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Schiff Vs. Insana; Matter Vs. Anti-Matter

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Perhaps no better example of the two camps of perspectives on the market's performance and the Fed's expectations was on display this afternoon on CNBC. In the 'we need some destructive asset clearing in order to get back to any sort of growth trajectory and the Fed is feeding an inflationary monster with its band-aid upon band-aid money-printing' camp is Peter Schiff; while the other side of the investing octagon is Ron Insana who sees a '100% rise in stocks as evidence of something and that the Fed must do something, anything in order that we avoid the reality under the surface of a deleveraging deflationary world economy'. We are not sure of the winner as the shouting became too much to bear - but nevertheless the vociferous nature of the two combatants (each proclaiming their #winning-ness) shows the bifurcated world in which we live.



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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:08 | 2787742 max2205
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Ron is a big asshole. Boring wrong loser ego prick

Other than that....

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:14 | 2787756 SemperFord
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Yup, reminds me of Benny Boy, balding fuck who thinks stocks are the economy!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:37 | 2787798 JPM Hater001
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This is extremly bullish for seashells.

What is most fun to me is that it will all be there on tape in the end.

And the end is near.

I really try not to self promote here but here is the end dickhead in my latest video...get to the end my daughters face is all you need to know:

What we are doing to our childrens hope...This is the End.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:47 | 2787823 RSloane
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Well done! Thanks so much for the link.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:04 | 2787831 Pladizow
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In 2006-2008 did'nt Insana's hedge fund fail and have to go back to being a paid puppet?

If he knew in 2003 the housing market was in trouble, why did'nt he short it and have a successful hedge fund?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:17 | 2787880 stocktivity
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It's all Bullshit!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:24 | 2787892 Dr. Richard Head
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What is bullshit is that CNbS videos no longer show on ZH through me iAss.... I mean iPhone4s.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:57 | 2788158 FEDbuster
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Save this clip for "Peter Schiff was right 2013".

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:41 | 2788352 economics9698
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Insana talks like a macroeconomics textbook.  Now you guys know why I am fucking nuts.  Try teaching this shit and then trying to tell your students its shit.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:32 | 2787910 Thomas
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Insana was calling a housing bubble? Yeah. Right. He's a dildo just like all the other dildos on CNBC. How many decades are they gonna laugh at Schiff on CNBC. Bring back Mike Norman if you're gonna do that. He was the supreme dildo (along with that long-haired Neanderthal who was laughing with him.) Schiff is a natural lightening rod. If James Grant was saying exactly the same thing, Insana would be cowering in the corner, sucking up his own vomit in fear. I can't shit on him enough.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:54 | 2788147 A Nanny Moose
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IIRC, he miscalculated the initial rush herding, to dollars and sovereign debt. Peter at least owned up to the "error" in his thesis. The real miscalculation being the  will of the Government and The Fed.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:42 | 2788354 economics9698
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Thomas you need to post more just so I can check out the Mercury girl’s tits.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:31 | 2788339 redpill
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Seriously, this will be another "Schiff was right" video and all these loser Keynesians will still throw up their hands and say "who could have known???"  Fuckers.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:33 | 2787911 Thomas
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Insana was calling a housing bubble? Yeah. Right. He's a dildo just like all the other dildos on CNBC. How many decades are they gonna laugh at Schiff on CNBC. Bring back Mike Norman if you're gonna do that. He was the supreme dildo (along with that long-haired Neanderthal who was laughing with him.) Schiff is a natural lightening rod. If James Grant was saying exactly the same thing, Insana would be cowering in the corner, sucking up his own vomit in fear. I can't shit on him enough.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:51 | 2787943 SGS
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"100% stock recovery was not a recovery"


So was printing 6 trillion fucking dollars you motherfucker.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:52 | 2787947 SGS
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"You can collect seashells, I'll keep buying Gold"


If Peter had a vagina I'd fuck him.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:40 | 2788028 CompassionateFascist
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2 Jews in a tub. I grow tired of all these "ideas". What's needed is cathartic Action.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:17 | 2788077 hannah
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actually ron insana did call the housing bubble. there are presentations on the internet where he talks about the coming implosion. this was done outside of cnbc. then he quits cnbc and starts a hedge fund that invests in RMBS...? then that went bust.

he is a paid toad...but he did call the housing bubble.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:24 | 2788083 smlbizman
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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:40 | 2788276 hannah
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the videos were probably filmed around 2004(?). they were videos of paid(?) talks he gave for small groups (i think).


Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:00 | 2788369 JLee2027
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Probably the prospect of making strong money changed his mind. Like Greenspan's paper promoting Gold as Economic Freedom then becoming Fed Chairman and supressing Gold. They know better, but for some reason they lie like dogs. Don't understand it myself. Whatever, he's a sh/t.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:21 | 2788088 smlbizman
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when did george castanza become a douchebag financial expert?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:59 | 2787950 TwoShortPlanks
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The crying shame is that if we (the people who believe current policy is wrong) end up being right, there will be no camera crews or media shooting film of those who were wrong, eating out of rubbish bins...therefore, no official apology, and no recognition whatsoever.

Instead, what we will see, is that of Governments held-bent on taking Gold from us. We will be labelled as dishonest hoarders, akin to War Profiteers, after their [subconscious] realisation that they were wrong after-all.

There will be two minds which will emerge; the first is the puny mind of the average citizen, incapable of accepting that the were either wrong or acknowledge that they were lazy to investigate when things were amiss. The other is that of the Cerebral Narcissist, they will convince themselves and each other that their new position is merely an intelligent evolution in their own mindset and pathway, brought about from intellectual superiority, definitely not a 180 deg turnaround on their behalf. These two minds will constitute the media mouthpiece.

This is how we turn other nations and other people into enemies before waging war, and this is how metal holders will be turned into enemies of the state and the citizen-serfs of that state.

People like Schiff don't realise it as yet, but a target will emerge upon his back.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:27 | 2788014 Karlus
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Cant take what is on the bottom of the lake. Happens every time I go boating.

And if they make it illegal, there are plenty of foreigners that would love to trade me something nice for it.

They can laugh at Schiff all they want (and have for years, literally). I have done far better than any d-bag financial advisor or Bernie Madoff fund manager YOY and will continue.

CNBC is designed to part you from your money should you be silly enough to listen to any of these boobs.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:33 | 2788260 TwoShortPlanks
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And Bloomberg USA is a continuous fucking Ad, punctuated only by the occasional Market Update...iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, i'veAlreadyFuckingGotOne

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:53 | 2787949 Shizzmoney
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Because he is a shitty broker?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:17 | 2788001 JPM Hater001
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"If he knew in 2003 the housing market was in trouble, why did'nt he short it and have a successful hedge fund?"

In past interviews Schiff has said he should have opened a hedge fund. And pretty sure there is little to negatively asses about Peters personal Investing. Suck on that.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:47 | 2787824 krispkritter
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Insana-ty. Sounds like a worshipper at the altar of Krugman, Bernanke, and Keynes(aka, Dewey, Screwm, and Howe). Now I know why I shot my TV...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:58 | 2788162 A Nanny Moose
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Indeed. If printing money were the solution, why not just print all the time, and toss it out of Volvos? If printing money were the solution, why aren't Argentina, Zimbabwe, and Weimar Germany, Austria, etc., the finacial centers of the universe?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 10:49 | 2789592 azzhatter
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I always thought Insana was dead. Now I realized he's just stupid

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:14 | 2788073 Ponzi_Scheme
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My first thought was that I didn't steal her future. Then I realized I did steal her future... I haven't killed any of those responsible...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:58 | 2788160 PlausibleDenial
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Great video up to the point that you brought Obama on screen.  I prefer to be completely out of the right/left paradigm.  To be fully balanced you may have offered a Bush legacy of some sort.  Nevertheless, last time I checked, the folks from Papau, New Guinea were still using shell money to trade.  This, of course, in the face of the IMF.

Again, good video, just drop the blatant politics.  They are all the same.




Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:58 | 2788161 PlausibleDenial
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Great video up to the point that you brought Obama on screen.  I prefer to be completely out of the right/left paradigm.  To be fully balanced you may have offered a Bush legacy of some sort.  Nevertheless, last time I checked, the folks from Papau, New Guinea were still using shell money to trade.  This, of course, in the face of the IMF.

Again, good video, just drop the blatant politics.  They are all the same.




Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:40 | 2788277 Angus McHugepenis
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Had to login just to say "thanks". Excellent video and I wish you and your family all the best.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:48 | 2787827 RSloane
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I'm glad you said that +1.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:53 | 2787837 I think I need ...
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Didn't Insana bankrupt 2 hedge funds? He's like a complete failure and I can't believe he makes it onto TV still what a fuckin asshole

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:34 | 2787912 Thomas
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I'm not sure, but I know that he has been in a state of total intellectual bankruptcy since the dawn of time.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 08:52 | 2788927 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"...what a fuckin asshole"

That's what I was yelling at the teevee during his comments!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:44 | 2787819 GolfHatesMe
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He's the George Costanza of that stupid station

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:50 | 2787833 banksterhater
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One of biggest pompous PRICKS ever on tv, 2nd to Klaptrap Kernen.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:51 | 2788137 Citxmech
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Kudlow is pretty bad too.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:20 | 2788383 LarryDavis
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As I began to smell Mandy's body I had an increadible idea. "Why don't you cover your body in pina colada smelling tanning lotion and pretend you are on spring break in the 80s? Bring me that Spuds Mackenzie poster." Like most Australian women, Mandy wasn't one to argue after some shiraz and a few barbituates. As she poured the lotion on her tan but sturdy frame I told her to stop and sit still for minute. I wanted to put the lotion on her ass only. I didn't have time to cover her shoulders or calfs or less essential places like armpits or toes. As soon as her ass was glistening and smelling some cheap rum infused tanning bed nightmare, I started to put in work. I asked her about her time and Asia and if she had ever slept with rich Asian business men for money. As you would expect (and at least in part my disarming her can be attributed to how good I was fucking her) she said "Yes, Yes" in a drunk Australian voice. i was so happy to hear her talk about getting fucked and not about crony finance that it became increasingly harder for me to contain my ejaculate. I asked her to tell me about her dressing room at CNBC headquarters and if she had ever masturbated there. I couldn't even wait for her response and right as I was about to cum I plunged my throbbing dick right into her ass without warning. She shrieked and punched my stomach but I knew she liked it. Actually, I was certain she loved it. 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:16 | 2787878 asteroids
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The CNBC anchors where all laughing at Schiff. (What a disgrace)  I suspect, he'll eventually get the last laugh.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:47 | 2788128 Silver Bug
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Schiff is the man.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:16 | 2787743 knukles
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Insana is such a dork


Sorta like a guy who gets a journalism degree at Missouri, does a book review in the local underground free press on Paris Hilton's The Secrets of Deep Thinking and believes himself to be a fucking philosopher.

Ron Insana is a reporter miming for an Official Propaganda Organ of the Monied Interests who harbors delusions of grandeur, influence, importance and narcissism, thereby justifying debating a Peter Schiff or Ray Dalio.

Ron Insana.  Fucking Hero of Capitalism.

I wonder if Cramer lets him tweeze his back?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:17 | 2787759 Michael
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Shit is moving into high gear. TPTB know their time is just about up. They will try to pull whatever shit they can pull out of their ass holes and throw it at you. Beware.

Central Missouri Copblocker Jeffrey Weinhaus Shot by MO St. Patrol Employee(s), Airlifted

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:42 | 2787812 White.Star.Line
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Please stop worrying about our little "bump" into the iceberg and just take your seat in the lifeboat....".........

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:43 | 2788355 IrritableBowels
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Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:02 | 2788431 Weyland_Yutani
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I read "Cockblocker". My bad.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 10:51 | 2789601 Guinny_Ire
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He reminds me more of the Columbia School of Journalism D student who becomes a financial reporter so he can attend cocktail parties with high rollers hoping to suck up to them and learn something in the process.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:08 | 2787744 kito
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hey how about ray dalio!!!



Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:08 | 2787746 Snakeeyes
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Fed can only add fizz to the stock market. Housing? Nothing. Economic growth? Nothing.

Bernanke wants Obama reelected. Period.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:16 | 2787748 Yen Cross
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Ron Insana is a "GIANT"

"bloviating"   meat ball!     I'm not taking Schiffs side here, as he can be an a-hole to. I remember when CNBS tryed to make a clown out of Schiff, and then got their heads back on a platter!

I remember when Insana was busting his cherry back in the 90's , and thought to myself. What a " Harvey Milktoast" this guy is!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:13 | 2787752 Alpo for Granny
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Another Schiff gem....

You can collect seashells, I'll keep buying gold.

Fucking CLASSIC!!! 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:18 | 2787761 WTF2
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Insana is a busted reporter that went to a hedgefund at the top, then got fired and because his friends feel sorry for him they allow poor Ron to bloviate on CNBC.  I would take Schiff's position and wallet any time.


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:55 | 2787843 banksterhater
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These dumb-as-rocks guys must blow a lot of execs to keep "appearing" after we thought they finally dissappeared, add NESTO, there's another prick fatass dumbarse.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:56 | 2787845 Ineverslice
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True dat.

