September 11: 10 Years Later
From Mark McHugh of Across The Street
No doubt September 11, 2001 changed everything. But the business of actually measuring those changes has been as overlooked by most as the nationalities of the hijackers. The following is presented in the interest of truth, justice and the American way.
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
~Benjamin Franklin
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It's the cost of the war and the debt acquisition that I find most disturbing.
http://azizonomics.com/2011/09/11/911-%E2%80%94-ten-years-on/
The cost of the war is disturbing, but it's a drop in the bucket of the deficit. The DOD budget is $650B and war expenditure is $150B. End the war and cut theDOD back to $350B like it was under Clinton and the deficit is still well over $1 trillion. Government spending needs to be cut by 33% across the board to balance the budget. Doing so would also crush the GDP and tax revenues
A lot of the official figures are, I think, fudged (to put it mildly). The military spending is significantly higher, the war spending significantly higher, and the aggregate effect of interest for past war is far higher than is openly acknowledged. Rather like the CPI.
http://www.warresisters.org/node/1132
I was very long silver over that decade. I should have also gone long Afghanistan?
N/A
09/11/2001 = INSIDE JOB
AlQaeda = CIA + Mossad + MI6
WTC 7 (Salomon Brothers Building) = CONTROLLED DEMOLITION
AA Flight 77 = CRUISE MISSILE (AGM-86 ALCM)
American Populace = Bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue
true that. I know one person who is awake, and he ain't even a close friend.
About 15 minutes of reality-forcing evidence:
http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=100AB0D5050B41D63CBC2FC1451CEAED
ALL THOSE NUMBERS DONT ADD UP!!
anyone else have a fucking calculator?
Americans busy being brainwashed by US Media on how many "heroes" were created out of 9/11 and how al queda is the enemy and muslims are bad and US is always good.
9/11 was caused by US FOREIGN POLICY (war for oil)
99% US citizens have nothing to gain from such policies which create enemies abroad .
ASK WHY...
WHY Bin Laden ordered attacks?
WHY did Bin Laden attack New York instead of other "evil" places?
WHY do rednecks in middle of nowhere Alabama who have never even been out of their town care about what happened in Manhattan?
WHY do farmers in Afghanistan who thinks WTC photos are from Kabul care about US military presence?
WHY does Al Qaeda even exist?
WHY does US CIA arm Saddam and Bin Laden and Pakistan to fight soviet communists, then kill them off later when they no longer support petrodollars?
WHY does US cover up the truth?
WHY does US spend half of the budget on military while laying off your kids teachers?
WHY does US go to war with certain "evil" countries but not others
WHY does US need to invade oil rich countries?
WHY does US need oil?
WHY does US need to control oil?
WHY does US support petrodollar recycling to defend US monetary hegemony?
WHY the media never discuss the real issues?
Because owners of America need Americans brainwashed to fight against the pawns around the world controlled by their respective owners.
FCK 9/11.
Ask why does AldousHuxley continue to shill for his Zionist masters here at ZH? Must be nice to get paid to propagandize.
Aldous has anyone here ever told you you make a fine tool?
Ya. Thought so.
What are you talking about? Zionists love 9/11. Gives the world to hate muslims. Gives their WASP neocon friends excuse to steal more oil from middle east to bailout zionist banksters. Gives legitmacy to the puppet western regime sending their own citizens into war for their own profit.
If you don't understand or don't have the brains to think critically about world affairs, you are another pawn in the game of world dominance. I don't blame the mafia's wife for enjoying the fruits of clandestine labor of her husbands' work, but at least she knows where the money comes from.
You put the priority of oil industry, politicians, world elites, media, and war profiteers above your own family's needs, you the the tool whether it be zionist banksters, Bin ladens, Saudis, Bushes, Obamas, etc. Why don't you tell your sons to go die for my country so my kids don't have to? when they come back alive, I'll be sure to give them a medal.
Who doesn't love 9/11?
