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Russia Retaliates Against US: Puts Radar Station On Combat Alert, Prepares To Take Out European Missile Defense Systems
Earlier today, we presented the latest developments in the escalating possibility of an imminent air (and potentially land) campaign targeting Syria by the "western world", a move that would infuriate not only Iran, but also Russia and China, both of which have made it clear they would not sit idly by and let such an "aggression" stand. Now it is Russia's turn to retaliate. Cutting straight to the chase - in a nationally televized appearance by Russian president Dmitry Medvedev: in response to what the Russian believes is an active incursion and a potential act of eventual aggression on behalf of NATO countries in Eastern Europe (and hence the US), he he said the following (7 minutes in): "First, I am instructing the Defense Ministry to immediately put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert. Second, protective cover of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons, will be reinforced as a priority measure under the programme to develop out air and space defenses. Third, the new strategic ballistic missiles commissioned by the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy will be equipped with advanced missile defense penetration systems and new highly-effective warheads. Fourth, I have instructed the Armed Forces to draw up measures for disabling missile defense system data and guidance systems if need be... Fifth, if the above measures prove insufficient, the Russian Federation will deploy modern offensive weapon systems in the west and south of the country, ensuring our ability to take out any part of the US missile defense system, in Europe. One step in this process will be to deploy Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region. Other measures to counter the European missile defense system will be drawn up and implemented as necessary. Furthermore, if the situation continues to develop not in Russia's favor we reserve the right to discontinue further disarmament and arms control measures. Besides, given the intrinsic link between strategic offensive and defensive arms, conditions for our withdrawal from the New START Treaty could also arise." That said, he concludes that Russia is still open to dialog. However, if Obama merely intends to bomb any nation at will, we are very much concerned that everything Medvedev has just threatened will be enacted. And exponentially more so when Putin comes back in charge. One thing is certain - Russia is not North Korea, and taking this speech for more empty jawboning is probably not the wisest option.
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Nice application of elementary math. This would make a great lesson for high school students. They would never forget it. But woe to the teacher who faces the wrath of their parents after having thus "frightened" the poor babies.
Thermonuclear stuff is pretty clean, though. The only significant fallout is from the fission primer.
We have fired off dozens of large H-bombs over a period of 40 years. Yes, it fucked up some areas and killed some of the folks in the worst-hit locations, and it impacted life-expectancy for a lot more of them.
But in a major exchange, the real threat to human life is the initial blast and the damage to infrastructure that prevents the survivors from feeding themselves.
Agreed, though when you look at a map of actual radiation intensity of fallout from a megaton-class munition, to a fission bomb, there is no comparison. One is a fire cracker (Hiroshima), the other is the hammer of the godz.
+1
well said.
Totally right. Russia's enemy is the American government, they hate those warmongering fools like most people in the world.
America needs to overthrow the scum running it before they go too far and it leads to Russia nuking all of us.
Totally correct. How can people even contemplate the use of nuclear weapons. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITrXVJMKeQ&feature=results_main&playnext...
Helen Caldicot is the best on the grave danger represented by nuclear reactors. Your point about the risks of these reactors melting down like Fukashima after a nuclear exchange represents a danger that is at least equal to the danger represented the bombs themselves.
All we can do is pray, we ordinary mortals with no say in our own destiny.
Very, very carefully considered and articulate line in the sand speech. This is most assuredly not empty rhetoric; it is meant to be taken very seriously. Honestly, I think they waited as long as they possibly could for this but the provocation has simply gone too far. Happy Thanksgiving Bummer you clueless moron (I wonder if he has got the slightest clue how serious this is).
Iondine
It would be much more effective if they just sold their dollars, treasuries and bought PM, introducing a new PM backed currency. This kind of reasonable speech will get nothing in return.
516 billion USD sits in Moscow, they could return a favour to Americans finally ( change of opressive regime )
Showed it to a Russian colleague.
He'd seen it and pointed out that it's an election year in Russia.
Your russian colleague is a retard. Medvedev doesn't run.
Not to mention, Russia have been warning about this missile shield crap for YEARS... last year, they gave NATO an early 2012 deadline to stop their crap... and NATO ignored it, so Russia is acting.
