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Russia Retaliates Against US: Puts Radar Station On Combat Alert, Prepares To Take Out European Missile Defense Systems
Earlier today, we presented the latest developments in the escalating possibility of an imminent air (and potentially land) campaign targeting Syria by the "western world", a move that would infuriate not only Iran, but also Russia and China, both of which have made it clear they would not sit idly by and let such an "aggression" stand. Now it is Russia's turn to retaliate. Cutting straight to the chase - in a nationally televized appearance by Russian president Dmitry Medvedev: in response to what the Russian believes is an active incursion and a potential act of eventual aggression on behalf of NATO countries in Eastern Europe (and hence the US), he he said the following (7 minutes in): "First, I am instructing the Defense Ministry to immediately put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert. Second, protective cover of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons, will be reinforced as a priority measure under the programme to develop out air and space defenses. Third, the new strategic ballistic missiles commissioned by the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy will be equipped with advanced missile defense penetration systems and new highly-effective warheads. Fourth, I have instructed the Armed Forces to draw up measures for disabling missile defense system data and guidance systems if need be... Fifth, if the above measures prove insufficient, the Russian Federation will deploy modern offensive weapon systems in the west and south of the country, ensuring our ability to take out any part of the US missile defense system, in Europe. One step in this process will be to deploy Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region. Other measures to counter the European missile defense system will be drawn up and implemented as necessary. Furthermore, if the situation continues to develop not in Russia's favor we reserve the right to discontinue further disarmament and arms control measures. Besides, given the intrinsic link between strategic offensive and defensive arms, conditions for our withdrawal from the New START Treaty could also arise." That said, he concludes that Russia is still open to dialog. However, if Obama merely intends to bomb any nation at will, we are very much concerned that everything Medvedev has just threatened will be enacted. And exponentially more so when Putin comes back in charge. One thing is certain - Russia is not North Korea, and taking this speech for more empty jawboning is probably not the wisest option.
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Did someone slip a blue pill into your bedtime milk, Honestann? I expected much better from you....
If you mean "another puppet of the bankers, elites and Vatican", then "yes, indeed". But if you think he is pursuing war for American imperial interests, then "no way, baby".
Ron Paul will not bring about a semi-sane world. He won't even be able to bring about a semi-sane America!
IF they hold an election, and IF he got elected, he would be up against a hostile Congress, a hostile Administration at all levels, a hostile Supreme Court, a hostile Media ... and ... a flurry of activity in the CIA, FBI, Bilderberg, TC, CFR and the EU to neutralise and demonise anything he said or did.
The only way to disarm the mercenary army of TPTB is to totally defund Washington, DC ... by repudiating the illegal debts to the Federal Reserve and taking power back to the individual States of the Union.
What's the difference between "another puppet of the banksters, elites and vatican" and "another mao/stalin/hitler"? I mean, probably you can find unimportant differences, but both are willing to slaughter endless people without any scruples or consideration of ethics or sanity whatsoever. I mean sure, the vatican probably didn't support mao (but who knows), yet they sure did seem to have lots of backdoor deals with stalin and hitler.
I do not underestimate the difficulty Ron Paul would face as president. However, he would be the president after all, and as commander in chief he could... and would... close down 700+ military bases all around the world, and bring the troops home. He would not pull any of these egregious international stunts either. He would refuse to attack anyone absent a formal declaration of war from congress, which congress would probably not have the balls to give (and which Ron Paul would veto and require an override first).
As for your proposed solutions, what better way to achieve them than elect Ron Paul? You think he supports the federal reserve? Fiat money? TBTF? TPTB? CIA? Federal power over state and individual rights? Wake up.
Sure, RonPaul winning is a long shot. However, as stupid and manipulatable as the braindead american people are, there are some limits of insanity that even they recognize as "over the line". And one of those is picking a fight with Russia and China that might potentially escalate into nuclear war with two non-trivial countries (unlike the other small fry that everyone understands is no real threat).
You are correct that Obama is not pursuing war for american imperial interests. Obama is pursuing war for new world order imperial interests... and because his NWO masters want him to.
The difference is HBO and Haagen Dazs.
You appear to have misread my post. I was equating the two. And, yes, the Vatican was indeed also behind bringing Mao to power.
Sorry. Somehow on re-read I still misunderstand your point. But that's okay. Thanks for letting me know.
My point was that I wasn't sure if you understood the significance of your statement that "it must be obvious to [the Russians] that Obama is another Mao/Stalin/Hitler".
Most people would understand that to mean that Obama is an obsessed nationalist dictator who finally manoeuved his way to the top to rule over his fellow countrymen. Whereas - like Mao, Lenin, Stalin and Hitler - he was trained and installed by the globalists to achieve their political ends.
It was planned for Obama to become president at least 20 years before it actually happened ... and both the Russian KGB (ie. Putin) and American CIA (ie. the Dunham family) were instrumental in those plans (see here: http://www.rense.com/general84/brck.htm).
