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Sarkozy: Europe's "Liquidity Run" Has Begun Because There Is An Unsolvable $30 Trillion Problem

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No, not that Sarkozy. His half-brother - the one who actually can use a calculator. In an interview on CNBC, the Carlyle group head had the temerity to tell the truth, the whole truth, and use math - that long-forgotten concept which one has to scour various backwater blogs to rediscover - to explain nothing but the truth which is that Europe needs many more trillions than either the EFSF or the ECB can afford to give. Actually, we take that back. The ECB can inject the needed €3-5 trillion, but after that concerns about localized episodes of (hyper)inflation, especially now that Kocherlakota has confirmed that the transmission mechanism between bank reserves and inflation may be broken, will be all too justified. In the meantime, Sarkozy on Europe math fail: "The math i'm working with is very simple. In the US banking sector, we had 3 trillion of wholesale funding that needed to be stabilized, got stabilized by the implementation of TARP which saw the US treasury buy $212 billion worth of preferred in the banking sector to stabilize that $3 trillion, give our banks the time to work through hair problem their problem assets. In Europe, that $3 trillion is $30 trillion. so if you multiply the $212 by 10, you get the $2.12 trillion. In my view, the issues on the European banks are bigger than the issues on the books of the US Banks. So if you want to stabilize that $30 trillion and in my view it's not that you want to, it's that you have to, you do not have a choice, you're going to have to be at least at 2.1 trillion and i suspect it may need to be more." Q.E.D. - there, the math wasn't that difficult, was it?

And for his other clips from the morning click here and here.


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Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:03 | 1906891 BaBaBouy
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EL PRINTO Time, Bitchez ...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:05 | 1906911 eureka
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US Gov needs $60 + TRILLION !!!

Q: What backs USD?

A: $300 Million US/IRS tax-slaves.

Ron Paul 2012.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:19 | 1906946 BaBaBouy
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They are Printing Infinite Paper Gold, so whats the problem printing Infinite Paper Fiats ???

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:20 | 1906974 camaro68ss
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Why dont they start digging up silver out of the ground to pay down there debt? it only cost $5 to do so. Well maybe $6, inflations has been working shovel market. lol

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:08 | 1907203 Sudden Debt
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The fucking Carlyle group man! That's one of the most crooked investment firms on earth! Goldman sach X 1000 !

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:39 | 1907348 JoeSexPack
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2nd only to Crown Corporation for NWO insiders.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:27 | 1907541 SDRII
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Olivier Sarkozy was born to Pal Sarkozy de Nagy-Bocsa and Christine de Ganay. His father was previously married to Andrée Mallah and had three children with her, including Nicolas and Guillaume, whom Sarkozy met with weekly during his early childhood. Christine de Ganay divorced and then married Frank G. Wisner, an American diplomat, when Sarkozy was only 7 years of age. He spent the rest of his childhood and adolescence outside of France, living in Zambia, Egypt, and British boarding school, though Sarkozy still met his half-brothers during the summer months. Sarkozy later studied at the University of St Andrews, where he earned an M.A. in medieval history.[1]Wiki

Frank G Wisner: - From Wiki: "Wisner was involved in a diplomatic gaffe during the pro-democracy uprising in Egypt in early 2011.[5] The Obama administration asked Wisner to carry views to Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak, including advice that Mubarak should resign to defuse the crisis. Wisner was not successful in convincing the dictator of the wisdom of the administration's suggestions. Just 4 days later, after a day in which Mubarak allies took violent reprisal against democracy activists, Wisner spoke to a security conference in Europe and called it "crucial" that Mubarak stay on in the interest of "stability", in direct contradiction of the American policy he had been asked to convey.

OTher highlights:

Currently, on Boards of ALICO and the AIG Investment Bank in Russia. Mr. Wisner is on the Board of Hakluyt, a British corporate investigation firm. His non-profit board affiliations include Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the American University of Beirut, the American University of Cairo, the American School of Tangiers, Refugees' International, United Service Organization, The Metropolitan Museum of Art's Business Committee, Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown, Princeton University's Middle Eastern Affairs Advisory Board and The American Hospital in Paris.

Frank's Father: - From Wiki: Frank Gardiner Wisner (June 23, 1909 – October 29, 1965) was head of Office of Strategic Services operations in southeastern Europe at the end of World War II, and the head of the Directorate of Plans of the Central Intelligence Agency during the 1950s.




Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:07 | 1907749 JW n FL
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Uploaded by on Nov 22, 2011

Every week Max Keiser looks at all the scandal behind the financial news headlines. This week Max Keiser and co-host, Stacy Herbert, discuss the Koch Brothers and MF Global and Northern Rock and Richard Branson's blonde hair and big, shiny teeth. In the second half of the show, Max talks to independent radio journalist Richard Thomas about Occupy LSX, poll tax riots and financial apartheid.

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For instance, privately held Koch Industries -- whose
businesses make it a leading commodities trader -- sent a
letter to trading partners on Oct. 3 saying it was switching
eight accounts from MF Global to Mizuho Securities USA.

