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Santelli And Taylor On Hayekian Rules And Saving America's Economic Future

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There is a certain irony to the fact that John Taylor, he of the infamous 'Taylor Rule' policy tool, conjures Hayek and the need for policy-makers to base decisions on 'rules' as opposed to the whim of short-termist solutions and band-aids. In an excellent discussion starting from Hayek and the foundations of Austrian economics 'rules-based-policy', Santelli and Taylor opine that 'policy must be more predictable' as fiscal cliffs, monetary uncertainty, and policy confusion weighs on both sentiment and businesses willingness (or ability) to make plans. Critically, they point out the dilemma that the short-cuts to solve immediate problems are in and of themselves unpredictable and so a longer-term rules-based strategy - which empirically has led to re-election (which may come as a surprise to many who see palliatives as populist vote-buying) - is a far better solution both politically and economically. The two go on to discuss the inability (or unwillingness) to enforce existing legislation (as opposed to new regulatory pressures) and the Hakeyian suggestion that those in power feel the need to do something different (or 'fine-tune') as opposed to enforce and continue strong rules-based policy which leads to short-term 'confusing' interventions.

 

 

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Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:04 | 2562278 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Critically, they point out the dilemma that the short-cuts to solve immediate problems are in and of themselves unpredictable and so a longer-term rules-based strategy....."

Long term to a politician is the time between depositing the "campaign contribution" check and when it clears. Rules-based strategy is what they do (within Congressional rules of course) to increase the number and amount of their campaign contribution checks.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:08 | 2562297 slaughterer
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Was Santelli the first athletic singer for the mid-80s heavy metal band Van Halen, or was it some other guy?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:12 | 2562318 Cursive
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@slaughterer

You should see Santelli doing "Runnin with the Devil" at Karoake hour.  He also does a mean "Ain't Talkin' Bout Love," but his best is "Eruption."

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:15 | 2562321 Mark Carney
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OT:  There is no Gold bubble.

Made the mistake of going to my Scotiabank Branch to order some Maples (ScotiaMccota is Canada’s largest Bank dealer) and it was quite the sight to see.

First off they had no idea how to process it because THEY NEVER DO IT! 

 

Me    “I would like to buy some Gold Maples”

Teller 1   “Sure, HOW MUCH GOLD WOULD YOU LIKE?!?” she seriously yelled it out.

Then the whole crew gathers around to see how to do the transaction.

Teller 2  “Sarah, HOW DO WE BUY GOLD?!?!” again, clueless #2 yells it out

Then the manager finally came to help out and said this was only the second time  she has had to purchase for a customer.  Then she asks me “so, is gold at a good price?” I said “yes, its always a good price, just buy it.”

 

I was a little on edge with how freely they were yelling out what I was buying.  Never again, I will buy on line from now on.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:26 | 2562353 Matt
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Are you on Eastern Time? Out on Pacific Time, it's a real gong show, I tried to order at a branch once, since it's a feature they advertise. You have to go to the branch at 9 am and they call the Vancouver branch that actually holds the gold and silver, and then you sit at the branch until they call you back and offer a price. Sometimes, apparently this takes hours. If you get in too late, with the waiting for Vancouver to call back time, if it gets past 1 pm, markets closed, come back tomorrow and try again.

So I walked down the street to a local coin shop and bought what I wanted from the stock they had instead, without having to run a credit check and use photo ID.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:43 | 2562394 Mark Carney
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this is in Edmonton. (11am).

The call to order took 2min and should be delivered by tomorrow from edmonton downtown office.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:37 | 2562377 CPL
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With TD for their silver stock pile I only had to ask to talk tot he manager and inform him to shut his mouth while the process was happening.  Although I did my purchase under my company, I'm not sure it would make a difference between business accounts and personal.

 

 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:57 | 2563051 TheFourthStooge-ing
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slaughterer asked:

Was Santelli the first athletic singer for the mid-80s heavy metal band Van Halen, or was it some other guy?

Yes, it was Santelli. At that time, he was performing under the name David Lee Rothbard.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:42 | 2562390 MarsInScorpio
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Just looked at Yahoo's DJIA chart - there was a huge gap in transactions - did something happen I missed?

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^DJI&t=1d&c=

 

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Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:49 | 2562404 DUNTHAT
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Here is a new Rule ...

6 years for a senator...

4 years for a house rep...

5 years for the prez...

One Time, No Exceptions

We gotta take the money and special interests out of re-election politics, or we are all fucked.

