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Russia Sends Three Warships To Syria Carrying Hundreds Of Marines

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There have been various rumors floating around over the past 2 weeks that Russia would do everything in its power to establish its foothold in Syria once and for all, with the local regime closer to the edge with every passing day. There have also been rumors, however silly, that Russia is willing to give up its naval basis in the Syrian port city of Tartus, since denied. Today, we finally get the full story, courtesy of the BBC, which is that that "three large Russian landing ships carrying hundreds of marines will soon visit the port of Tartus in war-torn Syria, the Russian military says." And who can blame them: this is only logical following the surge buildup of US naval assets in the region as we reported last week and the recently 'leaked' 'secret' data that Obama was actively supporting Syrian rebels. End result: WTI soaring, and well over $90 at last check.

From BBC:

The ships, each with up to 120 marines on board, will spend a few days in the port, the general staff source said. They will take on fresh supplies of food and water. Russia has a small naval maintenance facility at Tartus.

 

It is not clear whether some marines will stay in Tartus. Russia supports Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

 

The source did not give details of their military equipment - a sensitive issue, because Mr Assad relies on Russian military hardware for his armed forces.

 

Russian officials have dismissed speculation that their military could intervene in the conflict to bolster Mr Assad's regime.

 

Heavy fighting is raging in the city of Aleppo, where Syrian government forces are trying to oust Free Syrian Army (FSA) rebels.

 

The three Russian amphibious assault ships are in the Mediterranean now. After calling in at Tartus they will head for the Bosphorus and the Russian Black Sea port of Novorossiysk, the unnamed source told reporters on Friday.

 

The ships, part of Russia's Northern Fleet, are the Alexander Otrakovsky, the Georgy Pobedonosets and the Kondopoga.

 

The source, quoted by Interfax news agency, said one would anchor off Tartus and the other two would use a floating dock, because the port facilities were limited.

 

There is speculation that Russia may begin evacuating its nationals from Syria and deploy marines to protect personnel and equipment, as the violence intensifies.

As a reminder from last week:

Some may be surprised that this particular US naval action has a reaction. Others aren't.

 


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Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:03 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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WWIII = Bullish

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment aint no fortuna...
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That should get the VIX down into the low 15's

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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Ben Shalom better Start Shorting MORE Paper GOLD Fast ... Keep "Things" In Line...

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:32 | Link to Comment Arius
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evacuating their civilians .... it sounds to me like they are cutting their losses ... no where to hide ...

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Divine Wind
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AlertsUSA just flashed out an alert to subscriber cell phones that Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is calling on loan wolf jihadists to strike in their home countries.

This is the same group that Anwar al-Awlaki was heading up until he died of a Hellfire infection.

The group also had close ties to Hassan Nidal, the Fort Hood shooter,  Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Christmas Day, 2010 underwear bomber and more.

Nothing is a coincidence.

http://www.alertsusa.com

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment fightthepower
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Al Qaeda = the boogy man

Who knows, maybe there will be a fales flag though. 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment One World Mafia
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I agree no coincidence:

FBI Admits Pentagon Dinner Guest al-Awlaki Worked for Them"

"Anwar al-Awlaki was allegedly killed in October of 2011 by a CIA Predator drone in Yemen. The following year, he supposedly called for biological attacks on America from the grave."

http://www.infowars.com/fbi-admits-pentagon-dinner-guest-al-awlaki-worke...

Anwar Awlaki killed by U.S. drone in Yemen

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/01/world/la-fg-awlaki-killed-201110...

http://www.infowars.com/supposedly-dead-al-awlaki-calls-for-chemical-and...

Since alternative media unearthed the dinner guest story in 2010 the Pentagon has been claiming they let Awlaki dine there as part of an outreach to the Muslim community in the immediate aftermath of the attacks. They even had him giving presentations. Small world lol. After the story broke the White House tried to build a cover of ineptness by letting some odd ball dinner guests get close to the prez - see we're just all so inept.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment ali-ali-al-qomfri
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did they say anything about Eman-Yuellghols-Teen?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 21:26 | Link to Comment Self Trader
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Loan wolves ?  Credit's long dead !  Forget about loans unless you are one of the "chosenites".

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment kralizec
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WWIII?

With a few hundred Rooskie marines?

LOL!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment Mercury
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Your move Barry.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Marines?  War ships?  Pfffttt.  This is 2012...drop your dicks and grab your (joy) stix, boyz and girlz, the Nobel Peace Price Winner is in da White House.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:16 | Link to Comment Mercury
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Yeah, planes with actual, on-board human pilots are for ferrying Michelle's BFFs to fancy vacation spots.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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hedgeless_horseman ...

Thats a Good PIC of the US Physical GOLD Delivery System...

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:35 | Link to Comment Divine Wind
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You mean in the nose cone of that missile that looks like a can of Red Bull, yes?

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:14 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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If they wanted to fit her ass into the image, they need a Lockheed C-5 Galaxy...

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:16 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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It's a beautiful thing HH.  A good friend of mine is a retired F16 pilot.  He is only 43, but when given the choice between sitting in a bunker and polishing a chair with his ass or full retirement (he has been in 20+ already), he took the latter.  He races moto with me for fun (we are both adrenaline junkies as a result of our service) and he is in better shape than most of the new recruits.  Strange days indeed.  Personally, I think it is a dangerous thing for our "leaders" to so quickly dismiss the expertise of men such as him and turn the reigns over to a bunch of fat nerds who have a knack for video games (which is essentially what this "warfare" has become).  from an economic perspective there is a lot of very skiiled and experienced labor being kicked to the curb.  Not good.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Mercury
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One of my Dad's Vietnam era fighter pilot buddies was bitching recently that some of these cubical-jockey pilots are filing for...and getting PTSD disability!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:55 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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I heard the same thing, the stress of killing is what gets them. On the other hand my son in law has PTSD from 14 months of convoy escort in Iraq during the height of the fighting. His first few months there every convoy they escorted was attacked in one fashion or the other.

He came home for christmas a day after seeing a Marine blown to bits on the road just in front of him looking for IED's, he found one!

Having his vehicle blown up twice resulted in brain injury and the stress of 14 months on the roads of Iraq have made him a wreck at 28.

Vietnam could make a wreck of a man in the first week.

So the jy stick boys get zero sympathy from me. Put 'em in combat, they will beg to go back to their bunker and fly drones. No PTSD them!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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I am disgusted by this story. To all Drone Operators and commanders: You are cowards with no skin in the ‘game’. You have no honor for yourself, your country, your oath, nor your God. No matter how much PR spin your chosen occupation receives, you will always be seen as such by true patriotic Americans. As a citizen of this once great nation I remind you that your duty is not in defense of me or my way of life. It is in defense of a tyrannical nation building complex. You deserve no mercy at your trails.

These creatures have no honor. They deserve no respect, no simpathy, no hero status. The fact that they are refered to as “combat pilots” is an insult to the real combat pilots. I think they should have a new designation as A.M.’s Armchair Murderers.

When Nuremberg II happens, people like you will be brought to justice.

Decades from now, you people will be remembered about as fondly as present-day Germans remember Nazi concentration camp guards today.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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It is true that they kill a target, if the target is at home with the family they kill the whole lot of them. Many targets are picked on a hunch, and yes, these people are in their home country. Tell me Americans, will you accept a foreign army of nation builders in your home town?

Hell NO, so WHY do you expect others to accept your armies of occupation? It stands to reason, people always fight occupations.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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Fat nerds? Recon drones maybe, but armed drones are still being flown by current flying status fighter pilots. As an ex-Infantry type, I strongly suspect the grunts on the ground don't give a diddly damn about who is flying what overhead, as long as it does the job - and drones can stay overhead a lot longer than a manned aircraft.