Koch Industries did not comment on the reason for its move.


After 20 PLUS Years! Profitable Years!! BILLIONS! are moved just before the melt down occurs.


Corzine, Team Blue! Lt. for the Democrats!


Team Red Lt.'s Koch's??

But I thought Team Blue Hated Team Red?

I thought Team Red Hated Team Blue??

The only people who believe in Team Blue and Team Red are the Sheep.

The FACT is.. and thats the Truth!


AND! anyone who doesnt know these JEW"S! are FUCKING ALL OF US!! BETTER WAKE UP!

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Anyone actively involved in the member’s investment banking or securities business must be registered as a representative with FINRA. Their duties may include supervision, solicitation, or training of persons associated with the member.

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::::::::CME Knew of MF Global Fund Shortfall Before CFTC Regulators?::::::::

Only days prior to the zombie financial broker that filed for bankruptcy, MF Global conducted “unexplained wire transfers” that brought on a $900 million shortfall in client funds. Customers like Gerald Celente learned that their accounts had been robbed. This is setting a precedent for -internal- bank runs as more big firms begin to go under.

This from BLOOMBERG: ...“Examiners from CME Group Inc., the world’s largest futures exchange, found unexplained wire transfers at MF Global Inc. and a $900 million shortfall in client funds during the weekend the failing broker was talking with possible buyers, a person briefed on the matter said.”

On October 30th the CME had noticed these funds were missing, yet MF Global didn’t bother to inform the Commodity Futures Trading Commission until the following day after, which suggests that these transfers were made, “in a manner that may have been designed to avoid detection,” according to CME.


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Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:04 | 1908777 smiler03
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FFS! I gave up on your first line, "Uploaded by  on Nov 22, 2011"

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 18:35 | 1999163 Optimusprime
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Great research!  Thanks for the links.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:37 | 1908964 Buck Johnson
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You get what happened at MF Global and what is about to happen at Jeffries.  The EU doesn't know where to get that amount of money.  They can try to print but Germany flat out refuses and even if they wanted too all that would do is cause inflation going into hyper inflation.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:20 | 1906968 OMG
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Wrong answer Debt backs the USD & tons of it!


It is enforcable by the WAR tools that the United States Corporation Of America posses.

The U.S. Navy is the largest in the world; its battle fleet tonnage is greater than that of the next 13 largest navies combined.[4] The U.S. Navy also has the world's largest carrier fleet, with 11 in service, one under construction (two planned), and one in reserve.


The United States was the first country to develop nuclear weapons, and is the only country to have used them in warfare,

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:35 | 1907042 earnulf
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Only the nuclear powered naval vessels are immune to sudden shocks in fuel supplies and ships sink.   Plus, much of the US military naval power is projected Air Power (carriers) or missile carriers (Subs and Cruisers)    Nothing that can't be done by land based military units.

As far as being the first to develop, we were actually late to the game.    If we hadn't sabotaged the Germans, the Third Reich might have been first and you can bet that the German Leader at that time (what was his name....) would have used such technology with glee.

While it can be argued that the nuclear bombs that were deployed killed (conservatively 225,000 in Hiroshima and Nagasaki) several hundred thousand people, the planned invasion of the Japanese Home Islands would have likely resulted in a death toll of 370,000 american military and 1.6 million wounded.   Japanese casualties would be even higher.     You might also note that despite being the first to use a nuclear weapon, we have not used one since and have fought since then to keep others from using them.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:22 | 1907247 rlouis
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A strategic reality of the nuclear navy is that the navy can park a potential nuclear disaster just offshore of most nations. Sink a carrier and suffer environmental nuclear consequences.   Has all the makings for a Kurt Vonnegut novel.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:41 | 1907360 Iwanttoknow
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There is not one iota of evidence that hitler was anywhere close to developing a some history.Heisenberg,who headed the german program,met Neils Bohr secertly and promised to make sure that the porgram does not go anywhere.He kept his promise.

Japan had anounced the terms of surrender on national radio before Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked.None of them were military targets.Oppenheimer begged for a demonstrationstion of a nuclear explosion instead of dropping them on civilia

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:55 | 1907985 DonutBoy
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Really?   That is news.

Do you have a reference for Japanese terms of surrender being announced before Hiroshima & Nagasaki?

Do you think America should have refrained from developing nuclear weapons because of a second-hand report of a remark from one physicist?


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:18 | 1908633 Iwanttoknow
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As soon as I get off from work, I'll post the reference.No,this is not news to people who are not raised on propaganda.Read some books on the history of development of Atomic weapons.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:32 | 1908954 Iwanttoknow
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Here is the reference.If you need more,do let me know. 

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:32 | 1908955 Iwanttoknow
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Here is the reference.If you need more,do let me know. 

