Saudi Arabia's Prince Nayef, Next In Line To Throne, Dies; Saudi Shares Plunge

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Coming into the weekend, most were focusing on key events coming out of Greece and France, possibly Egypt, but nobody expected that Saudi Arabia would be thrown into the fray. That just happened, however, following news that Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Nayef bin Abdulaziz al-Saud has died in Geneva, according to Saudi state television, citing a royal court statement. The news has sent Saudi shares sliding, because now 89-year-old King Abdullah must nominate a new heir for the second time in nine months. And the last thing the middle-east region needs, not to mention the world's biggest oil producer, needs is more geopolitical uncertainty.

From Reuters:

Nayef, interior minister since 1975 and thought to be 78, was the heir to Saudi King Abdullah and was appointed crown prince in October after the death of his elder brother and predecessor in the role, Crown Prince Sultan.


State television said the burial would be in Mecca on Sunday.


Defence Minister Prince Salman, 76, seen as likely to continue King Abdullah's cautious reforms, has long been viewed as the next most senior prince in the kingdom's succession.


Nayef had a reputation as a steely conservative who opposed King Abdullah's reforms and developed a formidable security infrastructure that crushed al Qaeda but also locked up some political activists.


He, King Abdullah and Salman are among the nearly 40 sons of Saudi Arabia's founder, Abdulaziz ibn Saud, who established the kingdom in 1935.


Salman was made defence minister in November and had served as Riyadh governor for five decades.


Nayef went to Switzerland for medical tests in May.

What are the strategic implications of the death? Back in March, Stratfor did an analysis looking at just that in "Saudi Arabia's Succession Labyrinth"

The Saudi royalty's health problems come at a time of great uncertainty for Riyadh. On the home front, the Saudis are trying to ensure that the regional Arab unrest does not spill into its borders. At the same time, they are trying to counter an increasingly aggressive Iran. That said, the al-Saud regime has proved to be remarkably resilient over the course of its history, remaining in power despite the forced abdication of the founder’s successor, King Saud, in 1964; the assassination of King Faisal in 1975; and the stroke-induced incapacitation of King Fahd for nearly a decade until his death in 2005, when King Abdullah took the throne.


Setting Up a Succession Plan


Sensing that the power-sharing method within the family had become untenable due to the sheer number of descendants seeking power and influence within the regime, King Abdullah in 2007 moved to enact the Allegiance Institution Law, which created a leadership council and a formal mechanism to guide future transitions of power.


This new, 35-member body, called the Allegiance Council, is made up of the 15 surviving sons of the founder and 19 of his grandsons -- a disparity that will grow as the sons begin to die. Its purpose is to choose the new king and crown prince when they die or are permanently incapacitated, but the new institution remains an untested body. Perhaps most problematic, the processes the council is set to govern are being implemented at a time when the second generation is on its way out. Had this formal process of succession been initiated earlier, it would have been institutionalized during the era of the sons of the founder. They were far fewer in number and worked directly with their father to build the kingdom, giving them a stronger claim to authority than anyone in the subsequent generation. An earlier start would have allowed the second generation to deal with the many problems that inevitably crop up with any new system.


The composition of the Allegiance Council is such that it gives representation to all the sons of the founder. This is done through either their direct membership on the council or via the grandsons whose fathers are deceased, incapacitated, or otherwise unwilling to assume the throne. The reigning king and his crown prince are not members but each has a son on the council. The council is chaired by the eldest son of the founder, with his second-oldest brother as his deputy. Should there be no one left from the second generation, the leadership of the council falls to the eldest grandson. Any time there is a vacancy, the king is responsible for appointing a replacement, though it is not known if King Abdullah has filled the vacancy created by the death of Prince Fawaz bin Abdul-Aziz, who died in July 2008, some six months after the establishment of the council.


When King Abdullah dies, the council will pledge allegiance to the crown prince, currently Prince Nayef, though given his declining health it is questionable whether he will outlive the king. But the issue of the next crown prince is mired in a potential contradiction. According to the new law, after consultation with the Allegiance Council, the king can submit up to three candidates to the council for approval. The council can reject all of them and name a fourth candidate. But if the king rejects the council’s nominee then the council will vote between its own candidate and the one preferred by the king, and the candidate who gets the most votes becomes the crown prince. There is also the option that the king may ask the council to nominate a candidate. In any case, a new crown prince must be appointed within a month of the new king’s accession.


