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Russia Retaliates Against US: Puts Radar Station On Combat Alert, Prepares To Take Out European Missile Defense Systems
Earlier today, we presented the latest developments in the escalating possibility of an imminent air (and potentially land) campaign targeting Syria by the "western world", a move that would infuriate not only Iran, but also Russia and China, both of which have made it clear they would not sit idly by and let such an "aggression" stand. Now it is Russia's turn to retaliate. Cutting straight to the chase - in a nationally televized appearance by Russian president Dmitry Medvedev: in response to what the Russian believes is an active incursion and a potential act of eventual aggression on behalf of NATO countries in Eastern Europe (and hence the US), he he said the following (7 minutes in): "First, I am instructing the Defense Ministry to immediately put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert. Second, protective cover of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons, will be reinforced as a priority measure under the programme to develop out air and space defenses. Third, the new strategic ballistic missiles commissioned by the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy will be equipped with advanced missile defense penetration systems and new highly-effective warheads. Fourth, I have instructed the Armed Forces to draw up measures for disabling missile defense system data and guidance systems if need be... Fifth, if the above measures prove insufficient, the Russian Federation will deploy modern offensive weapon systems in the west and south of the country, ensuring our ability to take out any part of the US missile defense system, in Europe. One step in this process will be to deploy Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region. Other measures to counter the European missile defense system will be drawn up and implemented as necessary. Furthermore, if the situation continues to develop not in Russia's favor we reserve the right to discontinue further disarmament and arms control measures. Besides, given the intrinsic link between strategic offensive and defensive arms, conditions for our withdrawal from the New START Treaty could also arise." That said, he concludes that Russia is still open to dialog. However, if Obama merely intends to bomb any nation at will, we are very much concerned that everything Medvedev has just threatened will be enacted. And exponentially more so when Putin comes back in charge. One thing is certain - Russia is not North Korea, and taking this speech for more empty jawboning is probably not the wisest option.
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The guns of august ...
Meh. This is puny. Wake me up after we've launched a fully formed invasion of Syria. Old Shrubby managed to drag us into 2 land wars in Asia and Barry has only launched us into Libya.
Meaningless talk.
Tell me again why we are supporting Russia in their bid to join the WTO. Wasn't it a mistake to let China in?
"Keep your friends close [...]" etc
Medvedev sounds scared and concerned he can't penetrate NATO'S defence shield in Europe.
If the US wasn't so in the hole financially I'd say let's have at it Medvedev.
In the meantime, I think it's not in the US's interest to be fighting any wars when we are broke unless it's on American soil.
Sorry, we're not allowed to root for nuclear war. We'll just have to stick with rooting for total financial devastation.
The perpetual state of humanity is war and death. I only hope that if I am killed in combat, it is quick.
Don't hang around too many people. Large numbers of people are easy targets. And in a post-ikea magazine life devoid of big-pharma stabilizers, many of them are likely to be volatile.
People are just plain insane as hell. Find a place that's difficult to get to--out of the way, very very far away from any type of road, or city, or town.
The Ruskies see their chance to finally take max advantage against the KNOWN pussy, Obama!
Putin is all business. Even Chuck Norris is breaking into a cold sweat right now.
Suck it up Norris, with your -1s & silly little beard. You're old hat son, all about Ivan Drago these days.
That's crazy talk.
Norris sheds tears every night at the sad parody of its former glory America has become. He longs for the days in the wild slitting throats for sport, with hair that would make Bon Jovi green with envy; but now he spends his days ruminating about pending litigation & the ramifications of quantative easing on his diminishing pension pot.
Get over it - America abandoned Chuck, Chuck will abandon America.
Chuck is still the only man who can get a McRib at Burger King.
The old magic's still there.
I think Auntie Sarah will help diffuse this situation. Her house is closest to Russia.
Does she still live in Alaska, or just hunt there?
She can see Russia! Right on her iphone! Ain't technology wonderful?
I hope she's our next president, just so Bill Maher can get funny again. Really, that's about the best outcome we can hope for from any president. Unfortunately, Obama isn't funny, which is why we're all so glum. Even Steve Bell can't do much with him, unlike his inimitable cartoons of Shrub.
