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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 10:03 | 1788607 RacerX
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Debt enslavement.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 10:09 | 1788644 TruthInSunshine
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Debt Serfdom is the growth industry.

European fiefdom days are on the way back.

Be the Lord of the Manor, bitchez, because the life of a serf is a hard grind.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 10:10 | 1788650 Leopold B. Scotch
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Excellent, Smithers. Most excellent. 

Now, release the hounds.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 10:27 | 1788736 hedgeless_horseman
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How long until Jubilee?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 10:31 | 1788751 Cash_is_Trash
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Why get an underwater mortgage for your house if your whole life is an underwater mortgage?

Have fun in Underwaterworld, bitchez

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 10:39 | 1788794 hedgeless_horseman
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I scrolled way left on that chart (several hundred years BC) and found this little note:

Exodus 22:25, “If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.”

What should we expect when we don't follow the directions?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 10:42 | 1788814 trav7777
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we?  I mean, to what group did this constitute a Holy text?  And you should be aware that there IS no direction to lend to people outside the clan at 0%.  In fact, it is interpreted as an affirmative commandment TO lend to them at interest, always.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 10:58 | 1788849 hedgeless_horseman
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Relax, Trav.  My loose interpretation of this scripture (and related scripture) is don't lend money at interest to sub-prime borrowers, rather give them charity, expecting nothing in return.

Maybe you didn't play a role in that chart's data set, but I sure did, each and every time I deposited money in a yield-chasing TBTF bank.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 10:59 | 1788904 Harlequin001
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So what's so scary about this? I'm not American...

I couldn't give a toss...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:11 | 1788961 Unprepared
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Are you a directly or indirectly USD holder?

In that case, I guess you should.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:12 | 1788965 Harlequin001
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Nope, just gold and silver...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:04 | 1789662 zerozam
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Why is every freaking country in debt? Not a single country run a surplus. Can someone tell me who the hell lends out all the money? It ain't Somalia, Mongolia or Greenland - i know that for sure.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:40 | 1789816 earleflorida
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today every country/ sovereign in the known flat world has a central bank -  controlled in tiny-town 'basel', also known as the bank of int'l settlements [bis = bs]

only three countries remain without - iran, n. korea, and somalia   

ps. there might be a fourth but ,...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:23 | 1790380 Al Gorerhythm
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If you were to write a cheque with no intent of settling the transaction with goods of due value or kind, it is the same as printing a dollar, mark, franc, etc, etc, where the country has no intent of settling. 

These of course can be issued by private banks to citizens. However, they are not lending you anything more than a piece of paper, as there is no capital backing the loan. 

If I was a bank and I were to lend you 10 tons of gold that you intended to use as collateral for the building of your new swimming pool, and you were concerned about security during transport, I could offer you a bank cheque as assurance of your solvency to your contractor creditors, in your ability to pay them on completion of your pool. If the bank gave you a cheque book and you wrote them cheques for the work done and they presented those cheques to the bank for payment in gold and the banks said, "Sorry! We don't got no gold because all that we offered was credit, We lied. Ooops!" , the settlement of the debt could never occur. You become part of the deciet.

That is the state of our monetary system. Just try to redeem your piece of paper at your sovereign bank. They will ask; "What's the problem with that one?" You will only be issued with another. 

Unbacked currency is a lie. We have all been decieved.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 14:13 | 1789708 Oh regional Indian
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Awesome exchange thus far. Green arrows all around. 

And that cartoon TIS, tells such a story. It tells the story that the story has been known, plot, character and gotcha plot twist, for a long time now. In fact, we can say easily that we have known the truth exactly as long as the lie has been around.

But it's hard for most to give up long cherished (read programmed) truths (read lies). Every time and I mean every time i see the name FED, I remember Louis McFadden. The truth has been out a long time. On record. Adn eloquently to boot. even Woody Will(less)son admitted he had made a huge mistake.

This has been a tightly controlled experiment. it is merely reaching it's logical conclusion. Those that believe large populations cannot be controlled live uni-dimensional lives.

And OWS should de-mob, like yesterday.

OWS Flash De-Mob


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:44 | 1790661 i-dog
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OWS Flash De-Mob

Good advice, ORI. Sadly, none will follow it ... they'll just keep banging their head against the brick wall, expecting a different outcome next time...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:25 | 1789009 Bicycle Repairman
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Isn't GDP per person a flow and Debt per person an amount?  Shouldn't we compare debt service per person with GDP per person?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:41 | 1789085 Pinto Currency
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BR - GDP is just a reference point that allows for comparison over time and against other economies.


The 100% debt vs. GDP number is misleading though because it only considers Federal debt.  Throw in state, municipal, corporate, consumer debt and you are at 375%.  That is the real concern; wait for bloomberg to post that number.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:02 | 1789432 bernorange
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Anyone around here hear much media attention to the fact that one of the presidential candidates (Ron Paul of course) started a serious and sobering discussion on addressing the spending/debt (wants to cut $1T out of the budget next year)?  Think this needs more attention?  Help Ron Paul make the point loud and clear.  Support the Black This Out fundraiser happening today - right now - by donating.  Whether a little or a lot doesn't matter - even $10 makes a statement.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:23 | 1789502 whstlblwr
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Seriously, I wish he came in different package, but if anyone who reads this cares about country Ron Paul is only one to vote for. Others don't have guts to do what we need to do. In debate last night, Romney clearly understands problem, but he won't take medicine. Do they realize outcome if not? Or do they expect something else, reset or default?