And a lot of experienced labor has been kicked to the curb over the last 10 years - most of it civilian. Your friend at least has a decent retirement income (and earned it, as far as I am concerned).

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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its a pussy way to fight a war. I saw some grunt in Afghan bitching that "IEDs were a cowards way to fight a war"-as if goat herders taking on the strongest military in the history of man were cowards. what would he have to say if it were his country being occupied by a "force for democracy"

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment imaginalis
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I bet guys who fought with swords must have been really pissed when the first archers appeared

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:03 | Link to Comment TIMBEEER
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Didn't they say that the Colt brought democracy to the old West? That was  when even the less athletic or tall man was able to stand up against heavy-weight *holes looking for trouble.

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:06 | Link to Comment pop goes the weasel
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Bows and arrows have been around far longer than swords

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:14 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Who cares? Poisons existed before too.

Efficient ways of killing people.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment akak
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But none more efficient, nor more deadly, than the insidious poison of Chinese Citizenism, whose roadside shitting, time-traveling, algebraic coconuttery, blobbing-up nature is eternal.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:47 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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its a pussy way to fight a war.

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But it is an effective way to murder.

You know, wars can be fought for existential reasons. An enemy is threatening your existence and war is the way to go.

Wars can be fought for the taste of war. It is like a sport.

War can be fought for the fun of murdering. The enemy is easy, it is ducks release and fun shooting.

US citizens fight wars for the third reason.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment DosZap
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US citizens fight wars for the third reason.

 

US citizens get to die in these wars, they do not get to CHOOSE where they are sent.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Nevertheless, in an all-volunteer military, one does get to choose IF they are sent.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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US citizens get to die in these wars, they do not get to CHOOSE where they are sent.
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US citizen elite is pressured in finding easy wars to suit the US citizen tastes.

Would the wars not being a fun park, shooting lame ducks, the desertion rate would be higher.

US citizen work is very good at the moment, killing ratio is very good, you can enlist with good hopes of killing easy while risking little.

It has to be reminded that for some time, the enemy was also less dangerous than friendly troops and a large share of the US casualties was self inflicted.

Dont blame US citizen elite too much, they do their best to offer to US citizen middle class with secure opportunities to kill people.

But accidents do happen.

As Georges Bush (the son) said "wars are dangerous places"

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment akak
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Would the wars not being a fun park, shooting lame ducks, the desertion rate would be higher.

AnAnonymousAsshole, not understanding basic metaphors of the Engrish language, has no idea that he is suggesting that US soldiers are actually shooting still sitting but voted-from-office congressmen.  But that is only part and package of his whirligig dance of insanitation and monolizing of the speeching means.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, like the trained poop-hurling monkey that he is, said:

Would the wars not being a fun park, shooting lame ducks, the desertion rate would be higher.

Of course, as is usually the case, reality turns out to be the exact opposite of your moronic buttholiness.

If the wars were actually a "fun park", the suicide rate would be lower.

Perhaps your idea of a fun park is one in which people such as yourself scurry about like rodents, pooping on every convenient clear spot. You and your kind, existing only to consume, poop, and hate, are the reason for signs like the one below which must explicitly state that pooping on the ground is not permitted in the park:

http://www.shanghaidiaries.com/archives/IMG_9634.jpg

Your comments, like paralyzed pandas, are easier to shoot than lame ducks.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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If the wars were actually a "fun park", the suicide rate would be lower.

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Why? It is like claiming that people should not vomit while riding a roller coaster.

People might picture themselves as they are not.
They think they are made for a situation and they are not.

It has little to do with fun. Suicide exist among communauties of models who live the party life all the time. They think they are made for that style of life, which is fun and they are wrong. They finally suicide.

As a US citizen, you should stick to human beings provided by the US citizen government wars. They are far easier targets than my comments, which rely on the nature of US citizenism.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:42 | Link to Comment akak
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Suicide exist among communauties of models who live the party life all the time

That is only because they are constantly being nautie.

Make me laugh!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous sharted:

People might picture themselves as they are not.

That is certainly true in your case, little feller.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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And you whore out your mother and daughters just for the cash.

See how easy it is to make unwarranted and slanderous assertions, dickhead?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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Hay, avatar stealing is a grave offense around here. Please cease and desist!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 19:46 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Lol, that isnt your avatar. Its a commie version and closer up.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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its a pussy way to fight a war.

That is one of the stupidest comments I think I have seen in a while.  The people that win wars in the modern era apply every available advantage to pound his enemy into a helpless, spineless, broken mass of fleshy jello. War is about winning and surviving, fuck some archaic notion that the comabatants have to be on equal ground.

'Pussy' has got nothing to do with it and I pray that our enemies might think that way, dumbfuck.

I saw some grunt in Afghan bitching that "IEDs were a cowards way to fight a war"-as if goat herders taking on the strongest military in the history of man were cowards. what would he have to say if it were his country being occupied by a "force for democracy"

The Taliban are not goat herders ass-hat. They are a highly resilient and resourceful opponent who is using every advantage that they can bring to bear in this conflict and they are doing amazingly well. Were it not for the hubris among American civilian and military top level leadership, we could have beaten the Taliban years ago. But no, we had to hang around and try to make them live under a form of government prefered in the Western democracies and entirely alien to their own culture and place a criminal like Karzai in charge. Infuckingcredibly stupid.

Determination, belief in ones cause, a perception that the enemy is giving you no way out, and a faith in an after life are more powerful than guided missils, tanks and jet aircraft when it comes to a long fight. The latter are expensive to buy, costly to project into a theater of battle, and have flaws some of which we are being taught by our enemies, your so-called goat herders.

We will lose in Afghanistan because we are full of hubris, rely on advanced weaponry in place of a corpse of determined and well trained warriors, and because we have no respect for the local populations who make our fight almost impossible to win and maintain. This gives me no joy, only a sad grim realiztion that our future is going to be Byzantinely complex and difficult while we are led by the current corrupt and foolish crew at the top that we now have.

But mostly we will lose because we DONT BELONG THERE AS ALL THE VETERANS KNOW AND WHO SUPPORTED RON PAUL for since he promised to get us out and stop playing geopolitical casino with American families and the lives of their loved ones. The fools leading our country are destroying it slowly, a little every day because what makes them wealthy saps the soul out of our military and impoverishes our citizenry.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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War is about winning and surviving, fuck some archaic notion that the comabatants have to be on equal ground.

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Thumping admission. Honour is not part of 'Americanism' Often, US citizens would like to picture themselves as people of honour. But it is just a masquerade.

US citizens are neither honourable nor dishonourable. They simply ignore honour.

This said, big correction here: US citizens do not fight wars to win them or survive.

Afghanistan is no threat to the survival of the US, the Afghans are simply not strong enough to pose an existential threat to the US.

And the wars are won before being fought. Afghanistan's odds of winning the war are extremely low.

No, no, US citizens do not fight wars to win them or to survive them, they fight wars to murder people.

Murdering people and resources, those are the two great drivers of US citizen action.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:43 | Link to Comment akak
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Thumping admission. Hygiene is not part of Chinese Citizenism. Often, Chinese citizens would like to picture themselves as people of hygiene. But it is just a masquerade, as ubiquitous Chinese roadside shitting proves.

Chinese citizens are neither hygenic nor dishygenic. They simply ignore the toilet.

This said, big correction here: Chinese citizens do not fight wars to win them or survive.

Tibet was, and Taiwan is, no threat to the survival of the Chinese Communist Party, the Tibetans were, and the Taiwanese are, simply not strong enough to pose an existential threat to China.