This deep and overwhelming conspiracy is also why I listed the obstacles that a President Paul would face.
Anyone who can compare the feckless Obama to that triumvirate of evil hasn't got a clue. Can't you just imagine the feckless Obama leading the Chinese long march of Mao? These evildoers had something the feckless Obama can't even conceive of: Will, ironclad determination, fortitude.
Dude, you ain't keeping up ... the O has been making the 'hard-choices' ... lots of them ... he keeps saying so himself ... he's a real go-getter
Obama: To protect the Syrian people, we must up the ante.... Medvedev: I'm allsky eeen beeech
Chess, anyone????
I was out in the forest speaking with a few of my co-residents about the human species. Oh, it went on and on---they, from the tapir de la montana to the dung beetle, could not stop asking questions. At the end of our meeting, I know that they each thought I was just telling them a lie, a fantasy, but they are too polite to say anything.
Anyway, suffice it to say that what I told them has nothing to do with our reality in the forest; and now, returning to this news, I don't know what I can say to them tomorrow when we meet again. They insist upon a debriefing each time I return, they are quite curious about our species.
So, what do I tell them? How to explain that we are threatening to alter reality on the planet should this insane posturing lead to action. I mean we don't care---we are not afraid of anything---we have been cast-in-titanium-hardened to death and destruction.
Sorry to get to this so late tonight, but our customs here took me away from the reel world for a day om
the 'real' world is probably is less of this bullshit and more of the dailing into your surroundings as you are doing.
have you ever heard of quantum mechanics?
Hell yes,
I even married two of them
man, they could really jump!
thanks it is real in the forest om
The funny thing is that if Obama blinks now, he is going to be made a fool. They will play him at will. I'd say a solid check in this chess game.
Sizzurp,
He has always been a fool
that is his role
but who are the greater fools
he is completely out of control
and some still want to vote
Now, I call that
True Faith om
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/parameters/Articles/09spring/mcdermott.pdf
For the curious, some analysis of the Russian military vs. Georgia.
whoa AUD down Gold up, thats a risk averse trade.
It's ok. The Bernank will shoot his cannon of fiat!
Bernank 2012...
Meanwhile, oil and gold are yawning...
... which makes them the only intelligent entities on the planet.
Interesting body language.
Standing straight facing directly to camera. No shifting movement, except turning head to look at next camera.
Arms straight down. Only a few movements at certain points to express points.
Facial... didn't notice too much either.
Flat steady tone in voice. I think a bit of change when sounding conciliatory or willing to work together.
Blinking... hmm pretty steady as well?
Breathing. Regular.
Maybe missed something or saw incorrectly?
He got a more advanced teleprompter system than our teleprompter and chief.
He is Putin's muppet...
We are past due... Where is Cheney when you need a good false flag to take out a few hundred thousand sheeple to move to the next level? If only he would have got his nukes! If only.
Rot for iternity in the lowest most putrid sewers of hell, all you whore leaders of PNAC and AIPAC, and Happy Thanksgiving.
Nothing like another war to boost GDP, all we have to do now is wait for a FALSE FLAG!
time to brush up on the movie red dawn and keep a school desk handy in your basement.
uhhhhh..... Wolverines !!
From having bee staunch alley of The USA in my Youth ... i now ... where I am a lot wiser ... do not longer believe all the LIES I have been made believe .. by the RULING ELITES of the USA .
If I were a RUSSIAN and being faced with an advanced Missile System on my immidiate Border i would react exactely as the Russian Gouvernment is doing
Besides of this RUSSIA does NOT wage a COVERT FINANCIAL WAR against EUROPE ..like THE USA is doing right NOW
I prefer these days to be allied with RUSSIA .. it is much more LOGICAL and USEFULL ..for EUROPE than being allied with the USA who has done NOTHING but CHEATING and STEALING European CAPITAL since the 2nd World War
Yes, the plunder of Europe after the American conquest. I remember it well. Didn't we unbolt toliets and carry them home in our tanks, only to discover that they don't work without plumbing? Or was that the Russian mongolian troops, I can't remember. Yes, the financial rape of the UK, France, Italy and Germany by the USA. yep.
the covert financial war is just special FX
the covert financial war is just special FX
how long have you been like this?
hopefully, just since you got off work and got rolling!
Cuban Missile Crisis Part II - except this time we have a moron in the White House.....this can't be good!
All of you don't seem to remember that Russia deployed nukes against Georgia back in 2008 in case the US entered the conflict.
Russia nuclear doctrine was changed a few years ago to include tactical nuclear weapons use if ``high tech weaponry`` is used against them since their conventional army sucks.
So if the US had entered the war alongside Georgia and used cruise missiles/F-22s against Russia forces, under the doctrine, Russia could have used nukes.
Russia knows the western elite is fucking insane and drunk with power.