And all that's left for him at the network are Maria's Pom-Poms... (old friends)

she knows the real score, and can survive (well) when all crashes; Bill G's future is a bit more precarious as it rests on being Head Cheerleader.  Sorry William.


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:18 | 2787762 Temporalist
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I think this was just an iPhone 5 ad.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:19 | 2787763 disabledvet
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Been quiet for a reason...riot's the season. If the Fed QE's as the so obviously will tomorrow I think far from unleashing bond vigilante's The Bernank will have finally opened the Pandora's Box of Bond Ghouls. I've been talking about how I have seen no support for the dollar for months now...and I have not been disappointed. The Germans are rightly screaming bloody murder over this...but there is a point where the dollar just falls put of bed ala 71 and these clowns in DC can tempt fate no more. IMO the die was cast in 2008 with bank bailouts. Simply "wheeling it around" to save all State and Local Governments as Ben is trying to do doesn't seem even remotely feasible. Indeed that oil price is really moving hard and higher in spite (or because?) of the threatened SPR release. I think defaults on a MASSIVE scale loom...and the purpose of frying Ben's Brain is only to "make sure we get him to get us through to election day." of course the inevitable "and then what" arises. Time to "Fly the Big Boy to outer space" ala Dr. Evil I imagine.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:21 | 2787768 akak
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Schiff: "The economy need more stimulus like an alcoholic needs another drink."


Why is the utter simplicity and clarity of this point not completely obvious to all these pro-Establishment, pro-status-quo shills?

(Oops, I guess I just answered my own question --- when one's job is dependent on avoiding the truth, one will refuse to even consider, much less accept, that truth.)

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:26 | 2787780 Yen Cross
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akak you are 100% correct! Putting (clarity and establishment) together is akin to an event horizon without a "catalyst"!

 A greenie for you!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:41 | 2787811 Meesohaawnee
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each and every day CNBC urinates down its leg proving more and more they are just an outsourced ad firm of the fed/banking elite. How does any network get by on a thousand majik jak commercials and pay its bills? How cause they are subsidized is my guess.   Any normal network that has lowest ratings in 7 years would be turning things upside down. Nope. No need to there. In my opinion the bread is buttered in places ,"dark pools" and no im not talkin about Maria's

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:54 | 2787839 RSloane
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Their Big Daddy Pump sits on Obama's Jobs Council and is Obama's advisor. Mystery solved.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:26 | 2787901 BeerBrewer09
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Not one of the CNBC anchors can put together a sentence without a fucked up facial expression or obvious speech impediment.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:42 | 2787816 XitSam
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The shills are like the Fed. If they admitted they were wrong, it would be admitting their whole existance has been a sham. It's not that they won't, they actually can not admit to being failures and will bring down the economy rather than do it.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:51 | 2787835 RSloane
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"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." ~ Ron Paul

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:16 | 2787877 krispkritter
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In that vein:

Ben Bernanke is: Captain Jack Sparrow in 'The Pirates of the CrapWeAreIn'

'But why is the economy gone?'

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:25 | 2787893 buzzsaw99
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We must fight, to run away.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:21 | 2787770 TWSceptic
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Nice Schiff on ZH, about time.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:39 | 2788027 dannyboy
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What are you on about? He has been on ZH quite alot.. even recently the crew posted his vid about corporate profits at the DNC among others.

Peter Schiff Discovers No Country For Corporate Profits

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:10 | 2788321 pan
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I love that Jew!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:22 | 2787773 Bay of Pigs
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Insana is a bold faced liar and a fucking stooge on economics.

The BlowHorn...LOL

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:37 | 2787804 Ineverslice
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George Castanza.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:06 | 2787978 Westcoastliberal
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I was JUST going to post that. Wow!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:23 | 2787774 fearsomepirate
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This is an easy one--the side that says we need to avoid reality loses.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:26 | 2787781 defencev
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In deflationary environment when supply exceeds demand, printing more money in theory would mean raising the demand and hence providing a stimulus for more production. However, when Fed prints money, it leads to the raise of prices for certain assets (e.g. commodities). I do not see how the rise of price of , say, gasoline or food increases its demand. On the contrary, it makes these products less accessible. The beneficiaries of Fed printing are market speculators and big banks (the latter because of the concrete mechanism of prinring). I do not understand how it can benefit real economy.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:44 | 2787927 Bobportlandor
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(On the contrary, it makes these products less accessible.)

Exactly the only thing needed to drive the economy is either higher wages or lower price.