And the wars are won before being fought. Tibet's and Taiwan's odds of winning the war were extremely low.

No, no, Chinse citizens do not fight wars to win them or to survive them, they fight wars to murder people --- especially their own, in such monuments to central-planning insanity as "The Great Leap Forward (Into Starvation)" and the so-called Cultural Revolution.

Murdering people and blobbing-up world resources, those are the two great drivers of Chinese citizen action.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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Akak,
Do you ever reread your posts against AnAnonymous?

The one you replied to was pertinent to the discussion at hand and actually well stated. Making a good point.

Then you just fall into your sophisms and attack the messenger with no consideration to his point.

Why don't you stop being a mechanical chatbot that blurts out anti-Chinese Citizenism inanities as soon as you identify a post by AnAnon? Maybe you could actually think before replying, your schticks are getting very tiresome.

Of course, if you feel I'm being unfair, please explain how your point is relevant to parent's argument. 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:52 | Link to Comment Mad Cow
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Even a broken cuckoo clock is right twice a day. The rest of the time AnAnidiot plops his turds with regularity. Keep it up Akak. Makes me laugh.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 18:18 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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This is correct: anonymouse earned a few greens during this exchange. With each passing day, Red-Fascist mainland China and ZOG-ruled Amerikwa do look more and more alike.  

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 19:50 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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And more and more like you fevered assinine fantasy of fascist rule.

Please go back to the ash heap of history you crawled from.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 19:49 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Anonymous brings the shit on himself, and that some morons gave him green props means nothing more than that there are a lot of morons around.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment 10mm
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War is a racket,benefits all but the dead soilder,fucked up soilder.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:51 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Afghanistan is no threat to the survival of the US, the Afghans are simply not strong enough to pose an existential threat to the US.

They harbored a terrorist group, al Qaeda, who attacked us and continues to attack us. The statement of yours regarding Afghanistan is enormously ignorant, since Afghanistan did not attack us and we never declared war on Afghanistan. We are at war with al Qaedca and theTaliban, dumbshit.

And the wars are won before being fought.

Almost ALL wars are won before they are fought as they are based on the preperations and plans and adaptability of the opposing forces and their leadership. Hitler lost WW2 before he even started it since he planned to eventually attack Russia and unify its people against him by summarily rounding them up and killing them by the thousands. The Japanese lost prior to any fight in that same war because they failed to recognise that our production could replace any losses dozens of times over while Japan had no such capacity.

Afghanistan's odds of winning the war are extremely low.

Afghanistan will lose because the TALIBAN will win, dumbfuck.

 

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 18:26 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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This would be...the selfsame al Qaeda that ZOG-ruled U.S. is now arming and backing in Syria. Once again, the bogus "War on Terror" stands exposed as a war to keep Israel on the map. And your econo-determinist analysis of WW II is false. Had Hitler gone straight on to Moscow in August-September 1941, instead of halting Army Group Center and dithering in the Ukraine for 6 weeks...and had the Japanese hit and stayed at Pearl Harbor, instead of hit and run, this would be a very different world. A world without ZOG.  

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 19:43 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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If, if, if, you Nazi fuck.

The fact is that Hitler did shoot thousands and tens of thousands of people who welcomed his forces as liberators int he Baltic states and the Ukraine.

Himmler's death squads united these people behind Stalins government and forced the Germans to tie down precious troops in rear areas to fight partisans that could have been made allies. Besides that, his forces were not stopped by russian forces in front of Moscow but by his lengthy supply lines due to the requirement to convert Russian railways to a guage the Germans trains used. That slowed the Germans down and early rains and then an early winter froze his troops in position.

But I wouldnt expect some moron to grasp this, especially one that longs for a return of the worst despotisms humanity has ever seen.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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No shit, he (and I) have earned our retirement pay.  No shit, the grunts don't care who is flying overhead.  Air support is just that, air support.  Sorry, did you have a fucking point?  Guess you missed my initial comment - "It's a beautiful thing".  

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment fightthepower
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You proud of killing a bunch of villagers who are trying to protect their homes from your invasion? 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Old US citizen joke: "too bad their villages were under my bomb drop, they should have moved them"

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Old Chinese citizenism citizen joke:

"Too bad their fun park was under my ass when I squatted down in public to shit. They should have moved it."

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Reducing destroying people's life to shitting. How US citizen. It deeply shows how murdering people is trivial to 'Americans'

Murdering people, destroying their life, their existence, it is just like shitting.

'American': "I am gone to shit" -"You mean you are to murder a few." -"Yeah, where is the difference?"

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:06 | Link to Comment akak
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Murdering people, destroying their life, their existence, it is just like shitting.

So are you finally coming close to admitting the crimes against humanity of the Chinese Communist regime in their unjust invasion, occupation and genocide of Tibet?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:08 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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How's that "trivial" thing in Tibet going for your masters, AnAnon?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:11 | Link to Comment General Decline
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There's nothin better that a TheFourthStoog-ing/akak/Ananonymous brawl on a Friday afternoon.  nothin.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:19 | Link to Comment akak
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Thank you for your US Citizenism throating of thanks and wording of your mind.

But in reality, all thanks must go to AnAnonymousAsshole, whose intellectual demolition derby of insanitation and hypocritizenism provides the grist for our mills. 

Make us laugh!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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I've never noticed AnAnonymous actually defending anything chinese, actually. I don't hang out on all threads, so I might have missed it, who knows, but you're the only one who ever mentions it.

As far as I've seen, AnAnon makes relevant comments about US Citizens as an abstraction - those unconscious of the Grand Chessboard and who thus behave like pawns, and NOT the American Individual. However your vehement protesting in front of his arguments - and the very poor way in which you try to constantly divert the conversation to points he's not making - only serves to weaken whatever point you're trying to make.

By the way, why do you get so irritated when AnAnon mentions how Cog-Man gets caught in the District of Columbia Machine? Do you identify with Cog-Man? Is that why all your replies sound like you are fiercely defending yourself? 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Mad Cow
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Blah?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment ali-ali-al-qomfri
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Sitting With General Decline on Friday afternoon slugfest here at Fight Club,

we join them in the middle of the fight.........

AnAnon; comes out with a solid vitriol combo, rean and mean.

Akak; leans out and dodges a good ’truthy’ comment, and responds with stiff Imperial upper

AnAnon; realing back gathering his classic thoughts (ref; little red book) launches another Yuan-2 combo

Ohh my, 4th Stooge jumps into the ring, takin’ AnAnon totally by surprise and completely unarmed, deflecting the scissor kick to the head.

Akak;, never holding back,  throws a solid round house, woosh….

Oh the inhumanity
Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:05 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous squatted down and gave birth to this brown baby Mao:

Reducing destroying people's life to shitting. How US citizen.

Reducing everything you hate to a "US citizenism" strawsman, again. How Chinese schizophrenicitizenish.

It deeply shows how murdering people is trivial to 'Americans'

Actually, it deeply shows the extremes to which you will go to ascribe your peculiar set of beliefs to a whole continent and then condemn them solely on the basis of where they were born. It deeply shows your extreme hypocricy, pretending to be sympathetic to the American Indians of the 19th century, yet lumping together their 20th century and 21st century descendents as murderers, thieves, extorters, and slaveholders. It deeply shows your prejudiced hatred, pretending to be sympathetic to 18th century and 19th century American slaves, yet labeling all of their descendents as murderers, thieves, extorters, and slaveholders. It deeply shows your cavalier propensity to rewrite history when you condemn an entire continent of people for wicked acts perpetrated by people who lived and died on that same continent over a century ago, never mentioning the same wicked behavior over the course of dozens of centuries by the inhabitants of another continent. It deeply shows your selective perception and lack of a moral backbone when you rant about slavery in the US over a century ago while ignoring the slavery that occured in China at various times in the 20th century and as recently as five years ago in the 21st century.