This new procedure, however, conflicts with the established practice in which the second deputy prime minister takes over as crown prince, a policy that has been followed since King Faisal appointed Fahd to the post. In fact, the current king, after not naming a second deputy prime minister (essentially a crown prince-in-waiting) for four years, appointed Interior Minister Prince Naif to the post in March 2009. But since Naif became crown prince (and thus deputy prime minister), the post of second deputy prime minister remains vacant. Salman, next in the line of succession, should have been given this post, but this has not yet happened. Regardless, however, the post of second deputy prime minister after the establishment of the Allegiance Council raises the question of whether established tradition will be replaced by the new formal procedure.


The law also addresses the potential scenario in which both the king and crown prince fall ill such that they cannot fulfill their duties, which could transpire in the current situation given the health issues of both King Abdullah and Crown Prince Naif. In such a situation, the Allegiance Council would set up a five-member Transitory Ruling Council that would take over the affairs of the state until at least one of the leaders regained his health. If, however, it is determined by a special medical board that both leaders are permanently incapacitated, the Allegiance Council must appoint a new king within seven days.


In the event that both the king and crown prince die simultaneously, the Allegiance Council would appoint a new king. The Transitory Ruling Council would govern until the new king was appointed. While it has been made clear that the Transitory Ruling Council will not be allowed to amend a number of state laws, its precise powers and composition have not been defined.


What Lies Ahead


The kingdom has little precedent in terms of constitutionalism. It was only in 1992 that the first constitution was developed, and even then the country has been largely governed via consensus obtained through informal means involving tribal and familial ties. Therefore, when this new formal mechanism for succession is put into practice, the House of Saud is bound to run into problems not only in implementation, but also competing interpretations.


To make matters worse, the Saudis are in the midst of this succession dilemma -- and will be for many years to come given the advanced ages of many senior princes -- at a time of massive change within the kingdom and a shifting regional landscape.


Saudi Arabia is perhaps at the most important historical impasse since the founding of its first incarnation in 1744. A number of internal and external events are occurring simultaneously and subjecting the Saudi state to extreme strain. On the external front there are a number of challenges, the most significant of which is the regional rise of Iran, catalyzed by the Shia-dominated government in Baghdad and the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq. The Saudis also do not wish to see a U.S.-Iranian conflict in the Persian Gulf, which would have destabilizing effects on the kingdom. While Riyadh was struggling with the challenge from Iran, the Arab unrest erupted in early 2011, which has created two major hot spots on the eastern and southern borders of the kingdom.


On the southern flank, Yemen was grappling with three different insurrections challenging the regime of aging Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh even before the Arab unrest. A year later, Yemen is now in a post-Saleh period with a new president and various others jockeying for power. The Saudis are concerned about the Yemeni state and whether it will be able to hold together given that various forces are pulling Sanaa in different directions and jihadists are taking over significant swaths of territory.


On Saudi Arabia's east coast, Bahrain's Shia majority rose up against the minority Sunni monarchy. Bahrain is a bridge away from Saudi Arabia’s Eastern Province, which houses the largest concentration of Shia and represents a huge potential for Iran to gain a foothold on the Arabian Peninsula. This is why we saw Riyadh team up with its Gulf Cooperation Council allies to engage in its first-ever foreign military deployment to assist Manama’s security forces. Through this action, Saudi Arabia was able to contain the agitation, at least for the time being.


The empowerment of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt -- following the ouster of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak -- and like-minded Islamist forces elsewhere in North Africa poses another major challenge for the Saudis. The meltdown of decades-old autocratic regimes together with the electoral successes of Islamists has implications for the stability of Saudi Arabia’s Islamic monarchical model of governance. Concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood being a beneficiary of the uprising in Syria has the Saudi kingdom proceeding cautiously in supporting the rebels there, even though the ouster of the Syrian regime represents the single best option to weaken the threat from Iran.


Furthermore, the Syrian unrest has implications for Lebanon, Jordan and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- all key areas of interest for the Saudis on their northern flank.


Turkey’s bid for leadership in the Middle East is a new variable the kingdom has not had to deal with since the close of World War I and the demise of the Ottoman Empire. In the near term, the Saudis take comfort in the idea that Turkey can serve as a counter to Iran, but the long-term challenge posed by Turkey’s rise is a worrying development, especially since the Saudi leaders’ predecessors lost control of the Arabian Peninsula twice to the Ottomans -- once in 1818 and then again in 1891.


