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September 11: 10 Years Later

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From Mark McHugh of Across The Street

No doubt September 11, 2001 changed everything.  But the business of actually measuring those changes has been as overlooked by most as the nationalities of the hijackers.  The following is presented in the interest of truth, justice and the American way.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

~Benjamin Franklin


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Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:16 | 1656075 spiral_eyes
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It's the cost of the war and the debt acquisition that I find most disturbing. 

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:40 | 1656154 sun tzu
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The cost of the war is disturbing, but it's a drop in the bucket of the deficit. The DOD budget is $650B and war expenditure is $150B. End the war and cut theDOD back to $350B like it was under Clinton and the deficit is still well over $1 trillion. Government spending needs to be cut by 33% across the board to balance the budget. Doing so would also crush the GDP and tax revenues

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:51 | 1656198 spiral_eyes
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A lot of the official figures are, I think, fudged (to put it mildly). The military spending is significantly higher, the war spending significantly higher, and the aggregate effect of interest for past war is far higher than is openly acknowledged. Rather like the CPI. 

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:01 | 1656238 Thomas
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I was very long silver over that decade. I should have also gone long Afghanistan?

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:38 | 1656398 Taku
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Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:44 | 1656630 wanklord
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09/11/2001 = INSIDE JOB
AlQaeda = CIA + Mossad + MI6
WTC 7 (Salomon Brothers Building) = CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

American Populace = Bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:03 | 1656697 clymer
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true that. I know one person who is awake, and he ain't even a close friend.

About 15 minutes of reality-forcing evidence:

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:28 | 1656976 JW n FL
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anyone else have a fucking calculator?

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 18:58 | 1657727 AldousHuxley
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Americans busy being brainwashed by US Media on how many "heroes" were created out of 9/11 and how al queda is the enemy and muslims are bad and US is always good.


9/11 was caused by US FOREIGN POLICY (war for oil)

99% US citizens have nothing to gain from such policies which create enemies abroad .


WHY Bin Laden ordered attacks?

WHY did Bin Laden attack New York instead of other "evil" places?

WHY do rednecks in middle of nowhere Alabama who have never even been out of their town care about what happened in Manhattan?

WHY do farmers in Afghanistan who thinks WTC photos are from Kabul care about US military presence?

WHY does Al Qaeda even exist?

WHY does US CIA arm Saddam and Bin Laden and Pakistan to fight soviet communists, then kill them off later when they no longer support petrodollars?

WHY does US cover up the truth?

WHY does US spend half of the budget on military while laying off your kids teachers?

WHY does US go to war with certain "evil" countries but not others

WHY does US need to invade oil rich countries?

WHY does US need oil?

WHY does US need to control oil?

WHY does US support petrodollar recycling to defend US monetary hegemony?

WHY the media never discuss the real issues?


Because owners of America need Americans brainwashed to fight against the pawns around the world controlled by their respective owners.


FCK 9/11.





Sun, 09/11/2011 - 20:33 | 1658038 Tunga
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Ask why does AldousHuxley continue to shill for his Zionist masters here at ZH? Must be nice to get paid to propagandize. 

Aldous has anyone here ever told you you make a fine tool?

Ya. Thought so. 

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 22:29 | 1658309 AldousHuxley
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What are you talking about? Zionists love 9/11. Gives the world to hate muslims. Gives their WASP neocon friends excuse to steal more oil from middle east to bailout zionist banksters. Gives legitmacy to the puppet western regime sending their own citizens into war for their own profit.


If you don't understand or don't have the brains to think critically about world affairs, you are another pawn in the game of world dominance. I don't blame the mafia's wife for enjoying the fruits of clandestine labor of her husbands' work, but at least she knows where the money comes from.


You put the priority of oil industry, politicians, world elites, media, and war profiteers above your own family's needs, you the the tool whether it be zionist banksters, Bin ladens, Saudis, Bushes, Obamas, etc. Why don't  you tell your sons to go die for my country so my kids don't have to? when they come back alive, I'll be sure to give them a medal.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 22:42 | 1658335 AldousHuxley
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Who doesn't love 9/11?