It clearly shows your cowardice when you run away after these points are made.

Murdering people, destroying their life, their existence, it is just like shitting.

Spare me your phony baloney concern for people other than yourself. You care no more for other people than you do for the last greasy turd that slid out of your ass while squatting on the side of a city street.

AnAnonymous: "People are less than shit." - "You mean American people?" - "Where is the difference? I hate all people, so all people are American to me."

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:46 | Link to Comment ReactionToClose...
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without getting into elaborate or boring detail .... I know a bunch of folks like you described ...

 

Am all for use of drones ... but they are only one tactical option.  They are way way over being used and accelerating the natural defensive response that will nprobably soon negate their effectiveness .. apart from a total 'in-your-face' to the Pakistanis forcing them politically 'all-in' to the jihadi political network in Pakistan.

And ask yourself ... if you breath any oxygen or just like to drink 'news' media 'kool-aid'.   How did a known diabetic with failing kidneys requiring a massive medical equipment for monthly cleaning/purification treaments, known as Osama bin Laden ..... >>>>>>NOT BE KNOWN WHERE TO BE".

How stupid can the 'news' media be .. and most Americans or Europeans for that matter.  Any one with any personal intel on the ground could find out quickly where OBL was/is. 

Just like it took decades for the Venona Files once declassified to show the true level of soviet intel infiltration into USA ..... am almost sure that our children/garndchildren  will learn that W purposefully let OBL slip out of Tora Bora ensnarement to be placed under Pakistani 'house arrest' near a major air base there (that is part of the annual $1billion  'aid' negotiated with Musharef remember that?; also you avoided making OBL inot a 'martyr' .... let him fade out of 'news' existence and monitor all his communications for intel, etc.).  OBL needed monthly medical attention you cannot get in the hills or mtns.

The 'glorious' OBL take-down, while impressive from what the Seals did, was nothing more that 'shooting a fish' in the barrell politically by Team 44, I surmise [to be fair to Team 44 ..... I think the wikileaks exposures by Assange forced Team 44s hand to have to take OBL out as those cables would eventually reveal the true nature of OBL being essentially under 'house arrest' in Pakistan].  Yet Hollywierd is going to make a glorious propaganda film just in time for October pre-election to 'create a myth'.

All the information is there .... it is hard not to draw any other conclusion ..... yet so many 'smart' people seem to do so day after day ... especially our 'wondrous' "news' purveyors

 

 

 

 

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:22 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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They are way way over being used and accelerating the natural defensive response that will nprobably soon negate their effectiveness ..

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There is no natural defense from death.

Afghans will never secure what it takes to disable drones.

Less and less people on the world scale are going to, actually.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:16 | Link to Comment General Decline
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"Am all for use of drones ..."

I'm all for the use of drones too, if they are actually used against those that attacked us on 9/11.  Two cites come to mind and neither are in Afghanistan or Iraq...

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:20 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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No, DC and London are probably more correct.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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The Late CIA employee Bin Laden=Emmanuael Goldstein.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment aerojet
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Ain't nothing as good as being a double-dipping government employee-retiree!  I've seen this over and over again in the past decade or so.  It usually plays like this: FBI guy retires, goes to work for the postal service doing background checks.  University administrator retires, comes back as an even higher-paid consultant.  And on and on.  Whatever happened to:  You finished up your career and just went away? 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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What's wrong with that? It decreases the military's ability to prosecute more criminal wars based on lies. You imply that new recruits are not physically fit enough to personally do their masters' bidding "on the ground", i.e. kill innocent brown people for a paycheck. Good. But it also means they're even more cowardly (somehow) than your pilot buddy who risked ... being late for cocktail hour to fly sorties over ... innocent people with no anti-aircraft capability in a multimillion dollar flying weapon, all payed for by other people - what a hero!! By the way, if he's (ch)Air Force, "polishing a chair with his ass" is all his job ever entailed.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:53 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Hey pussy, it does make a difference whether or not that "chair" can be blown out of the sky with him in it.  Somehow cowards always self-identify.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment fightthepower
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You are such a big tuff guy.  Dropping bombs in women and children! 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 18:44 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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I'd cut the flyboys and sailormen - and all of our bravely uniformed girls and queers as well - a little slack here. There's EZ wars and not-so-easy. IranWar will be sustained and bloody on all sides; I would not like to be on a US carrrier N. of the straits the day the ballon goes up. And, as usual, I'd attach way more opprobrium to the politicians issuing the orders than to the soldiers carrying them out.   

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment fightthepower
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Agree dropping bombs on poor third world pesants does not make one brave.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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But it earns a juicy paycheck in US citizen nations.

US citizens kickstart their life living off blood money.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, master of hypocritizenism, said:

US citizens kickstart their life living off blood money.

You know what, little buddy? I'm glad that you post comments on this site.

Yes, it's true that you're nothing more than a mentally disturbed seething ball of hate, and that you redefine history and reality to meet your needs of the present moment.

However, your lies, duplicity, and vulgar displays of histrionics are seen through quite easily. Your feverish rants against all things related to "US citizenism" or "Americanism" are actually helpful to those commenters here who are American or who are from, to use your warped terminology here, "US citizen countries".

Your insane, hypocritical, self-discrediting howlings provide a stark contrast to the posts made here by "US citizens" and make even unpopular or unconventional ideas presented by "US citizens" seem much more reasonable in comparison.

Your posts also occasionally provide fertile ground from which amusement and humor can grow.

Thank you for your helpful efforts, AnAnonymous. Keep up the good work.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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You know what, little buddy? I'm glad that you post comments on this site.

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One US citizen asked why I was still allowed to post here. Thanks goodness, one of my supporters comes out of the closet.

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Yes, it's true that you're nothing more than a mentally disturbed seething ball of hate, and that you redefine history and reality to meet your needs of the present moment.
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Redefining history and reality? There is no redefining in telling that since the professionalization of the military, US citizens who enlist kickstart their life and are led to live off blood money.

Emotional answers do not change reality.

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Your posts also occasionally provide fertile ground from which amusement and humor can grow.
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Kickstarting life by joining the US military and living off blood money can also provide fertile ground from which amusement, humour and fun can grow.
Just ask yourself. You'll see. US citizens are this way.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:43 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, displaying his mastery of hypocritizenism, said:

Emotional answers do not change reality.

True enough. Yet, despite knowing this, every day you still make the attempt to do so.

Very telling indeed.

But hey, when all you know is propaganda...

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:46 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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There is no change in reality when one assesses rightfully that US citizens kickstart their life and live off blood money when volunteering to join the US military.

The draft is no longer.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:49 | Link to Comment akak
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Kumquats

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Perched on his pedestal of dried roadside shit, AnAnonymous sanctimoniously stated:

There is no change in reality when one assesses rightfully that

Made me laugh. Assesses rightfully? You can't even assess rightfully that using toilet paper to wipe your ass will keep your hand from stinking like shit.

Of course, when one can't even assess rightfully that one should wipe his ass after shitting on a public roadside, well...

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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God, as soon as AnAnon posts on this board you go mad like trailer trash that snorted a kilo of bath salts.

Why don't you just go get yourself a beer, and reread your conversation so far? Maybe then you'll see how unsensical your conversation has been, from all the clawing and hair-ripping and pretending. Your absolute failure to deal rationally with the subject at hand is impressive. Dangit, this thing doesn't even deserve the label "conversation" - because when we read your posts, it looks like you're talking to some kind of scarecrow in your head, and definitely not with the guy in front of you.