Also, give each pol a cable channel and web page for his own use --

Then require each to use his own money(no contributions) 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:55 | 2562424 earleflorida
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Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:23 | 2562550 blunderdog
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        We gotta take the money and special interests out of re-election politics,

Publicly-funded campaigns would do most of that, but good luck advocating for laws that hinder our politicians' ability to live in luxury.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:31 | 2563135 sansnobel
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Good luck with term limits.....that ship sailed a long time ago.  As long as the congress critters are takin' your money and dispensing it out to their friends and constituents for "noble" collective purposes like (Hippie Tribute museums...see Hillary Clinton's Blue ribbon baby) for the novelty crowd at the original Woodstock in NY, shit will not change.  Would you vote your self out of a job??  Would you be willing to forgo your benifits so your congressman can do the right thing and say No Mas, when every other congress critter has his snout in the collective trough?  Spending will never stop ok?  It's a runaway train by design, the debt must get bigger and the only people willing to go deeper into debt right now is da gubment!!  Benny and the inkjets are just there to see to it that they can do so with QE and ZIRP.  Shit will continue till it basically implodes and everybody runs on the bank.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:39 | 2563591 OneTinSoldier66
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"Then require each to use his own money(no contributions)"

 

I know I'd go for that. I have heard it said that you used to have to pledge your sacred honor, your fortune, your very life, in order to gain the power to protect the freedom and liberties of the people that you would govern over.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:18 | 2563857 sansnobel
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Are you serious?  These fucking sociopaths have no honor.  They all go up to the hill and they get their lobodomy pretty quickly.  They are members of the organized crime syndicate.  They might as well be the the Gambinos or the Bananos running the fucking country.  Sociopaths have no honor, much less integrity.  They steal and plunder for a fucking living.  That's what politics has become in this country.  It aint never been an honorable profession nor will it ever be.  Some of these douchebags actually think they are doing God's work like Lord Blankfeind.  The people of this country are so freaking deluded that they go to these fucking political conventions like its some kind of arena sport.  They are literally brainwashed masses, to think some politician will solve all their problems, it's quite funny to sit back and watch it from a cynical point of view.  They create  most of the problems with regards to our economic situation and then they have the audacity to turn around when the shit hits the fan and blame the "Free Market"  what free market?  Has there ever been a market these little slimy bastards have not had their little dickbeating hands all over it?  I hear this shit all the time from fucking idiots like Sean Hanity, the deluded idiot from Faux News....America believes in Free markets, America is the greatest Country on Earth, Ra Ra Ra Sis Boom Ba...Nope, never has been.  That's why the Tax code is 70,000 pages and counting, it's kind of an illusion the Braindead masses in this Godforsaken country can't wrap their brains arround.  It's a Tax code that acts as a Soviet styled politbureau, but it's wrapped in the American flag so it must be the patriotic thing to support right?  Orwellian, truly Orwellian!!  And by the way, making them use their own money does not hurt them, because it's all one big circle jerk social club, they give money to each other to keep POWER that is all that matters to them.  They are textbook narcissists plain and simple.  Parasites, they can't do anything or create anything of any value, but their academia elitist country club parents certainly made sure they learned how to steal by gaining political power.  

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:02 | 2562279 NotApplicable
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"There is no avoiding..."

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:02 | 2562281 midgetrannyporn
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rules based. what a hoot!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:11 | 2562293 dwdollar
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Ruled based? Does that mean all major US banks and corporations are liquidated since they shouldn't exist today?

How many laws, rules and precedents were broken or ignored in 2008 to bail those fuckers out?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:12 | 2562317 midgetrannyporn
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Santelli wouldn't have a job if they jailed all the miscreants. Without thievery NYC and Chicago would implode.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:14 | 2562319 GeezerGeek
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There are two problems with rules under our current government system that I see:

1) Senators and congressmen like to talk about how much they've accomplished - as measured by laws passed - when often the best course of action would be to do nothing.

2) By not enforcing current rules, which might actually work if enforced, the government can pass ever more intrusive, restrictive laws. Eventually that can end with one supreme law: "Do whatever we tell you, because we've got the guns to back it up."

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:16 | 2562329 midgetrannyporn
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CONgreff is doing insider trading right along with the banks and hedgies. If we had rule of law there wouldn't be any new laws because they would all be in jail.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:30 | 2562363 GovernmentMule
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Yes, one would then have to assume that the rule of law actually existed...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:08 | 2562287 metastar
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The key here is that there is no rule of law!