Bin Laden & Al Queda = mission accomplished; moral boost; payback
Saudis = justification to purchase more US fighter jets
Bushes = national support and opportunity to invade Iraq to put their oil back in dollars instead of Euros
NY government workers's masters(police chiefs, fire fighter chiefs, mayors, etc.) = justification to enhance their pensions
Politicians = justification to spend more of your tax dollars (replacement building isn't free)
Fed & Banksters = justification for more money printing (aka bailing out bad debts) to "support the economy"
Military industrial complex = justification for more tax dollars diverted for war spending instead of domestic improvements such as healthcare, education etc. Because terrorism is higher priority for uneducated farmers' kids in middle of W Virginia than education to improve their livelihood
Oil companies = justification to spend your tax dollars to get more oil for less cost and keep the addiction habit going instead of energy independency
Politicians = justification to have more power for national security; easy to get relected as long as they spend other people's money on 9/11 families and photo-ops
TSA = justification to exist and sexually assault your daugters and grandmothers in public all in the name of "terrorism"
Media = sell more fear and ads while showing you all the stories irrelevant to 90% of Tea Party folks not living in Manhattan and will never even visit it.
So how is your life any better from all the pony and dog show of 9/11?
Apparently a misunderstanding. Thought you were serious when you said "Ask why Bin Ladin ordered 9-11"
Sorry. Never mind.
Carry on.
Please watch minute 7 and on..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G43zl4fzDQg
Puhleeze! This woman seems to clearly love the attention and produces no support for her contentions though she says it exists. No way I accept her story without a ton of documentation.
Did you see the SNF game ?? God made Romo fail Jets Won for NY 9-11. Work will be great on Monday.
Opium and heroin - no 1 export.
Takes two to tango. Western retards (especially the greedy bastards on wall st.) are the ones paying for them.
When money is the ultimate goal of your life and country's policies, you will have people sacrificing natural joys (mostly free) to get more money then make up their lack of real life with drugs.
The official figures are actually pretty spot on. Nearly, all of the military expenditures are on-budget. Most congressional districts have a MIC presence, therefore, it behooves the congresscritters to make public the appropriations that are "helping" their constituents. I would take with heaping handful of salt figures from an organization called the "war resisters leagure." (Hint: if they are really resisting the wars, they would have no inside information. Where are they getting their figures, the Joint Chiefs?) If there is any "fudging" going on, the degree is probably much greater in the off-budget entitlement expenditures. No prying eyes and all that shit in the shadows.
How much of the combined National Intelligence budget if off balance sheet? How many Black Programs are they running? How much do they cost? How much are they offset by illegal drug, classified foreign military sales, money laundering, etc? The rabblit hole runs mighty deep ....
Not to mention the cost of attempting to care for all the broken soldiers that manage to make it home alive.
Emphasis on attempting.
They are not taking care of the returning soldiers. Families are going broke taking care of and treating their brain injured kids...
You said it. The medical costs for all the injuured (young) soldiers alone will dwarf any of the numbers they claim.
One word: Entitlements
Most of the cost of war is not even on the books. And it produces absolutely nothing but misery and waste.
Must see
http://youtu.be/yuC_4mGTs98
We lost most of our Constitutional freedoms on 9-11. Their attack of the Twin Towers accomplished their goals. They must really laugh at how the American People have to be X-rayed to show them naked. So, many freedoms lost.
Just yesterday, the whole 9/11 thing sparked a conversation in my house. I asked my wife if she was OK giving up freedoms and constitutional rights for safety... if she was OK with living in a police state. She said "yes" with no hesitation. Her rationale is that she is a good citizen, therefore she has nothing to fear from a police state. Needless to say, the conversation ended right there.
The point is, my wife's viewpoint is very typical of the average person. It is what the mainstream media has done and society has reinforced via herd/groupthink behavior. And you can't easily deprogram this. I have tried, and failed, repeatedly. Only a disaster is going to wake people up.