You, Akak and AnAnonymous probably lower the collective IQ of these boards by 30, as soon as any of you start posting on the same thread. 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment Mad Cow
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"unsensical"

Blah?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:17 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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Wow. I'm impressed by the depth of your argument. I mistakenly switched from nonsensical to unsensical, a minor offense on the part of a non-native speaker, especially since both have etymologically the same meaning, yet this is the only thing you can underline. Does that mean you couldn't find anything wrong with the rest?

In either case, you are truly quite the conversationalist.

I'll be patiently waiting for you to adress the point I raised, that is, that Akak's and Stooge's Sand-in-Vagina mechanical, instinctive defense  keeps them from actually taking part in the discussion that is going on in the thread. The 3 of them end up fighting with scarecrows in their head, and the whole thread turns to shit. 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:19 | Link to Comment Mad Cow
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I see no reason not to combat a troll with humor. Maybe it's you with sand in the vagina?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:33 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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I'm Anti-Troll. Anybody who has ever read me around here should agree. I do my best to constantly stick to clean rhethoric and rational arguments, and receive comments with an open mind.

And I guess that I am irritated, so I might have sounded trollier than I was aiming for. But if you can't see how AnAnon's, Akak's and Stooge's rants just create uncoherent piles of shit in the thread, then I just give up. I'll go hang out elsewhere until they've tired themselves out.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Mad Cow
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Just ignore them if they bother you.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 20:35 | Link to Comment Sparkey
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AnAnynomous isn't Oriental, by his speech patterns I would hazard a guess, he might be an english literature Professor at an east coast Ivy League institution, which one,,,I'm not sure!

I assume he comes here to practice a form of Oriental detachment, but sometimes, his ire is ignited and for a few seconds he lets the, Orientally detached, Adanynomous role slip and he speaks in his own voice for all to see, and what do we see? We see a man frustrated by the direction the World is traveling in, the way history is being encouraged to unravel yet not really recognizing the source of his discomfort.

The pattern of madness which grips the World is affecting every person, consciously, or unconsciously, we all live here, we are of this place and when something is insane and the madness is threatening our survival,we know it even if the feeling hasn't been consciously recognized yet. 

Two  persistant, albeit, ephemeral themes underline everything that is happening, they are only whispered in the background, and often off stage, yet; `We have all heard them` The first; The rich will come through with even more money, the second; there are too many people on the planet, Wars are profitable and good population reducers

I had always believed the Rulers wrote their own scripts, but now I see they are also subject to delusional thinking, the origins of which  is in plain sight  before our eyes,,, Our culture has been taught to venerate Money, so we make Demi-Gods of the wealthy, this fawning attention reinforces Privlidge's Mantra "I must be smart and special, look at all the money I have!", of course a man can be smart at making Money, it seems to be a gift to some, but very stupid in other rhings,-- Look where we stand now, to continue forward on the present path must eventually see all the World's elite cowering in their bunkers Denizen,s of  a World, possibly so dirty, that they can never leave their tomb, and will learn the true lesson of living in a World with finite resources, only Mad people would knownly chose escalation and the possible contamination of our, damaged, but still elastic, still viable Earth.  That is a gloomy assessment, I feel as helpless as a Buffalo  fourty feet from the cliff when what is happening first comes to his attention!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:32 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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To be fair, right now YOU are the one spreading "your lies, duplicity, and vulgar displays of histrionics". Why do you feel so threatened by his post? Why are you so uncategorically unable to listen just a second to what he has to say, instead of always trying to start a sophistic argument?

How about you just deal with the comment he made instead of show of having sand in your vagina?

He said, "US citizens kickstart their life living off blood money."

Pray tell me, how is that false? This is a fundamental truth of the current world order. Why do you defend it so much and put AnAnon down with your insults and unbacked assertions, without actually dealing with the arguments?

You guys are the incarnation of the motto, "Divide and Conquer". The eye at the top of the pyramid must be spilling tears of laughter. 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:25 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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3 red arrows within 15 minutes. Let me guess. Akak, Stooge, and Mad Cow - after all, you are the guys who are being ever so watchful of this part of the thread.

This is quite telling. If you can't answer, just downvote. I am again impressed.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Mad Cow
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Sometimes only a high pressure hose will work with those stubborn sand particles in that vagina of yours.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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Again dismissing arguments - stated coolly, not at all in the "sand in vag" attitude you try to assign to me - with more sophisms. You make my point.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 21:24 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Why do you feel so threatened by his post?

The word you're looking for is annoyed, not threatened, unless you find a gnat more of a threat than an annoyance.

Why are you so uncategorically unable to listen just a second to what he has to say, instead of always trying to start a sophistic argument?

I tried that initially. I tried to engage him in a dialog. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt when he made unclear or ambiguous statements, asking for clarification, because it is clear that his native language is not english. I offered suggestions of ways for him to state his ideas more clearly, because I thought some of them had merit and I believed his comments were genuine attempts at participating with other commenters.

The responses by AnAnonymous to my attempts at dialog were, in order of their occurance, 1) ignoring my attempts, 2) condescendingly dismissing them as a nice attempt but, because I'm a "US citizen", ultimately a failure, and 3) contemptuously laughing at them.

As I don't expect you to take my word for this, here are three direct links to the points in the comment threads to which I referred in the preceding paragraph:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/welfare-great-delusion?page=3#comment-2268...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/new-features?page=1#comment-2272454

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-12-21/are-middle-east-african-...

How about you just deal with the comment he made instead of show of having sand in your vagina?

That's pretty funny, coming from the guy that said, "I do my best to constantly stick to clean rhethoric and rational arguments." Yeah, that probably is your best.

He said, "US citizens kickstart their life living off blood money."

Pray tell me, how is that false? This is a fundamental truth of the current world order.

Perhaps I'm just an odd exception, but I didn't kickstart my life living off blood money. However, since this is, according to you, a fundamental truth, maybe you can explain to me how you kickstarted your life living off blood money. After all, you are a US citizen, and it is, as you stated, a fundamental truth. Don't try to weasel out of it by claiming that you're not a US citizen, because according to AnAnonymous, you most certainly are. It doesn't matter what country you're from.

Why do you defend it so much

I defy you to point out a single instance where I've ever defended the current world order. Go ahead. You made the assertion, now let's see you support it.

and put AnAnon down with your insults and unbacked assertions, without actually dealing with the arguments?

When I tried to deal with the arguments AnAnonymous made, some of which I agreed with (as you can clearly see if you take the time to read the threads that I linked to above), the response was insults and unbacked assertions. It became clear to me that AnAnonymous was not here to debate, argue, or engage in any sort of dialog. His only reason for being here is his pathological contempt and hatred for other people. His whole "US citizenism" framework is nothing more than a target he has built for receiving the psychological projection of his own faults, flaws, and dishonorable motivations.

That AnAnonymous uses this site as a vehicle for expelling his hatred onto "US citizens" prompts some people, like akak, to call for his banishment. I disagree with akak on this particular issue, while at the same time agreeing with him on many other issues. A certain amount of disagreement in any context is healthy, as without it there is a risk of groupthink emerging.

While I think spammers shouId be given a quick boot, I don't want to see anyone banished from the site for expressing their opinions. Repugnant ideas and opinions are something we all have to contend with. If someone spews irrational hatred, I'd rather see them challenged on it and made to defend their views. It is good for everyone when this happens.

For every person commenting here, there are hundreds of people who read this site, and most of them have encountered in their lives people spouting some of the same hateful bile and propaganda that is expressed here. It is helpful for these readers to see how such views wither away when exposed to the disinfecting sunlight of truth and rational argument.