Look at Obama and immigration. Look at our markets. Look at the bailouts and the Federal Reserve. Look at Jamie Dimon. Look at the birth certificate.

It goes on and on.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:11 | 2562313 bobnoxy
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The birth certificate? Really?

While you were asleep, Trump wheeled that out again and was told to shut the hell up about it. By the Republicans. You'll have to take a right turn into Crazy Town to hear about that again.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:17 | 2562330 metastar
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It is obvious that you're watching the MSM.

Who is sleeping??

Democrats and Republicans are nothing more than crime families robbing the American people.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:20 | 2562338 bobnoxy
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No argument there, but the birther issue is dead and buried. Except in Crazy Town.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:45 | 2562398 pods
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Well, there are two issues.  One, was BO born in Hawaii and is he a natural born citizen.  That one, idk.

Was proper proof put forth by the white house by having the pdf on the website of the WH?

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2527481

Knock yourself out on that one bob.

From crazytown,

pods

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:54 | 2562423 bobnoxy
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Do you really expect me to chase down every one of your imaginary conspiracies around an issue already dead and buried by those with the most to gain if it were true, the Republicans? If there was anything to it, how did Mccain and Hilary's camps totally whiff on it when they had the chance?

If you have something real, call Romney's camp and offer it to them. Think of it, you can be the Ambassador to France...The Bahamas...Switzerland...oh, think of it! Let me know what they tell you, okay? You'll be paid millions by the Kochs, Viguerie, Murdoch, Adelson and the rest.

You'll be rich! Seriously, you would be. They'd pay you millions for that kind of thing. Call 'em up!

Hey, if that's what you want to believe after everyone else has moved on, no skin off my ass. Call Trump. He's still looking for proof. Oh wait, he said months ago he had it, incredible information that will blow us away.

Apparently, it blew away all right.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:04 | 2562469 pods
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Okay bob, in your limited time here you must have gotten me confused with another silly false left-right paradigm mouth breather.

I am an anarchist.  I do not care what team wins, I am after the owners, who no doubt are paying you to post here.

If you are not going to entertain an argument that you took it upon yourself to initiate, that would make you a troll.

And not the pleasant type ala MDB, and not even the wacky dig silver out for $5 bucks an ouce where's my shovel Methman type.

I posted ONE link.  

One link to a ONE page argument.

In the time it took for you to type out your rant, you could have READ the whole article, twice.

pods

 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:07 | 2562486 bobnoxy
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I read Denninger almost daily just for some morning humor. I'm sure I saw that when he posted it. Did you want me to read it again? He's bright on the business stuff, but a total wingnut loser on politics. Another Republican...excuse me, Libertarian tea bagger. And there you are, posting one of his worst rants.

Anarchist, eh? That sounds like a bright future.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:14 | 2562522 pods
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So basically we are done then?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:19 | 2562541 bobnoxy
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...huh?! Oh, sure, okay then.

When you find the right turn into Crazy Town, I think you're looking for the house on the corner of Hannity and Beck. You'll know it when you see it.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:27 | 2562565 pods
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I almost feel sorry for you.  And I mean that.  

I don't do the left-right thing bob.

Here's a green for ya anyways.

pods

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:31 | 2562581 bobnoxy
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Don't bother. I just Googled the benefits or profit I might get from your sorrow, and apparently, I have nothing to gain. So you can preserve your energy for our next chat! It's a win-win!

By the way, I'm an unregistered independent. I didn't vote for Obama, and I won't this time either. Meet me in the middle sometime. It's kind of nice here.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:15 | 2562523 AnAnonymous
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false left-right paradigm mouth breather.

______________________

Left and right appear the same for US citizens who are slowly slipping from the bowl.

As they vote, they get nothing in return.

That said, it does not mean that there is no opposition between the two.

As according to US citizenism, these two parties are rivals.

They want the same, they act the same but are ready to kill each other to be the one.

Rivalry. Like for duelists.

Argument is totally valid to underline that any rival to US citizen obama will reward lavishly for outing Obama and disclaim him as a non US born man.

Hiding behind the fact that US citizens decreases diversity does not cut in. Rivalry is fierce in US citizen societies and such an information would matter a lot for any rival to Obama.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:13 | 2562907 akak
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In your latest broadbrush and bigoted attack here on Americans (a.k.a. "US Citizens"), are you throating an idea, wording your mind, monolizing the speeching means, acting as a parangon of offuscation, or merely trying to blob-up the conversation? 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:40 | 2563285 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, on a state-sponsored opium binge, said:

Left and right appear the same for US citizens who are slowly slipping from the bowl.