This isn't some ``election`` thing. It's been going on for years.
DOES ANY ONE FOLLOW WHAT THE HECK THIS GUY IS TALKING ABOUT?
No worries Mon. We would do the same thing if Russia placed "missile defense systems" on Cuba from what I understand. Alert our tropps, etc...
Classic:
ACTION = REACTION
Look at the nice toys Russia just supplied to Syria A FEW DAYS AGO...
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20111122.aspx
Soviet Era Ship Killers Slipped Into Syria
A few of those hitting an US aircraft carrier would be real nasty.
And you have to ask yourself if Russian forces will be operating these systems until the Syrian missile forces get to grips with it's operation?
Thanksgiving is effectively the only 4-5 day weekend in the American calendar. The timing of this was very deliberate. Russia raising alert levels means that US installations must respond in kind which means cancelled leaves up and down the chain of command (both military and State). On any other weekday this could have been swept under the rug, the US media would simply not report it, but, thousands of cancelled Thanksgiving leaves will create a buzz which cannot be ignored. Questions will be asked, first by military families and then by the public at large. O admin will be almost certainly forced to respond, bringing the whole policy of surrounding Russia with missile installations into stark relief. Which is the idea. Alert levels are very easy to raise and exceedingly difficult to lower. This is not electioneering BS.
Very savvy comment.
We need Ron Paul as president.
He understands the unconstitutionality and foolishness of our pre-emptive aggressions.
First we need something to shake the public out of its stupor regarding this crap so he has a chance to get elected, maybe pissing Russia and China off to no end would do it.
I can't think of much else that would since we slept throgh giving the treasury to the banksters.
I don't place much hope on ron paul election. the PTB is either keeping Obama or replacing him with a warmongerer like Gingrich.
don't overestimate the intelligence or the common sense of the mass. If you go to any rural place in the South, you'll find out that most people still believe that Sadam Hussein had wmd and Iraq had something to do with 911, something even Bush has stopped saying
If Ron Paul gets to be president, it will only mean that he is just as biddable as the feckless Obama. More credit to him if he is not elected.
nobody has ever claimed the enlightenment of the masses. if so, you wouldn't have so many regligions running around promising to enlighten them
Watch oil spike to $350.....
BOOOYAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Prepare for the latest chapter of the Barackalypse...
Russia Surrenders
If the missile shield was REALLY against Iran, the interceptors would be in Afghanistan, Iraq, Turkey, Kuwait, UAE, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan... not in fucking eastern europe.
And let's be real, Iranian missiles are a joke.
If it's against North Korea, the interceptors would be in South Korea, which some of them are. And North Korean missiles are even a bigger joke then Iranian missiles and there's so much military hardware in South Korea, those missiles would be taken out way before they could be launched.
The missile shield is against freaking Russia, always has been.
NATO is trying to make us believe it's against Iran the same way the European elite is trying to tell us that all their EFSF and Eurobonds will solve all our problems.
All of this to protect some stupid ass parasite country in the middle east. Why the fuck didn't put "Israel" in the goddamned middle of Australia, or something.
How much money does Israel cost the US to protect? What a bigass joke.
If you Israeli loyalists love the country so much, then move the hell over there and get the US out of stupid ass abrahamic religion warfare.
Oh, but I forget that Zionists (not jews) are in all points of power in the US goverment. C'mon then, you bunch of dumbass goy monkeys--let's go have a war, then!
+100000000000000
http://capital3x.com/think-tank/what-is-good-for-eu-is-bad-for-germany-v...
Germany is bad for EUrope.
Fukishima will be the least of japan's worries if this escalates. Tokyo and Souel and Taipei will disappear in a flash...not to mention Berlin, etc.
A nice war with Russia won't bother Obama. He's tried to be Lincoln, Reagan, Clinton, Lenin. Why not hope for re-election as FDR?
If it promotes Islam, however round-about or whatever the cost, Barry is for it.
Clearly people dont understand Russia, this is good old trick they used to use in the cold war.