Does Russia usually put out warnings like this or what? crazy if they don't.
I guess Medvedev/Putin clan is REALLY worried about the upcoming elections. So, what do you do?
1) You bring back from the heap of history an old enemy.
2) You take a heroic stand agaisnt the "enemy", become the hero in the eyes of local nationalists, alcoholics, and idiots - basically 80% of the country
3) Keep reminding the people that only Medvedev and Putin can protect them from that imperialist Obama and the NATO countries (mind you that NATO ran out of ammo bombing Lybia... how can they possibly fight Russia?)
Basically, the same old playbook, as described in George Orwell's "1984", Communist Party manuals, and Karl Rove's memos.
P.S. If Ben Bernanke didn't "reflate" commodities in 2008/2009, and oil (brent) didn't rally from below $40 to $110 and higher, there would've been no russia-as-economic-entity by now. they can't survive if oil is below $60. they would have defaulted long ago if the Bernank didn't make them the bigest favor ever.
re the p.s America wouldn't be in a hugely different situation either; soldiers unpaid, society collapsing, weapons decaying etc. Would be like watching a couple of skinny rich kids fighting with rubber coated cheque books.
Right on, just a bit of posturing. Russians hate Americans and this is the best way to distract the Russian sheeplesky from the economic hardships and help papa bear win the election. As we speak, the US ambassador is receiving his bouquet of roses, a box of chocolates and a bottle of vodka from Dmitry.
Reset, suki.
Hint: You and your team would be harder to filter out, if you wouldn't get your arguments telepromted, and wouldn't be repeating them like a choir over and over..... ESPECIALLY, when you're the only ones making that repetitive argument.
Thanks for the heads-up, Adolf. Any other suggestions about how we should behave and what we should say?
Why would they be worried if they get to count the votes?
I'm the first to admit ignorance here but i just don't get the impression that putin or mededev care at all about elections. they or he or whatever they want will remain in power regardless of popular opinion. as someone else pointed out, maleable human rights!!!
there will be no elections...putin +infinity...(or 2024 which is pretty much the same thing)...i despise that man
Do not underestimate Obama. He double tapped Osama and put the Pakistan Taliban hunter killer drone program on steroids.
To him, "War is the failure of politics: It is not a political tool". Surrender is not an option.
Don't blah blah on Iraq. Obama considers Iraq the later not the former and the withdrawal treaty schedule was signed by Bush Jr.
Don't blah blah on Afghanistan. The withdrawal treaty schedule was signed by Bush Jr.
When the second sentence is "Russia's relations with the USA and NATO in the missile defense area have a long and complicated history" it's not going to be a bedtime story.
The Bears Goldilocks had to deal with were positively neighbourly in comparison.
You know when I was growing up and we would talk about armageddon, we always figured we would be the good guys. I never dreamed we would be the country bombing the shit out of everbody. It seems pretty sureal. Especially since the majority of the population just goes on their merry way shopping.
Agreed. And when I was growing up I never dreamed that I would live to see the U.S. reduced to its current state of shambles.
I don't know how old you are, but when I was a teenager in the 80s, the US sure felt like the Evil Empire to me.
A number of commenters seem to discount the coupling of the Syrian no-fly-zone with an Iranian offensive. And yet last year, the G8 made it clear that they believed Israel might attack Iran before it had the capacity to produce a nuclear weapon. The Syrian situation looks increasingly intertwined with Iran and Israel's ultimatum. All of the moves, including Russia's posturing appear related to various degrees.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/g-8-fully-believes-israel-...
Not to worry. The banksters have huge bunkers.
Bunksters. There, I said it.
"Not to worry. The banksters have huge bunkers."
Paraguayan real estate, complete with fresh, pure water aquifers, has certainly caught quite the bid.
The Bushes are selling newly subdivided "lots" as we speak.
Love this "it's low costs"
Nah war is expensive. EZ contagion now going geo-political tensions. DAX is going short on open, maybe a 2% wipeout. Unless it's party like it's 1999
oh fuck.