Most women are like that. My sister is the same way. That's why 0bama's message of the government taking care of everything resonated better with women.
it's not the pres it's Agenda 21.
You'd know wouldn't ya, bitch.
It's funny, because Bush was the ultimate pseudo father figure and "protector" of the little American sheep who were scared that their small town in Iowa would be attacked following 9/11. I remember being in a two story office building in Florida that day and half the staff was scared to death that we were a potential target. Insane. Bush/Republicans and Obama/Democrats are just two sides of the same coin. Unfortunately, the large majority of the population wants what they are selling.
"most women" you know - let's be honest.
to all of you who have partners that you consider beneath your intellect - perhaps if you spent quality time sharing the information you have with them in a non abusive, non-aggressive way, you MIGHT have a partner on your side.
I've found that when you spend time with people sharing, not brow-beating as a "superiour" you get better results - the time you spend "here" online could be put to better use in your own home, if it was something important to you.
I know plenty of people, male and female, who haven't a clue about the "state" of amrka, nor the economy, etc. - alienating them with smug monologues is NOT in your best interests in the long run.
and talking down your partner to get internet cred is lame.
This is why bitchez shouldn't vote.
agreed, bitch.
You're why bitchez should have an abortion if that Y chromosone is detected.
I can give you the names of a few good divorce lawyers. Let me know.
Ah the divorce industry! That should do well in bad economic times, no?
Not if folks can't sell the house. I know of people who hate each other living together because they are stuck with the house. What is the sense of paying for the divorce if you can't afford to split up?
No, it's just changed slightly. Used to be she got the house. Now she is being more reasonable and letting him have it.
I don't know.
There has been so much damage to the culture and education in the last forty years that I don’t know if any spanking will be severe enough to bust the average citizen out of their Kumbaya trance enough to accept reality, the danger that they are in, and the effort it is going to take to restore the United States of America.
You don't get to "accept reality". It kind of just takes over.
"You don't get to "accept reality". It kind of just takes over."
Certainly true from one perspective, but maybe in other words:
"We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality”
-Ayn Rand
Coming from Ayn Rand, that statement is beyond ironic. It is just pitiful.
Interesting but not surprising. Every Randaid drinker I have ever met has one thing in common -- they are narcissists. Rand managed to construct a world where every selfish desire of the narcissist is not only justified, but to be exalted. So it is not surprising that she personally worshiped someone who had no guilt about killing another human being.
"reality" is a perspective, inherent in the individual.
ultimate reality is not a topic of discussion on this blog, and a read of ANY thread will show that even here, "reality" is not an agreed upon concept, merely pockets of similar viewpoints.
we're here, talking about a particular reality.
I don't think Rosa Parks agreed with that...
Speaking of Rosa Parks, did you know that Ron Paul voted against giving Rosa Parks a Congressional Gold metal?
He cited that it wasn't specifically mandated in the US constitution.
But for some hypocritical reason, he's ok with spending $8,000,000 of taxpayer money to market wild American shrimp, and he's ok with requesting $400,000,000 in earmarks in 2009 - designating him as one of the largest PORKERS in Washington.
Can any of the libertarian super-pigs at ZH cite the part of the constitution which mandates tax dollars are to be funneled to US shrimp interests? I would prefer to hear from some of the super-pigs who have no canned hams buried in your back yard. Through years of anthropological research, I have found that libertarian super-pigs who live like squirrels typically don't have an opinion worth reading.
There is definitely a "fairness doctrine" in the Constitution. The U.S. seems to spend $700 billion a year promoting and buying foreign products so why not even it up a bit by spending a little chump change on American products? Also, read the Constitutional "Commerce Clause": The clause states that the United States Congress shall have power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"
hitler is a happy troll, today.
There's a brief discussion of the principles behind these moves here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/archive/index.php/t-105651.html?s=4e746189e...
I have no idea if the forum contributors are super-pigs, though.