Lower bread and gasoline to 1.00 and see how much you sell or raise wages 2x 3x.

But we still need to compete worldwide and the chinks with their low wages are the controlling factor.

So raising wages is out of the question.

The cost of goods and services have to go down (wages) and the only thing the Fed is doing is holding wages up causing goods, services and competitiveness to slowly disapear.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:26 | 2787782 Gringo Viejo
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Ron was givin' me a woody. He can sit on my lap, anytime. Who's your dadddy?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:33 | 2788022 Jake88
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Too much information fag boy.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:27 | 2787783 AssFire
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I got a video of young Bernanke:

Seems he always knew what he wanted to do when he grew up...


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:27 | 2787784 e-man
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Can't wait for when the next "crisis" hits and Insana will be on CNBC saying no one could have seen it coming and the Fed was only doing what they thought was best.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:31 | 2787908 Half_A_Billion_...
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"nothing in the field of economics can explain what happened"

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:30 | 2787786 SDRII
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Insana ranks among the dumbest on CNBC and that is an serious feat considering the likes of Bartaroma, Kernan and Pisani. They bring him along with that moron from Paulson just just for irony

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:02 | 2787854 banksterhater
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Insomnia, Buttaroma, Kernen Klaptrap and Pissonhe, the gang of pimps and whores most wish get buried for good.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:15 | 2787871 RSloane
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Ohhh, I dunno. Becky Quick is tough stupid competition.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:20 | 2788009 Crisismode
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Becky blows the Oracle of Omaha . . .

Shouldn't that count for SOMETHING??

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:33 | 2787794 Ineverslice
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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:34 | 2787795 e-man
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Is there a counter site to ZH, where bloggers and readers comment on how brilliant Bernanke and Draghi are, and deify people like Insana and Krugman?  Besides CNBC?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:06 | 2787852 RSloane
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I haven't been there for several months due to the throw-up factor, but you might want to try the MSNBC website. They deify Obama, Krugman, Bernanke, Michelle Obama, Immelt of course, Chuckie Schumer, Pelosi, Harry Reid, et all. A lot of the left-wing websites seem to, [haven't been to any of those lately either so things might have changed]  I haven't been back to any  ever since the Huffpost had an article about Obama working so so hard for the American people that he loves and we should thank him.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:10 | 2787860 fonzannoon
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You got 3 green arrows in like a half of a second for that one. Funny shit.

edit: you should have left what you had wrote.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:15 | 2787873 RSloane
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Haha about the gag-reflex? I thought it might be offensive to some.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:18 | 2787881 fonzannoon
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this is a different audience. I'm on this site as much for the truth as I am the humor.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:55 | 2787958 WillyGroper
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Thu, 09/13/2012 - 09:03 | 2788962 dcb
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certainly while the huff post does publish left wing propaganda pieces. (I don't think I have seen a riht wing propaganda piece), that in fact do a great deal of anti Obama article3s esp in teh business section, a great deal against the feed, a huge amount against mortage companies, and they almost always tie it back to Obama not standing up to vested interests. they slam geither. I actually post a fair number of anti obama pices in regards to economic policy, partiot act, etc, etc, on a social media site, and almost all are from huff post.

If that is your perception of huff post it isn't valid in the total view. Absolutely ni left media has attacked the fed and crony capitialism they way they have. there did a lot of pro ron paul articles.

You need to spend a bit more time. the series they did on the obama administration and the mortgage abuses, and how they obama administration has really caved to banking interests (don't beleive they hype stuff) has been some of the best work on the mortgage crisis I have seen

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:20 | 2787884 Papasmurf
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I think CNBC is patented.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 07:02 | 2788607 BeetleBailey
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A weak one, but yes. - owned by the NYT. The comments there are hilarious - but show the stupidity of many.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:39 | 2787797 Squid Vicious
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Deflationary deleveraging? wtf is Insane-a talking about has he been to a grocery store or gas station in the last 3 years? or seen any metrics on US govt. or consumer debt?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:35 | 2787800 Meesohaawnee
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do i see spunk in maria's hair?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:46 | 2787822 azzhatter
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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:22 | 2787889 akak
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Of course it is not!

I have little doubt that crackhead Cramer is as impotent in the bedroom as he is financially.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:24 | 2787890 fonzannoon
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I am pretty sure Cramer's IRA was with Lenny Dykstra

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:37 | 2787801 Yen Cross
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Tyler these pussy " Fight Clubs" are in demand!   Lets call intrade, and do a " Insana/Leisman" , ass slapping event ?

