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Santelli On Capital Flight And Bond Contagion

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While it will be no surprise to any ZH reader (with our attention to Swiss 2Y rates) the world is undergoing a massive capital flight to safety. Rick Santelli gave this topic his special treatment today, pointing out that "capital is detouring - to avoid risk", and outlining just how big a 'crash' lower in yields we have seen among many of the supposedly safest sovereigns as money floods to safe-havens (including UK, US, Japan, Germany, and Holland). What is most important is that Rick outlines why we should care - when all around are yawning on about how cheap 'dividend' stocks must be given low interest rates - since it changes the nature of capital (the life-blood of our markets) from risk-taking to absolute safety-seeking - as he points out that "it isn't necessarily about our own economy's numbers, it isn't even about who we export to; it's the fact that if capital continues to get somewhat impaired, you'll have more data points as investors not only rethink about their capital but everybody rethinks everything in the capital structure that makes business go round."

 

 

10Y Yields across many majors (and Spain)...

Chart: Bloomberg

 

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Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:39 | 2480687 Sircornflakes
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This isn't news, we've been waiting for it since 2008.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:45 | 2480705 Convolved Man
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Fortunately, I TiVo'd 2008 to 2012 and can now fast forward through all the crap to get to "The End".

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:49 | 2480720 Sancho Ponzi
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Bernanke: "I'll do everything in my power to force people into equties"

The whole freaking world replies: "Fuck you, Bernanke"

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:04 | 2480783 Manthong
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“everybody rethinks everything in the capital structure that makes business go round”

It is not at all hard to model capital flow in the new Fed and central bank distorted economy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoS-MCnTPtQ

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:13 | 2480807 janus
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in case you ran out of space on the ole tiVo, here ya go:

 

this is the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4WJlLNIsyY

beautiful friend,

janus

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:30 | 2480879 financial apoca...
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Aside from a few big fights, very rarely do I see these CNBC faggot anchors debate Rick Santelli over the economy and the topic he discusses.

It's always, "Good Job Rick" or "very interesting, Rick" or "Nice to hear from you, Rick Santelli from Chicago"

These Pieces of Shit treat Mad Ricky over there like Ron Paul was a few months back, FIRE EM ALL

I'd wouldn't mind getting all the news from him, we can keep Becky Q to suck Buffett's dick every once in a while so we can get a good laugh out of his bullshit recommendations

Peace

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 18:31 | 2481548 DonGenaro
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Bloomberg's no better.
If Buffett farts, they all line up in hopes of getting a whiff.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:10 | 2482204 smb12321
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I wish folks would calm down.  For christ sake, you'd think CNBC has committed the unpardonable sin by not extolling the exact economic philosophy as Tyler.  It's an entertainment show that contains (at times) interesting and oertinent data and market sentiment.  I like the give and take between hosts (Rick is by far my fave) but you do get different points of view AND it's the only place besides FOX that dares speak ill of POTUS.

SOme folks have some real issues if they get worked up to fever pitch over a damn TV show.

 

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:54 | 2484430 financial apoca...
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its supposed to be america's premier FINANCIAL NEWS channel not entertainment, but sadly it is

although its not your fault--- with all the stupid advertisments, lame stoner documentaries at night and clowns as anchors, anyone could mistake it for an entertainment source.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:39 | 2480689 Robot Traders Mom
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@ Tyler-any idea why the Jan 14 TBT leaps just spiked?

 

Very unusual to see a jump like that.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:41 | 2480694 101 years and c...
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dividend paying stocks offer safety.  as long as you ignore the potential for 50%+ losses on capital just to get the whopping 3% yield.  and the inevitable cancellation of that 3% yield when things get bad.

 

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:43 | 2480699 disabledvet
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Banks were the highest dividend yielders going into the market collapse of 2008. Hmmmm. What are the highest yieldeds this time? Let me guess: "gold miners."

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:54 | 2480739 Pladizow
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Poor guess!