Bozo translation: "Hey you, Ya you the black dude married to the tennis player - I am talking to you. I am going to fuck you and your missle shield up but dont worry. I am going to drag china into it and fuck you up even more. I am going to tank your reserve currency dollar - you dont deserve it. And give me the chance and I am going to force any buyers of Russian Gass or Oil to pay in gold. I am going to set up new currency backed by gold that you wont be able to fuck with. We wont need to trade in your toilet paper bernanke bucks anymore. We need a very big war to take our lemmings mind off the fact that they are on foodstamps, are slaves to student loans and will never get ahead like our corporate friends... I mean Gingrich made millions from Fannie Mae and is in the lead.. how dumbed up are your sheep? I have oiligarchs that cant get away with you and your elected class do. Let's get this thing fired up - take our sheep's mind off the bs terrorist threat - I mean how many fake terrorist attacks can you get away with? Shoes, underwear, water system attacks, white powder, I cant belive your people still believe this shit! And how in the hell did you get the OWS morons to belive in you? That was brilliant. All I have to do is eliminate the tax on shit vodka and my sheep are happy. Ok thats it.. Lets Rock Barrock. And do not let that Ron Paul guy out - Keep him under your controlled media's thumbs.. if he gets out we are all fucked."
Love, Putins puppet
Wow. That's Bozo from WGN. I'm gonna quit commenting on lame posts and just critique on every one's avatar. Nice av, WUA.
Medeve,is no fool.
Targeting our missle defenses are one thing, trying to actually destroy them, will bring the wrath of KONG on their ass.
Russian soldiers, and the ,military is a bunch of drunkards,and could not fiht theur way out of a wet bag, against the US.
Talk is cheap.......................launch against our sites, worst mistake you ever made. Syria is a nothing to Russia, except a base for Russian power(what there is of it) in the area.
I hear the new conscripts in the U.S. armed services have great profiles on pridedating.com.
...and on cue gold is bid, crosses down...still USD buying. Info is creeping in now.
I don't sleep anymore.
This whole thing is about natural resources in the Middle East. It's not that we have a beef with Russia (or likewise) but both countries want to command the oil (primarily) though the multi-trillion dollar natural resources in Afghanistan are equally as important.
With modern medicine able to defeat most illnesses and the inability to create global war (due to the nuclear capabilities of many countries) The population is set to grow exponentially and thus natural resources are that much more valuable. Both countries (US/Russia) and even China realize this which is why we are seeing this kind of activity regarding the Middle East.
This shit aint cool! Those knuckleheads out there who love to preach and bray about "superior" US hardware and training obviously haven't been to the world's arms fair in the last decade. Super sonic nuclear torpedoes, trajectory masking missiles, drop launch missiles that you don't even need a warship to launch, knock out gasses that can do entire cities...it goes on and on. This will not go down like it did in the 1980's if we get the cold war all ramped up again.
On the plus side Gun Show inventories should start kicking it up a notch.
biowarfare.
Medvedev, STFU! You exist at our pleasure.
The reason this isn't on American TV is because America pussied out. Have a nice holiday.
Got Civil Defense Bitchez?
WOLVERINES!
Piffle. Japan now has radioactive feral ostriches. Step it up.
A word to the wise should be sufficient.
The U.S. gave up on CD in '64... you know why.
Our combined yearly income hovers just below 120k, yet over a four year period we have managed to provide ourselves with protection several orders of magnitude above the average American... and set aside 10% of this year's income as PM's.
Many of you on this site have access to funds I can only dream of. Railing about the idiocy of your elected officials, or the Bankers who control them is all very well.
Now get out there and DO something about it.
Did Obama think he could get that close to what is considered Russian waters and spheres of influence and not expect any sort of backalsh? This action by Medvedev is probably meant to place pressure on E. European nations to prevent them from participating in the overthrow of the Syrian Government led by NATO forces.Iksander Missles have a range that could easily target Warsaw. Only fitting that the USS George H. W. Bush try to start a New World Order. I'd have money on the idea that Russian Spetznaz is on alert status should the need for Russian intervention in Syria arise. Wonder what China will do about this, probably decide to kick off the end of the Ponzi scheme and dump US treasuries onto the market as retaliation.
To think the dingbat neocons (save for the good doctor) believe more war and empire building is a good idea.