What an encouraging lead in to invite discussion, Lifo! Labeling those who may have a different point of view from yours "libertarian super-pigs" (3 times, oooh!) is a great way to expand your perspective. You are definitely part of the problem from where I sit. But then again, what am I to you? Another lesser intellect and being. Lol You know, I'm OK with that.
One day the police were in my back yard. I asked them what they were doing. They were looking for someone I had never heard of. The address they were looking for wasn't even on my side of the street. This bothered me a great deal. I told my wife about it and her response was, "We have nothing to hide." That creeped me out soooooo much. We have people walking around with guns in our back yard, pretty much just snooping around (having forced their way through the gate), FOR NO REASON and she was okay with that.
Here is the really scary part. This behavior will get only worse as things get worse.
That’s sooooo American! “We have nothing to hide.” I hear ya, Fish.
You should have asked them if they had a warrant to search your premises. If they said, "Yes," demanded to see it. If they said, "No," ask them, politely, to leave your property and ask for their names and badge numbers.
that may have gotten him shot...
Doubt it. Arrested and detained perhaps. Released without charges shortly thereafter. Big payout down the road. If you won't stand up for the rights you still have don't come here and bemoan the loss of those rights you have already lost.
Probably in your back yard because you post anti establishment messages on ZH. Can't you shoot people trespassers in your yard in America; bacon cozzers or otherwise?
We used to be able to shoot them in the ass with rock salt, but the nanny staters put an end to that.
A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal doctrine arising from English common law[1] that designates one's place of residence (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as one's car or place of work) as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his "castle"), and any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. In a legal context, therefore, use of deadly force which actually results in death may be defended as justifiable homicide under the Castle Doctrine. Castle Doctrines are legislated by state though not all states in the US have a Castle Doctrine law. The term "Make My Day Law" comes from the landmark 1985 Colorado statute that protects people from any criminal charge or civil suit if they use force – including deadly force – against an invader of the home. Colorado isn't well known for heightened crime but it is a well populated state.
Conditions of use
Each state differs with respect to the specific instances in which the Castle Doctrine can be invoked, and what degree of retreat or non-deadly resistance (if any) is required before deadly force can be used.
In general, (one) or a variety of conditions must be met before a person can legally use the Castle Doctrine:
In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home must be there legally, must not be fugitives from the law, must not be using the Castle Doctrine to aid or abet another person in being a fugitive from the law, and must not use deadly force upon an officer of the law or an officer of the peace while they are performing or attempting to perform their legal duties.
Note: the term "home" is used because most states only apply their Castle Doctrine to a place of residence; however, some states extend the protection to other legally-occupied places such as automobiles and places of business.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
That rule or law does not apply to 14th amendment, or Federal citizens, and guess what you are all of the above unless you are a sovereign and I would guess 99.99% of you are not . Nice try though, if you dont belive me try shooting one of them and see what happens
"The only terrorists are our Governments"
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You must not have a dog.
also, in the vast majority of cases, you'd best have western european ancestry ....
It also helps to be dressed well, have a neat, trash-free and well-manicured lawn with a large house in the middle of it.
Might have gotten the dog shot.
Tanks in the streets will wake some up, some will still think it's for their own safety
Most will think it a parade and start waving their flag-on-a-stick and pointing to their flag-on-lapel. "Patriotism is the last refuge........."
+100000
Tanks in the streets will wake some up, MOST will still think it's for their own safety
Fixed it for you.