Even in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the Saudis are caught between two unappealing options: side with the Taliban, as they did during the Taliban’s rule in the 1990s, and risk empowering al Qaeda-led jihadists, or oppose the Taliban and thus help Iran expand its influence in the area.


While the Saudis have time to deal with a number of these external challenges, they do not enjoy that same luxury in their domestic affairs. The Saudis have been largely successful in containing the threat from al Qaeda, but they have had to engage in radical reforms, spearheaded by King Abdullah, in order to do so. These include scaling back the powers of the religious establishment, expanding the public space for women, changing the educational sector and undertaking other social reforms.


These moves have led to a growing moderate-conservative divide at both the level of state and society and have galvanized those calling for further socio-political reforms as well as the significant Shia minority that seeks to exploit the opening provided by the reform process. These domestic issues have been magnified exponentially given the Arab unrest. In addition to the growing Shia protests in parts of the Eastern Province, there are reports of student unrest in the southwestern province of Asir.


There are also early signs of mainstream Saudis trying to mobilize in other parts of the kingdom -- at least over the Internet. It is difficult for the Saudi authorities to prevent a large university-educated youth population -- a large segment of which is unemployed -- from being affected by the new protest norm in the region.


Complicating this situation are fears of the religious establishment that the new regional climate is weakening its influence, especially if the government moves to engage in additional reforms. While thus far the Saudis have been able to control prominent Muslim scholars, known as the ulema class, especially with the limits on who can issue fatwas, the potential for backlash from the ulema remains. At the very least, the ulema will support more conservative factions in any power struggle.


All of these issues further complicate the Saudis’ venture into uncharted territory insofar as leadership changes are concerned. There are several princes who have already distinguished themselves as likely key players in a future Saudi regime. These include intelligence chief Prince Muqrin, the youngest living son of the founder and a member of the Allegiance Council; Prince Khalid bin Faisal, the governor of Mecca province; Prince Mitab bin Abdullah, the new commander of SANG; and Assistant Interior Minister Prince Mohammed bin Naif, the kingdom’s counterterrorism chief and head of the de-radicalization program designed to reintegrate repentant jihadists.


Stratfor is thus watching this issue very closely for any movement on the part of the untested Allegiance Council, which is expected to choose a crown prince and king as per the new succession law in the event of the death of the incumbents. Salman could take over as Crown Prince, but he is seen as the last of the major princes, which means it will be important to see who among the grandsons of the founder of the modern kingdom will emerge as key stakeholders in the Saudi system. But in the end, the real issue is whether the historically resilient Saudi monarchy will be able to continue to demonstrate resilience moving forward.

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Offthebeach's picture

The Swiss Union Of Professional Sex Workers announced three days of morning.

Gully Foyle's picture


I've had a few emails recently from people in Saudi Arabia who seem genuinely puzzled about why I criticise their country. A country, let's remind ourselves, that's actively funding the spread of Islamic extremism throughout the West like a poison dye, that's exporting millions of text books around the world teaching children supremacism, separatism and hatred of non-Muslims, and a country that donates tens of millions of dollars a year to schools in Pakistan that train children to be suicide bombers. A country where women enjoy a status somewhere between human beings and livestock, and where people are executed for things that are not even crimes in the civilised world, and a country whose ruling class indulge themselves freely in alcohol, drugs, and every other vice you can think of while condemning their people to a social and psychological prison for their own moral good. And they really have to ask? One guy said "I'm from Saudi Arabia and I'm proud of my country." Well, good for you, but forgive me for asking why.

If you live in Saudi Arabia what on earth have you got to be proud of? If you couldn't dig money straight out of the ground you'd all be starving. The only thing your country has to offer the world is oil. Well, it's not the only thing, but we don't need any sand and we're all up to here with jihad, thanks very much. Your country, like the whole Arab world, is entirely and pathetically dependent on western technology, much of it Israeli, without which it couldn't function. What the hell have you got to be proud of?

Maybe you're proud of the fact that your country leads the world in public executions for things like sorcery. We went through that in Europe hundreds of years ago and we're still embarrassed about it. How do you expect us to feel watching you repeat the sane insanity? And there's no other word for it. It's not culturally different, it's not conservative, it's insane. And it's insane because your country is run by insane people, a small group of hardcore ultra conservative religious clerics, each the proud holder of a PhD in pious ignorance, who call themselves the Supreme Council of Islamic Scholars. That sounds like a real brainfest, doesn't it?