One thing of note here. This applies to recent, current and future US-Russia relations. When the USSR came to an end, the USSR had an agreement that NATO would never encroach into former Soviet Bloc nations. This agreement has been breached, and the Russians are pissed off. It is no wonder that they take measures such as these when the US is violating the agreement it signed onto. I can't blame the Russians.
Right.
Ok, so check this out. My plan in case of war was to head for the gulf through the rivers from northeastern Wisconsin in my 34 foot sailboat.
Fucking cold of winter...fucking cold of war.
I checked it out, but I don't understand your upside.
The upside is he'd drown in the eddie currents of the Mississippi River.
lol
Charles Darwin approves this message.
....after he got stuck on a sandbar because the Corps of Engineers aren't getting funds to clear the Mississippi because they've all been pledged to the banksters?
based on my limited knowledge of ocean currents in this time of the year, your escape plan will make you the first illegal US immigrant to cuba
They'd call it "defection" and treat him like a king.
Only if he has $$$.
The gulf... you mean the gulf full of oil thanks to BP?
And if a big war breaks out... and the world ``ends``... how will you know if a big hurricane is heading your way?
One thing is sure, if there's nuclear war, the eastern seaboard will be a nuclear wasteland, thanks to the nukes... and the nuclear powerplants going into meltdown.
And so we go from one intervention after another cheered on by Fox, to one intervention after another cheered on by MSNBC.
7 years of unrelenting pounding of Bush by the Left over his wars, only so the Left can take power and launch THIER wars.
And you know we're doomed when the only decent covereage of this thing will be Al-Jezera and Russia Today.
If it breaks, I'd sure like enough warning to climb up on my roof top with a bottle of Smirnoff. Like the quote from "Gladiator"....when death smiles at a man, all he can do is smile back.
I'm gonna go on the top of a big mountain here in Canada and watch the fireworks over the US... shall be a good show, it's not everyday you see hundreds of nukes explode.
when in doubt...go to war...maybe that "defense" budget won't get cut after all...i don't believe anything will come of this...it's hand waving to distract from the global economic situation...oh yeah fuck putin...kraft wants his ring back
Is Syria this century's Sarajevo?
Russia intervened against Austria Hungary's retaliation in the assassination of Franz Ferdinand in the interest of Pan-Slavism. Not sure of the historic ties between Russia and Syria but given that the Russia sees the Black Sea as theirs and having a pro US and NATO regime in the region so close to their "pond" in an attempt to isolate Russia further can only encourage Russian involvement.
Turkey, thus NATO, controls the Black Sea through the Bosphorus. Syria is further away from Russia than Turkey is.
Putin, Wen and Obama, three guys who all need to get their peoples' minds off them and onto someone else. What an amazing coincidence this is happening now.
Christmakah came early for Krugman this year.
Fuck Medvedev. We should nuke Russia BEFORE we fuck with Syria.
We should take out Iran first, those assholes have never been repaid for taking US hostages when the coward Jimmy Carter was president. We should absolutely nuke Pakistan for giving Bin Laden sanctuary for the past five years.
The optimum sequence would be Iran first, then Russia, Pakistan, Syria, Afghanistan, and Yemen. Then we should nuke the Philippines and Malaysia for fomenting terrorism.
That little fucking smurf Kim Jong (mentally ) Ill should absolutely be provided gratis a massive dose of weapons-grade plutonium, compliments of a fine US nuclear warhead.
And since Israel is ALWAYS at the center of Middle East turmoil, we may as well pave over that shit-eating country as long as we are taking care of long overdue business in the Middle East.
And of course China would necessarily have to be reduced to smoldering radioactive rubble also, so solly.
We dhould not feel so much as a smidgeon of guilt for taking the fucking oil from Iran after we obliterate those fucking shit-eating diaper wearing heathens. Those cocksuckers have been undermining the war for ten years now. And Iraq fucking OWES us for freeing thier people from that psychotic tyrant Hussein. Those cocksuckers should fork over ALL their oil and thank us for not nuking them too.
Damn, dude. I'm glad you're powerless.
It's sardonic, not literal.
I see that Million Dollar had to start a new character after he made it too obvious on his last post. Tsk tsk. I don't think you blew your cover on this one. Bravo.
hahahaha
Why don't you do us all a favor and kill yourself.