Women are NESTERS and through eons of evolution seek SAFETY for their families, at least subconsciously relying on their male for safety/security. The whole problem is that society has NEUTERED males into some pseudo female. (Note I did start this with WOMEN and this EXCLUDES feminists)
Apart from the loss of what were constitutionally protected "rights" and the use of 9/11 as a pretext to wage wars in lands and upon people having nothing to do with 9/11 (but full of oil and/or in geographically strategic locations), resulting in the loss of millions (yes, millions) of lives, there has been about a 20 fold increase in expenditures (and profiteering) for anyone involved in the MIC, an arming of domestic law enforcement as if they are storm troopers, the inability to fly from point a to point b without having one's body or their children subject to the textbook definition of molestation, a 400% increase in the national debt in 10 short years (the yearly interest paid on the debt is now larger than the total debt was under Reagan), the growth of the "big daddy-nanny" state so dramatically that nearly 400% more Americans depend on government to EAT, a REAL inemployment rate of closing in on 20%, 300% to 2000% rate of inflation in...well..everything -
- the cherry on top of the friggin' sundae is that college grads in 2011 - get ready, because here it comes:
College Grads Are Getting Paid Less Now Than in 2000Who said we need any "foreign enemy" to take the United States down? Our government and the sheeple united are doing a better job, more efficiently and as quickly as any foreign power or agent could ever dream of accomplishing.
try to tell Dick about this, he will educate you to be a better american, lol.
"Women are NESTERS" - only the ones that are, it's not an absolute.
and the polarity of nesting women is warrior men - this appears to be your point, relative to the "neutered" comment? so your complaint is that the world is short more warriors? more men armed & angry & ready to kill for the narrative?
polarity also means you'll need an equally aggressive "enemy" to complete your story, and of course, this is being fed you daily. . . and not from the "feminists". . .
Pseudo-intellectual gibberish! Take Anthropology 101 or in your case Zoology 101, jackass!
Males are hunters/gatherers through evolution and has nothing to do with the term "warriors". Males protected the women/children from animals and other males who would attempt to take them. WARRIORS is a military term and identifies males who were organized and used by "kings" for his own empire building, all of no benefit to the so-called "warriors".
Where in the hell do you Stuart Smalleys come from?
I'm more likely to take the Philosophy road, but thanks for the stereotype, Hog.
You've internalised your assigned gender role quite well, it appears to be a perfect fit, and will no doubt serve your scripted reality. Not everyone finds that script comfortable, since it involves having a polar opposite in order to justify its existence.
Try this on, if you can: Humans are. They come in multiple flavours, and not necessarily in exact "opposites" - for instance, 1 in 2000 births in amrka are categorised with "ambiguous genitalia" and then "assigned a sex" by their (usually male) doctors, who convince the parents this is essential in order to fit in with their culture - this means they are often surgically altered as infants, then raised "appropriately" to perform - pink/girl/dolls/"nurturing" with the "opposite" being boys/sports/weapons/"warrior" mentality.
And your objection to the "warrior" tag, then saying
would this be when at war? or just a behaviour characteristic of men? is it part of the Man-psyche? who becomes the protector of "women/children" and who the predator? how does this split happen, and to who?
and, for the record "males are hunter/gatherers" is nonsense - whole cultures/societies were characterised as such, not just the ones with external genitals.
Your pomposity is second to none.
Nobody has respected philosophy since it was made obsolete by science. Your ethereal detachment has led you to identify patterns that aren't, and to mock natural phenomena that are.
You seem to favor ideas that are the philosophical basis for cultural marxism, modern liberalism. Gender/race are just social constructs? Nothing's worth fighting for, and even if it was, we're not warriors anyways, right? Guess we just better give up then.
Your screen name is in latin, demonstrating your superiority over us mortals. You should do all of your posts in latin, so we can just marvel at your greatness without absorbing your poison.
Given that the majority of your sentences are addressing me as an individual, and resort to name calling. . . logic fail dude.
you'll have to admit that's a HUGE statement, and cannot possibly be TRUE, under any circumstances, even "scientifically" - I'm sure "scientists" would argue against it - instead of getting angry, try arguing your perspective - you're like a religionist - "I know science is true, and so does everyone else who believes in it! damn you!"
and which patterns are you referring to? which "natural phenomena"? is this your argument for "gender" as being "scientifically" absolute? if so, do some looking into your opinion, because "gender" is not "sex" - and even "sex" is fluid, if you actually care to investigate. "Science" will tell you that hormones vary according to the individual, and influence brain chemistry, therefore behaviours, etc. etc.