Actually no, you're right, it sounds like a bunch of rancid old closet homosexuals digging around in scripture to find ways of justifying their infantile fear of women. Men who have reduced their spiritual focus to such a dry ordeal of repression and vindictive cruelty they've sucked all the life out of it and out of themselves. And they're always looking for new ways to embarrass their country in the eyes of history, to cement its reputation as a backwater of superstition and ignorance, and to ensure that their ugly and poisonous Wahhabi doctrine will be derided and ridiculed by the whole world now and for many centuries to come.

Recently they instructed the religious police (yes, religious police) to prevent anyone who even looks as if they might be gay from entering a school or a university. They really seem to have a major problem with gay people, these guys. It's almost as big as the problem they have with women, and that's the psychological equivalent of a 200 pound tumour that has to be pushed around in a wheelbarrow. Indeed, they're so obsessed with homosexuality you can't help but be suspicious. When they condemn it as forcefully as any closet gay Christian televangelist who consorts with rent boys, what are we supposed to think? And no absurdity is too great, either, for the paranoid imagination of the Saudi religious "scholar", like the recent pronouncement that allowing women to drive cars will turn everybody in the country gay because there won't be any virgins left. Well, apart from the faulty logic, I think they're way behind the curve on that one.

It's well known that homosexuality is absolutely rampant in Saudi Arabia, despite being a capital offence, and it's almost impossible to find a Saudi man (and that would include the clerics) who has not had a gay experience because women are just so hermetically inaccessible. And who can be surprised? If you insist on keeping men and women apart in such an unnatural way you have to be prepared for the natural consequence - a rise in homosexual activity. Living in a crazy kingdom doesn't make anybody less human, and certain biological urges will be satisfied one way or another. Of course there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. The ancient Greeks were gay and there was nothing wrong with them. They routinely had sex with other men just as they do today in Saudi Arabia, and there's nothing wrong with it there either, which is just as well because it's no secret, boys, so you can step out of that closet any time you like.

All over the world Saudi Arabia has long had a reputation as a gay country, a country with one king and millions of queens, and the only people who don't seem to know this are the Saudis. Well, now you do. Indeed, there's a very good chance that, by percentage of population, Saudi Arabia is actually the gay capital of the world. Now there's something you can be proud of.

Of course, you Saudis wouldn't be in this ludicrous and embarrassing situation in the first place if you had the basic decency to treat women as human beings and not as possessions. And when you say to me "We treat our women well. "Our women are looked after and protected, not like yours. "Don't tell us how to treat our women. Look after your own."

That's the whole point, geniuses. They're not your women. You have no ownership. You have no jurisdiction. All you have is brute force. And if that's all you can use (and it is) you have no business calling yourselves men.

I wish there was a nicer way to say that, but there isn't. And let me tell you I'm not saying any of this to be insulting, because, believe it or not, I don't need any more enemies. It's just that sometimes the truth can sound like an insult when you're not used to hearing it, but the good news is thanks to the internet and western technology you soon will be.


TNTARG's picture

Offthebeach, I don't agree with some of your considerations but most of your comment is right. I wonder (sarchasticly) why in the hell isn't NATO bombing them to push a "regime change" as our dear Hillary states about Syria and NATO did recently in Lybia.

Don't Saudi Arabians also deserve a teste of our advanced civilization?

reload's picture

If they started openly trading oil in volume without using the $USD it would happen in a heartbeat.

john39's picture

they are part of the ZATO system.  the saud family are cryptos.  the U.S. is arming SA to the teeth with advanced weapons, and Israel is just fine with it.  think about it.

AldousHuxley's picture

Here's your answer to middle east politics.


US Foreign policy = imperialism / neo-colonialism


Control foreign resources  (US 30% import is oil) through puppet leaders, money, and CIA cover ops (aka .assasinations). When SHTF, use military force.


Saud family = puppet regime

Israel = divide and conquer middle east through religious conflict. US/UK oil companies benefit.

US give Saud family military technology, Saud family gives US oil (by trading it under petro dollar system and keep american banks in business as fiat currency is backed by real asset....oil)


Is it any wonder, 9/11 was done by Saudis? Bin Laden is a Saudi who hates his royal family selling out his own people. However, this is not new....resource rich countries (ie. Africa) always fell under control of another country with superior military (UK, France, Dutch, USSR, soon China, etc.)