Left and right appear different for Chinese citizenism citizens who are strongly smoking from the bowl.

As they vote, they get nothing in return.

Made me laugh. Voters get something very big indeed. Voters get reinforcement for their illusion that the system still works, that their voice has been heard, that they made a difference. Many desperately cling to this illusion as if they were clinging to the very edge of sanity.

That said, it does not mean that there is no opposition between the two.

Ah, ah, that said, it does not dispute that Chinese citizenism citizen usage of double negative terminology phrasing is not unlike disverisimilitude.

As according to US citizenism, these two parties are rivals.

As according to AnAnonymousism, explaining everything, even these two parties, within the framework of 'US citizenism' is the best part, the crustiest bit of intellectual endeavors. Disregarding AnAnonymousism, it is clear that 'US citizenism' is a method for projecting all of the embarrassing absurdities of Chinese citizenism onto a convenient exterior.

They want the same, they act the same but are ready to kill each other to be the one.

Yes, sure, very believable if you place credence in puppet shows and pantomime donkeys and elephants.

Rivalry. Like for duelists.

Revelry, like for duelists who stage a duel and share the winnings from gambling on the outcome of the charade.

Argument is totally valid to underline that any rival to US citizen obama will reward lavishly for outing Obama and disclaim him as a non US born man.

Waaoo, mistaken you are much in the making. Dawai, dawai. Argument is most totally invalid. Event uproar obscures the attention of people more serious underlying crisis. When the panic crash, who also can not predict. But the fairy tale of the rewarding lavishly with disclaim of US non born man only cantilevers hinging the fantasy foundation of rivalry bad chain.

Hiding behind the fact that US citizens decreases diversity does not cut in. Rivalry is fierce in US citizen societies and such an information would matter a lot for any rival to Obama.

Rivalry of strawsmen is not making rivalry is fierce. Diversity of strawsman du jour being only attempt to delay the inevitable results of it perish fate. Such an information would matter not more than some circumnavigation achieved by Magellan-Elcano arrived to a foreign land as people stunned and appalling rough housing was very impressive and ugly bestiality on its head.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:58 | 2562438 bobnoxy
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By the way, if you're quoting that teabagger douchebag Denninger, you lose serious cred points from the start.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:06 | 2562478 pods
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I quote who ever offers valid information.  Did they teach you to attack the messenger in troll school?

Forgive me if I am not offended for losing serious "cred points."

pods

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:04 | 2562472 Dr. Engali
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pods

 

You're wasting your time with a fool who has been completely indoctrinated. The matrix has him and he will fight to protect it.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:09 | 2562490 bobnoxy
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The matrix? And who's been watching too many scary movies on the Sci-Fi channel late at night?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:21 | 2562538 Dr. Engali
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I actually have it on DVD I can't stand commercials. The movie has good symbolism for those who are open minded enough to comprehend it. I guess that leaves you out.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:23 | 2562551 bobnoxy
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You're not really a doctor, are you? Because that would really be scary.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:23 | 2562553 AnAnonymous
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A US citizen promoting a US citizen cultural item?

Woooo, that is something.

US citizen culture is empty. It is actually a negation of culture, a destroyer of culture.

The more US citizenism is progressing, the more society is falling apart because human societies are hold together by culture.

US citizenism, very efficient destroyer of culture and therefore society at the expense of the capacity of developing culture and holding together a society.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:15 | 2562913 akak
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Go wok your dog.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:33 | 2562969 pods
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You owe me a new keyboard!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:28 | 2563127 akak
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You may send the bill to:

An Anon Y Maos

c/o People's Liberation Opium Parlor and Internet Cafe #147

1213 Dangdang Road

Shanghai, China

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:52 | 2563099 Henry Hub
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It is a hard thing to face for someone born and brought up as a U.S. citizen that it has become worthless. The United States has morphed into a country of corporations. They have granted full citizenship rights to corporations. The corporations are the only valid citizens.
When they allow the country to be flooded by illegal immigrants, when they not only allow dual citizenship, but allow them to serve in foreign armies (Israel) they have cheapened citizenship beyond repair. As a U.S. citizen you are a corporate serf and tax donkey for the government. Sad.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:01 | 2563324 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous droned:

A US citizen promoting a US citizen cultural item?

Woooo, that is something.

A French Indo-Chinese Antarctic citizenism citizen ascribing a peculiar set of beliefs to a whole continent and calling it US citizenism?