Hell between giving contracts to corporations trading kids and women (DynCorp), stealing trillions of bucks, starting illegal wars, torturing, overthrowing countries (Ukraine, Georgia, Libya, Greece, Italy, etc... ), supporting dictatorships (Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, etc) etc... and attacking Russia, there's not a big stretch, and Russia knows this.
All of you seem to underestimate the madness of the western leaders.
notwithstanding the west and the eurozone are broke as a fucking joke and are grasping for straws at this point.
That too. Drunk with power + economic crisis = war. Russians are not stupid.
Damn it, lolmao,
Your last sentence is the most profound of the night.
All of you seem to underestimate the madness of the western leaders.
brilliant! om
"All of you seem to underestimate the madness of the western leaders."
As compared to the sane KGB rulers of the Russian Federation? They are all puppets of the banksters. When they get out of line they send another puppet against them, or create a new one.
At least the KGB rulers are nationalists, not globalist scum selling their countries to the bankers.
Moe
What does the KGB have to do with
"All of you seem to underestimate the madness of the western leaders."?
please stay on point, boy. This is not a beauty contest; the phrase just rings with truth, and it stands alone.
respectfully om
Sixth. I am going to go behind this curtain and masturbate while I click my heels three times.
Some say the cold war kept the kleptocracy at bay..Is there anyone anywhere that would not prefer to see the 1% attacked...
axial growth pains
axial growth pains
all violence consists in some people forcing others, under threat of suffering or death, to do what they do not want to do...
- leo tolstoy
distabilization is better than occupation when a hegemony is overextended
distabilization is better than occupation when a hegemony is overextended
and like mithridates, strive not to be immune to the strongest poisons.
i prefer cato
Yes! The time to cleanse the earth of the pestilence is at hand. The final crescendo of the elite vs. the moron orc hoard. Burn the dirty animals in nuclear fire. Restore the balance between humans and nature. Nature and Moloch are one.
you shame yourself and everyone you know
I'm pretty sure someone claiming allegiance to Moloch has some sarcasm going, but maybe the Kabbalah now requires you to out yourself in public. One never knows these things.
maybe another tiberius grachus is in order. just as the human gene gestalt of 7 billion perpetuates our fitness as an organism, in a well provisioned millieu the human idea could grow, adapt, and persist in the same vein
tiberius ordered that condemned men 'after long and exquisite tortures be cast headlong into the sea before his eyes, while a band of marines waited below for the bodies and broke their bones with boathooks and oars, to prevent any breath of life from remaining in them'
- seutonious tib 62.2
US is always good @ starting and entering into war; it's the follow-up and leaving that they have trouble with!!!
If you are good at ``starting`` then you are good at nuclear war. Because that's the only thing you need to be good at.
Nuclear first strike against Russia then the missile shield taking down the few last dozens of Russian missiles is what Russia fears. And they are right. The missile shield warheads can be put on F-16s, on the ground and on sea.
The final plan includes THOUSANDS of interceptors in the air, land and sea.
First strike taking out 50-90% of Russian nuclear missiles... interceptors taking out much of what's left... and a few acceptable losses. The elite is crazy enough to do it.
With START reducing the number of missiles allowed, taking out much of Russian nuclear forces in a first strike is getting easier and easier.
And the subs, numbnuts? Ever hear of an SLBM?
Ever hear of submarine hunters? US submarines are always following Russian subs.
And interceptors will be installed on all US coasts. They can take out those missiles.
That is a really scary comment. Like someone turning on a light in a dark room, to reveal lots of nasty things with sharp teeth.
lolmao
another green for just putting these boys and girls straight on nuclear war:
sun ra - nuclear war - YouTube"You can kiss yo ass GOODBYE"
thanks om
secondly, how about bailouts for people who have acted responsibly for the last ten years? i think the money better administered. the same people who have paid the surcharge of other people's easy money with their own cash, few but good investments. think of how much of most people's luxury of licence to buy unbanked i fincanced i guess patriotically with my cash. i need recuperation of that endorsment to which i had no choice.
Maybe some punctuation and less run on sentences, and we could figure out what you are trying to say. Or perhaps that's too much to ask.
They should be on alert. Who knows who the Nobel Peace Prize Winner in Chief (NPPWC) will attack next?
and on the issue of campaign finance, sounds much like landowners only have the right to vote like that of elder republics. if anything may we exile one politician a year? i have a black stone burning in my hand
and on the issue of campaign finance, sounds much like landowners only have the right to vote like that of elder republics. if anything may we exile one politician a year? i have a black stone burning in my hand
yes, and you can take it to bed with you
night-night!
Got iOSAT Potassium Iodide? I figured I was going to need these before the expiration date.
And my family still thinks I'm crazy!! They will wake up just like everybody else before long.
Well, while we're still alive, KEEP STACKING THE PHYZZZ!!