So is it any wonder, Iran invests heavily into her own military backed by Russia and China?


EU, US/UK, Russia, China are competing for super power.......for control of currency, energy, food, and people's minds.....Africa, eastern europe, southern Asia, Middle east are pawns these guys use and fight wars on. You never see actual wars fought on the soil of these supreme powers.....always using foreigners on foreign soil to fight war where the other guy is doing the same thing.


Economic pie may grow, political power pie never grows. There is only one supreme ruler of the world. Just be glad that US is not the one being used.




LULZBank's picture



You were spot on with your analysis and nobody gave you any uptick?! Hmmm ...

Boxed Merlot's picture

"Is it any wonder, 9/11 was done by Saudis? Bin Laden is a Saudi who hates his royal family selling out his own people"...


I'd wager it's because of this comment.  It's difficult for the people in the US to wrap their head around this.  We have no problem celebrating our own throwing off the Hudson Bay / King of England injustices because it's several hundred years ago. Contemporary activity is experienced vicariously, (and safely), through electronic mediums and is leaving us with an inability to recognize, yet alone appreciate and celebrate truth.


There is a difference between martyrdom and survival.  Theologians have discussed the various implications of each for centuries and currently the mantle seems to be heralded in the US by Ligonier Ministries, RC Sproul for the christian camp.  I appreciate his ability to speak clearly and regarding this particular subject he maintains the truth is to be told to those to whom it's due. 

Michael's picture

Who wins after this?

Complete and Total Worldwide Economic Collapse 2012

AldousHuxley's picture

Who wins? terrorists. they accomplished beyond their dreams.

msjimmied's picture

Thank you, that was spot on.

DaveyJones's picture

logic your lost in the middle

911 a reaction to our oil imperialism?

or just another chapter?

yes, plenty of folks hate us and our puppets

but they could never have pulled that day off alone

they were just another set of puppets

AldousHuxley's picture

difference between freedom versus slavery is that you choose to be used.


simply, you choosing to be "used" by  a supermodel in a one nighter versus some Saudi arab old fatfuck "using" you are very different things.

11b40's picture

First law of the jungle - eat...or be eaten.

Every appeasement is an invitation to be viewed as dinner.

That which can be taken, will be taken. Those who can be subjugated, will be subjugated.

Bringin It's picture

Re. Is it any wonder, 9/11 was done by Saudis?

AH you believe this?  Otherwise nice rant.

Have you gone --> disinfo??

constantine's picture

I grew up in Bethesda, MD and knew a number of the Saudi royal family.  They owned palace like estates in Potomac, MD.  One of them was in my high school year... I don't think he was crypto-anything.  He was definitely a pot-smoking, heavy drinking, douche-bag though.

The Saudi royal family is tollerated by Israel and the USA because they are willing to play the fraudulent petro-dollar game.  I'm pretty sure they're not relatives of the Rothschilds or something of that nature.

Marginal Call's picture

According to the post you're responding to, they are ass deep in testes already.  Can they handle the advanced western testes?  Inqiring minds... 

flattrader's picture

>>>All over the world Saudi Arabia has long had a reputation as a gay country, a country with one king and millions of queens, and the only people who don't seem to know this are the Saudis...<<<

I just spit coffee on my laptop.  Thank gawd I drink it black or I'd be taking in in for servicing.

Excllent rant.  Keep up the good work.

>>>That's the whole point, geniuses. They're not your women. You have no ownership. You have no jurisdiction. All you have is brute force. And if that's all you can use (and it is) you have no business calling yourselves men<<<

I am surprised there aren't more murder (husband) suicides (wife) ...unfortunate home based accidents...poisoning works too gals.

Think creatively...

Ladder accidents...

Electric appliance in the bathtub (I doubt GFIs are common in SA)...

or you and a few of your household sisters grab him by the ankles and pull up hard while he's soaking in the tub...drownings happen all the time...

Oleander's picture

"Sometimes husbands have accidents on the way home" (Steven King)

This a quote from one of his books and in should in no way be taken as a reference to his accident

Global Hunter's picture

knew a young man who grew up in Saudi Arabia his mother was a gynecologist and she made a lot of money and was in high demand because Saudi women...couldn't become gynecologists and Saudi men...couldn't become gynecologists...haha.  Yea he didn't like leaving the foreigners compounds because he was always hit on by Saudi men as an adolescent and teenager.  Said man on man rape was a serious issue.