Time to time, specially in election time (or crisis time) they "remember" countries, specially old scared people who fear the red menace. Maybe it puts more military on the border but thats it. They arent stupid.
Classic Igor move. Kudos.
This has everything to do with the political situation in the United States.
The FAILED "super committe" and pending Defense cuts. The Russians sense weakness, and are accordingly applying pressure for more defense spending.
Just like when Ronald Reagan crippled them. The "shoe is on the other foot" right now. The intent is the same, further cripple the US economically.
Thanks Barry, you FOOL. And the "spend, spend, spend" Democrats.
Oh Hai guyz, just hanging out enjoying the hashish... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/24/iran-claims-arrests-of-cia-a...
Iran 'arrests 12 CIA agents'All this is theater. Russians are famous for being drama queens. You can usually ignore them as long as you don't actually invade their country.
Tell that to the Georgian Forces in South Ossetia.
http://rt.com/news/iran-cia-ring-arrest-139/
...Iran just captured 12 CIA gooks behind it's lines... That should set them back a little... Watch out for the false flag attack before Christmas, they are really trying to escalate this thing...
TRIFECTA ALERT: USA going all in - Russia, Iran & Syria.
Will Russia, Iran and/or Syria still be here next week?
Will the USA still be here next week?
The Markets? Will they be just a fond memory?
Will YOU still be here next week? What about that turkey?
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"He said the agents were co-operating with Israel’s Mossad and posed a threat to Iran`s security"
Those f'ing joos are going to get all of our American boys killed. Watch, mark my words. No israel soldiers will participate.
This appears to be Russia's JFK moment. The scary thing is that we have a President that is a idiot and he is surrounded by idiots. All we have waiting in the wings to be elected are idiots. Were fucked....
Yeah elect Perry, Bachmann or Cain and WW3 is what we're gonna have.
Open Thread dammit! We want Open Thread!
Sell Mortimer Sell!!!!!
Turd Ferguson needs to calm down and focus on the Ferguson's family turkey...
Russia has oil, natural gas, gold, strategic minerals out the ying yang, and much of the fresh water on earth. The list goes on and on. In other words, the presence of riches such as Mother Russia's make her a huge target of opportunity for the EE. This was true during Tsarist times and The Great Game with England, true during the USSR days, and especially true since the fall. The salivating over her stuff goes on. And so does the Great Game. Just some new dates and faces on a very old competition for power, vital resources, and control of the Straights into the Med.
Following the (planned) collapse of the SU, things were going splendidly for the Oligarchs in ripping off Russia's resources and gaining ownership of all manner of fun stuff for pennies on the Rouble. Gorby and Yeltsin: why great compliant servants they were. Ah, the good old days...
Because then Putin happened. The Jewish Mafia (pc term: the Oligarchs) traitors got locked up or sent packing, many to Israel. Some headed for London (Israel West)), such as Roman Abramowiich, who of course just had to own a Football side. Such a cosmopolitan... And promptly screwed up the Premiere league salary structure, etc. With all that new blood money, the new kids on the block also drove the high end real estate market higher in London, at a time when England is on its ass.
Is Putin pure of heart? Doubt it, But he's clearly with a faction other than the Oligarchs. This is critical to understanding. Russia has Putin, nukes, and delivery systems that have not been advertised. Anyone here who thinks there's a clean calculus with Russia or even Iran has consumed some serious Kool Aide. You're also believing the marketing boasts of arms merchants about the efficacy of their inerceptor technology. This isn't a movie where things go off according to a screenplay! Lots of super expensive, fancy crap doesn't work well. And that stuff breaks. A lot.
Fourth Generation Asymetrical Warfare is how weaker opponents can easily offset the strengths of their opponent while presenting offensive threats the opponents had not even thought of outside of an obscure wargame, never mind are prepared to repel. See William S. Lind for more on 4G Warfare.
Hot off the presses: Irans says they've busted 12 CIA agents. This would be a quick follow up to the CIA getting whupped in Lebanon by the uber-Mensch Sheik Nasrallah last week.