The Russians & Chinese aught to stop bidding for US debt. Within weeks the US would destroy itself.
And then what the US military would do ya think? Russia is preparing it's military first. Then they will pull the rug.
To all those who believe Obama is calling the big shots in the shit house, do I have a deal for you:
Shares in my Dear Departed Communications Company are on offer dirt cheap.
The USA spends 700 billion dollars on the military every year. Russians and Chinese spend 175 billion dollars on the military a year. I'm not even going to count UK and France which spend more than Russia.
Do you really think Russia has anything of significance with their tiny military budget? They would have to spend 40 percent of their money to acheive the same amount and China would have to spend 10 percent of their budget.
Its simply not economically viable for Russia to do so (they would have nothing left), and it would bankrupt China to spend that much. So lets say the USA spends 40 percent of their GDP on military the same in comparison of Russia to match the USA. China and Russia would have to buy lots of diapers because they would shit their pants all over the place. And secondarily with both countries nuclear capable, what difference would expeditures make for a military. The United States would not have to spend a dime, they already have this capability. Another silly remark made by a second world country trying to pretend they have a say so.
Even with huge cuts to the military budget the USA will still outspend China and Russia (it could be cut by 525 billion dollars a year). The only question is whether China financed the war in Iraq and Afghanistan which they essentially did, so they are not all lilly white. If the Chinese did not buy treasuries the Iraq war would never have occured. Guess who is to blame? Even so if they spend their foreign reserves they have enough for 4 years of military spending American style. Not likely, it would be very evident of what their intentions would be, and it would crush their military. WHen the USA cuts their military budget, They pay off the debt. China loses all that extra money.
How many submarine-launched nuclear missles (from 15 miles at sea) by russia do you think it will take to vaporize DC, NY and the rest of the coastal cities in the USSA? Because the extra cost to Russia would be just about zero.
If you think you can measure anything based upon "dollars spent", why not remember Vietnam before you go off half cocked. The USSA wastes money like you cannot believe. The point isn't "winning a war". The question is, will the entire world sit back and let the USSA do abso-freaking-lutely any number of egregious things they freaking want --- forever?
The USSA today is run by the biggest bunch of a-hole predators the world has ever seen. At some point, someone just might decide "too much already".
@Honestann, thats not called "Wasting dollars"! Thats called buying votes, paying off pals and feathering nests for retirement. Sheesh, it only LOOKS like wasting dollars.
You are correct. It is only "wasting money" to 99.9999% of us. To the other 0.0001% it is money well stolen.
I'll just say you are presuming it was an ICBM, and that it, if it was an it, came from a strategic competitor state.
I have seen nothing to that effect but supposition.
Here's another unsubstanciated supposition of no worth or means to verify;
That it was a 'false-flag' event staged by the USSA to elicit such assumptions, worries and chatter?
I don;t presume it was a foreign missile from a sub, because I know a thing or two about the US's long-wavelength long-range passive sonar capabilites and its constant monitoring of the location of all such nuke capable sub positions. It's the underwater equal of over the horizon radar, and like OTHR radar, it is suplemented with many shorter range systems to winnow out the actual real targets from the plethora of contacts and noise.
I would be almost confident this was not a foreign sub launch, or if it was the US knew that sub was there all along, and was watching it when it launched a missile and it scared the crap out of them, or more likely, it was a US operation, and I do not assume it was a heavy missile. I have seen photos that looked very much like a wind-distorted dispersing contrail to me.
Perhaps you might want to calibrate your figures by taking into account how much of the US war budget is taken up by consultants, pensions, rehab, management and above all paying way over the top for any goods or services provided by Haliburton and Co.
Also, you don't need to overspend when it comes to atomic weapons to achieve a sufficient result.
Listen! I read somewhere that millitary type toilette bowl in US costs 700$, I guess it cost probably 10$ in China and 15$ Russia. Gallon of gasoline for troops in Afghanistan 700$ also, just don't compare numbers ok!
The Russkies make damn fine missles and Klashikovs. Those Grads rockets from Libya to Hizbollah increased their accuracy from zero to almost dead on.
USD selling pressure continues and the prospect of an equity xmas rally and EURUSD bullish spike returns.
http://stockmarket618.wordpress.com
My anger can't even reach the bottom of the bathtub...
And I think nobody said this yet... Titor right again? We still have a little more then 3 years before nuclear war. So you have time to build your underground silos.
Why do I feel like laughing? Are we on Defcon 3 already? Where's my Stetson?
"There's no time for coffee, tea, or milk, we're doomed."