  The winner gets front row "TOTUS" seats!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:37 | 2787805 RobinHood73
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Insana is a petulant has-been who couldnt cut it in the real world. How long did his stint at SAC last?, like 9 mths. He is a bought man , a defacto  Wstreet/FED advocate), as is most of CNBC with the possible exception of Santelli.  The street and the fed need to keep this asinine debate alive with their army of propagandists to keep things confusing and maintain control. I think its pretty clear to all of us that QE is not first and foremost a directed band-aid to solve our housing or employment woes, as is the pitch.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:41 | 2787807 HD
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I'm sure I'm missing something but...

   Wouldn't Ben get everything he wants by doing nothing tomorrow? More jawboning and a few meaningless policy tweaks and the market drops - but so does the 10 year, gold, corn and crude and the Fed doesn't "look" political to boot.  Once the market rolls over the Fed will have cover to print at will after the election as Europe implodes.

The whole "Ben wants to keep his job" argument doesn't ring true to me - Ben isn't making the big money now, his fortune is to be made "consulting" for the TBTF banks just like bubble blower extraordinaire Greenspan.


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:40 | 2787809 El
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Some folks you just can't reach. Mr. Insana is going to have to figure this out himself...the hard way.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:41 | 2787815 Colonel Klink
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If you look up cunt in the dictionary, you'll find Insana pictured.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:48 | 2787826 azzhatter
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that's the biggest page in the dictionary

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:54 | 2787838 Colonel Klink
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Hahaha, thanks I needed the laugh today. +1

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:53 | 2788143 XitSam
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I thought it was the other way around ... if you looked up Insana in the dictionary ...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:14 | 2787870 Jim B
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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:42 | 2787817 The Shootist
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I like Peter, but he said the next QE would have taken place last summer right after the last one. I still side with him politically, but I take him with more of a grain of salt lately.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:55 | 2787841 fonzannoon
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He is usually right, but in making his points he sometimes exaggerates. I can't blame his timing. I would rather be with the guy who is going to win the war.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:02 | 2787855 Yen Cross
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fonzannoon   you are a good egg!     

    Did you grow up in that "rotten apple"?   If so you turned out pretty good!  Take a vacation to anywhere ASAP!


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:16 | 2787876 fonzannoon
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I live just outside the rotten apple. I am stuck here. I like the people around me. Most of them are clueless to what is talked about on here but they are good people. I was thinking about trying to jump into Kito's life raft when he heads for paradise but I am going to hang out instead and see if people try to pick up the pieces. But I have a plan B and a plan C and I will be more prepared than most. That will probably make me a target. Or maybe this drags on perpetually. I feel like an insane person giving himself a pep talk sometimes...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:27 | 2787896 Yen Cross
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Silence is Golden.  Look at the pictures, mental/physical that mean the most to you. Take action, and don't look back!

  If you can't please yourself, how can you please your family? 

    Put em all on a raft to someplace that you feel safe!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:30 | 2787905 fonzannoon
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You sound like this guy, and he was pretty smart....

"There is a time in every man's education when he arrives at the conviction that envy is ignorance; that imitation is suicide; that he must take himself for better, for worse, as his portion; that though the wide universe is full of good, no kernel of nourishing corn can come to him but through his toil bestowed on that plot of ground which is given to him to till."

"What I must do is all that concerns me, not what the people think. This rule, equally arduous in actual and in intellectual life, may serve for the whole distinction between greatness and meanness. It is the harder, because you will always find those who think they know what is your duty better than you know it. It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our own; but the great man is he who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude."


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:45 | 2787932 Yen Cross
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 In all honesty, I don't have time to read and "propagate" your "big bang" moment. You just seem like a person of "conscience" , and I respect that.

     If you have an FX account, I would look @ fading "cable", and getting long $/¥ in the near future. As I said fonzannoon

 quit overthinking yourself.  You are a smart person... ;-)

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:59 | 2787963 fonzannoon
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Thanks for the heads up Yen.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 09:46 | 2789223 SmackDaddy
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I was having the same conversation with myself the other day.  I dont think it will be 'perpetual'.  But I certainly dont see my generation doing a goddam thing about this (i'm 31).  And it's certainly going to get a lot worse before it gets better...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:11 | 2787865 ultimate warrior
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Would you rather listen to an economist that was right but early in his prediction, or listen to an "economist" that is wrong, has been wrong, and will always be wrong in their false keynesian ideology.  

