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Senate Probing S&P Downgrade

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Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:11 | 1539429 NotApplicable
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Squeezin' the Sharma?

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:24 | 1539479 andybev01
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Thou shalt not speak the states name in vain.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:42 | 1539560 Rahm
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Nationalize S&P?

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 19:13 | 1539864 Libertarians fo...
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S&P analysts should be paid from a pool of money which is invested in S&P's various recommendations.  Maybe they could be given a minimal, industry-standard salary, but the bulk of their income should be dependent on the accuracy and competency of their own ratings.

Isn't that how the real world works anyway?  Pay-based performance?

This way, they could rotate their own income out of US treasuries and into BofA equity, which is currently rated the highest recommendation S&P offers. 

Without some skin in the game, there really is no point to their ratings.  Even that, though, isn't any justification for their existence.  Investors and fund managers should do their own due diligence, rather than relying on some junior varsity ratings agency that's so utterly incompetent they completely missed the entire financial crisis.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 20:02 | 1540034 Thomas
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I would love to testify in front of Congress as to why I downgraded US debt. I would create some viral Youtube footage.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:47 | 1539578 tom a taxpayer
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If the downgrade fits, you must acquit.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 23:08 | 1540847 Widowmaker
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Ha ha!

I remember shaking JC's hand one time.

His diversion strategy with Simpson was brilliant.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:25 | 1539494 Rick64
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Senate probings, well I know Barney must be excited.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:19 | 1539692 drbill
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That statement makes me queasy on several different levels!

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:47 | 1539579 RacerX
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No squeeza da Sharma!

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 20:15 | 1540075 knukles
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Here's the deal, Senator.  I downgraded your bonds and the fucking prices went up.  And you're asking me questions?

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 23:14 | 1540910 StychoKiller
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What the Senate should be "probing" is:  WHY haven't Moody's and Fitch downgraded the US Govt as well?

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 23:37 | 1541016 sgorem
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They should've been investigating back in 2007-'08 when the S&P DIDN'T DOWNGRADE THE BASTARDS! FUCKING HANG THE SENATE, THE HOUSE, AND THE REST OF THE FUCKING CROOKS IN DC, from all the DC lamp posts!! WE need to import some of that LONDON shit here......hopefully, it's coming..........

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 07:33 | 1541795 DrunkenMonkey
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You want to import gangs of feral immigrant father-less youth that have been raised on a diet of bullsh*t (mainly-US sourced) music videos, the mantra of individualism and 'rights, not duties' rhetoric ? Be my guest.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:14 | 1539436 oogs66
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this is ridiculous....truly ridiculous...couldn't be our fault, has to be the rating agency fault?

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:19 | 1539465 markmotive
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Typical, desperate self-preservation.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:37 | 1539541 redpill
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This downgrade nonsense simply won't do. They will make an example out of S&P.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:41 | 1539557 TheFourthStooge-ing
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This exchange took place on October 24, 2011 during hearings held by the Senate Committee on Increasing Irrelevancy:

Senator Dick Drippinz (RD - Pennsyltucky): Mr. Sharma, the S&P report on the downgrade to AA+ indicates that one of the factors involved in this decision was, and I quote, "the advanced stage of political douchebaggery on Capitol Hill." It's easy for people to sling mud without understanding the difficult work done by the honorable members of this august institution. For the record, can you cite a specific example of this so-called douchebaggery?

Mr. Deven Sharma, S&P: The first thing that comes to mind is this very hearing.


Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:58 | 1539826 happel
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More finger-pointing. Nothing new here.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:15 | 1539438 Mister Ponzi
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I remember when S&P (or was it Moody's?) downgraded Japan, the head of the rating company and the responsible analyst had to appear in front of a parliamentary committee and answer questions like: "What the hell did you think downgrading our country to the level of Botswana???"

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:15 | 1539443 Transitory Disi...
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horse, door....

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:00 | 1539623 tom a taxpayer
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Yes, but it is a Frankenstein monster, not a horse let loose. One reason S&P has the balls to downgrade the U.S. govt is that the U.S. did not have the balls to prosecute S&P for its role in the greatest financial crimes in U.S. history. 

Now, by downgrading the U.S., the S&P can simultaneously 1) distinguish itself from Moody's as a marketing tactic, and 2) have an excellent defense to any prosecution for alleged past crimes by claiming that prosecution is retribution for the downgrade. 

The govt allowed S&P to grow into a Frankenstein monster. "It's alive!"



Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:26 | 1539713 Jasper M
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That's . . . actually, pretty astute! Congrats.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 19:15 | 1539895 PaperBugsBurn
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I don't understand why you folks don't see what's obvious as hell to me.


S&P are the banksters. This is why there was no prosecution in 08. The banksters do not want to risk their lucrative investments in the rest of the world by forcing QE3 on a rebellious world. They really do want medicare, medicaid, social security and every other social safety net cut so they can maintain the dollar's status. the politicians know that if they comply they are out of a cushy job. They are showing the US gov that they are prepared to go the SDR route if need be. The US market is kaput for them with no future growth potential (because they de-industrialized you).