"Oh, well then, how about a martini?"
i may be wrong about this (there's a first time for everything L0L) and i'm not gonna wise around too much, but this whole thing seems really staged to me
not just comrade m's video, but the whole US-ruskie situ
now the impression i base this on is from last summer sometime; well before the fall of tripoli: here's bilary & the russian ambassador showing their skirts in DC and our SoS is saying how very much she wants the moQ removed and the russian guy is holding her hand and kissing her and telling her how much he loves us all!
yeah, i know!
here is russia, a great friend of the moQ, experienced in the international counterpoint of competing to prop and win the the props of some very strange strong-man dictators, and russia just kissed our ass
granted, the propaganda was overwhelming and the hague had criminalized him and his regime and family, but still~~~they gave it to us. diplomatically. one hand washed the other. and, russia went on to recognize the revoCouncil as the legitimate goobermint, and has worked thru all the UN stuff, too
so, i think this is quid pro quo in a sense. it is not impossible (in my mind), that the US was afraid things were moving too fast around iran and syria and maybe egypt and the mid-east (MENA), and russia is gonna be the traffic cop and hold up the STOP sign and they divvy up any shit they may score, later
these clowns are a little more dramatic, though, eh?
in another decade they'll probably leak the news that russia joined NATO in the waning daze of the clinton administration
who tf knows?
oligarchs gone wild!
is their political & financial system in terminal humpty-dumpty mode, or what?
...wunnerful, wunnerful...
They are HAARP electromagnetic scalar wave weapons.
Tesla technology.
Earthquakes made to order.
Supposed to provide missile defense shields ... disable incoming.
Russia had EM weapons first. US played catchup.
Lotsa luck.
Few people understand the extent of this - knowledge of plasma physics required!
as expected, nobel peace price from china - preparation for warlord comeback. Epic
And now for your retro listening enjoyment, the Soviet Union National Anthem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXIUNEtw8Q
My Armenian friend in the army used to hate it when I started whistling that tune. He'd have to whistle along, then start bitching about Turks....
New word:
Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
Have always maintained the US would pick a fight one day where the other side have more that sticks and stones to throw back at them.
i would guess: not a US veteran
ZATO vs Mad Vlad... place your bets Ladies & Gentlemen ... puuuuleazzze.....
To avoid unecessary collateral damage, lets settle this mano-a-mano: A Tag-team of the three girly-men (CaMoron, SarkSleazy & Obumma) vs Vlad the Impaler... my money - it goes without saying - is NOT be on the three phaggots.
The Russians have no need to worry about Europe / America.... they are both imploding from the greatest debt crisis in history.
And a good old Hell March...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsIw8k8u_1Q
Too many people posting in this thread like to pretend they're important. Fact is that if any of you smartasses knew any current operational military capabilities of either US, China or Russia you wouldn't be posting here without begin: a) shot and/or b) charged for treason before being shot, so please stop trying to prove you're tough by typing some text on a computer.
Get some popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show.
too many + 1, now
Fair enough. Thank you.
Hahaha!
i know what you mean tho, too
Slewie, you Slew me, +1...
Plox, save your one-upmanship for the gullible. One does not require a top secret clearance to recognize that nuclear war with Russia is insanely reckless when it is commonly understood by those reading open source information that sub-launched missiles are too close to stop, and that 70% of the US population lives within 100 miles of the coasts. I recommend you shoot yourself.
Ignoring your pointless hostility, I would agree with your observation regarding sub-launched missiles, but do you honestly think that a conflict over Syria would escalate to all out thermo-nuclear war? I find that extremely unlikely.
Any discussion of Syria was absent from the post to which I took exception.
What then compelled you to reply in the first place? I entirely agree, that a sub-launched thermo-nuclear war with anyone is reckless and a really really bad idea if you plan on living on the planet in the next couple hundred thousand years. Beyond that, what does that have to do with my complaint, that some people who pretend to know what their talking about are rampant? Your comment is spot on, but I don't believe it fits what I was originally referring to.
Fact is that you dont have to know the current operational military capabilities of either US, China or Russia -that's just implementation detail.
What you do have to know how all this is planned/rigged to play-out on the big chess-board... capiche? Thought not.
Would that be Zbigniew Brzezinski's Grand Chess Board?
Brezinki's? Nah - Zbig the Pig's chessboard is the kiddies version.
Yep, Zbig is the grey eminence behind David's CFR. His views can be seen in the dark masters' bi-monthly, Foreign Affairs. Since ZH is anti-oligarchy, I'm guessing you had something else in mind. The next chess moves? For me, it's guesswork, but I find intriguing the rumor that Germany may be turning east.
I wasn't disputing any of that. I was observing that many posters pretend to know more tham they actually do.
Since you brought it up, could you please elaborate on the planned/rigged part? I'd like to know what the outcome of the conflict, if any, will be.
This is really ... uh oh, complete and utter bullshit.
The speech means the following: Unfortunately our conventional forces are so weak, we always have to resort to strategic nuclear weapons if we want to feel some national glory. Our early warning system is at best able to detect missiles twelve hours a day, the other twelve hours we are blind. Our new Bulava SLBM is complete rubbish and does not work. But if ... it works we will build some new SSBNs to carry them really. And the we will build all new super bombs which will kill you all really.