Bin Laden & Al Queda = mission accomplished; moral boost; payback

Saudis = justification to purchase more US fighter jets

Bushes = national support and opportunity to invade Iraq to put their oil back in dollars instead of Euros

NY government workers's masters(police chiefs, fire fighter chiefs, mayors, etc.) = justification to enhance their pensions

Politicians = justification to spend more of your tax dollars (replacement building isn't free)

Fed & Banksters = justification for more money printing (aka bailing out bad debts) to "support the economy"

Military industrial complex = justification for more tax dollars diverted for war spending instead of domestic improvements such as healthcare, education etc. Because terrorism is higher priority for uneducated farmers' kids in middle of W Virginia than education to improve their livelihood

Oil companies = justification to spend your tax dollars to get more oil for less cost and keep the addiction habit going instead of energy independency

Politicians = justification to have more power for national security; easy to get relected as long as they spend other people's money on 9/11 families and photo-ops

TSA = justification to exist and sexually assault your daugters and grandmothers in public all in the name of "terrorism"

Media = sell more fear and ads while showing you all the stories irrelevant to 90% of Tea Party folks not living in Manhattan and will never even visit it.


So how is your life any better from all the pony and dog show of 9/11?



Mon, 09/12/2011 - 06:46 | 1658837 Tunga
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Apparently a misunderstanding. Thought you were serious when you said "Ask why Bin Ladin ordered 9-11" 

Sorry. Never mind.

Carry on. 

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 00:05 | 1658499 HROLLER
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CIA Whistle Blower Susan Lindauer

Please watch minute 7 and on.....

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 00:27 | 1658539 WeeWilly
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Puhleeze! This woman seems to clearly love the attention and produces no support for her contentions though she says it exists. No way I accept her story without a ton of documentation.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 00:42 | 1658566 onearmedlove
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Did you see the SNF game ?? God made Romo fail Jets Won for NY 9-11. Work will be great on Monday.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:16 | 1657094 Moe Howard
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Opium and heroin - no 1 export.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 17:59 | 1657480 AldousHuxley
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Takes two to tango. Western retards  (especially the greedy bastards on wall st.) are the ones paying for them.


When money is the ultimate goal of your life and country's policies, you will have people sacrificing natural joys (mostly free) to get more money then make up their lack of real life with drugs.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:35 | 1656388 TwelfthVulture
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The official figures are actually pretty spot on.  Nearly, all of the military expenditures are on-budget.  Most congressional districts have a MIC presence, therefore, it behooves the congresscritters to make public the appropriations that are "helping" their constituents.  I would take with heaping handful of salt figures from an organization called the "war resisters leagure."  (Hint: if they are really resisting the wars, they would have no inside information.  Where are they getting their figures, the Joint Chiefs?)  If there is any "fudging" going on, the degree is probably much greater in the off-budget entitlement expenditures.  No prying eyes and all that shit in the shadows.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:52 | 1656652 Pegasus Muse
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How much of the combined National Intelligence budget if off balance sheet?  How many Black Programs are they running? How much do they cost? How much are they offset by illegal drug, classified foreign military sales, money laundering, etc? The rabblit hole runs mighty deep ....

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:04 | 1656512 snowball777
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Not to mention the cost of attempting to care for all the broken soldiers that manage to make it home alive.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:54 | 1656667 Uncle Remus
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Emphasis on attempting.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:25 | 1656964 Hulk
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They are not taking care of the returning soldiers. Families are going broke taking care of and treating their brain injured kids...