Waaaooo, somehow that is very something, or something-like.

US citizen culture is empty. It is actually a negation of culture, a destroyer of culture.

Chinese citizenism roadsides are not empty. This is actually resulting of subculture of elimination, the eliminated droppings of which are not cultured pearls.

The more US citizenism is progressing, the more society is falling apart because human societies are hold together by culture.

The more Chinese citizenism citizens are eliminating, the more roadsides are blobbing up because human feces are hold together by fiber.

US citizenism, very efficient destroyer of culture and therefore society at the expense of the capacity of developing culture and holding together a society.

AnAnonymousism, very pernicious destroyer of coherence and therefore economical times flew slowlier during anything fluctuate way too fast on way to be cruel persecution torture a proper explanation, too much fluctuation will happen.

AnAnonymousism also cannot self indiction, we all know this is a land of block no tomorrow.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:04 | 2563667 akak
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Oh great sir of algebraic coconutistic trollish destructionism, I am the salute you truly high!

Goodness many being skills of you doing the throating of your ideas and wording of your thoughts.

Wishes upon you mine for ableness of bestow 100,000 arrows of green color, deserving much they you have in due.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:24 | 2562555 pods
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Haha, thanks doc.  I really don't care which party wins the next circus.
I was just shocked to see the WH would post such a fake on their website.  Blows my mind how they can do that, the entire mortage industry can submit hundreds of thousands of forged documents in court, then the court tells them that they are phony and to withdraw them cause they would get in trouble, and yet we will bust a kid with a joint or a baseball player who lied to the absolute most wretched scumbags this nation has to offer.

You really cannot make this shit up.

pods

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:26 | 2562562 AnAnonymous
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How could they post such a fake?

Maybe because that is not a fake...

US citizen style, you know. Starting from false postulates usually to wrong conclusions, if not by luck.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:00 | 2562929 akak
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Darmak and Jilad, at Tanagra.

Temba, his arms wide.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

Darmak, his sails unfurled.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:19 | 2563367 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, croaking like a Chinese Fire-Bellied Toad, said:

US citizen style, you know. Starting from false postulates usually to wrong conclusions, if not by luck.

Chinese citizenism style on display here, eternal nature of denialism and refusal to self indiction being in prominence. Saxton and the Countess, jumping from the cooking marmit into the Chinese citizenism rice straw fire.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 16:07 | 2562702 metastar
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Pods,

It really does go on and on.

It was in 2008 when I woke. The vast majority of the American people said NO to bailing out the banks. So, what did DC do? They spit into the face of the American people. I do not forget these things.

Whether the public believes in bailouts or not, it is clear that the politicians do not represent the people.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 16:16 | 2562732 pods
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Well an educated politician has to know what our money system is based on.  So in order for them to avoid a cascading collapse of deflationary implosion, they had to bail out the banks.

There was so much debt about to be defaulted on, who knows what the result was going to be (didn't the FED backstop like 26 trillion)?  It was the world's reserve currency and it would really have been terrible.

We could certainly be in a much better place by now, but that was probably a gamble they were not ready to take.  

I am kind of thankful that they did, as it has given me time to secure my future as best as I can.  But the endgame is still to be played out.

I consider my awakening to be a bit earlier than yours, but I know I went through hell when I realized the enormity of it all.  

I am in a much better place now to deal with whatever might come to pass then I was back then.

It still is going to suck.  Big time.

pods

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:22 | 2562344 Dr. Engali
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You have to excuse Bob. We missed his three month anniversary by 5 days. He's a little cranky we didn't get him a gift.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:27 | 2562355 bobnoxy
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It's okay. I know you have a budget to stick with.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:23 | 2562347 metastar
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It is obvious that you're watching the MSM.

Who is sleeping??

Democrats and Republicans are nothing more than crime families robbing the American people. I support neither.

I have been in the computer field for 30 years and have managed software, systems, and network engineers at the highest levels. I have personally examined the birth certificate on the WhiteHouse.gov web page and will clearly state that it is a fraudulent document. Even I could not believe until I saw it with my own eyes.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:26 | 2562352 bobnoxy
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Well then, you'll be a real hero to all the right wingnuts who think like you do. Make an issue out of it and take it all the way to the Supreme Court...oh, what, they refused to bother with it? Well, you could go on Fox...they already did? Oh well, you could take it to Drudge and ...already been there too?