Yeah, that'll. Let's turn 1/5 of the world's land mass into a cesium hot zone. Never mind that everyone lives down wind of that shit.
Oh, wait: you were kidding.
Ha HA!
I am f*cking dying here hahahahahahahahahaah
yeah why not...nuke everybody
Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.
tell us how you really feel, deep down
Smokey!
You are an authentic moron!
John McCain is that you?
you are a fool sir...and the epitome of wasted intelligence...some can split the atom...i'm surprised that you can cross the street
Stultus:
Cet idiot se nourrit de l'abus.
ora pro nobis
nunc et in hora mortis nostrae
Smokey(Jim)Quinn:
Get your sick self back to that sheepshit paddock where you are so revered. It is obvious you are lost again. ZH is not one of the hundreds of porno sites in your favorites. Pull yourself out of that alcoholic haze.
Clean your cum spattered, sticky keyboard. Then type in your homey's blog @
www.TheBeastilityPlatform.com
All the MORONs there really miss you.
If you had children (or a soul) you wouldn't feel that way.
Let's start by nuking your mother.
Smokey,
go back to fox
respectfully om
Smokey - if we nuke Israel then all our problems will go away. We will make many new friends too.
Hahahahahaha good one Smokey.
Nada
If it all goes hot, I blame Rick Perry for threatening a no-fly zone in last night's debate.
Why don't we just elect Newt Gingrich so we can go ahead and get the mass-death global war event out of the way.
Obummer is doing just fine leading us towards world annihilation. Better than anybody named Newt (short for neuter) can do.
Hey Russia, you haven’t been attacked since 1941 and a large part of that is because the US stabilized Europe. When you were attacked in 1941 it was by your ally with whom you jointly attacked Poland. You are nowhere as powerful as you think you are other than nukes. Your population is dramatically declining, their life expectancy is declining and your wealthy all seem to be somewhere else. Is the US in decline? Certainly but that is as much by the rise of the rest of the world as any actual decline.
"You are nowhere as powerful as you think you are other than nukes. "
But they sure kicked the crap out of all the Izzies, U.S. mercs and Georgians in South Ossetia! That war was over as soon as the Russian airborne troops landed and long before the tanks arrived the next day. Any man who thinks we could beat Russia in a conventional land war in her own back yard is a fool. This isn't 1995!!
Hell, in an emergency the U.S. military has to call up guardsmen to do the heavy lifting since the relatively small number of special forces, marines and navy seals are spread out all over the world doing God knows what.
Sad to say most of the 1.7 mil in uniform are nothing but a modern day jobs program. BTW, I volunteered back in 1969! It was the same back then, and it is worse now!
Yes, our Army is bad. I volunteered back in 72. But the other Armies are worse. That South Ossetia thing isn't worth talking about, it's like saying Waco showed how strong our Army is.
We have a good Army compared to the other Armies.
The Russians were tough back in 1940. But they had no choice. It was be tough or die. I was a long time in the US Infantry. We have some bad assed Americans of all racial and ethnic groups there. I am proud of our Infantry, both in the Army and the Marines. They are the envy of the world. No formal Army in the world has as much real world combat experience as the US. The Russians left Afghanistan and never recovered. Keep that in mind. Our Army is still intact.
As a WW3 vs Russia trade, i advise to take anything into the protofolio that is potash or platinum related.
This Russian hasn't a clue. Just wait until M1's and Leopards are running through Moscow.
Before our armor reaches Moscow, Russian nukes will be going off like popcorn over your home town, unless you live in a trailer in Bumfuck near East Jesus south of Nowhere, you fucking twit. And if you happen to be "lucky" enough to miss the main attack, you will soon be gnawing on your neighbor's leg bone, you brainless sack of shit.
Hey... go Fuck your self you big talking SOB. You post bad ass shit you better be that BIG Bad ASS FUCK!!
big bad ass fuck?
Ya... now go play.
What are you, Segestan... about 16 years old?