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:35 | 1657160 DaveyJones
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You said it. The medical costs for all the injuured (young) soldiers alone will dwarf any of the numbers they claim.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 17:40 | 1657404 TBT or not TBT
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One word: Entitlements

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 00:51 | 1658579 Ag Star
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Most of the cost of war is not even on the books.  And it produces absolutely nothing but misery and waste.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:09 | 1657082 MassDecep
Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:18 | 1656077 Waterfallsparkles
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We lost most of our Constitutional freedoms on 9-11.  Their attack of the Twin Towers accomplished their goals.  They must really laugh at how the American People have to be X-rayed to show them naked.  So, many freedoms lost.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:36 | 1656093 centerline
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Just yesterday, the whole 9/11 thing sparked a conversation in my house. I asked my wife if she was OK giving up freedoms and constitutional rights for safety... if she was OK with living in a police state.  She said "yes" with no hesitation.  Her rationale is that she is a good citizen, therefore she has nothing to fear from a police state.  Needless to say, the conversation ended right there.

The point is, my wife's viewpoint is very typical of the average person.  It is what the mainstream media has done and society has reinforced via herd/groupthink behavior.  And you can't easily deprogram this.  I have tried, and failed, repeatedly.  Only a disaster is going to wake people up.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:42 | 1656158 sun tzu
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Most women are like that. My sister is the same way. That's why 0bama's message of the government taking care of everything resonated better with women. 

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:40 | 1656416 superflyguy
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it's not the pres it's Agenda 21.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:07 | 1656521 snowball777
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You'd know wouldn't ya, bitch.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:20 | 1656710 LetThemEatRand
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It's funny, because Bush was the ultimate pseudo father figure and "protector" of the little American sheep who were scared that their small town in Iowa would be attacked following 9/11.  I remember being in a two story office building in Florida that day and half the staff was scared to death that we were a potential target.  Insane.   Bush/Republicans and Obama/Democrats are just two sides of the same coin.  Unfortunately, the large majority of the population wants what they are selling.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:50 | 1657036 Cathartes Aura
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"most women" you know - let's be honest.

to all of you who have partners that you consider beneath your intellect - perhaps if you spent quality time sharing the information you have with them in a non abusive, non-aggressive way, you MIGHT have a partner on your side.

I've found that when you spend time with people sharing, not brow-beating as a "superiour" you get better results - the  time you spend "here" online could be put to better use in your own home, if it was something important to you.

I know plenty of people, male and female, who haven't a clue about the "state" of amrka, nor the economy, etc. - alienating them with smug monologues is NOT in your best interests in the long run.

and talking down your partner to get internet cred is lame.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 17:24 | 1657345 Dingleberry
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This is why bitchez shouldn't vote.  

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 18:39 | 1657645 Cathartes Aura
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agreed, bitch.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 01:01 | 1658592 Ag Star
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You're why bitchez should have an abortion if that Y chromosone is detected.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:42 | 1656159 WestVillageIdiot
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I can give you the names of a few good divorce lawyers.  Let me know. 

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 18:29 | 1657595 Escapeclaws
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Ah the divorce industry! That should do well in bad economic times, no?

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 18:39 | 1657648 MsCreant
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Not if folks can't sell the house. I know of people who hate each other living together because they are stuck with the house. What is the sense of paying for the divorce if you can't afford to split up?

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 19:54 | 1657914 FeralSerf
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No, it's just changed slightly.  Used to be she got the house.  Now she is being more reasonable and letting him have it.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:42 | 1656160 Manthong
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I don't know.

There has been so much damage to the culture and education in the last forty years that I don’t know if any spanking will be severe enough to bust the average citizen out of their Kumbaya trance enough to accept reality, the danger that they are in, and the effort it is going to take to restore the United States of America.


Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:03 | 1656247 Thomas
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You don't get to "accept reality". It kind of just takes over.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:38 | 1656400 Manthong
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"You don't get to "accept reality". It kind of just takes over."