Looks like you're out of places to go with that one. Except for Crazy Town, ahead on your right.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:20 | 2562545 AnAnonymous
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Any person providing evidences against Obama will be a hero to the rivals to Obama. And that is a lot of people. And a lot of money to collect too.

But US citizens cling to their fantasy. Among favoured fantasy is the fabled past story.

US citizens who are slowly but surely ejected from the US citizen group want to believe that US citizenism has changed, that something has gone wrong.

The possibility that a non US born president could have been elected is for them a thought they cant surrender as it would validate their fantasy that US citizenism has changed.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:59 | 2562675 metastar
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What can you do with the public when

Their eyes are open, but they cannot see?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:22 | 2563377 TheFourthStooge-ing
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But US citizens cling to their fantasy. Among favoured fantasy is the fabled past story.

Chinese citizenism citizens cling to their fantasy. Among favoured fantasy is the fabled present Us citizenism story.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:30 | 2562575 eatthebanksters
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Wholeheartedly agree. The rule of law must be applied to all people equally.  Enforce laws. If you don't like the laws the go through the constitutional process to change them. If you want to play dictator then suffer the consequences of a dictator and don't bitch when someone lines you up in front of a wall with a firing squad.  I am genuinely fearful of what is going on in this country right now.  Our president's win at all cost mentality without regard for morals, ethics and the rule of law is dividing our country.  The guy who bragged about being the great uniter who would bring hope and change is actually creating hatred and division to support his ends.  In the end this country may be on the verge of a civil war because of his divisive tactics. This is not the guy I want sitting in the presidents seat.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:47 | 2563468 Henry Hub
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Isn't great than we can replace Obama with Romney. That will solve everything. Good thing that we are only given two choices, otherwise the whole thing would be too confusing. The two party system in this country is the best system in the world, bar none. Isn't it great to live in a true democracy with real control given to the people!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:24 | 2563251 Dr. No
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Executive order.... What the hell is that and where is it in the constitution?  Smells like a law making without congressional approval.  Dont get me wrong, congress loves them (full deniability), but congress is supposta pass laws.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 03:37 | 2564252 e_goldstein
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basta. no nesso cheso niente. que fie, b-i-r-t-h c-e-r-t-i-f-i-c-a-t-e?

 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:06 | 2562290 francis_sawyer
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There is no "Saving America's Economic Future"... That ship has sailed (estimates have it that it left port in 1913)...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:06 | 2562294 slaughterer
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Got to turn to CNBC for my daily dose of Hayek,

can't get it through Washington or Brussels anymore.  

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:12 | 2562315 Mountainview
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go to www.thedailybell.com , they try since years to promote Austrian thinkings...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:44 | 2562396 NotApplicable
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Their take on the bailout of Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena is entertaining, as they walk through the "logic" of the ongoing madness.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:07 | 2562296 Bay of Pigs
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"rule of law"?

LOL...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:15 | 2562300 Cursive
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Meh.  Either way, they are both still talking about central banking.  Let's talk about the end of central bankers.

 

ETA:  Down voted by central banker is an honor.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:05 | 2562473 WTFx10
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Exactly, who the Fuck cares what John Taylor has to say? If he was helping the puppets he is a puppet. The Rothschild Empire MUST end.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:10 | 2562303 Abraxas
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So, uncertainty continues. How much longer can this circus go on?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:23 | 2562316 gjp
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It just goes on and on and on.  Just keep watching the clown show in Europe while the ringmasters in New York rake it in with their scams.  Look at these American markets off to the races again with their momo crap.

Please, just break up the Euro already so Wall Street can have its day in court (of mob justice)

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:12 | 2562509 Seer
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It's uncertain how long...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:09 | 2562304 Chupacabra-322
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Off Topic, pass it along.

DoD Current and Future U.S. Drone Activities Map

The following map depicts the approximate locations of current and planned Department of Defense unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) activities inside the U.S. The locations, service branches, and types of UAS flown were obtained from several publicly released DoD presentations. If you are aware of other DoD drone activities in the U.S. not listed below, please let us know.

http://publicintelligence.net/dod-us...ctivities-map/

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:44 | 2562395 francis_sawyer
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Iowa, Wyoming, & Idaho look pretty good...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:17 | 2562530 pods
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Is there going to be a season on them?  Or are they going to be treated like Starlings?

 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:10 | 2562307 Mountainview
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Austrian economics are not of much help if the situation is already catastrophic ( like in the US and Southern Europe)....

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:11 | 2562309 0z
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The answer is in Hoppe's work, Democracy: The God that Failed.