It's funny that since the 'western world' sees Iran getting a nuke as a destabilizing force, and wants to make war on the flimsiest 'iraq mobile wmd vehicle' evidence force fed to the world again (so soon), it is then claimed action is justified to make sure Iran doesn't even come close to acquiring nuclear weapons...meanwhile 'apparently if you believe the tech' the missile shield is not viewed as equally as destabilizing. As if it were to work it would take the non-west's nukes out of the equation and not expect an equally viewed concern from the other side as a threat to be virtually de-nuked. Yet somehow our idiots in gov't and the media are mostly clueless on this subject and haven't touched it for a long time.
Another funny thing is that Russia has proposed an earth shield, if you believe its eventual tech, which would shield the world from nuclear missiles, and double as a defense against incoming objects (not necessarily huge asteroids, but say like wayward satellites).
But it isn't about safety, as it is power, which of course is what in the west? Hint: Not gov'ts.
Obama is just another lackey stupid and crazy enough to ignore this obvious warning. The dumbass might be too crazy to even figure out he starts WWIII before he does it.
The idiots here in the U.S. claiming Obama is weak on neocon ideology, know nothing, as he's been more neocon than a Cheney/Bush lovechild on steroids. Obama has committed more war crimes than even Bush, in the name of 'protecting America'.
Missile shield, Iran, Syria...all the while waging war from Africa to Pakistan. What's not to be concerned about?
You have NerObama slapping China's face about so many things, all bankster idiocy. South China seas and the 'shipping lanes', even though no dispute is about 'shipping lanes'. You have China wisely protecting itself like we used to from Washington through Carter, but now instead of protecting ourself, we must say China must do this or that or else it's cheating and manipulating and there is nothing we can do?
The banksters and oligarchy are pushing hard for WWIII and very few care to see it. If they implode, and the east only 75 percent implodes, well then, the Queen won't be Queen of much then, will she!
Just like WWI and WWII, WWIII would be a monetarist game, needless in every sense of the word, but launched to prevent another region from becoming equal let alone ahead.
The worst part about this all? Is that the more tense things get, the easier it gets to actually launch the war in an underhanded manner as a third party.
Think of it like the U.S. Civil War at Fort Sumter. Who fired the first shot North or South? Some people say it was neither. There was a great colonial power that wished for it to start *cough* Britain *cough*, that aided in its starting up in every conceivable way before the war, and some say, THEY fired the first shot from one of their ships off our coast. Once the shooting begins, it's awfully hard to stop it.
Another way to look at it, is for someone to throw a firecracker in between two set of people in a standoff, what are the odds that someone will not shoot? If not the first time, what about by the tenth set of two groups?
The captured idiot gov't of the west, seems too retarded to notice before all hell breaks loose, and the oligarch is fine with that.
Impeach Obama, pass Glass-Steagall...or Fukushima might be the least irradiated place on the planet. Make no mistake, the 'west' would be the Axis, in this war.
Oh yeah, did I mention that unlike us in the U.S., Russia has multiple warhead missiles?
Isn't it amazing what the Banksters are allowed to do to us, and the world, over and over again?
JMC
A lot of wonderful words, ideas, and hopes each of us have
How about doing the obvious and just nuke the debt, let the shit fly, and get back to life?
I guess this would be considered doing-nothing and therefore unthinkable
but i would love to see it play out and how we might emerge as an altered species
it is great being an old man or woman these days
we see things that do not exist om
Here are some facts to remember:
- China recently signed a massive deal with Russia, Russia will provide China will all its requirements for oil
- Russia is not a slave to the IMF
- Russia has been arresting every Zionist Oligarch who participated in looting there country, many fled to Israel.
- Russia supplies much of Europe with natural gas
America is playing with fire here. If the middle east oil supplies going to China are shut off, China will be completely dependent on Russian oil.
If China is completely dependent on Russian oil, Russia has tremendous leverage over China. it would not be a far stretch that if America pushes Russia's buttons, they will use that leverage to get the Chinese to cut off America from its cheap goods, via a trade embargo.
Inflation would shoot through the stratosphere in the US overnight, the dollar would be in big trouble. If the middle east is so unstable oil supplies are cut off, China has Zero use for the American dollar, they only need it to buy oil from OPEC.
Russia could cut off gas to Europe, forcing them to pay in gold, or some other currency undermining the paper fiat the US uses to rule the world.
"...China has Zero use for the American dollar..."