Gully Foyle's picture

Global Hunter

"Said man on man rape was a serious issue."

A few weeks ago NEWN claimed that was similar to hazing by the real men of the warrior class.

Seems like his real men would feel comfortable in Saudia Arabia.

AUD's picture

it sounds like a bunch of rancid old closet homosexuals digging around in scripture to find ways of justifying their infantile fear of women.

Ha Ha Ha! but actually that sounds about right. I've been reading on PressTV out of Iran (so I don't necessarily believe it) that there have been ongoing protests in Saudi Arabia. Maybe now the ordinary people will use this as a pretext for giving the old faggots in charge the boot.

john39's picture

the saud family only hangs onto power through brutal repression.  their day will come.

earleflorida's picture

The first gasoline powered car was produced in 1893 approximately 120 years ago. Granted, oil [hydro carbons] is still vital as a by-product for all industry today and well into the future. But, innovation, technology, and the free market entrepreneurial spirit today has made real tangible modern advances in alternate energies ie. LNG/CNG, Battery & Solar EV's , etc., etc., that just can't be glossed over as unrealistic or too costly to implement! It's truly time to build a viable infrastructure to enhance our independence, which in turn would create millions of jobs? The days of gasoline powered vehicles is numbered. Indeed, 120 years into the future and we're still being held ransom by a pre-historic commodity that has literally cost us our freedom from growing our GDP. The importation of Petroleum to keep our country humming could be cut ~75%-85%, and that's not a pie-n-the-sky number. 

We've got to press Romney as a candidate to promise us all, that alternate energies - Natural Gas [my main thesis for fuel with alternates backing up] be exploited and enacted ASAP!

Ps.   Nuclear Power is a no-brainer using Thorium Technology, and to hell with those ME Camel Jockey's!


Bollixed's picture

"We've got to press Romney as a candidate to promise us all, that alternate energies - Natural Gas [my main thesis for fuel with alternates backing up] be exploited and enacted ASAP!"

Just send him an email telling him you'll vote for him in exchange. He'll be happy to add another promise to his campaign if he thnks he'll get a vote out of it.

While you're at it you may want to CC the current Lier In Chief, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny, as well. They all have the same track record regarding reality.

cbaba's picture

Yo are Not even close to give the complete picture,

You have to add the executions happening every Friday after prayer time.. When a man has committed an adultery, he is beheaded with sword, if the head doesn't drop, there are doctors waiting to cut the remaining tissue with a surgeons knife, when a thief had stolen something his one hand is cut and all of this is happening in front of the public, while everybody is watching... why do i know this ? because i have been in this country, but didn't go and watch this inhumane execution, and i know since some of my friends went to see it...

You can see a man making his feces inside a roundabout, just in front of the traffic then cleaning his bottom with a bottle of water...this one, i saw it with my own eyes...yes sorry but this is the worst place on earth to live in...and its all about oil.. we save the king, give protection to him and his family to share the oil and they do whatever they want and its called a country...


Gully Foyle's picture


People all over the world have witnessed brutal public acts as entertainment.

In the US many would picnic at hangings.

You can research various crowd attitudes in Europe regarding punishment.

We are fascinated by blood and the swiftness life departs.

This quote from True Romance sums it up for me

Virgil: Now the first time you kill somebody, that's the hardest. I don't give a shit if you're fuckin' Wyatt Earp or Jack the Ripper. Remember that guy in Texas? The guy up in that fuckin' tower that killed all them people? I'll bet you green money that first little black dot he took a bead on, that was the bitch of the bunch. First one is tough, no fuckin' foolin'. The second one... the second one ain't no fuckin' Mardis Gras either, but it's better than the first one 'cause you still feel the same thing, y'know... except it's more diluted, y'know it's... it's better. I threw up on the first one, you believe that? Then the third one... the third one is easy, you level right off. It's no problem. Now... shit... now I do it just to watch their fuckin' expression change.