Anyone here want to wager that Putin's FSB did the heavy lifting behind the scenes in liberating those countries from the EE vermin who'd burrowed into the woodwork? Way to go Vlad. As always, you'll run rings arund the EE's servants in the West. It seems it's rather diifficult to find "totally, willfully compliant" and "wow, what a tactical genius" in the same sock puppet anymore. I guess they don't make them like they used to since the factories were shipped to China.
Happy Thanksgiving to all us Yanks. we can all be thankful for Vlad Putin. As long as he's around, the defacto policy of neo-MAD will keep all of us safe. From the next round of whatever the EE has planned. Please at least appreciate that part. Of course it is for each to decide. But one should (at minimum) curse him with admiration and respect.
You make not like this "David", but he's way, way smarter than Goliath. And like 5 times quicker. With some extremely deadly weapons of his own. That's never good for the big guy.
Putin has a great foreign policy, except for supporting dictatorships like Belarus and Syria...
His domestic policy is very police state and there's lots of corruption left from the USSR.
Putin is a bad man, but nowhere as bad as our leaders in the west.
Syria and Belarus: are they dicatorships really? If they are, is that what is important here anyway? We're under the dictatorship of international banksters. Has anyone else noticed this fact of life?
No, what's truly important about those 2 countries is that they're some of the last few holdouts against the EE and their so-called "banking system" Systemic Thievery & Exploitation is another term for it. Gosh, what's not to love about the prospect of living under something like this?
We always need to be aware of who and what is doing the labeling. Our worst enemies are the ones "reporting the news". Is that really News to anyone here?
Belarus does a great job of balancing E & W to maintain a much higher degree of financial and other autonomy than if they were in either camp. When chips are down they'll side with Putin (smart), but in the meantime they play the game well with respect to their own National interest. Don't you wish Obama did that?
Syria? Natanyahu is just having a hard on lasting 4+ hours. We really just need to tell the pyscho freak to fuck off, and to start by paying his own way for his wars.
As Israel is so very smart and so very productive, I'm sure they'll figure it out in a jiffy
Good posts.
"Dictatorships like Belarus and Syria"
Usual liberal claptrap. It takes just a tad more effort to call out the financial sector in the west what it is: a once useful tool to provide credit lifelines to the world economy, turned into the ultimate manipulative parasite, leeching off wars - be they of financial, conventional or informational nature.
ArrestBobRubin, I salute you and applaud you for your wit.
Why thank you... thank you very much...
<best Elvis voice>
US, that's what you get for bailing out the Soviets back in 1991...
One of those strategic assets in use and world wealth redistribution can start over.
If this is anything other than what ZH is insinuating, then ZH has just jumped the shark IMHO. Time will tell.
ZH bleeds intelligent readers whom, I sense most of the time, are well aware of game theory. I wonder if posts like these attempt to allude to fear mongering or are better said to be readable between the lines.
Obviously Kallingrad isn't in Syria and in no way has any recent transgression elevated to nuclear strategic alert. More importantly, in a game, I might tell you I'm worried about a good friend of yours who's unstable and out of respect, I'll tell you my plans so you can posture and act like the loving brother as if you care. All the while, you to prefer too see him in rehab.
I think Medvedev is serious. Notice that he didn't even wish us Happy Thanksgiving. Cold-hearted bastard. I say stop talking and start shooting. You just can't trust them Russkies.
I + ed you in an effort of Glasnost.
sorry - double post. need more coffee. want to be wide awake when the bombs start falling.
Russian alert = OK men, put down the vodka bottles and sober up!
Now we know the true genius of O'Bammy destroying the SDI and not bothering to tell Poland or the Czech Republic about it. Brilliant!
Extended weather forecast for the Middle East...Sunny for the month of December with a high of 3,000 degrees..........
"I picked the morning paper off the floor
It was full of other people's little wars
Wouldn't they like their peace
Don't we get bored
And we call for the three great stimulants
Of the exhausted ones
Artifice brutality and innocence
Artifice and innocence"
Joni Mitchel
Happy Thanksgiving!
China would not mind seeing the New Soviets embarrassed.
Yeah I'm sure China won't miss those piplines coming down from Siberia... over land where the transport is safe. Dumbass.