If AnAnonymous comes here to spout hatred and lies and refuses (or is unable) to engage in rational dialog, then he deserves every bit of ridicule and scorn heaped upon him. While you may have fallen for his act, I'm not going to give his idiocy a free pass.

You guys are the incarnation of the motto, "Divide and Conquer". The eye at the top of the pyramid must be spilling tears of laughter.

Be careful you don't fall off of your soapbox while sneering down your nose at me.

By the way, none of the three down arrows you reference in your comment below was from me. The fourth one was mine.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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Thanks for the great reply, Stooge.

You gave me great links to understand the underlying dialectical background that you hold in common with AnAnon which led you to bicker in this way. Your initial attempts to converse with him were very eloquent and open-minded, while he simply dismissed and insulted your attempts to understand the connotations behind US Citizenism as an attempt to paint yourself in a good light.

To be fair, I believe that you have a better understanding of it than AnAnon himself, as the concept is so central and dogmatic to him than he now exhibits large amounts of intellectual laziness and/or conceit by finding excuses to paint everyone with his broad brush.

In French, we say, "He who conceives an idea well will define it clearly and the words to do so will come effortlessly". It was obvious that this saying applied to you when you tried to find out whether, in AnAnon's opinion, the meaning of US Citizenism was "proponents of the historical propagandized economic resource extractionary depletionism as an ideology of global domination, whether the proponents are citizens of US of A or other countries."

I believe that, at that point, you had already demonstrated a better understanding of the idea than AnAnon. But you fell into his trolling/intellectual laziness game and ended up lowering yourself to his level - and here I mean in your direct exchanges with him, as this reply reminds me that you are perfectly capable of being articulate.

I do not think that lowering yourself to AnAnon's level suits you well, at all. I can definitely relate, though, as simply reading the subthreads between you, Akak and AnAnon got me irritated and into a "violent" communication mode - as you have noticed with my sand-in-vag comment. Although I hereby humbly insist that it applied both to me and you ;)

As for the rest, I did kick-start my life - or at least the unconscious part of it - off blood money. I would submit that, per your definition of US Citizenism (not AnAnon's), I spent the first part of my life living in such a mindset, and only awoke about 4 years ago. Up to then, I had had exploitative student jobs such as working in a pig slaughterhouse (I could explain why I now consider it exploitative although that is not the main point), was shamelessly consuming the cheapest consumer goods coming out of the worse work gulags, considered that everyone had earned their rank in the system - whatever that rank was - and generally was an asshole to anyone except myself and an elect few.

However when I did become conscious of it, it repulsed me, and my ill-earned gains did nothing but remind me of who I had been. I dropped everything but a backpack and clothes, and went to Latin America to rebuild from scratch on healthy foundations.

If you are honest with yourself you will surely see that this applies in a similar way to you, although this depends of your age and the culture you grew up in - for instance working hard on a farmhouse with the related tasks to maintain self-dependency... The intensity of the transition from unconscious US Citizenism to conscious World Citizenism depends from how strong was your initial identification with the US.C. paradigm and the length of time over which the transition itself lasted, but I am sure that examining your life you can see examples of it as well.

I defy you to point out a single instance where I've ever defended the current world order. Go ahead. You made the assertion, now let's see you support it. 

Well, to be clear, if AnAnon were using his US.C. model as an useful abstraction to discuss depletionism as an ideology of global hegemony, it wouldn't be that bad, but I can understand now that his broad brush-painting is offending to you, especially when you genuinely opened yourself to discuss his ideas and he just painted over you as well.

Probably that this impression you have of AnAnon - and especially your justified aversion of the way he wields the brush of US Citizenism - affects the way you now build your arguments against him. You become instantly confrontational, which might be fine, but you attack him with this hermetic vocabulary, filled with unspoken connotations, that you have developped over previous arguments with him. This prevents external observers to really understand your point.

Your instantaneous polarization, opposite to AnAnon's stance, also sometimes lead you to dismiss valid points that he makes, however rare that is. For instance, his "Old US Citizenism" black humor was a dank joke revealing the corruption of US Citizenism - as you understand it - yet you dismissed the importance of bombing innocent civilians by attacking him right away - as if you were defending from the point he was making - stating that chinese citizens shat everywhere.

When he rightly underlined that you were equating apples and oranges, diminishing the significance of genocides conducted by depletionism as an ideology of global hegemony as if it could be compared to shitting in public places, you defended yourself by attacking his application of US.C. with broad brush, which might have been true in general but did not apply to the case at hand, especially not if you interpreted his dark joke through the lenses of your own understanding of US.C.

That is where I got the vibe that you were defending the old order.

I do agree with your point about AnAnon's framework being used to project his own flaws upon others and it drips of his hate and contempt. Yet I do believe, as you found out when you first explored his ideas, that it might represent a very useful model to speak of certain aspects of propagandized/memetic exploitationism as an ideology of dominance.

That AnAnon uses it to waste with his closed mindset should not prevent us from extracting the pearls of wisdom that can be found in this manner of abstracting the problem, although, as we can see from the exposition of his ideas, the words we use to express this are of prime importance.

I believe that the comment I'm replying to is the proof that you are one of ZH's great posters. You cannot guess whether a man is a right man when you treat him well, but the essence of a right man becomes obvious when he believes he has been wronged. From your viewpoint (or if I had researched your conversations better) I was making an unjustified potshot at you, yet you took the time to expound extensively upon your reasons.

If you do manage to keep this mindset and keep your cool, while minding that the manner of your argumentation is aimed for observers to understand, rather than to simply assault AnAnon - he won't get it anyway - then I'm sure you will be able to counter his influence much more effectively. You might have been thinking you were still having rational discourse but it wasn't that clear from the outside. Still, I understand - hell, I wasn't even really taking part in the argument and you can see how I was affected simply from reading the thread.

I'll keep trying to stay off the soapbox, and will definitely watch myself twice over when AnAnon is around ;) 

 

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:16 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Thank you. Your reply was reasoned and civilized. I apologize that I do not have enough time to address all of your points; suffice it to say that, expressed as a Venn diagram, the area of overlap vis a vis matters we agree upon is much larger than I thought it was a day ago. I don't have many words left in me this evening, as I expended quite a few of them eviscerating AnAnonymous and his logical failings in the comment thread of another article.

Surprisingly, I didn't even mention citizenism or the excretory habits of any ethnicity.  ;)

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-03/should-we-arrest-dc-poli...

That AnAnon uses it to waste with his closed mindset should not prevent us from extracting the pearls of wisdom that can be found in this manner of abstracting the problem, although, as we can see from the exposition of his ideas, the words we use to express this are of prime importance.

Agreed. I thought that a few of his ideas had merit. I also saw that the way he expressed himself was alienating people who might otherwise agree with him. Initially I thought this was unintentional, perhaps caused by a language barrier. Eventually it became obvious that his behavior was deliberate, as he seemed to go out of his way to disagree with anyone about anything.

Personally, I see the US government as a global criminal enterprise. I am sad over what this country has become, and I am angered by its foreign policy of bullying and bombing. We have what is essentially an occupational government, which is why I sometimes refer to the city of Washington as Vichy DC.

For this reason, as well as a few others that I simply don't have time to discuss at the moment, I find the broad brush smear tactics of AnAnonymous repulsive.

Regarding the ethnicity of AnAnonymous, I'm not really sure how or when the association with China was made. It's something that seems to have stuck, though. Nevertheless, when verbally sparring with AnAnonymous, I make the effort to characterize him as a Chinese citizenism citizen, a fictitious category that is a caricature of his terminology. I try to make this distinct and separate from Chinese citizens or Chinese people, for whom I have no ill will.