Bringin It's picture

Gully - beware the hollywood <distopian> memes and the spreading there of.  These things are not put into your awareness for your own personal benefit.

resurger's picture


back in the 1920's the Bicycles were called "Satan's Carriages"


No poverty in Saudi Arabia, check this:

Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal, told the New York Times that male members of the Royal Family earn about $180,000, and the Royal Family makes 30-40% of the oil revenues.

of course, not to mention the polygamous marriages of the kings, they get all the women, and leave the men fucking each other.



williambanzai7's picture

I never lived there so I can't opine. However, putting aside the stuff about Saudi Wahabbism which is well known, I do know someone pretty level headed who had to live there for several years, and what he told me is basically consistent with this. One unbelievable story after another.

AldousHuxley's picture

Historically gay /castrated males were used as body guards for queens.


They won't produce bastard kids with the queen and harems, but they can be trained to be physically stronger than females. You also don't have to put your trusty aristocratic cousin in a lowly servant position of a guard. Because their condition usually lowered their social status, they could also be easily replaced or killed without repercussion.

aka Eunuchs.


I'm sure Saudis are well aware of advantages of using gays ad eunuchs especially under present circumstances.




mick_richfield's picture

Homosexuality is not rampant despite being a capital offense, it's a capital offense because it's rampant.

So that's one way that society is schizophrenic.

This is similar to a person who is very vocally anti-homosexual -- not because he detests the idea, but because he has leanings in that direction, but does not want to be perceived that way.

It's also not at all inconsistent with that culture's relegation of women to third-class status.  The society is saying pretty clearly: "I like men better than women.

The male homosexuals  ( I will not use the word 'gay' because it is a propaganda-word, not a descriptive word ) are just agreeing with their culture.  They like men better than women.

lolmao500's picture

This is similar to a person who is very vocally anti-homosexual -- not because he detests the idea, but because he has leanings in that direction, but does not want to be perceived that way.

That's why I'm pretty sure most big wig republicans in congress are homosexual.

tarsubil's picture

Nah. I think the fact that they look like creepy old faggots is the big tell.

mick_richfield's picture

I wish that some of you four guys (?) who downticked me would take the time to write something.  I would be interested to read it.


I'm not a fighter, I'm a truther.

If you can convince me, I am ready to change my mind.

Unbezahlbar's picture

It is an odd culture. For example, Ali Babba and the 40 Thieves had no women in their band of 'merry men'.


This contrasts with most other cultures, even the old Asian (for example, Chinese) warriors many of whom were women. It was not unusual to have women mixed with men in a band of brigands in ancient China.


Different strokes (so to speak) for different folks. Perhaps expalins events like this:


China puts its first woman astronaut into orbit


One country still in the stone age and the other a modern thriving civilization going thru industrialization.

Arnold Ziffel's picture

Who is going to pay his hotel bill now?



q99x2's picture

Bunch of towel headed pull tops.

ElvisDog's picture

Gully Foyle, that was a world-class ZH rant because it also included a lot of contextual information. Bravo.

Randall Cabot's picture

"It's well known that homosexuality is absolutely rampant in Saudi Arabi..."

I didn't know that.

ToNYC's picture

Meanwhile the royal Wahabbis chop the heads off lovers who had the misfortune of being sold into arranged marriages with family business crudites. In these lies, the US energizes. How much a gallon with the heads off?


RyanW525's picture

False Flag in 3.......2........1........

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In light of the 2009 story about Bandars attempted coup, one has to wonder regarding this death.

Saudi Prince Bandar [Bush] bin Sultan attempts COUP, and FAILS!

Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the kingdom's former ambassador to the United States, is reportedly under house arrest over a conspiracy against the monarch.

He said Saudi sources believe that intelligence provided by some Arab countries help the Saudi monarch foil Prince Bandar's conspiracy.

Power struggle between members of the Saudi royal family has been common as power is shared among some 200 princes out of the estimated 7000 family members.

Known as Bandar Bush because of his close relations with former US President George W Bush, the prince is son of Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz.

200 princes out of 7000 family members, out for power struggle. Now put that next to the fact that Bandar is a confirmed MI6 asset, and a very close member of the BushCrimeFamilia circles. In fact, Bandar was the first one to invest in W's first of many failed ventures, Arbusto (shrub) Oil co. That's where he gets his nickname Bandar BUSH.
Bandar bin Sultan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Prince Bandar bin Sultan - News, Photos, Quotes, Biography -

But the latest intel suggests that Bandar's reportedly met with Vladmir Putin several times recently. [If anyone has more on their meetings, please post them.]
The Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia, Washington, DC, USA

q99x2's picture

Terrible Towel in 4......5......6......

fonzannoon's picture

Hope and change?