Am I the only one who sees this or what??

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 21:36 | 1540388 i-dog
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"Am I the only one who sees this or what??"

Sees what? The glaring contradictions in your analysis?

First you say the banksters want cuts to benefits [BTW: No, they don't! ... they want to bankrupt the country (in order to call in the collateral - American serfs and their encumbered property) ... their core investments are now elsewhere]:

"They really do want medicare, medicaid, social security and every other social safety net cut so they can maintain the dollar's status."

Then you say [correctly]:

"The US market is kaput for them with no future growth potential (because they de-industrialized you)."

The bankstas aren't "showing" the US an SDR "if need be" ... they are planning on an SDR as soon as the USD crashes (which they are currently trying to delay into next year ... when all their other ducks should be in a row).

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:35 | 1539749 Kayman
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Too clever by half. The U.S. government was mute before, now they've been outed and are claiming it is S+P's fault.

To paraphrase ol' Warren. Give the guy a Quintuple A rating for effort. 

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:15 | 1539446 b_thunder
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Congress shoudl simply remove special privileges and let the holders of "AAA" rated CDOs to sue S&P for malpractice!    S&P woudl disappear before and of the month, maybe before the and of the week!


Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:11 | 1539665 Bobbyrib
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Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:14 | 1539670 Mec-sick-o
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And that would be the And of S&P

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:15 | 1539447 yabyum
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If anything the S&P was to kind. We suck! Time for some new faces in DC.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:30 | 1539511 fuu
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I read that as feces.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:15 | 1539676 Mec-sick-o
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A very comprehensible Freudian Slip.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:25 | 1539707 max2205
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He isn't white or an American. These rating agencies, whewww.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:16 | 1539449 Catullus
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Give them the Meredith Witney treatment: hit the ignore button. 

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:19 | 1539451 lolmao500
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Just figured out why the US still has 55 000 troops in Germany... it's to protect the German government from the German people... I mean, Germans are gonna be pissed when they see their government has pledged 133% of their GDP to backstop Euro debt... and when it all fails and they try to overthrow the German government, the US troops will be there to save ``democracy`` once again!


Next on the US government agenda : kidnap the SP CEO kids at school for a few hours and then give them back... so he understands the message.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:16 | 1539452 President Palin
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But ... but ... the Teleprompter-In-Chief told me that the USSA will always be AAA!

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:18 | 1539461 Flakmeister
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And that sums up Sarah's understanding of the situation....

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:51 | 1539598 -Michelle-
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Well, no, I'd say that sums up Obama's understanding of the situation.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:07 | 1539657 Flakmeister
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The comments here are hilarious, any dig at an idiot such as Palin is taken as a knee-jerk defense of Obama. No fucking wonder this country is as fucked as it is...Go educate yourself about how we got here in the first place...

Obama is a failure, anyone elected after the financial coup d'etat that was TARP was doomed to be a failure. The only thing that I could say in defense of Obama is that if McCain and that fucking twerp from Wasilla were elected the country would be in an even bigger mess.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:17 | 1539684 -Michelle-
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I would back up a bit and see what your own knee-jerk response was to a comment about Obama. I don't want either of them.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:47 | 1539777 Flakmeister
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If it was one where I called out somebody for calling him a Marxist ideologue, I stand by my statement that he is many things, but a Marxist ain't one of them.

You can bitch and moan about O all you like, just get your rhetoric straight. As for Palin, she makes W seem downright erudite.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 19:03 | 1539850 -Michelle-
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I was referring to your post at 17:18, just a few notches up.

I neither bitch nor moan about Obama. What would be the point? I just want all of them to leave me and my family alone.

As for Palin, the only one talking about her is... you.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 19:11 | 1539881 Flakmeister
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For the humor impaired...

I suggest you make the connection between the poster "President Palin" and my comment.. Jeezus...

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 19:40 | 1539969 adissidentishere
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In what way is he not a marxist? 

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 20:38 | 1540156 Flakmeister
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Well, for one he didn't line up the Banksters and have them shot.... He caved in on a single payer option, he has done nothing to limit the corporate influence in politics.... On most, if not all his policies he is well to the right of Eisenhower, (ok, Ike didn't have to deal with Don't Ask, Don't Tell). He folded like a cheap suit on the Bush tax cuts and debt ceiling negotiations.... Call him a moderate corporate fascist... he ain't even a socialist. 

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:16 | 1539454 Nascent_Variable
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The federal government is an absolutely despicable entity, all the way from the top down.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:17 | 1539455 user2011
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Two parties play the game of chicken, and now got blamed as one of the reason for the downgrade. 

The whole world is pissed.   With Trillions gone in the stock market, these scumbag lawmakers are now trying to blame the agency and punish them.  

Bunch of crooks !!  

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:17 | 1539457 faustian bargain
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Their desperation is delicious.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:35 | 1539745 nmewn
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Yes, it is. I like mine ice cold.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 17:20 | 1539467 unky
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Bullshit, this was a set up. Wall Street, Rating Agencys, Corrupt government officials and the Fed are all working together.

Just to show something to the public...

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