Oh you mean like patriot missles being built by american prisoners? I'm sure those will work well.
http://www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/articles/defense-industrial-b...
Clear off US, go fight a war about someone attacking your own country for a change!
I am in Europe and I don't need no US stinking army stirring up trouble for me. Stop putting me and other Europeans at risk with your glory seeking and bully boy tactics
And the world says that NATO statement that the missile shield is aimed at Iran is 'total bullshit.'
George Washington hacked Tyler Durdens account. That is the only conclusion I can draw from thus article.
From the Far East
Message for Obama
For Gay , Crooked , Wicked Presidents like you, we have a very thick and very long Bamboo
And this one gives no pleasure- please note.
You get Bambooboarded for all your waterboarding
Gee, I thought that Russia was another successful Obama foreign relations coup. Now we have Obama working hand in glove with the Muslim Brotherhood to lay the groundwork for another multi-nation war against Israel. I guess the US will dictate a peace treaty to the Israelis and Dear Leader will be up for another Nobel Peace Prize and the big job at the UN. It's pretty obvious that this administration is populated with fools and incompetent fools. Replace Obama with Hillary? That's like replacing Tweedle-Dee with Tweedle-Dum.
DM has his poker face on, now let's see the flop.
Perhaps someone in the USA, particulalry in the area of political and governanve leadership, should review some relevant history: The again, perhaps all people should get a real education?
Robert Welch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZU0c8DAIU4&feature=related
Verbewarp: http://verbewarp.blogspot.com/2011/08/delusional-economics.html
"What needs to be said, has been said." pjb
german government prepares for Eurobonds despite official "NO" - reports german newspaper. Its only a matter of time
article (in german)
http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/politik/8934-eurobonds-kommen
Eurobonds: Germany has gone from "Nein" to "Jein" in one day. Here is the response of an average German taxpayer to the Eurobond proposal from the site evolutionx links us to:
Ich höre jetzt auf zu Arbeiten.
Meine Regierung haut mein sauer verdientes Geld ja doch nur zum Fenster raus.
Translation:
I am no longer working.
My government is just throwing my hard-earned money out the window.
Fazit: I would not expect German GDP to remain positive in 2012 with a nation of angry workers who now refuse to work.
Such a surprise !
It is all hogwash. Vote down the post a million times if you must but eurobonds will be a reality very soon. Almost immediately thereafter everything will be far rosier than they are now.
The US will get into some other huge distraction with Russia and will slowly fade.
The New America will have a much more socialist character.
He who has the gold make the rules. Not some stupid, two party, set up job and democracies, republics, elections and crap.
title should have been - Russia Begs for Mercy
they're ready to play ball
“1849: Gutle Schnaper, Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s wife dies. Before her death she would nonchalantly state,
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none."
Fitch: Portugal Junk
now 3 countries in Euro-Zone junk
http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/wirtschaft/8935-fitch-portugal-junk
Now it's Russia's turn to bankrupt America through Military Spending
Obama bitch-slapped
Hillary bitch-slapped
Euro-lande bitch-slapped
Salt beef, bitchez!
his 'Fifth' point is ALL you need to know... ok back to turkey and gold now bitchez
Putting combat systems on combat alert is the thing you do before you open fire ... with nuclear weapons.
This is very DANGEROUS. It is the most serious threat you can possibly issue.
This is not playing diplomatic tiddly-winks.
The USSA will respond in the usual cold war way, to match every move, so they will immediately raise their global strategic umbrella and start to prepare for a potential nuclear combat.
And at some point very soon, they will have a bit of a frank chin-wag about what's going on in the middle east
And Obama and Israel will be forced to call-off the attack on Iran and Syria.
Assuming you are correct, this sure makes me think of WWI. Even the preceding Gilded Age seems to match up with where we are now. Get everything on a war-footing and war becomes a distinct possibility regardless of gamesmanship and posturing.
IMHO this is not only electoral posturing but serves a number of economic strategy goals.
Primo, Russia is a major supplier of materials and technlogy to
both Syria, whose regime has been spending on infrastructure,
and Iran (some say including nuclear expertise).
Secundo, geopolitical interests in central asia, especially rights to
trans-asian pipelines mean Russia stands to gain if it establishes
itself as the white palladin protecting independent muslim states in
the region.
Tertio, as a net exporter of energy and commodities an escalation
in perceived threat drives up volatility and prices and makes it a clear
winner in the rat race against the West (US) and the East (CN).
The "New World Order" would like to get the population down to 1/2 billion and that will not happen through natural coarses. The Bilderburgers will be heading to their deep holes.
