White House. It looks like Obama isn’t going to obey Netanyahu’s orders to attack Iran.
Item: A bullet slams into a White House window. A “lone nut,” branded like a steer by the word Israel tattooed on his neck, is arrested and charged with the crime.
It was a threat by israel to Obamma. Do what we tell you and you will not get assassinated.
Wake up! Obama has no control.
Listen Dood, Doodette, I politely suggested before that you not bring Hasbara disinto sites like Veteranstoday or MyCatbirdSeat into play here.
Do it again and it will confirm that you are not just a misinformed bystander, but a player in the great Leninist\Sionist "control the opposition" by owning both sides of the debate strategy.
Turd, please tell us what to do!, without you we afe nothing....
But how could it get out of control? The ISDA has just declared this to be totally voluntary.