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:48 | 2787825 topspinslicer
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I've been waiting for this magical deflation I have been hearing about for a good 4 years now but all I've got is this $4 gas and $18k one year tuition bill and and and THE WINNER IS PETER BOY!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:49 | 2787828 kevinearick
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Tick tock

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:55 | 2787842 Colonel Klink
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Yeah but they keep turning the hands back.  Just wait until everyone realizes how late they are!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:08 | 2787986 kevinearick
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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 19:56 | 2787847 Turin Turambar
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Insana is a jackass

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:05 | 2787858 Perpetual Burn
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I love how every economist on CNBC said they called the finacial crisis.


Guy is  beyond a joke.



Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:11 | 2787866 blindman
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matter and anti matter. hmm?
two illusions that annihilate one
another on contact resulting in ...
nothing again. works for me, i like it.
. but seriously folks .....
where is the energy? and what is that big
yellow thing on the horizon? ( in the sky )
makes me think o the unified particle theory,
the electric universe and the van allen belt
links previously provided.
good day

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:16 | 2787874 Quinvarius
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Insana used the word "wrongheaded".  He loses by default.  He might as well put on a bow tie now.  Plus, Ron asked to be paid in seashells because he says they are money.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:20 | 2787887 muppet_master
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cnbc =

clown nut bonobo channel...i don't watch "financial news" and specially don't watch those LIE-beral RAPE-O-NOMICS idiots...yes they can rape the responsible savers...

this casino will crash..bc band-aid, after band-aid doesn't address the toxicity in the organs....not to mention drugs after drug increasing toxic levels.

then when it crashes HARD and makes significant 3/2009 lows..then you can thank the stupid "reporters" LOL !!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:31 | 2787907 buzzsaw99
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insana couldn't pick a winner in a one horse race

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:37 | 2787916 Yen Cross
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 LMAO buzz!   Blunt and TRUE!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:44 | 2787926 yogibear
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Insana's name spelled backwards is Anansi. 

The Story of Anansi

Anansi the Spider was a vain, mischievous creature, always swindling and hoodwinking others. 

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:55 | 2788365 IrritableBowels
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Anasni ??

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:47 | 2787936 Red Heeler
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To sum up:

Sea shells - Good

Gold - Bad

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:49 | 2787939 the 300000000th...
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Poor Peter was stuck in an idiot soup


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:52 | 2787945 TheFourthStooge-ing
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No doubt his past is littered with roadside crapping incidents.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:54 | 2787953 Dr. Engali
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I'm sorry but I can't listen to Insana,he is a clueless lying fool. How can he claim that Japan's fed never intervened in the markets  and tha we haven't been following Japan's footsteps? We are doing exactly what Japan has done and continues to do. I can't wait to see this clueless hedge fund failure with egg on his face again.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:55 | 2787955 Chippewa Partners
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Don't beat up on Magic Jack.........look at that stock chart!!!   Another name I watched without buying a share.     

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 20:59 | 2787965 Sathington Willougby
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Beads, sea shells, blankets, paper.  Me no likum wampum no more.  Pale face lie.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:06 | 2787981 Atomizer
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The mindless fuck sticks at CNBS must be experiencing the ass puckering effect at the office. Appears, they have been reading facts & have no defense to mathematically counter debate. Lemming fear teleprompter mode has reached DEFCON 4

More Money Made Owning Stocks Than Running Companies


On a geopolitical note.. 

Jim Cramer: Voter ID Law Will Disenfranchise My Dad 

The comrades are coming out in full force. Too bad Jimbo never talked to Oprah about crossing the line in pimping a failed agenda.  


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:07 | 2787987 Westcoastliberal
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1 & 2 didn't move the meter in the right direction and neither will 3.  The phrase "pouring sand down a rathole" comes to mind.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:13 | 2788000 Poor Grogman
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Peter Schiff and his books have snapped more sheeple out of their funk than almost any other person.

Kudos to him...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:19 | 2788079 greenEagles
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<raises hand>  Dude re-arranged my world view.  I randomly happened upon his mortgage bankers speech on youtube after the crash in 2008.  It literally blew my mind someone could have predicted the problems in housing so accurately.  I'll never view any finance/policital media the same way again.  It's like putting on glasses for the first time and realizing you couldn't see shit before.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:59 | 2788425 Weyland_Yutani
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I stumbled upon the Peter Schiff was right video in 2008 and he opened my eyes to Austrian Economics, Murray Rothbard, Mises, Hazlitt, Lew Rockwell, Tom Woods, Jim Rogers, Marc Faber and the rest of the good guys.