Tyler,
I appreciate your bizarre sense of humor and your penchant for baiting the crowd. A topic like this is a blank canvass, upon which the starving artists who frequent this site can paint whatever they wish, from Lizard People Illuminati 33rd Degree Freemason CFR NWOs to the ubiquitous "classic" false flag (I must have missed Espionage 101 in university where this and other "classics" were taught). Yes, the leaders of the world have such conflicting passions for the psychopath Bashar al-Assad that they are willing to wipe out all life on Earth for it! I'm constantly amazed at the "knowledge" so many posters here have, with links aplenty to back up their sometimes conflicting assertions of who is in charge and what this all really means. I suppose this coming nuclear conflagration should be equally as devastating as the last dozen attacks of Iran or Middle East conflicts that have been predicted by our assembled multitudes.
I may be wrong, but I suspect the long lost Marla is sitting somewhere, glass of wine or something more stout in hand, laughing away at what a couple of ex-finance types with a server and an insomnia problem have wrought. Good on you all.
Good question: Where is Marla?
"A topic like this is a blank canvass, upon which the starving artists who frequent this site can paint whatever they wish"
More eloquently stated than my "95% bullshit comments" statement from last night, but the same meaning. BTW, I expected a lot more -1's than that.
chindit13, you always ruin our fun...
What the fuck are we doing in Syria?
There are Christians there who need to be exterminated.
Just like there (were) in Kosovo, and Iraq.
Get to work proud Americans.
Well, at least we got the Turks on our side. They are the 6th largest military power.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
I grew up in the 80's and we all lived with the real and imminent threat of a nuclear exchange hanging over our heads. My cohort is probably the most knowledgeable and realistic about the destructive consequences and probability of survival (zero) after a nuclear exchange. The sheepish generations before me believed that they could survive by ducking under a table, and the spastic modern generation have images of small, tactical nukes exploding harmlessly away in the distance. Most people I talk to believe a full scale nuclear war is survivable and most Americans seem to think a nuclear war is winnable as long as they have anti-missile "shields". They are all completely insane, and I dare say that until they see what happens after a high yield nuke hits one of their cities they will never, ever understand the vile nature of keeping, encouraging, developing, and using genocidal weapons designed to do one thing: Wipe out all civilians - Wipe out countries.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
We had two great chances to stop the ideological conflicts of the 20th century forever. During perestroika and glasnost, closer political ties with Russia could have seen a completely different present. Someone - possibly Israel prevented the two superpowers from coming together by sowing distrust. During the past 5 years, the Russians almost begged the US to stop putting in missile bases in Eastern Europe, and even this year suggested that a joint missile defence system could be deployed instead. It all fell on deaf ears and now we are seeing the beginnings of the cold war redux. Russian media have been playing the placing of America's missile "defence" system to protect against "rogue" states for over a year now. The utter bullshit Pentagon explanation of placing missiles in Europe to protect against "rogue" states like Iran and NK have worn very thin, and this is the result. Thank you leaders of America, you stupid cock sucking warmongering bastards. Enjoy your nuclear winter.
Have they ever done a study on the effects of nuclear power plants going into meltdown after a nuke war?
They are all completely insane, and I dare say that until they see what happens after a high yield nuke hits one of their cities they will never, ever understand the vile nature of keeping, encouraging, developing, and using genocidal weapons designed to do one thing: Wipe out all civilians - Wipe out countries.
Except today's nukes are NOT high yield nukes. They are small ones. But lots of them, they can cover a much bigger area. And a nuclear war wouldn't wipe out everything. Would most of the world miss arrogant USA? Doubt it. Yes tens of millions would die in America, but at least half the population would survive.
South America would survive, Central America, Asia... The only ones taking out would be a few cities in Canada, America, Russia, Europe, Guam, Israel, few cities in South Korea, few cities in Japan, few cities in Australia...
Most of the world would survive.
Yes. Think Fukushima x 104 commercial nuclear reactors, and god knows how many military. We now all know that shutting down a nuclear power plant is not like flipping an "off" switch. Electrical power has to be supplied constantly to generators and cooling pumps until the spent/active rods are sufficiently cooled, so in a nuclear war, with literally everything - infrastructure & people - wiped out in one strike, all of those nuclear stations will go into meltdown, with possible exception of a direct strike which may disperse the rods preventing fission.
Edit: I've often had people tell me that today's nuclear warheads are tactical and not high yield. That is so beyond stupid, I cannot tell you how much I disagree. Let's take the UK's primary nuclear deterrent bought from America: The Trident system.
A single missile holds 8 warheads (Can hold 12, but limited by treaty to 8). Each warhead is W88 yielding 475 Kilotons. Compare it to the one dropped on Hiroshima or Nagasaki (12 kilotons and 20 kilotons). You can see that the destructive power of a single warhead is over 20 times, and for just ONE MISSILE, it is 160 X more powerful than the most powerful bomb (Big Boy) dropped on Japan during WWII. Again, that is for just ONE MISSILE. There are thousands of equivalent and greater missiles in each countries' arsenals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield
Very good point. Beyond counting all the actual reactors, one has to account for all the spent rods which are still in cooling as you already pointed out. But with nuclear waste storage facilities always being an environmental issue, used rods tend to stay in forced cooling for years after they've been decommissioned. How many of them there are is anyone's guess, but they do add to the potential threat if neighbouring rods loose said cooling.