Uhhhhhhhhhhh....except that China has almost a trillion dollars of debt denominated in it. Hyperinflation destroys their investment. Are they really willing to go there at a time when their economy is faltering?
That is a great idea, a Chinese trade embargo on the USA. Then they can sell the posion cat food to Yemen, the posioned drywall to Mongolia, the posioned toys to Burma, the posioned paints to Tahiti, the posioned milk power to Viet Nam, etc.
That would be a fantastic economic boost to China, boycott the USA market. What a great geo-political idea. Of course, the USA will collapse almost immediatly as we cannot survive without cheap TVs, PCs, and plastic crap.
What you fail to realize is that it isn't that goods would cost more if made in America, it's that the multinationals will make less profit.
You don't seem to understand that this current shit is about boosting gas prices. They NEED oil to be over $100 a barrel, or they are broke. But the further the US and European economies tank, the less gas and oil needed. If you can't increase demand, you have to restrict supply. That is what is going on.
Damn, their economy must be more screwed than our and europes...bread and circus for the masses....
YEEEHAAWWW!
The Gang of 8 better hope this thing doesn't go critical. Obama has already killed Bin Laden, and shown a lot more stones than most expected in SW Asia. And now he's got a chance at a real shooting war with definable objectives that the homeland can understand--defending Israeli, taking out an anti-democratic regime, and potentially drawing Iran into a confrontation that ends up with its nuclear facilities bombed by American air power.
These actions give him unassailable foreign policy and C-I-C credentials. Gubner Perry and his "I've been commander in chief of 20,000 reservists who can kick ass on malnourished mesicans stealing across the border" better find some new talking points...
Bin Laden died of kidney failure years ago. Wake up.
This Bin Laden?
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2003/12/17/Albright-says-bin-Laden-comment-was-joke/UPI-84391071694878/
Or this one?
http://thedailybell.com/2211/Benazir-Bhutto-Bin-Laden-Was-Murdered.html
Maybe this one?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html
Hell, for as many times that whatever Emanuel Goldstein you want has been killed (Bin Laden, al-Awlaki, etc.), they pop up like whack-a-mole:
http://www.infowars.com/al-qaeda-number-3-killed%E2%80%A6-again/
Hi Econo, the reason this isn't on American TV is because we pussied out. Have a nice holiday.
I have a daughter who is 22 months old and is the light of my life.
I am praying to God, or myself, or to that 5th dimensional being that despite the possibilty of a consciousness being in a universe with infinite outcomes, I would really enjoy the potential outcome of her growing up and me being around to see it.
So as far as war is concerned, how about we don't but just "say" we did?
We can choose NOT to do this.
somewhere in Syria, or Iran, or elsewhere in the ME is another parent feverishly wishing the exact same thing.
until we acknowledge this, and feel this, the light is faint.
I'm with you brother. I have two girls 12 and 4. I have a boy who is 9. I love my kids with every fiber of my being. And I feel powerless to do anything about these assholes who seemed bound and determined to bring us to total destruction. And all I can think about is how many families we are bombing who feel the same way. Both about their kids and the assholes dropping the bombs.
kids are just backup food stores for hard times.
DONT GET SOFT, OR YOU DONT LIVE. YOU CAN MAKE MORE OF THEM LATER ON.
In the world series of war poker, Russia has decided to play this hand. They've actually got quite a large stack of chips, and are pretty sure that Mr. Nobel Peace Prize president will fold on this one. The likely result:
1. More dead Syrians.
2. Israel won't be able to take out the nukes.
3. POTUS and company won't be able to orchestrate another undeclared war, to distract from the eventual spiral of the bond meltdown.
4. Russia, China, and Iran can start realistic plans to start eliminating the US dollar from oil trade.
5. Bernank bucks may start looking like Zimbabwe bucks.
Yes but. Doesn't the feckless Obama get his marching orders from Netenyahu? He almost admitted as much to Sarkozy when he said that he had to deal with him every day. And with the combover that Netanyahu sports, who wouldn't feel impelled to obey him?
Holy fear mongering batman! Why is none of this on CNN/NBC/BBC? Would you like a little sarcasm with you black swan on Thanksgiving sir?
It's not on TV because we pussied out.