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:45 | 1907382 lincolnsteffens
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Probably all true I recall the Japanese were trying to do what many States of Europe and the US had done like conquering other nations or regions for their own pillaging. The Western Powers didn't like the Japanese idea and started to encircle the Japanese access to (ta dahhh) oil. What ever, we didn't attack Japan's naval fleet and start moving troops to claim islands (ta dahhh) we thought "belonged to us". So don't start a fight you can't predict the outcome of (which means just about any fight) except like Panama and Grenada.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:15 | 1908816 Iwanttoknow
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I was not trying to defend either Japanese or german imperialism.My point was our imperialism is bad as others.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:53 | 1907134 RafterManFMJ
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This, from the W. TimeS?


Making money disappear

The major world governments are in the process of destroying the value of the money their citizens hold. On Nov. 16, the Cato Institute held its annual monetary conference. Speakers included high-ranking officials from the Federal Reserve and monetary experts from the academy, think thanks and financial institutions. There was unanimous agreement that the world monetary system is in deep trouble, which is obvious to anyone who keeps up with the news. It is easier to observe the problem than to come up with a solution.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:00 | 1906893 rambler6421
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Leverage is a bitch........bitchez!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:00 | 1906894 knight99
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c u later euro bitchez!!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:09 | 1906930 topcallingtroll
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We should probably wish the european people well,

and their oligarchic, crony socio-capitalists hell.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:28 | 1907002 Hearst
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Why Europeans in general have not flocked to Gold and Silver yet is a mystery to me.  I know some have.  I've read that Germans especially are diversified. But it doesn't seem like most of Europe realize that between outright default and monetization, the later will be utilized as history has shown.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:59 | 1907155 XXL66
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some have, but you cannot believe how the prestitutes bash gold. They even bring "well respected economic professors" like Paul de Grauwe on tv saying gold has crashed and it's a bubble like L&H.

It is very difficult to convince people to buy fysical gold, even my 76 old father we knew what gold did stand for during the war still didn't buy any since i said to do so end 2008 and it has gone up 100% in euro's.

btw, local Joe Sixpack just watches his favorite series like "The bold and the beautiful"...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:39 | 1907346 terryfuckwit
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listen up i buy small every week in the uk... i don't talk to very many here about it.. they think you are tin foil hat 20%vat which makes me look an even bigger fuckwit... the dealers i buy from tell me they are busy especially during the big take downs...telegraph news paper reported oil chemical and silver imports having a big negative impact on the defecit.. so me not the only fuckwit

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:20 | 1908826 smiler03
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Terry!! You must truly be a fuckwit of gargantuan proportions if you are paying VAT on buying gold.

Just search for "gold coins" on the Revenue & Customs website.

Investment coins, including Krugerrands & American Eagles are VAT free!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:03 | 1906899 Bam_Man
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And where does this $2-3 trillion come from?

The Credit Fairy?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:07 | 1906920 Decay is Constant
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Just sighted, UFO's are landing and offering to buy Euro bonds.  It just so happens that they have 2.1 Trillion.

What luck!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:18 | 1906961 Shitters_Full
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Quick, call Krugman and start the war machine.  We can take care of all this 'recession' business at once.  Scramble the F-16s.  It's on!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:44 | 1907615 spanky bernanke
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War is the end game of Drugman's arguments. I hadn't read that before.


I mean if earthquakes and hurricains are good, war is a Godsend.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:35 | 1907040 srsly-wtf
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Benny and the (Ink)Jets

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:04 | 1906903 Quintus
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Oh dear.  The family gathering will be a frosty affair chez Sarkozy this Christmas....

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:15 | 1906949 GeneMarchbanks
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Don't worry. I don't think Hungarian Jews celebrate Christmas. Frosty-ness spared.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:04 | 1906904 fonzanoon
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It's almost noon. Time for them to float a rumor.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:04 | 1906907 Snakeeyes
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This is getting ugly. Look at Belgian and German intraday bond yields!

Belgium Dexia Debt Woes, Germany's Debt Issuance Debacle - Obama Spares Two Turkeys (NOT Belgium and Germany)

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:58 | 1907163 The Big Ching-aso
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Looks like the Belgians are starting to waffle on their bonds.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:04 | 1906908 GeneMarchbanks
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SDRs! Get your piping hot SDRs here!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:04 | 1906909 kaa1016
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It was refreshing to hear a bit of truth instead of the typical everything is great, America's best days are ahead of it fluff (Trump, Langone, etc.), without actually acknowledging the elephant in the room, global involvency.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:11 | 1906937 DB Cooper
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Sarkosy and Kyle Bass are so calm and confident and contrast that to the Bernank who looks and sounds like he's going to pee his pants any second.  Makes me quite sure who I can believe in!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:17 | 1906960 kaa1016
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Without a doubt, two very confident and competent people.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:05 | 1907189 rufusbird
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It helps when you believe what you are saying...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:05 | 1906912 Village Smithy
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Hey Mr. Sarkozy do you need a good caretaker for that nice farm of yours? Will work for food and lodging.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:09 | 1906915 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Sarkozy: Europe's "Liquidity Run" Has Begun Because There Is An Unsolvable $30 Trillion Problem"

30 trillion here, 30 trillion there. Before you know it, it all adds up to some "real" money. :)

Buy Gold and Silver, then have some Precious Metals for lunch.