Actually, my suspicion is that AnAnonymous resides in France. He spells certain words in an English manner, as opposed to an American manner, which makes me think he learned the language in Europe. He also seemed to know quite a bit about the background of Marine Le Pen around the time of the French presidential elections. Lastly, at one point he made an obscure reference to a cooking marmit (I believe he meant a marmite), which is a traditional French cooking vessel.

Wherever he is, I hope that, for the sake of his neighbors, he is a more civil person in real life than he is on the internet.

I must now go to sleep, but thank you again for your response.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment ReactionToClose...
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HH .... perfect ....this is one of the reasons why I, and so many, come to ZH for 'additional insights'.

Almost made me spit up my coffee laughing ....

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment General Decline
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In response to hedgless horseman's photo:

Wow. One could really spread a lot of democracy with that thing. I can't imagine what that would be like - Michelle's face being that last thing you see before meeting your maker. That has got to be against Geneva convention code. That's much worse than urinating on the corpse of your enemy.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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I hope the nose art is real. If you are going to war, it's best to have a good sense of humor!

I would name this warbird "The Black Queen of Reapers!"

What do ya think about that?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Hand Puppet Barry, just like you and I, does not have choices, at least not "real" choices. Instead he/we are presented with a very narrow menu of predetermined outcomes and are then offered the opportunity to make a selection. As in.........would you like to die by lethal injection, hanging, torture or decapitation?

Of course we would select the least painful and more "humane" choice of lethal injection as we desperately search for the "choice" that allows us to live.  

I <heart> false choices.

/sarc

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment Arius
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or would you like to vote for A or B

as in ... Vote the bums out .... it has a nice ring to it .... like the word menu ... before you add that hated word "narrow" .... yeah welll ... at least i have full trust in the ability of the cook to know full well what i like most based on my previous orders .... i am happy especially if the food is rationally priced ... dream on right ?

:-)

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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Why don't you call Buffett, you asshat?  Surely he'll tell you what to do.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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hahaha I wish Vlad would arm a nuke just so we could see the Kenyan buttboy shit his pants.

Then he tells buttboy he slipped a homing device on him down in Mexico, tied to the rocket's DF equipment.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:05 | Link to Comment scatterbrains
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UGA another 2+ %  today bitchezz.  $5 dollar gas by election day ?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment Jason T
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looking forward to the gasoline demand report from mastercard on Tuesday.. last time around, prices were 5% lower than last year yet demand was down 3% from year before.

demand is going to go down even more.

youth have no jobs and i think many are begging to work from home to save on gas.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:05 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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Hey Yall.

Want to read about the pipeline issues and eco-lefties.   here is a must read site. 

http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/2012/05/vancouver-mayor-and-rockefeller-brothers-tar-sands-campaign.html

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:13 | Link to Comment Mylegacy
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Dear Dogbreath

Ever hear the old saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."? As a Left Coaster living on the harbour here in Nanaimo, BC overlooking the cruise ship terminal I can ASSURE you the OVERWHELMING majority of BCers are VEHEMENTLY opposed to having super tankers shipping oil from Kitimat, Pr Rupert or ANYWHERE on our coast.

American "big oil" doesn't want Canadian oil for the US - they want to pipe it to the US Gulf , refine it (all those lovely clean(sic) jobs and juicy pollution) and then ship it to China making all manner of filthy lucre (literally and figuratively).

Frankly, we'd be DELIGHTED - it's all yours! Enjoy!

We don't call it "Beautiful BC" for nothing - and frankly Scarlet we don't give a damn WHO we have to sleep with to keep it that way! So much for the view that only money matters!

PS - When sleeping with Americans we always wear two condoms - can't be too safe, n'est pas...

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 17:47 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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smoke another joint.   might as well be the KGB funding the so called "eco" groups.   Bitumen sells at an artificial discount to other grades of crude because there isn't a second market to establish a benchmark price.  The US dictates the price and Canada loses   

enviromentalism is an industry,  just like the medical professionals not looking for a cure for cancer 

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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Furthermore,

 Have you protested in front of the Kinder Morgan export terminal lately.

At least 300 million from foriegn sources.   That buys alot of people like you and others thru massive PR campaigns.   This is one time I will agree with Chomsky, he called it manufacturing consent.   "....OVERWHELMING majority of BCers are VEHEMENTLY opposed to having super tankers shipping oil from Kitimat, Pr Rupert or ANYWHERE on our coast."    Ya right.

And what did you produce  to provide you the filthy lucre to live in some of the most expensive real estate in canada.

 

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:05 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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Putin's had enough of the bullshit. Can't blame him.

Good for him.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:20 | Link to Comment LeisureSmith
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Vladimir is Puti'n his money where his mouth is.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:01 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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 Brother Nathaniel on Putin and Syria: http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=742

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:31 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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he may dress weird, but he's pretty smart.

I up arrowed you for seeking out alternative news--- all of us need to.

Voltaire-net-dot-org is great.

While the US Fakemedia was squawking about battles in Damascus, their video showed no battles.

In fact, there is a great interview with a German war correspondnet who Assad allowed to freely tour about.

Plenty of evidence of NATO perfidy exists!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:15 | Link to Comment aerojet
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But he's on the wrong side, as usual.  Actually, I don't know which side to root for:  The fundie Muslim upstarts or the brutal Syrian dictatorship.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:27 | Link to Comment Patriot Eke
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Does that MSM dick taste good?  You're really sucking it hard.  The "rebels" are slaughtering a lot of civilians too.  They are just as "brutal" if not more.  How would you like it if China or Russia sent a bunch of "rebels" here to fight?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment Manthong
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I wonder if JPM has its tankers cued up for the SPR dump?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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JPM's tankers are almost full. No SPR dump, plenty of full tankers sitting off shore already, waiting for the "right" price.  Please, wake the fuck up.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment The Wizard of Oz
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WWIII BITCHEZ!!!!!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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Dow is up 200+ on this news.

XRT less that 3 bucks away from world record, lifetime, all-time highs.

Bring It!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment adr
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Keep on believing in channel stuffed retail Robo. Holiday orders have been cut 30%. Not that it matters to CFOs who can make 30% less product still look like a comp gain.

Sales are so good at retail that my wife's store had to cut payroll 20%. That would be sarcasm by the way, sales are off 60% from July last year at her store. Hours have been cut to the bone and they are actually going against corporate policy by only having one employee for 6 hours out of the day.

Target's real sales are nowhere near the reported number. Buys have been cut drastically, and new inventory is being held off the shelves by clearance merchandise that isn't moving. Using funny math you can claim an increase in sales, while you are actually losing money.

It is amazing how little Wall Street knows about actual business. I don't think anybody working in finance could actually run a real business.

I'll use small round numbers to make it easy. You bought $500 worth of inventory in April for the Spring period, representing $1000 in gross sales, expecting it to be gone by June. But over three months you only sold $100 of merchandise, making you $200 gross. So in July you had to put $800 retail in merchandise on clearance to get rid of it, so you could bring in fall merchandise. You sold $400 at 50% off and had to put the rest at 75% off to get rid of it.

On the surface July sales look great. For the last three months your average was $66. In July you sold $300 worth of merchandise. You can actually claim a huge month over month increase in sales.

The issue arises when you dig deeper into the numbers. In reality you made $500 in gross sale on $500 worth of inventory. You broke even, and when you take expenses into account, you actually lost money.

Do you see how reality and Wall Street fantasy can't exist together?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:08 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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how about just open twice a week?