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/science-technology/Worlds-Nuclear-Pl...
It's just a fraction of the 70,000 metric tons of nuclear waste that U.S. nuclear plants have produced over the past sixty years, according to the U.S. Government Accounting Office.
Thanks for the link. I thought it was purposely vague about the actual fraction of the on-site storage. What really got my attention though, was this: "Over the past six decades, the world has built some 400 nuclear plants, and none of them has a permanent, long-term storage plan for this lethal waste." Nice.
that is cause nutters that be have decided in order to bring back messiah to our planet, we have to make armagedon happen. so you see, there is no need to worry, once the nuclear missiles are in air, all righteous will be saved.
You are totally and completely wrong about the yeilds being small. Could not possibly be more wrong.
Have you looked at what's in the US arsenal? And also looked at the delivery systems and what they deliver.
Have a look and try and convince yourself they are low-yeild, just count up the total yield (many are variable multiple yield designs) and divide by n warheads.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq7-2.html#usa
I did this about five years back and it came out to about 16 times Hiroshima at that time.
The Russian arsenal was even worse.
Don't kid yourself, these bombs did not suddenly get smaller.
The USA was making man-portable micro-nukes in the 1950s for krists sake! They are nothing new or razzamataz mate.
Small nukes are not some sort of new fucking paradigm, small nukes were what ALL of the nuclear powers STARTED WITH.
Within ten years of their intial development these went from weighing many tonnes, to becoming man-portable, via two-man paratroop teams, that could be inserted quietly behind enemy lines.
The US and Soviets were both fielding hundreds of short-range missiles with low-yeild, 1 to 10 kiloton tactical weapons, in the late 1950s, and early 1960s.
These had INS precision delivery with sub 100-meter radius of probable impact from the mid-1960s. These tiny nukes have been there all along.
But the big ones still dominate the arsenals by a huge margin.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/
The yields don't matter. It doesn't make it worse.
A 15kt (Hiroshima) nuke will give people first degree burns at a range of 2.6 miles... and kill everyone within a range of 0.43 miles.
Russian nukes have warheads of 550kt.
A 550kt warhead will kill EVERYONE within a range of 1.54 miles and give first degree burns to people within about 10 miles.
I still think that more than half of Americans would survive a nuclear war.
Life always finds a way! :)
What about the warheads that are measured in megatons rather than kilotons? You know, thermonuclear "hydrogen" bombs...
Probably none of them will be used really. Megaton nukes are so 1960.
It's obvious that these big bombs are unusable for any sane or even true military purpose. So why do these big-hitter bombs make up the majority of the arsenals in ALL the declared nuclear powers if no one will ever use them in a no-holds-barred strategic war, like WWII?
First you say the yeilds don't make it worse ... and now you say they will only use the small ones any way ... WTF?
Piss-off, you're not even trying to make sense.
Oh do piss off, it matters in several key and extremely obvious ways.
If you double the radius of a circle, the area of that circle increases by 3.8 times. That's 3.8 times the damage and casualties for any large city. In the example you gave the radius increase was actually 4 times larger. Whilst the area affected increased by 3.8 x 3.8 times, or a 14.4 times increase in the area affected by first degree burns.
If you think yield, "doesn't make it worse", you could not be more wrong. What you're in effect saying is just like proportionally asserting that an 18lb bomb has the same effect as a 550lb bomb. If yield didn't "make it worse" them US and Russia would never have bothered to make 25 megaton free-fall bombs, because according to your logic a 20kt bomb could do about the same devastation.
A Hiroshima yield class fireball (of ~18 kt) is ~100 to 150 meters across. A 550kt weapon fireball is more like 750 meters across. But that's beside the point because the energy streaming out of it is still a linear increase when distributed spherically, so it's still going to be an explosion that's ~27 times more energetic and intense.
With a 20 kt bomb a large portion of people within 5 miles will survive.
With a 550kt bomb very few will survive within 5 miles.
On top of this, fallout distribution strongly correlates with yield, the higher the yield, the greater the total fall out, and the higher the plume cloud goes, and the further it travels, and is deposited in highly lethal levels over a proportionately larger area - killing and sickening far more people, and environment. The bigger the bomb, the more people are killed and injured.
Almost the only thing that matters with regard to area effects of a nuclear weapon is the efficiency of a design to use more of the fuel, to create the greatest compression and energy release yield possible before core disassembly occurs. The only other real considerations are miniaturisation, operational safety, reliability, core cooling, and delivery mechanisms.
"The yields don't matter. It doesn't make it worse" ... ... yeah, ... riiight.