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 16:09 | 2481012 The Monkey
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Agency real estate investment trusts.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 16:12 | 2481019 prodigious_idea
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So you're guessing?  Why waste your time posting?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:56 | 2480747 duo
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why save and accumulate capital if you can't save it anywhere you to beat inflation without the risk of being Corzine'd?  Capitalism without capital is dead.  Thanks, Ben.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:51 | 2480954 brooklynlou
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Nothing like picking pennies from the front of a moving steamroller ...

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 16:27 | 2481061 Zero Govt
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The Fed and US Govt killed capitlism (working) in 2008 with the bailouts

you don't get a recovery if you prop up the old dinosaurs and you don't get green shoots if the dead-rotten wood is still clogging up the forest canopy

Bubble Ben 'studied' the Great Depression, what part did he look at soup kitchens?!!

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:43 | 2480696 Boilermaker
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Capital is avoiding risk???!

I just saw the equities markets have a massive reversal even in the face of abysmal data.  That's not avoiding risk.  What is Rick smokin?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:58 | 2480755 duo
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you have to accumulate capital safely.  Try opening a McDonalds by paying them $1500 a month.  You can't.  You gotta have $250K of CAPITAL.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:02 | 2480768 Baron Robber
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Santelli is a schill for the banks and he certainly won't discuss exactly who the ECB is bailing out in Europe - the TBTF banks.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 16:12 | 2481021 The Monkey
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Everyone in equity land is waiting for the big Euro bounce (since everything is nearly 100% correlated on FX).  Healthy market for sure.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:45 | 2480703 geewhiz190
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seen on the new arrivals desk in a bookstore- "How to make money in Junk Bonds", right next to discount rack selection "Flip This Condo".

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:45 | 2480704 Cognitive Dissonance
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I love the "Safe is a Relative Term" in the video still.

How exactly do you define "safe" in a world of risk assets run amuck........starting with the so-called lowest risk asset, USA sovereign debt?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:46 | 2480707 LoneStarHog
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Jim Willie gives an excellent explanation of why there IS NO FLIGHT TO SAFETY < http://traffic.libsyn.com/tfmetals/Willie2.mp3 > I would love to listen to Rick and Jim debate this issue.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:46 | 2480708 Dr. Engali
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When all this money starts flying out of this bond bubble it's going to shock the world. It will make the equity bubble look like a pimple.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:51 | 2480723 disabledvet
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"cue: Espana."

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:53 | 2480732 Bastiat
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If 10% more went into gold it would rock the world.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:53 | 2480733 CommunityStandard
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Time for everyone to get Proactiv and buy phys.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:59 | 2480757 Pladizow
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But I dont have zits?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:51 | 2480727 slackrabbit
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The black hole begins....more and more 'investors' move closer to the event horizon to avoid the outer risk chaos....or more and more sheeple head to the big opium den in the city to avoid the outlying gang wars in the burbs....the only way is down, either way

 

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:02 | 2480771 Dr. Richard Head
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When you get to the fork in the road, take it. - Yogi Berra

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:15 | 2480826 Piranhanoia
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I grabbed the fork and ate.  It was a simple solution and I was hungry.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:52 | 2480728 azzhatter
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I hope Rick sealed off the hot tub in his back yard. He's way to truthful for CNBC. He was dissing the fed this morning and I swear LIESman had tears in his eyes.

BTW- Mandy is flashing the Druries again today, I'm guessing ratings really suck. Next week they are installing a pole for her to broadcast from

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 17:16 | 2481203 Roandavid
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That was Bernanke cum in Liesman's eyes.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:05 | 2481982 tom a taxpayer
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I'm randy for Mandy.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:13 | 2482214 smb12321
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Liesman has the advantage of hogging all the time and STILL can't hold a candle to Rick.  I love Santelli when he gets going!

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:51 | 2480729 zerotohero
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There isn't anything that is truly safe - just perhaps "safer".

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:54 | 2480736 slackrabbit
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i have a gold  tooth that says  'bite me' :-)

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:57 | 2480750 zerotohero
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don't smile around the wrong people.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 01:19 | 2482610 StychoKiller
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Or, just start chowin' on their facez!