Edible Gold

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:10 | 1906932 Spastica Rex
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Just imagine what would happen should the spell ever be broken on a global scale.


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:12 | 1906940 Mike2756
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I think we are there.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:48 | 1907111 CH1
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Just imagine what would happen should the spell ever be broken on a global scale.

Yeah... welcome back to history.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:55 | 1907144 greensnacks
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And here is what is being propagated to the masses:


Quick, start buying! It was all a mistake. yeeeech!



Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:18 | 1906962 Dr. Richard Head
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Gives new meaning to "shitting a brick".

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:36 | 1907048 srsly-wtf
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A $Trillion is not what it used to be....

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:39 | 1909534 jonjon831983
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+ cuz that looks delicious. What is that?


Gold foil with some sort of super chocolate bowl?

Or is it gold foil with a truffle?



Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:07 | 1906916 topcallingtroll
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I still love Europe and Europeans.
Most of us real Americans do.
However dependency must be stopped and socialism must die.

Bye bye socialism. We heardly knew ye.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:09 | 1906931 crawldaddy
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yeah socialism was the problem, oh brother..Where do you people come from.. oh yeah. FOX ..

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:18 | 1906942 topcallingtroll
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Well....they certainly arent wasting all that money on military spending unlike the USA.

Pray tell, then where is this insurmountable debt and suffocating tax money being spent?

Transfer payments, government make work jobs, etc. Free shit for the people!

Or perhaps you have a chart that shows some other way this money is being spent? Ninety percent is to government workers and transfer payments either direct or indirect

The European socialists ran out of OPM a long time ago. Now they borrow money with the pledge their descendents will pay it back.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:33 | 1907032 Piranhanoia
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The money goes to paying off bets idiot.  Where the hell have you been, under a rock? 

calling fascism socialism makes you as smart as fux news.  Well, not really,  they know they can't tell the truth or they lose a job.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:37 | 1907057 crawldaddy
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exactly, the problem isnt and has never been that some governemnt worker gets decent dental coverage.  ALl that does is circulate money within an economy.


The problem lies in allowing our banks to leverage themselves 30 to 1, and then come running to mommy anytime anything spooks them.  The problem lies in de regulation, in unbridled usury, in crony capitalism.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:39 | 1907065 srsly-wtf
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Turn Fox off then, go back to MSNBC where you feel warm all over....and wait for the end.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:44 | 1907089 crawldaddy
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end of what?  please people and their thunderdome fantasies.  America is just gonna turn into mexico.  Last I checked mexico still exist and people arent cage fighting in the streets.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:05 | 1907137 fuu
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Pretty sure they do cage fight in the streets. After you kill all the police in your town it's easier to get a permit.

Booming business in tires down there.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:21 | 1907224 crawldaddy
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yeah and its not like we in the US dont have 1.3 million gang members and large parts of every american city that you cant even think about walking around in after dark,  oh yeah actually we do

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:33 | 1907306 fuu
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In Mexico there are large parts of THE COUNTRY you can't walk around DURING THE DAY in.

If that is where we are heading it sounds pretty Thunderdome to me.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:30 | 1907557 lotsoffun
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and +3 million in prison.  what a wonderful statistic.



Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:16 | 1907795 JW n FL
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Wall Street get 4 times more money than the U.S. Military.. The U.S. Military is running how mnay wars? But Wall Street get 4 TIMES MORE TAX DOLLARS!


Poor People.. Social Security.. Un-Employment Benefits..

If you take ALL! the social services of America.. and add them up.. it equals 7% - 8%.. in this economy.. so 3% - 5% in a strong economy.. of GDP.. We in America.. Regardless of what the Tax Rate is supposed to be.. can NOT! collect over 8% in taxes??

The Tax Loop Holes??

Never mind, You dumb fucking sheep dont want to know the truth! you want to re-enforce your own ignorance.. now go google something until you find someone who agrees with your ignorance.. dont pick up a calculator and figure out this shit for yourself.


The Top 0.1% Of The Nation Earn Half Of All Capital Gains

By Robert Lenzner | Forbes – 10 hrs ago


Capital gains are the key ingredient of income disparity in the US-- and the force behind the winner takes all mantra of our economic system. If you want  even out earning power in the U.S, you have to raise the 15% capital gains tax.

Income and wealth disparities  become even more  absurd  if we look at the top 0.1% of the nation's earners-- rather than the more common 1%. The top 0.1%--  about 315,000 individuals out of 315 million--  are making about half of all capital gains on the sale of shares or property after 1 year; and these capital gains make up 60% of the income made by the Forbes 400.

It's crystal clear that the Bush  tax reduction on capital gains and dividend income in 2003 was the cutting edge policy that has created the immense increase in  net worth of corporate executives, Wall St. professionals  and other entrepreneurs.

The reduction in the tax  from 20% to 15%  continued the step-by-step tradition  of cutting this tax to create more wealth.  It had first been reduced from 35% in 1978 at a time of stock market and economic stagnation  to 28% .  Again 1981, at the start of the Reagan era, it was reduced again  to 20%-- raised back to 28% in 1987, on the eve of the October 19 232% crash in the market. In 1997 Clinton agreed to reduce it back to 20%, which move was an inducement for the explosion of hedge funds and private equity firms-- the most "rapidly rising cohort within the top 1 per cent."