and you seem to favour whatever the "opposite" of those accusations might be, lol - see how easy this is? you just pick what you loathe, and assign it! you left out "feminazi" by the way. . .
and yes, I do favour the "gender/race are social constructs" idea, after much observation over time, and having lived in different cultures that have different expectations for "women" - "men" not so much, they have a pretty universal script to play out, don't you think? and yet, no absolutes, there are still "deviant" males who remain true to whatever their inner self dictates, irrespective of social stigma. Do you discount these people? How do they fit within your "natural phenomena" argument? Many cultures have/had "third" genders, accepted and respected within their society. How can that be?
oh FFS, my latin screen name is your SCIENCE name for Turkey Vulture, which if you'll look closely, is my AVATAR dude - it means "golden purifier" - a bird I have great respect for, whose attributes I admire. How are you so angry at even this? By the way, Vultures don't "poison" - but disinfect, and their keen sense of smell can detect bullshit from miles away. . .
white dude on the internet = pinnacle of masculinity
I agree, i have been trying to wake my family up and they think i am crazied, unfortunaly the disaster will come and they will bow down to the motherland, as they head deeper into serfdom
& i've become an outcast in my own family. my adult children tell me that i'm nuts with conspiracy theories, my husband tells me to "get off the damn internet" & my few friends (that i did have) have asked me to stop sending my emails (where i send them links about the evidence i find) . in short, as long as i shut up & know my place i'm just fine.
i had to turn off the t.v. this morning after only ten minutes; i couldn't bare watching anymore. i started crying. when you know the truth, your heart hurts. my heart hurts regarding this matter. when will the indictments come down ? when will the trials for treason come ?
... truth, justice & the American way .
Hang in there, Lynnybee, your validation is coming sooner than later, I believe. This is one of those rare instances where I don't want to be right, but I know I am.
Just to let you know, I feel your pain. I couldn't even turn the TV on this morning. My heart aches, my brain is in turmoil, I feel isolated from friends and family too lost in the fantasy to want to care.
What sustains me is the ability to come here and meet people such as yourself, which helps me realize that, alas, I am not that insane.
I stood through a 90 minute commemeration for 9/11 today with my son (cub scout) and my wife at the local fire station with a reading of the names of the 342 firefighters that lost their lives. It was very tough to stand there knowing the truth and resisting the urge to scream, "Our government murdered them!" Of course being a small town, my family and I would be the local loons of the town. I don't want to put that on my kids. The truth will come out sooner or later, for better or worse.
you will all do yourselves a big favour when you ditch the TV.
I know it's been said over and over, but seriously, that box is a WEAPON you voluntarily put in your homes, a tool for those who control the current storyline to fed you the next episodes.
there is a reason the towers falling, etc. were played repeatedly, 24-7 for days, and nothing else, images play to a different part of your brain, and there IS a reaction to it subliminally. to continue to expose yourself to "noise" that undermines what you know can make you crazy - accept whatever you believe, and strengthen that belief, and you'll feel less "pain."
The images that stuck with me were the people jumping from the windows. They and the other victims merit a day of commemoration, with politics and propaganda left aside. Our human compassion is ultimately what will triumph over the lies and exploitation surrounding this tragedy. We don't need to be political today.
I too saw a documentary that showed these people who jumped, and it has stayed with me as well. We might do their memory more justice if we uncovered the truths, rather than "leave behind" what was essentially a "political / propaganda" event.
I have also seen evidence of the murdered, maimed & horrifically injured humans that were victims after this event, justified by this event. I have compassion for them as well, ongoing - like the wars.
It's not too late to buy a gun.
"It's not too late to buy a gun."
"A gun"? Surely you jest. You better have at least two for each of your family that knows how to use them. If they don't know how to use them, teach them. Not just for TEOTWAWKI either, just common sense.