Discovering Austrian Economics is like suddenly realising that the earth is round, not flat.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:21 | 2788010 blindman
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January 10, 2004

"The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes.
O'Neill: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11
January 10, 2004

"From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told CBS, according to excerpts released Saturday by the network. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."

O'Neill, who served nearly two years in Bush's Cabinet, was asked to resign by the White House in December 2002 over differences he had with the president's tax cuts. O'Neill was the main source for "The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O'Neill," by former Wall Street Journal reporter Ron Suskind.

The CBS report is scheduled to be broadcast Sunday night; the book is to be released Tuesday by publisher Simon & Schuster.

Suskind said O'Neill and other White House insiders gave him documents showing that in early 2001 the administration was already considering the use of force to oust Saddam, as well as planning for the aftermath.

"There are memos," Suskind told the network. "One of them marked 'secret' says 'Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq.'"

Suskind cited a Pentagon document titled "Foreign Suitors For Iraqi Oilfield Contracts," which, he said, outlines areas of oil exploration. "It talks about contractors around the world from ... 30, 40 countries and which ones have what intentions on oil in Iraq."

In the book, O'Neill is quoted as saying he was surprised that no one in a National Security Council meeting asked why Iraq should be invaded.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this,'" O'Neill said.

Suskind also described a White House meeting in which he said Bush seemed to waver about going forward with a second round of tax cuts.

"Haven't we already given money to rich people... Shouldn't we be giving money to the middle?" Suskind says Bush asked, according to what CBS called a "nearly verbatim" transcript of an economic team meeting Suskind said he obtained from someone at the meeting.

O'Neill also said in the book that President Bush "was like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people" during Cabinet meetings.

One-on-one meetings were no different, O'Neill told the network."

for the record.
. from .. this link
TALKING_HEADS burning down the house.mpg
Talking Heads Burning Down The House Lyrics

Who got a match ?

Watch out, you might get what you're after
Cool babies, strange but not a stranger
I'm an ordinary guy
Burning down the house
Hold tight, wait 'till the party's over
Hold tight, we're in for nasty weather
There has got to be a way
Burning down the house
Here's your ticket, pack your bags, time for jumpin' overboard
Transportation is here
Close enough but not too far, maybe you know where you are
Fightin' fire with fire , huuu
All wet, hey you might need a raincoat
Shakedown, dreams walking in broad daylight
Three hundred sixty five degrees
Burning down the house
It was once upon a place, sometimes I listen to myself
Gonna come in first place
People on their way to work said, "Baby what did you except?"
Gonna burst into flame, go ahead
Burning down the house
My house is out of the ordinary
That's right, don't want to hurt nobody
Some things sure can sweep me off my feet
Burning down the house
No visible means of support and you have not seen nothin' yet
Everything's stuck together
I don't know what you expect staring into the TV set
Fighting fire with fire ,,, wehh...

Burning down the house

Burning down the house

Burning down the house

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:29 | 2788017 cubical
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Schiff "There will be a debt and currency crisis"

Insana "No there won't"


Congrats! You just made the cut for "Peter Schiff was right 2014 edition"

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:30 | 2788018 honestann
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The talking heads BS about "no politician could do the right thing" is absolute nonsense.  FACT:  If Obama did nothing and let the market crash and burn BIG TIME, in 1 to 2 years the economy would rebalance naturally and we'd be in a boom right now.

That's more-or-less what happened in the 1921 depression, which was brutal but vanished so fast nobody even thinks about it any more.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:55 | 2788050 jimmyjames
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That's more-or-less what happened in the 1921 depression, which was brutal but vanished so fast nobody even thinks about it any more.


I agree with letting the market sort it out-

The thing that bugs me about the 1921 depression and how it bounced back is the wicked spike that occured in money supply-which was gold at that time-but the depression ending was at the same time gold standard was manipulated and the dollar gold weighting devalued by almost 100% in other words-the world money supply doubled during that period-

I haven't read anyone who addresses this point-but that did happen-

Was it the free market that fixed the depression-or was it a money goose?

Note the twin anomalous money patterns from 1920-1930 and again in 2000-2009-


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:06 | 2788194 XitSam
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I agree with the 'if' you postulate.  But Obama and all politicians, have an irrestible urge to do something.  In their minds, the people elected them not to sit on their hands, but to take action. Doing nothing with a positive result would prove they weren't needed and that, above all, will never be allowed to happen.

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