Make no mistake; the battle that is to be fought over  the coming attempt to reverse this reduction in capital gains  will be bloody and intense. The facts are clear according to the Congressional Budget Office  more than 80%  of the increase in income inequality was the result of an increase in the share of household income from capital gains. In fact, you can go so far as to claim that "Capital Gains income is the most unevenly distributed-- and volatile-- source of household  income," according to Laura D'Andrea Tyson,  University of California  business professor and former chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Clinton.

No wonder the super wealthy plutocrats  obtained the largest share of national income-- 25% of the nation's wealth- greater than any other  industrial nation in the  the period of 1979 to 2005. Make no mistake; after unemployment-- this disparity between the 1%-- 3 million-- or the 0.1%-- the 300,000-- and the other  312 million citizens of the U.S. has become the major theme of the Occupy Wall Street movement-- and an important national debate.

I commend you to the late Justice Louis Brandeis warning to the nation that " We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the  hands of a few, but we can't have both." We have to make up our minds to restore a higher, fairer  capital gains tax to the wealthiest investor class-- or ultimately face increased social unrest.



Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:14 | 1906945 MachoMan
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I would like for you to materially distinguish between socialism and crony capitalism.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:21 | 1906979 Spastica Rex
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Jesus - tyranny is tyranny.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:48 | 1907113 Schmuck Raker
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Funny you should mention religion there...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:50 | 1907116 CH1
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Don't feed the trolls.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:24 | 1906990 topcallingtroll
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crony capitalists care not if they live in feudalism or socialism as long as they can codify the laws to provide themselves wirh subsidies and rent seeking opportunities.

They really hate free markets with no bailouts. They dont want to have to actually face real compwtition and the possibility of failure.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:34 | 1907038 crawldaddy
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right, thats crony capitalism, thats not socialism.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:33 | 1907320 MachoMan
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That is literally the same thing that occurs in the real world once socialism is implemented.  We have been warned of this numerous times, probably the most notable is the observation that some animals are more equal on animal farm.  It is ALWAYS about the concentration of power to a few...  there is no discernable difference, materially, between the two.  What is the real difference between being a member of the "party" and being a "crony"?

To answer my own question, about the only possible distinction is that the barking dogs are fed just a few more table scraps under a crony capitalist society...  or that crony capitalism is just a stop ahead of socialism on the line of economic models when viewed from the perspective of individual sovereignty.

What this collapse will prove is that the boom bust cycle and the machinations of the past economic systems are total failures and something more stable is necessary.  Hopefully we can devise something on the fly that is a perfect solution.  I'm not holding my breath.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:47 | 1907950 crawldaddy
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not even close.  Mu god is our educational this bad?  oh right it is.


Crony capitalism is the raping of a countries resources by a few for the few under the protection of the few.  Read your american history, almost all the wealthiest families got so with the help of US resource giveaways.


Paying middleclass workers a livable salary is not the problem. 


God damn so many are so easily mindfucked.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:49 | 1907962 MachoMan
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And, about that top brass of the party???

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:26 | 1906996 Decay is Constant
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Let's see.  Wiki has a definition of economic socialism that goes:

Socialist economies are based upon production for use and the direct allocation of economic inputs to satisfy economic demands and human needs.

Cronie capitalism is when friends of the government who are in control of various corporations and too big to fail financial institutions decide on the use and the direct allocation of economic inputs to satisfy their own economic demands and human needs.

It's all about who's driving.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:38 | 1907060 Piranhanoia
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Entropy is refreshing. I think your definition of CC is very close to the goals of fascism circa 1933-2012. The kind our banks banked on for a profit in hard times.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:52 | 1907379 earleflorida
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that's right. it's about who's driving. last i looked, it was the government/ military & scientist, etc., that wanted a internet back in the late 50's - the early 60's visionaries of coast-to-coast direct communication was now a reality. fast forward half a century and the gov't/ military still controls content if push comes to shove.

the blog`osphere can be shut down easily to civilians! have you noticed the ham-radio operators setting-up shop all over the world. why? because content can be scrambled instantaneously on every server made in the world with manufacturer's internal codes ready to implement on 'big brother's command'


PS.  wiMAX & Clearwire's love affair

PS2. in the late 80's & early 90's when prime GHz. spectrum was being auction by the FCC,... a few company's bought up some very valuable spectrum, but soon went bankrupt --- court battles ensued, but the acquirer still held title to their 'coveted spectrum' without having to give up the spectrum bought. nice for Clearwire,... wouldn't you say

i've seen, and said enough james - now drive on,...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:36 | 1907047 James-Morrison
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No difference, when they are both broke and can't pay their bills.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:41 | 1907078 crawldaddy
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there is PLENTY of money, the wrong people have it.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:45 | 1907377 MachoMan
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I think the present choices (by design) are: let them keep it or watch it disintegrate...