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:52 | 2480731 Seasmoke
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just buy all the van Goghs you can people !

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:56 | 2480745 Mark123
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The basement is on fire....quick....run into the attic!!

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:05 | 2480788 slackrabbit
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dude, you have truely summed it up!

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:02 | 2480769 Mark123
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I recall that Rogoff/Reinhart study saying that about 3 years after a banking crisis you have the sovereign debt crisis....hmmm....are we there yet?  You can hear the supports creaking as the stress overwhelms the duct tape holding this together.

 

If this rigged market does fall apart it will be wild.  All the pension funds, government services, everything will be destroyed.  That is why it can't happen!!!  Bernanke et al won't let it!!

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:09 | 2480795 slackrabbit
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True.

Print Ben print....print the economy back.

 

This is like a real game of Alan Wake - 'If I believe hard enough, I can write my dead wife back'....and if it works - its pet cemetery time for the dollar

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:03 | 2480778 Temporalist
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Lemmings led by sheep who are owned by wolves.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:11 | 2480800 yabyum
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The blind leading the nekkid.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:14 | 2480810 StockHut
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No way Santelli gets a bonus from CNBC this year. He tells the truth way too much.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:18 | 2480838 ArkansasAngie
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I have cash.  I want to invest it.  I've looked at my local real estate and can't find anything that is priced at what I consider its economic vale.  I'm not in the market.  I'm not going to buy bonds for any duration and short term stuff is irrelvant.  Seriously ... I'm thinking that I'll lose less money sitting out by my pool this summer than anything else I can do.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 16:02 | 2480984 brooklynlou
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Want to make some money this summer? Invest in a pop corn machine ...

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 16:24 | 2481053 The Monkey
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If the market deflates, you make money just by sitting in cash.  Your cash will be worth more on the other side.

Bonds are pricey, I would just sit tight for a year.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 16:32 | 2481073 Rubbish
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You just gotta love North Central Arkansas, I think there is 1 bank for every 75 people. Come look me up on Bull Shoals, we can compare wads.

 

Wheeeee !

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:24 | 2480853 yabyum
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Arkansas, Is your pool above ground or ? Just kidding ;). Sitting by the pool may be the way to go as long as your money is in sight.  A little popcorn will help idle away the dog days of money.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:28 | 2480865 Stuck on Zero
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This flight to safety makes me wonder why the passengers of the Titanic didn't all move over to the iceberg?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:47 | 2480943 drink or die
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By the time they finally accepted that the ship was going down, the iceberg was too far away to get to.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:30 | 2480873 Encroaching Darkness
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Sorry, Arkansas Angie, google "Weimar Germany" or "Argentina" or "currency collapse" to see what happens to those who hold cash too long. Perhaps shelf-stable food, gold coins or diesel fuel?

Good luck whatever you choose, we're all going to need some good luck to get by.

edit - Argentina

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:53 | 2480960 world_debt_slave
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Rick for POTUS

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 16:01 | 2480983 grey7beard
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Fuck Santelli.  He's just another shill for one of the factions.  If someone can't put personal politics aside long enough to give unbiased assessemnts, they're not worth listening to.  Santelli is one of those.  Too bad as he's obviously bright.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:44 | 2482108 Money 4 Nothing
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Santilli is the only host on the show that's not afraid to tell the truth. I like when he is off the chain.

 

-JP

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:32 | 2482536 Peter K
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Santelli is the ONLY reason worth watching ComedyNBC:)

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 16:27 | 2481057 prodigious_idea
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What a waste of time watching CNBC (unless you want to see what P&G is selling).

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 17:42 | 2481341 Snakeeyes
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I love Santelli, but only if Europe improves will we see OUR Treasury yields rise. Its almost like The Fed is rooting for The Med countries to flounder. But once they get better, he will use QE or Twist3 to push down rates.

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/ism-drops-to-52-7-10-year-treasury-yield-falls-to-1-56-will-they-or-wont-they-fed-policy-shift/

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