Democracy is worst than even Monarchy!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:40 | 2562389 ONO47
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H. L. Menchen

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard"

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:02 | 2562462 Seer
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"If it be admitted that a man, possessing absolute power, may misuse that power by wronging his adversaries, why should a majority not be liable to the same reproach? Men are not apt to change their characters by agglomeration nor does their patience in the presence of obstacles increase with the consciousness of their strength. And for these reasons I can never willingly invest any number of my fellow creatures with that unlimited authority which I should refuse to any one of them."

- Alexis Charles Henri Maurice Clerel de Tocqueville, "Democracy in America"

(de Tocqueville & Voltare, not bad for a couple of "Frenchies")

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 16:19 | 2562746 buckethead
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That post was erupting so much awesome I had to log in on the iPhone to green it up

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 06:50 | 2564376 falak pema
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Sophism personnified. I prefer Montesquieu, he was the third musketeer of Enlightenment (Voltaire, Rousseau, Montes), with Diderot as D'Artagnan summing it all up in one encylopedia. 

Separaton of powers, republican election in democratic mode to get the "best" to the top. We've never learnt anything better, although a philosopher king from time to time to clean out the Entropy effect; install order and rationality in reset; is not a bad idea. I'm thinking De Gaulle and FDR; but in small temporary doses! 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:53 | 2562418 Seer
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"Democracy is worst than even Monarchy!"

Nah-ah!  It's WORSTER!

This is all allowing the bad premise to sail right on by.  The QUESTION should be whether we HAVE to have "leaders" in the first place.  I believe that answering "yes" guarantees that you'll be under someone's thumb/boot, which is fine if you like that sort of thing (BUT, DO NOT! SUBJECT ME TO YOUR BSM FETISH!).

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:11 | 2562312 Dr. Engali
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The markets in chaos serves a purpose and it is not for our benefit.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:17 | 2562324 ebworthen
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Predictable policy?

Enforce regulations and rules of law?

My God! 

Wall Street and the Banksters wouldn't be able to rob pensioners, savers, and taxpayers!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:44 | 2562397 Encroaching Darkness
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@ebworthen:

You seem to grasp the problem. They cannot enforce the existing laws because Corzine, Dimon, Bernanke and about half of Washington Dc would go to jail. Besides, there aren't enough prosecutors available - all the DOJ ones are shredding documents, hiding them from Issa, chasing AZ LE types, keeping NBPP toughs out of jail, and so forth.

Corruption is strong with this lot....

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:56 | 2562431 Seer
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But so is the way of POWER... No matter how much people want to guard against corruption, the more power is concentrated the more it takes to battle it; and if everyone is either trying to gain power or stop its abuses then that means we won't be productive- sure-fire formula for disaster: and this pretty much sums up the current situation.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:21 | 2562343 MeBizarro
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Sure Rick.  Predictability in an unpredictable world.  Scheduled right after we find a readily available and accessible form of energy  to replace oil for transportation.  CNBC isn't worth watching.  Neither is Fox Business News.  Bloomberg occasionally because they at least tend to have less of this schtick and nonsense.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:30 | 2562350 Seer
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What the fuck do these people produce, really?  If things were left to the REAL world they'd disappear.  Are THEY ready for That?  I seriously doubt it; no, these folks just want to be able to have a "fairer" (as defined by them- gee, this kind of arbitrary thing sounds little different than what we have) seat at the carcass.

And, of "cliffs"... I DARE these folks to TRY and address how THEY see things NOT heading over a cliff if they're relying on the old [soon dead] paradigm of "perpetual growth [on a finite planet]."  I call these and all the other CLOWNS out.  I'm tired of them squealing away when what they stand for does NOTE address the fundamental flaws: yeah, sure, I appreciate them poking at the obviously shitty stuff, but to pretend like they are superior, and that if we were to only follow Their advice, no fucking way!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:36 | 2562370 JustObserving
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"Saving America's Economic Future"

What future?  Debt and unfunded liabilities per taxpayer are $1,188,246 per taxpayer now and increasing at about $200 per day or $72,000 per taxpayer per year. Ten years ago was too late to save America's future.

"Policy must be predictable"

Yes, it is very predictable - support the stock market and attack precious metals. Keep interest rates at near zero to benefit the big banks and top 1%.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:30 | 2563264 Dr. No
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America can be saved.  Default by the Federal government and the rise of power by the local governments.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:59 | 2562446 I am a Man I am...
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too bad 99 percent of america doesn't understand what they are talking about

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:02 | 2562461 ebworthen
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Is American Idol on tonight?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:04 | 2562455 Withdrawn Sanction
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So, how many angels CAN dance on the head of a pin?