Now, we can build something in the rubble that might be better and more fair...  but as for there being plenty of NET money, *borat voice* not so much.

The other aspect you're ignoring is that there is no objective way to determine who the right and wrong people are to have it...  hence laws...  and, within the confines of the law, there are a shit ton of people that have reached incredible levels of success.  Of course, there are plenty of people who broke the laws (even with the ability to buy changes in the laws, tsk tsk) to get where they are...

The trick is differentiating between them and not painting a broad brush.  Unfortunately, the mob likely cares not.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:49 | 1907961 crawldaddy
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objective way to determine who is entitled to it?  wtf, thats easy.  Distribution of wealth should be fairly equitable across the working class,  not all in the hands of the few.


Are you really this ignorant? or do you just work for fox?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:55 | 1907984 MachoMan
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The key word is "should."  See, this is what academics use for naively idealistic theories.  I'll posit that when met with the real world, your distribution scheme eats itself as the incentive to initiate, create, and produce is destroyed.

Redistribution doesn't exist in a vacuum.

As the soviets said, "we pretend to work, they pretend to pay us."  This is the inevitable conclusion.  Collapse.


Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:10 | 1910116 StychoKiller
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Having Big Brother expropriate property, at the point of a gun, from Peter to give to Tom, Dick & Harry is NO DIFFERENT than outright theft!

You cannot give Govt. Officials any rights that you do not have yourself.

You have the right to protect your own life, liberty, and justly acquired
property from the forceful aggression of others.  So you may rightfully ask others to help protect you.  But you do NOT have a right to initiate force against the life, liberty, or property of others.  Thus, you have NO right to designate some person to initiate force against others on your behalf.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:30 | 1907866 Iam_Silverman
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"there is PLENTY of money, the wrong people have it."

So, what do we do about that?  Tax it out of their hands, or just steal it?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:52 | 1907974 crawldaddy
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yeah, you tax away the greed.  Pretty simply stuff actually. Thats what progressive taxes do.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:56 | 1907993 MachoMan
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We already have progressive taxes...  what's your plan B?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:12 | 1910118 StychoKiller
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Have IRS agents and other assorted Govt. Goons/Thugs bash down doors and simply take property, oh wait...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:51 | 1907084 Stax Edwards
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In this respect I think the following is the difference:

Socialism - Buying the votes of the unproductive masses by giving them 'free shit' from .gov ala redistributing the wealth of the productive to the unproductive

Crony Captialism - Letting others pay for your campaigns by giving them 'free shit' from .gov

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:20 | 1906971 Doubleguns
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Looks like they have run out of other peoples money. The problem with socialism or chrony capitalism.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:41 | 1907072 crawldaddy
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socialism, such as allowing for a worker to have heathcare just circulates money within an economy.  ANd in the end the person gets healthy, the doctors, nurses, hospital, equipment makers get paid, and the economy ticks along.  The problem comes with crony fake capitalism, when money is sucked out of an economy via some scum ball Goldman like company.


Liquidity extraction is the problem, not a government worker being paid a middleclass wage.


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:49 | 1907110 Stax Edwards
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socialism, such as allowing for a worker to have heathcare

Socialism, such as making a worker pay for a bums healthcare

There, fixed it for ya

Go crawl back under your rock loser

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:51 | 1907119 crawldaddy
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oh yeah, so worried about sharing and taking care of others,  What do you think economies were and are set up to do?  its to take care of a society, not so some small dicked man can accumulate some worthess trinkets and feel better about himself.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:53 | 1907139 Stax Edwards
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Let me guess, its your human right to have free shit on somebody elses dime? 

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:19 | 1907230 crawldaddy
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nope, just educated to the facts.


consistently rated hiquest quality of life and best places to live on earth... northern european countries.  Imagine that..

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:43 | 1907372 Saro
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When you buy everything you could possibly want with money you don't have, I'm sure your quality of life looks very positive indeed.

When the bill comes due, you're in for a shock though.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:51 | 1907395 MachoMan
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As educated as you may be, apparently you missed the memo whereby governments were set up to benefit a relatively few in power and their puppet masters and associates.  The social safety net was not born out of the kindness of anyone's heart, it was born to keep the mob at bay and from destroying the property interests of the privileged classes.  This is what GOVERNMENT is...  no matter what clothes you want to dress it in, no matter how much lipstick you want to put on it...  in the end, "the mortician must have mistook [it] for a whore."

The simple solution is to put incredibly rigid checks on governmental power, size, and scope.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:50 | 1907967 crawldaddy
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umm no, that is what governments become, not what they are set up to do.  Read a few constitutions.  There were created for a reason.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:03 | 1908034 MachoMan
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So...  our constitution originally said something about healthcare for all?  A right to collect payments, in perpetuity, from the government for sitting on your ass?  Social security?

What about all the slaves and indentured servants in colonial times?  (WHAT ABOUT THE INDIANS???  Ananonymous).  Did they get equal representation in the constitution even though our fore-fathers recognized universal liberty?  Women???  People who own no land?