Last night debate brought to you by your corporate sponsors the OIL/GAS INDUSTRY and HEALTHCARE, major advertising all over entire debate and of course the beefy product placement. Wink,wink, Perry, Romney.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 01:19 | 1791635 boiltherich
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Ron Paul does care about the nation for the most part, but to be president you have to be able to take care of all of it not just the financial part of it.  His attitudes about non white straight male Americans is DEEPLY disturbing to the majority of people who happpen to be half female, 10% gay, 32% non white, and 80% secular. 

I care about the nation and I want to end the fed, I am a natural born citizen that meets all constitutional requirents to be president.  Does that mean you should promote my candidacy and elect me?  Of course not.  That would be bullshit. 

He also has only one thing going for him, end the Fed, and while that is an admirable policy it just is not enough to be president.  If he were elected and got rid of the Fed in the first week in office then what?  By the second week he would be outlawing abortion and sending gay people to the concentration camps.  No amount of argument is going to get me to vote for that man.  Not until he says that constitutional amendments are OFF the table.  We have troubles, and we will work them out, but not by changing the rules of the game. 

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 01:47 | 1791673 i-dog
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"Does that mean you should promote my candidacy and elect me?"

Why not? With your name on every bumper sticker -- "Boil The Rich!" -- you'd be sure to be elected in a landslide!! (You'd get 95% of ZH commenters, for a start)

PS. There's one constitutional amendment I'd like to see - repeal ALL amendments from the 14th onwards!! (OK, we could keep a couple regarding suffrage, but even they're really no longer necessary)

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 13:45 | 2019651 haibop
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This is definitely a great idea. beacon payday loans

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:36 | 1789489 JustObserving
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Unfunded liabilities are $116 trillion (778% of $14.9 trillion 2011 GDP) versus $14.8 trillion in debt.  Besides, the US GDP may be severely inflated by an overblown financial sector that accounts for half the profits. Dagong, the Chinese rating agency, says

"If we exclude the factor of virtual economy, the U.S. actual GDP is about 5 trillion U.S. dollars in 2009, per capita GDP about $ 15,000. Meanwhile, the total domestic consumption was 10.0 trillion U.S. dollars and government expenditure was 4.5 trillion U.S. dollars"

The real situation of US debt is far scarier than that graph.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:08 | 1800616 Pinto Currency
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Remember, your $14.8 trillion in debt is only the Federal debt.  The total debt (Fed, State, Corp, Consumer, Municipal and Consumer debt) is $51 trillion + then the unfunded liabilities.



Fri, 03/16/2012 - 23:58 | 2264354 haibop
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exactly 48 gas range

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 01:18 | 2180077 haibop
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the right way to go. surveys4income

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 11:58 | 2267110 haibop
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how about now? 36 inch gas range

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:35 | 1789057 fourchan
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you will see...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:21 | 1789495 karzai_luver
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Because if you ain't on OUR SIDE bitch then you are just another ant and if the elephant starts another wild stampede or  just splits and falls over dead then you are going to get crushed.


Count on it.


Hitler with nukes,hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 13:31 | 1789527 Hard1
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Neither am I, but unless you live on a cave with wahtever resources you can gather...you will feel the efects

Tue, 12/27/2011 - 14:43 | 2014203 haibop
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this is not funny. get your wife back

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:01 | 1788914 Smiddywesson
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Trav may be correct if I read him properly.  I remember from N. Ferguson's book, The Assent of Money, that Medieval Christain lenders were prohibited from charging interest but their Jewish counterparts interpreted it as prohibiting then from charging interest from other Jews, but it was ok to charge Christains.  It was a good book.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:26 | 1789014 Crack-up Boom
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The restriction on charging interest (to whomever it applied) could be circumvented by charging a "fee" for the use of money.   

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:40 | 1789075 Harlequin001
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sure, what's the difference between Shariah finance and hire purchase?

The name, that's all...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:46 | 1789116 Harlequin001
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Smiddy, I saw the film, and whilst I found it interesting I still thought it an apology for the banks.

Money, or currency, is not 'trust inscribed,' it is a depository receipt, this time secured by the assets in the Treasury. When people understand that there are no assets in the treasury they will discard it for gold or some other medium of exchange. At no point did he say that. That's the whole point of our 'innovative' derivatives industry, to distort the prices of everything indicative of inflation and convince the great unwashed that gold is not real money.

Nice try, no banana...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:03 | 1789186 disabledvet
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Yeah...and ditch the middle finger too Mr Smiley Face. People might get the wrong impression. Like you're angry or somethin.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 08:52 | 2272735 l.hauri
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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:02 | 1788925 Raymond Reason
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It ultimately constituted a Holy text to the Christains and Muslims.  And thus the clan became the worlds lenders. 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 10:53 | 1788878 Ghordius
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hedgeless_horseman, Exodus 22:25 was practiced extensively in the Middle Ages by not allowing Christians to lend to Christians and Jews to Jews.

This meant that Christians lent to Jews and they lent it to other Christians.

Let's say it did not work very well and it still fuels a lot of childish hate.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:10 | 1788896 hedgeless_horseman
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Indeed!  We are always trying to skirt the regs.



Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:26 | 1789013 Bicycle Repairman
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Outside the regs: there be profits.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:41 | 1789086 RafterManFMJ
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Outside the regs: there be profits.


And inside the regs, there be prophets...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:36 | 1789340 America- Some A...
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Best reply ever!!




Seems i can't green you...

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 17:09 | 2012185 haibop
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you are right. Matt Huston Ex2

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:23 | 1789003 sdmjake
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Perhaps better instructions for folks:

"Owe no man anything" - Romans 13:8

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:40 | 1789055 hedgeless_horseman
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Amen, lest the devil be a counterparty to your counterparty.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:39 | 1789070 tekhneek
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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:05 | 1789194 disabledvet
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"neither a borrower nor a lender be."

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