WTF? Barry didn't get a clue when the Russian info babe flipped him off on TV? Russia has defended and partnered up with the Assads for years. I do not think they want a shooting war. Neither does the US (?) Speaking as an American, Barry and his goons don't speak for me. All Medvedev has to to is cut off the gas line, like another reader said. Somebody is going to call the wrong bluff here, if they are not careful, or Barry's puppetmasters have ordered him. This time, the US might get nuked. I put the kids to work out back, digging a shelter.
lakecity55
No sweat on the Nukes, it is what it is,let them posture, blather and do whatever they wish, they will anyway.
Besides Obama is nor running this show.
The Cabal of Satan is.
"China’s naval expansion in the Pacific Ocean is poised to accelerate U.S. investment in anti- submarine warfare equipment, according to Ultra Electronics Holdings Plc (ULE), the world’s biggest supplier of sonar detectors."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-24/china-s-pacific-reach-to-spur-u...
I guess the U.S. doesn't spend enough on military.
Go ahead and skin that Smoke-wagon, Demetri... and see what happens to ya.
Go ahead and invade Russia, dumbass.... and see what happens to ya (like everyone else before them).
Kinda reminds me of the first Gulf War where Iraq was encouraged to cross drill into Kuwait.. Good old Sadam used to keep Iran in place... Net effect was deflection of the S&L criminal activities ofl political DNC/RNC class. The Neo-Con Netanyahu (MIT millitary product) are receiveng tremendious pressuers by the interventionist and Keynesian nut cases that believe War is the health of the economy. Folks this is a world wide Shays rebelion. The irony is the conditions rebelion pushed a stronger Constitution defining defense and courts. The economic conditions (Wikipedia) "The financial situation leading to the rebellion included the problem that European war investors (among others) demanded payment in gold and silver; there was not enough specie in the states, including Massachusetts, to pay the debts; and throughout the state, wealthy urban businessmen were trying to squeeze whatever assets they could get out of rural smallholders. Since the smallholders did not have the gold that the creditors demanded, everything they had was confiscated, including their houses."
Well here we are more war mongering.. debts creditors stealing pensions, forcing policy of mutual fund theft and fees and proping paper over production and starting (non principled) religious fear mongering.. It is the OWS movement yea right...
"The Rothschilds, and that class of money-lenders of whom they are the representatives and agents -- men who never think of lending a shilling to their next-door neighbors, for purposes of honest industry, unless upon the most ample security, and at the highest rate of interest -- stand ready, at all times, to lend money in unlimited amounts to those robbers and murderers, who call themselves governments, to be expended in shooting down those who do not submit quietly to being robbed and enslaved." by: Lysander Spooner
(1808-1887) Political theorist, activist, abolitionist
Stop the nonsense of the neo-con nut cases.... Fail the banks link currencies to goods
RP 2012
" I must break you "
Rocky IV
BRIC will win.
Get ready for Radiation. (Duct tape, bottled water, BPA canned peas, etc.)
Man the insanity and military ignorance coming out of the zerohedge post is mind boggling. If Russia is all that great how come they had a tough time defeating the Chechens? Plus the Chehchen violence is spreading across the Caucasus region.Their navy is hollow,their army is filled with poorly trained conscripts. Many here is zero hedge just love to fantasize about WW3 or a nuclear war.In this age war between superpowers will never happen because of chemical,nuclear,biological weapons. many of you guys believe every event is caused by Mossad,Joos,CIA. Seriously guys get off the computer and get laid.
If Russia is all that great how come they had a tough time defeating the Chechens?
Same reason the US had a tough time defeating the Vietnamese. And the Afghans.
I'm sure all the new conscripts from Castro St. will do a bangup job fighting the next war for the United States.
Ahhhhh....that's cute, but no.
If you don't have some fictional set of "values" that's convincing to your troops, you're gonna lose.
Judging from the scarcity of MSM coverage, I think the USA has backed down on this.
Ok, lets go back to the Malls now....
There are 2 separate issues here.
1) Russia's retaliation is to the US wanting increase the number radar sites in Easter Europe.
2) The US aircraft carrier off Syria coast is a separate issue unto itself.
Neither situation is very comforting to say the least.