Constitutions are written by the victors, for the victors...  although some may be more egalitarian than most on the surface, this is what lies beneath.


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:41 | 1907598 lotsoffun
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mr. stax edwards - if you want to crawl out of the cave, then the point is to work with others such that the largest number of people reach some sort of fulfillment.  and if that means helping my neighbor when he and family are on bad luck, so be it.  and it ALSO (this is what american - hooray for me, fuck you, kill the indians are only aware) it ALSO means creating a social/cultural situation where the neighbor and his family are down on luck, and looking for society to help them until they can get back up - and creating the situation where people are advanced enough not to want to simply take advantage of the situation.  given that we have an enormous 400+ years of slaves that were cut loose to fend for themselves, well, that puts us at a disadvantage to creating a positive society.

so whitey exterminated the indians, and loved cutting the slaves free, because in the end it was cheaper, and profitted off all this, and then can run around slapping each other on the back saying 'look how smart and industrious we are'   and even within that - wait to you see what bernake and company have in store for you.

but i forgot.  you're smarter than everybody else - so you deserve it also, don't you.  yup.  entitled. 



Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:33 | 1907567 lotsoffun
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crawldaddy - i'm right there with you.  i've lived in europe.  there's nothing wrong with their socialism.  however, their bankers went right behind with the american gamblers.  and levered and lost it all.

the modern europe socialism was ideally to keep the money rotating around and to prevent the bankers from taking it out of circulation (i.e. - into their own bonuses).  didn't work.  the bankers figured it out.




Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:46 | 1907098 Hot Apple Pie
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Didn't you know that Karl Marx wrote all about excessive leverage and what a great thing it was to remove all sanity from commercial finance?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:09 | 1907198 Calmyourself
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No I watch Gores current TV, last night there was a primer on revolution, I watched with great interest.  That aside where the heck did the euro's put all their money?? Defense? No. Energy production? no.  Unsustainable social policies? oui..

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:20 | 1907238 crawldaddy
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they are more than sustainable as long as you keep the squid away, which they didnt.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:57 | 1907415 MachoMan
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Smells like the fallacy of the free lunch.  You realize that EVERY single instance of what you're ultimately proposing has failed when met with the real world, right?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:58 | 1907999 crawldaddy
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northern european countries have the best quality of life in the world.  How is that failure?


Yeah Finland, Sweden, Germany,  what failures.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1908050 MachoMan
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until the bill comes due...  you'll see soon enough.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:58 | 1907417 DeadFinks
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Squid or no squid, TPTB can't see all that money pass through their hands without extracting their "administrative fees".

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:52 | 1907394 terryfuckwit
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yes i cannot work out who i hate the most the fascist socialist bastards that blame the socialist or the socialist fascist bastards that blame the fascists....

or perhaps these labels are meaningless and just give happy vibes to ancient tribes.


i have a label for the scum that fits all tribes "theiving lying scum bastards.".. go buy metal and fuck them off... easy

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:15 | 1906952 Silver Dreamer
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Bye bye socialism? Hello fascism!  That's what it's been all along.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:23 | 1906985 Dr. Richard Head
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"Republics decline into democracies, and democracies degenerate into despotisms" - Aristotle

Thanks to Judge Nap for the tweet.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:26 | 1906998 topcallingtroll
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There is a small chance for individual liberty and a renewal of enlightenment principles.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:29 | 1907291 Tramp Stamper
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Debt reset button

World War III

Please vote, it is your patriotic duty

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:59 | 1907423 DeadFinks
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It starts at home.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:07 | 1906917 Captain Kink
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Chilling.  he's so matter of fact.  the facts are plain:  there really is no way out.

I wonder if he talks to his brother?  What's that holiday dinner conversation going to be like? 

Hey, Nic, nice weather we're having, no?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:08 | 1906923 baby_BLYTHE
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It's hard keeping sinking ships afloat. Untold trillions in derivatives and all they have are buckets to drain the water. Trillion dollar bills, bitchez!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:58 | 1907164 slewie the pi-rat
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fuking benzelbub has sent out junkster trolls, baby_B!

i think we shall hafta give ourselves more green arrows than usual, this weekend


may your gravy boat stay afloat!

see you @ the game!


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:08 | 1906924 crawldaddy
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Gee, you mean a system built on greed isnt going to end well.  gee who would of thonk it.


I guess there was areason usury was punishable by death for so many centuries.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:03 | 1907459 TrulyBelieving
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From reading your previous posts, looks like you prefer a system based on servitude. Socialism, the share the wealth scheme, or legalized theft, is a totally corrupt system that endentures one who earned to one that didn't. Greedy= Desiring more in a fair exchange than what is deserved. So you believe in theft because you are greedy? Morality?  I take it not one of your strong suites.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:08 | 1906926 Spastica Rex
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"The Achilles heal gets exposed when the con fails."

We need a better con.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:59 | 1906967 MachoMan
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And we'll get one...  it will be new and improved...  in this case, meaning more subtle and more pervasive.  The days of overt mechanisms of control are over...  they're still needed to some extent, but I think we can sound the bell for their peak without much hesitancy.