Taylor's Rule is arbitrary.  Actual inflation vs. the Fed's preferred "target" level of inflation?  As if there were an optimal quantity of theft via inflation.  Actual real GDP vs potential.  There is so much potential for gamemanship in those measures (deflated nominal GDP, nominal GDP itself, produciton potential, etc.), it's not even funny.  Very small errors in computation of any one of them creates large errors in the result.  The Taylor rule substitutes precision for accuracy and thereby deludes the user into thinking he is more powerful than he actually is.

At bottom though the problem is not the arbitrariness of rules perse' but rather the idea that ANY rules depend critically on the integrity of the appliers.  And integrity matters less during fair weather than in foul.  In foul weather there will unbelievable pressure to abandon the rule in the favor of discretion (of DOING something).  IOW, when adherence to the rule is most critically needed, it is most likely to be abandonned.   (For proof consider the gold standard in the US during the 1930s, the gold-exchange standard in the 1970s, or MTM rules in the 2000s.)

I've got to hand it to Taylor though, he's got brass ones as big a pawn shop sign to be flogging his old horse on TV.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:17 | 2562531 AnAnonymous
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So, how many angels CAN dance on the head of a pin?

________________________

Classical US citizen hobby.

That is how US citizens approach issues.

For the fun, how many US citizens can support freedom, truth and justice?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:21 | 2562546 Seer
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The answer is: "quicksand"

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:16 | 2562909 akak
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Thirteen lazy red love!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:24 | 2563385 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Madness out the transfer of assets!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:44 | 2563930 akak
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The dostak distims the doshes!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:21 | 2562500 earleflorida
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Hayek '1935' excerpt:  

       "The characteristic peculiarity of these forms of credit is that they spring up without being subject to any central control, but once they have come into existence their convertibility into other forms of money must be possible if a collaspe of credit is to be avoided"

http://www.cafehayek.com/2009/01/the-shadow-banking-system.html

thankyou tyler

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:25 | 2562558 shovelhead
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Where's the unpredictability?

They're going to do whatever it takes to save the broke ass gamblers and their Ponzi fraud until they can't make it work anymore,  then It blows up and collapses.

Pretty damn predictable to me. Mr. von Mises thinks so as well. What's the fix? 100% Taxes for 100 years?

These bankster guys (and partners, US Gov.) are a friggin pack of monkeys with hammers.

 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:37 | 2562602 Seer
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Still misses the point that we've passed peak per capita energy availability.  As this ratio drops (less energy per capita) it necessarily means that only productive activities can occur.  Carry this out to its logical end and "enforcement" actions, which heretofore have been the "organizing" mechanism, disappear then all the fluffy talk about "property rights" and whatnot also disappear.

This is nothing but a continued beating of a dead horse, that it's by a pack of monkeys or otherwise means very little, as the SAME result will occur unless people face the REAL hard issue of how to achieve sustainability: hint: it ain't via any "growth as the [indirect or direct] goal" strategy.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 01:08 | 2564093 Vidar
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It seems to me we are at a time in the history of economics similar to the time of Copernicus and Galileo in the history of astronomy (with Mises and Rothbard as Copernicus and Galileo). Keynesian and neo-classical economics are like the geocentric theory: supported by the powers that be because of their vested interests and their need to be "right" about everything, while Austrian economics is like the heliocentric theory: supposedly "radical" and "out-there" but the only theory that really meshes with the facts and observations.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 03:20 | 2564242 Tommy Gunner
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Couple of things.

To those living in Crazy Town - what the fuck does it matter even if Obama was born in Nigeria?   Considering the scale of the crimes commited by Wall Street - that MSM glosses over - why are you wasting so much time on moot issue?   Could it be you can't stand a black man as president?

 

As for saving America and the world here's the solution:

- elect a president who cuts taxes

- who fills the gap with borrowed money creating 'prosperity'

- voila... problem solved

Oh, right, that was already tried - apparently that is what is referred to as voodoo economics... the exact policy that got us into this mess.

 

I read that France has run deficit budgets for 35 STRAIGHT years - I am sure other than a brief period under Clinton the US could come very close to matching that.... as could most 'developed' countries.

Ronald Raygun and his bastardization of Keynesism for President!!!

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 03:39 | 2564254 e_goldstein
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