Lots of saber rattling, but the Russian military is more incompetent than our national guard, and NATO is bankrupt...oh yeah and the US is mired in 2 unwinnable military conflicts...
Go back to sleep sheeple, nothing to see here...just another distraction...enjoy your factory farmed turkey and canned cranberry sauce....
"but the Russian military is more incompetent than our national guard" You don't know that!
If they are so incompentent then how is it that the initial wave of air attacks and paratroops sent the Izzies, U.S. mercs and Georgians fleeing within an hour?
Betting on Russian incompetence is a very bad bet. Just ask Hitler's ghost!!
Hitler's Ghost: "Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!"
I'll ask a bunch of Afghan sheep herders about the competence of their military and our national guard...will that satisfy your enquiring mind?
Did you forget your daily dose of xanex today?
Afghan sheep herders had stinger missiles.
Strange how those same Afghan sheep herders are also causing a great deal of trouble to the U.S. Imagine if they had stinger missiles...
I agree, but there is another kind of cranberry sauce? I have only had canned my whole half century of life. I thought that was the only form it took, the options being normal and "whole" cranberry, which mysteriously appeared on the shelves a couple of decades ago and seems unnatural.
Why the hell is Nato/US building a defence shield for in europe? They say,to protect europe from a rouge nuke from Iran. Hah? Military Industrial complex Bitchez!
Make NO mistake. Russia does not want NATO in Syria,Iran or Pakistan. This is their flag in the sand. It's red,white and blue. But not old glory bitchez!
Are those Katyusha Rockets I hear ?
OMG Tyler. Please stick to financial/investing articles. The political/military posts bring out the, the, shitheads.
Yes, this is important, and your two post are the most pertinent. But I had to wade through 95% bullshit posts. I am left with +1'ing snarky remarks and cool avatars.
Hah! "War" just came on the radio. Not kidding http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk . What timing
Edit: Shit. By the time I typed this, we are up to 2 pages of shit remarks. I'm gonna go watch some charts. Oh. Its a holiday. Shit. Now playing, "Our Day Will Come".
You're still a moron.
Don't forget we got a growing army of unemployed.
Gotta keep 'em off the streets, ya know.
Need to fight shadows again like during the cold war.
Obama & Libya = checkers.
Obama & Syria = 12 layer shit sandwich. Step up and take a bite Barry. Something tells me this will be beyond the capacity and scope of the "Office Max" "Reset" button from our State Department. Sorry Hillary you don't have the right stuff, this just turned into a big boys game of Russian Roulette.
Thank you for the laugh. If Medvedev doesn't get any play on the news tomorrow, we know it's pussy out time.
I'm just concerned that that egotistical ignoramus may not have a clue, and for sure Hillary doesn't. He could wind up starting a big war just to try to help out his Muslim Brotherhood buddies and not have any idea of the consequences.
Hey! Guess what Turkey Day brought us two years ago? Dow fell by 1.5% the next day.. remember the catalyst!
A blast from the past! What will it be this Turkey Day?!
http://www.bostonwealth.net/2009/12/14/dubai-musings-told-you-so/
Shit, the Russians have been fighting against guerillas and female Chechen suicide bombers for so long, it'd be a relief to have some real, multi-billion-dollar Western hardware to shoot at. Olive drab missiles with painted over red stars FTW!
You gotta wonder whether the russians have been paying close attention to the republican debates, especially the one last night. If so, it must be obvious to them that Obama is another Mao/Stalin/Hitler, and all but RonPaul (and maybe Huntsman) are also another Mao/Stalin/Hitler.
Hopefully Russia and China will start rattling their sabers big time over the next months, not only to make neo-con Obama think twice, but also make the american people think "holy crap, we don't want a freaking world war with Russia and China... so maybe we better elect Ron Paul afterall". It must be obvious to them that the only hope for a semi-sane world at this point is Ron Paul... and that is in their interests and just about everyones' interests (except the military industrial complex).
It is truly astonishing how completely evil, clueless, dangerous and irresponsible Obama and the republicans candidates are. Russia and China ought to open "super pacs" for Ron Paul. And so should the rest of the world. Not kidding!
and (ironically) (for them) RP's probably the only choice that would honor paying them back.