Rest assured though, it will be vaguely familiar when we finally figure it out the next go round.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:10 | 1906933 apberusdisvet
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Ah! The smoke and mirrors; the theatre of the absurd so thoroughly planned by the elites; where does everyone think all the gold is?  Certainly not in the vaults at Fort Knox; nor at the NYFED; and certainly not in some COMEX. LBMA, or GLD vault.  It has been long gone for decades into the vaults of the Rothschild, Rockefeller, Warburg, Morgan et al progeny.

So the ECB will print; Bernanke will print, the PBOC, BOE, and BOJ will all print because, after all, gold's best friend is inflation.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:10 | 1906934 Eally Ucked
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Sarkozy's everywhere, do they communicate with Soros, their country man? Of course to find the solution to our Western World shit hole, only. 

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:38 | 1907058 Mountainview
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At least, now we know why the real one is so nervous...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:10 | 1906935 youngman
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He sure shut the guest host that was on up.....I think he was a Black Rock guy....I too was shut up.....he is right...its 2.1 trillion or crash....right now there is 1.4 trillion in euros in circulation....this is a big number....but again if I was Germany..I would want the gold of the countries I am bailing out first before I print....

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:15 | 1906950 Eally Ucked
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They won't see any gold, they know gold is real and paper or bits are just for fun.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:14 | 1906943 TuesdayBen
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I believe $2.1T works out to around $5,000 per European man woman and child...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:14 | 1906947 the not so migh...
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new military conflict happening very soon.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:14 | 1906948 Peter K
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The Euroland banks worse than the US banks? Ouch. Just crashed someones meme;)

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:20 | 1906972 Silver Dreamer
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Well, with multi-national banks, what's the difference anyway?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:16 | 1906956 eddiebe
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After all else fails: Gold revaluation!   To the moon.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:18 | 1906957 vast-dom
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Did we really need an official confirmation of this? And the number is a fuckload worse than $30T! AND there is no way to print out of that! 


Let's go through a basic logic construct: if you owe $100k and can't pay it back and then borrow another $50k that helps you pay down said $100k, but you still need to eat and live and the interest is acruing cutting into your said $50k and gas prices are rising and your $'s are devalued thx to Teh FeD et. al, then what do you think happens?: 

A. you take out another loan

B. you declare bankruptcy

C. you go postal  blow shit up with your fellow assed-out citizens a la OWS x100

D. (_____________)

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:21 | 1906980 Silver Dreamer
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D. World War

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:22 | 1906983 LongBallsShortBrains
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D. Go shopping

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:28 | 1907003 Variance Doc
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D. Denial

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:31 | 1907017 GeneMarchbanks
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D. Declare that you're "doing Gods work"

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 13:08 | 1907202 oddjob
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D) Dust off dormant ZH profiles and start posting deflation wishes.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:17 | 1906958 slewie the pi-rat
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you auto sell now, BiCheZ!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:18 | 1906964 lizzy36
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Oliver Sarkozy was fantastic this morning. Well worth watching all 3 videos.

Just the numbers without a lot of drama or spin.

Made Byron Wien look like the moron he is as Byron was muttering on about levering up the EFSF, which someone forgot to tell him died 2 weeks ago (in market time about 1000 years and 10% ago).

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:23 | 1906984 jcaz
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Byron passed away about 10 yrs ago,  his body has been running around repeating the same stuff he was before he died,  thus any new info is lost on Wien....

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:50 | 1907118 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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He runs the Carlyle Group.  He is inner Illuminatti sanctum.  He is NWO dirt.  He just said what we all know!  Get off his dick.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:18 | 1906965 spartan117
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Carlyle group head?

I'm really going to trust these guys to tell me the truth.  First JPM tells us Europe is going to blow up, then this guy?

Seems to me they want Europe to get flushed for some reason. 

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:19 | 1906966 SHEEPFUKKER

To call this a clusterfuck would be doing a dis-service to the word clusterfuck. 

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:20 | 1906970 DormRoom
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Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:20 | 1906973 illyia
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backwater blogs

Denninger does not have a "backwater blog"! Come to think of it, neither do you! And, denial ain't...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:04 | 1907431 fuu
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Denninger doesn't like gold. Most of the ZH trolls are gold haters. hmmmmmm.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:22 | 1906975 Everybodys All ...
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Well on there way to a quadrillion or bazillion or whatever.

I vote for write downs and guillotines.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:21 | 1906976 Eally Ucked
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212 billion? that was the cost of stabilizing US banks, shit , I knew some stupid numbers in trillions. Now Us banks take over euro banks without problem with their clean balance sheet and plenty of deposits at FED. Now they gonna use not bazooka but some of heavier weapons to put everything in order (with help of Benny).

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:21 | 1906978 SheepDog-One
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$30 trillion thats ALL? Should only take a few seconds to just add that many more zeros...that was EASY!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:22 | 1906981 you enjoy myself
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germany might ease their resistence to printing after today's disaster of an auction.  they're at what, 90% debt to gdp?  its not like they can take their ball and go home without causing massive pain to themselves too.

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