 

or twice a year,   black friday and some rainy day in april?

 

less open hours reduce returns as well

 

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:12 | Link to Comment Ying-Yang
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I agree with most of what you say about retail reporting but....

"$500 inventory represents $1000 gross" Not many retailers get keystone, more like 10-30% margins. If your markup over cost was double and you sold at 50%, that sale would be at cost. At 75% clearance would be 25% below cost.

Your point is good but your example is funky!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Vincent Vega
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What no mention of US T's or NFLX? Go troll on Yahoo.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:23 | Link to Comment BeetleBailey
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LOL.....man you are a putz.....better cash out soon dickhead.

world record....LOL....LMAO......come on ...buy buy buy.....pump it up some more

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment lsbumblebee
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Also according to the BBC, these mercenaries from Turkey, Afghanistan and Egypt and backed by Mossad and the CIA are actually Syrian nationals.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment Haager
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Err, yes - with roots and passport of Libya, Jemen, Iraq, Turkey - sure, no doubts,  Syrian nationals...

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment Hedgetard55
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So choomboy is backing Al Qaeda now in Syria? Big surprise.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment resurger
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DAh!, Dobrey!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment Rick64
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Sibel Edmonds on U.S. involvment in Syria since May 2011.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AkY5O9zEXU&feature=related

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment Moneyswirth
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So the algos are in overdrive today.  Markets. Are. Fucking. Broken

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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Seriously, I don't know why people look at markets any more.

Although I guess a lot of ZHers just keep doing it out of habit, as a dog returneth to its vomit.

Whenever I see an "analyst" start talking about the meaning of market movements, I just close that page.  If his "analysis" does not prominently include manipulation by the Powers, he's a shill or a fool.  (both, most likely)

I literally can't see the charts any more.  When I look, I just see a randomized black-and-white image, like old TV "snow".

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment YouAreBliss
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Yeah that chart on the 30 yr Yield - looks market set. /sarc

Comrad Ben has learned from his ChiCom masters.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment samsara
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From this morning's UrbanSurvival

 

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

March to War Notes

 

Thursday's resignation of UN Secretary General Kofi Annan should be a great big sign on the road to war in the Middle East, which as we pointed out to Peoplenomics readers recently, should come during the Olympics if an Argentinian seer/prophet type was right in his artwork.

 

That said, today's headlines are full of aftermath including the Iranian press operation saying "Russia blames US for Annan resignation as envoy for Syria crisis."

 

More worrisome is that the UK is planning to step up support of anti Assad forces, since Syria (with Russian coaching) has apparently kicked butt in Aleppo.

 

Oh, speaking of which, one of our sources in the oil patch sent us some pretty damn interesting background on how things are on the ground (away from the press) in

Syria:

 

"I have a guy working for me from Damascus. His mother and sisters are there now, and they talk every day by phone. I let this go because you have been on vacation, and didn’t want to bother you and E. This stuff is going to unroll as it will regardless, because Americans are disconnected from their government until they decide to unite and TTBO (throw the bastards out).

 

My guy told me that his family is now on a hill on the outskirts of the city, along with thousands of others. They are surrounded by “rebels”, and it is Syrian army that is protecting them at this point, and trying to get them out and away from the city. The “rebels” are composed of unknown people, mostly not Syrians and many of them that are Syrians are known jihadistas – end of the world types known as local nutjobs anyway. Looting is rampant, and everyone that has left their homes has had all their

possessions stolen or burned – they have nothing.

 

Yes, there are Syrian troops firing into the city, but the resident Syrians are (mostly) not there anyway. The army has been moving them out so they can get at the “rebels”. Tariq told me that his sisters have seen the rebels murdering women and children for weeks, simply shooting anyone that doesn’t profess to wanting a jihad and to destroy the Assad regime. Men are not questioned but shot if they do not take up arms with the “rebels”.

 

Many men have taken up arms to avoid being shot when cornered by rebels. Many sneak away and try to flee at first opportunity. His family has been in a state of running and hiding for 4 weeks, calling him many times during the day. They are trying to get to the Lebanese or Turkish border. The hill they are on is Qudissah or something like that, but they were trying to get to Lebanon and got cut off by ”rebels”.

 

There are “rebel” strongholds in Lebanon from what they were telling him. The rebels all have radios – they are always talking to each other or someone via radio – so there is likely someone in charge of coordinating them somewhere, but this is no spontaneous uprising of rebels. Tariq literally spits when anyone tries to tell him these are “freedom fighters” and gets all unglued, so I had to tell the others to keep their politics to themselves in the shop.

 

Anyway, thought I would get this to you since you should be back by now. Tariq’s position is that this is actually a huge Middle East thing where the progressives (moderate folks who want business and civilization and a degree of freedom) are being coerced and made to embrace jihad by the not-so-fringe Muslim jihadistas.

 

As a method to get a regime toppled, this has ‘low hanging fruit’ all over it, because arming these types, bringing more in and then pouring a little religious zealotry gas on it meant instant ignition. Same thing could happen here with rabid Christian right types if things are framed correctly by those wishing it…

 

So here we are, watching craziness unfold that has been urged by our freedom loving government here in the USA, all in the name of – what?? I am so ready for things to melt down… Oilman2"

 

An interesting perspective and hopefully, the source in Damascus will stay in contact...

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment ReactionToClose...
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good post ..... insightful ... certainly better than CNN et al

please keep them coming ...and hope people can stay safe somehow.

This might impact the Iran-Israel standoff (an obvious understatement) forcing Netanyahu to act sooner etc than desired ..certainly per Team 44s desired political calculations.

What will Valerie Jarrett advise ..... enquiring minds want to know.

 

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment aerojet
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How the FUCK is that a good post?  That Urbansurvival dude is completely off his rocker " if an Argentinian seer/prophet type was right in his artwork"  WTF? WTFFF?  You believe any of that trash?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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A couple weeks go, if you had shown me some of  the weirder images from the Olympics opening ceremony and told me where they were going to come from, I would have said "You are off your rocker."

Likewise for images from the "artwork" in the Denver airport.

Are you sure you know how weird this gets?

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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The artwork in Denver is quite.....predictive?

Also, check out the same at the BOA HQ in Charlotte, NC.

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Thanks.

More Hope and Chains!

Fuck the Kenyan.

Read the visit to the Ohio AFB he made.

All the US troops were Locked Up!

Word is getting out now about his coming Marxist overthrow of the US and they are getting nervous that some US soldiers may back up their Constitution.

That's why the push for "gun control." Kenyan is afraid he might get hurt while he robs and kills.

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment Inthemix96
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Hmm, riling Putin doesnt seem to be the best option here folks, I have seen this bloke riding a horse with no shirt on.

Seem like a bit of hard twat if you ask me.  Oh, he looked very manly riding the horse with no shirt on mind, you know what they say about men that ride horsees with no shirt on.

:-)

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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pretty much assured that Putin could kick any world leader's ass w/ 1 hand tied behind his back-especially the Kenyan-In-Chief

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:38 | Link to Comment Inthemix96
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Thats exactly what I am talking about otto,

Putin could kick the fuck out of any of our so called honourable gentlemen in a heart beat.

Especially the Kenyan, who to be frank, doesnt look like he has a good fuck in him.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:02 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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I see some Obama man-crushes are junking me-now back to Huffington Post for you

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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you know what they say about men that ride horsees with no shirt on.

Ty chto mumu yebyosh?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Inthemix96
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Mick,

Golf clap, you know exactly what I am talking about

BRAVO!!!!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment dannynewmexico
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I'm beginning to think that Obama's October surprise will be WAR!!

 

 

Get ready

 

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