Certainly true from one perspective, but maybe in other words:

"We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality”

-Ayn Rand

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:10 | 1656722 LetThemEatRand
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Coming from Ayn Rand, that statement is beyond ironic.  It is just pitiful.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:46 | 1656850 LetThemEatRand
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Interesting but not surprising.  Every Randaid drinker I have ever met has one thing in common -- they are narcissists.    Rand managed to construct a world where every selfish desire of the narcissist is not only justified, but to be exalted.  So it is not surprising that she personally worshiped someone who had no guilt about killing another human being.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:56 | 1657048 Cathartes Aura
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"reality" is a perspective, inherent in the individual.

ultimate reality is not a topic of discussion on this blog, and a read of ANY thread will show that even here, "reality" is not an agreed upon concept, merely pockets of similar viewpoints.

we're here, talking about a particular reality.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:39 | 1656412 carbonmutant
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I don't think Rosa Parks agreed with that...

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:37 | 1656818 Libertarians fo...
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Speaking of Rosa Parks, did you know that Ron Paul voted against giving Rosa Parks a Congressional Gold metal? 

He cited that it wasn't specifically mandated in the US constitution.

But for some hypocritical reason, he's ok with spending $8,000,000 of taxpayer money to market wild American shrimp, and he's ok with requesting $400,000,000 in earmarks in 2009 - designating him as one of the largest PORKERS in Washington. 

Can any of the libertarian super-pigs at ZH cite the part of the constitution which mandates tax dollars are to be funneled to US shrimp interests?  I would prefer to hear from some of the super-pigs who have no canned hams buried in your back yard.  Through years of anthropological research, I have found that libertarian super-pigs who live like squirrels typically don't have an opinion worth reading.


Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:54 | 1656874 Stuck on Zero
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There is definitely a "fairness doctrine" in the Constitution.  The U.S. seems to spend $700 billion a year promoting and buying foreign products so why not even it up a bit by spending a little chump change on American products?  Also, read the Constitutional "Commerce Clause":  The clause states that the United States Congress shall have power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"


Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:39 | 1657010 clymer
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hitler is a happy troll, today.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:45 | 1657028 BigJim
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There's a brief discussion of the principles behind these moves here:

I have no idea if the forum contributors are super-pigs, though.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 00:41 | 1658558 WeeWilly
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What an encouraging lead in to invite discussion, Lifo! Labeling those who may have a different point of view from yours "libertarian super-pigs" (3 times, oooh!) is a great way to expand your perspective. You are definitely part of the problem from where I sit. But then again, what am I to you? Another lesser intellect and being. Lol  You know, I'm OK with that.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:44 | 1656169 Fish Gone Bad
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One day the police were in my back yard.  I asked them what they were doing.  They were looking for someone I had never heard of.  The address they were looking for wasn't even on my side of the street.  This bothered me a great deal.  I told my wife about it and her response was, "We have nothing to hide."  That creeped me out soooooo much.  We have people walking around with guns in our back yard, pretty much just snooping around (having forced their way through the gate), FOR NO REASON and she was okay with that.

Here is the really scary part.  This behavior will get only worse as things get worse.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:01 | 1656240 JR
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That’s sooooo American! “We have nothing to hide.” I hear ya, Fish.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:27 | 1656349 TwelfthVulture
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You should have asked them if they had a warrant to search your premises.  If they said, "Yes," demanded to see it.  If they said, "No," ask them, politely, to leave your property and ask for their names and badge numbers.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:44 | 1656432 superflyguy
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that may have gotten him shot...

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:50 | 1656455 TwelfthVulture
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Doubt it.  Arrested and detained perhaps.  Released without charges shortly thereafter.  Big payout down the road.  If you won't stand up for the rights you still have don't come here and bemoan the loss of those rights you have already lost.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:35 | 1656387 TheBadgersSett
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Probably in your back yard because you post anti establishment messages on ZH. Can't you shoot people trespassers in your yard in America; bacon cozzers or otherwise?

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:41 | 1656618 Rodent Freikorps
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We used to be able to shoot them in the ass with rock salt, but the nanny staters put an end to that.


Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:02 | 1656684 Pegasus Muse
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A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal doctrine arising from English common law[1] that designates one's place of residence (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as one's car or place of work) as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his "castle"), and any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. In a legal context, therefore, use of deadly force which actually results in death may be defended as justifiable homicide under the Castle Doctrine. Castle Doctrines are legislated by state though not all states in the US have a Castle Doctrine law. The term "Make My Day Law" comes from the landmark 1985 Colorado statute that protects people from any criminal charge or civil suit if they use force – including deadly force – against an invader of the home. Colorado isn't well known for heightened crime but it is a well populated state.

Conditions of use

Each state differs with respect to the specific instances in which the Castle Doctrine can be invoked, and what degree of retreat or non-deadly resistance (if any) is required before deadly force can be used.

In general, (one) or a variety of conditions must be met before a person can legally use the Castle Doctrine:

  • An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully and/or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business or vehicle.
  • The intruder must be acting illegally—e.g. the Castle Doctrine does not give the right to attack officers of the law acting in the course of their legal duties
  • The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home
  • The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to commit some other felony, such as arson or burglary
  • The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion, or provoked or instigated an intruder to threaten or use deadly force
  • The occupant(s) of the home may be required to attempt to exit the house or otherwise retreat (this is called the "Duty to retreat" and most self-defense statutes referred to as examples of "Castle Doctrine" expressly state that the homeowner has no such duty)

In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home must be there legally, must not be fugitives from the law, must not be using the Castle Doctrine to aid or abet another person in being a fugitive from the law, and must not use deadly force upon an officer of the law or an officer of the peace while they are performing or attempting to perform their legal duties.

Note: the term "home" is used because most states only apply their Castle Doctrine to a place of residence; however, some states extend the protection to other legally-occupied places such as automobiles and places of business.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:41 | 1657183 Abitdodgie
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That rule or law does not apply to 14th amendment, or Federal  citizens, and guess what you are all of the above unless you are a sovereign and I would guess 99.99% of you are not . Nice try though, if you dont belive me try shooting one of them and see what happens 

  "The only terrorists are our Governments"

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 20:15 | 1657974 knukles
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Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:56 | 1656677 TomJoad
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You must not have a dog.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:35 | 1657001 chistletoe
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also, in the vast majority of cases, you'd best have western european ancestry ....


It also helps to be dressed well, have a neat, trash-free and well-manicured lawn with a large house in the middle of it.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:41 | 1657016 Jena
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Might have gotten the dog shot.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:46 | 1656179 prains
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Tanks in the streets will wake some up, some will still think it's for their own safety

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:55 | 1656214 cossack55
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Most will think it a parade and start waving their flag-on-a-stick and pointing to their flag-on-lapel.  "Patriotism is the last refuge........."

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:56 | 1656477 Rick Masters
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Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:24 | 1656337 TwelfthVulture
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Tanks in the streets will wake some up, MOST will still think it's for their own safety


Fixed it for you.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:52 | 1656204 LoneStarHog
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Women are NESTERS and through eons of evolution seek SAFETY for their families, at least subconsciously relying on their male for safety/security.  The whole problem is that society has NEUTERED males into some pseudo female. (Note I did start this with WOMEN and this EXCLUDES feminists)

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:16 | 1656296 TruthInSunshine
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Apart from the loss of what were constitutionally protected "rights" and the use of 9/11 as a pretext to wage wars in lands and upon people having nothing to do with 9/11 (but full of oil and/or in geographically strategic locations), resulting in the loss of millions (yes, millions) of lives, there has been about a 20 fold increase in expenditures (and profiteering) for anyone involved in the MIC, an arming of domestic law enforcement as if they are storm troopers, the inability to fly from point a to point b without having one's body or their children subject to the textbook definition of molestation, a 400% increase in the national debt in 10 short years (the yearly interest  paid on the debt is now larger than the total debt was under Reagan), the growth of the "big daddy-nanny" state so dramatically that nearly 400% more Americans depend on government to EAT, a REAL inemployment rate of closing in on 20%, 300% to 2000% rate of inflation in...well..everything -

- the cherry on top of the friggin' sundae is that college grads in 2011 - get ready, because here it comes:


College Grads Are Getting Paid Less Now Than in 2000


Who said we need any "foreign enemy" to take the United States down? Our government and the sheeple united are doing a better job, more efficiently and as quickly as any foreign power or agent could ever dream of accomplishing.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:26 | 1657118 YesWeKahn
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try to tell Dick about this, he will educate you to be a better american, lol.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:16 | 1657092 Cathartes Aura
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"Women are NESTERS" - only the ones that are, it's not an absolute.

and the polarity of nesting women is warrior men - this appears to be your point, relative to the "neutered" comment?  so your complaint is that the world is short more warriors?  more men armed & angry & ready to kill for the narrative?

polarity also means you'll need an equally aggressive "enemy" to complete your story, and of course, this is being fed you daily. . . and not from the "feminists". . .

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 18:10 | 1657369 LoneStarHog
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Pseudo-intellectual gibberish! Take Anthropology 101 or in your case Zoology 101, jackass!

Males are hunters/gatherers through evolution and has nothing to do with the term "warriors".  Males protected the women/children from animals and other males who would attempt to take them.  WARRIORS is a military term and identifies males who were organized and used by "kings" for his own empire building, all of no benefit to the so-called "warriors".

Where in the hell do you Stuart Smalleys come from?

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 19:05 | 1657749 Cathartes Aura
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I'm more likely to take the Philosophy road, but thanks for the stereotype, Hog.

You've internalised your assigned gender role quite well, it appears to be a perfect fit, and will no doubt serve your scripted reality.  Not everyone finds that script comfortable, since it involves having a polar opposite in order to justify its existence.

Try this on, if you can:  Humans are.  They come in multiple flavours, and not necessarily in exact "opposites" - for instance, 1 in 2000 births in amrka are categorised with "ambiguous genitalia" and then "assigned a sex" by their (usually male) doctors, who convince the parents this is essential in order to fit in with their culture - this means they are often surgically altered as infants, then raised "appropriately" to perform - pink/girl/dolls/"nurturing" with the "opposite" being boys/sports/weapons/"warrior" mentality.

And your objection to the "warrior" tag, then saying

Males protected the women/children from animals and other males who would attempt to take them.

would this be when at war? or just a behaviour characteristic of men? is it part of the Man-psyche? who becomes the protector of "women/children" and who the predator? how does this split happen, and to who?

and, for the record "males are hunter/gatherers" is nonsense - whole cultures/societies were characterised as such, not just the ones with external genitals.



Mon, 09/12/2011 - 00:20 | 1658533 Hive Raid
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Your pomposity is second to none.

Nobody has respected philosophy since it was made obsolete by science. Your ethereal detachment has led you to identify patterns that aren't, and to mock natural phenomena that are.

You seem to favor ideas that are the philosophical basis for cultural marxism, modern liberalism. Gender/race are just social constructs? Nothing's worth fighting for, and even if it was, we're not warriors anyways, right? Guess we just better give up then.

Your screen name is in latin, demonstrating your superiority over us mortals. You should do all of your posts in latin, so we can just marvel at your greatness without absorbing your poison.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 14:51 | 1660544 Cathartes Aura
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Given that the majority of your sentences are addressing me as an individual, and resort to name calling. . . logic fail dude.

Nobody has respected philosophy since it was made obsolete by science.

you'll have to admit that's a HUGE statement, and cannot possibly be TRUE, under any circumstances, even "scientifically" - I'm sure "scientists" would argue against it - instead of getting angry, try arguing your perspective - you're like a religionist - "I know science is true, and so does everyone else who believes in it! damn you!"

Your ethereal detachment has led you to identify patterns that aren't, and to mock natural phenomena that are.

and which patterns are you referring to? which "natural phenomena"? is this your argument for "gender" as being "scientifically" absolute?  if so, do some looking into your opinion, because "gender" is not "sex" - and even "sex" is fluid, if you actually care to investigate.  "Science" will tell you that hormones vary according to the individual, and influence brain chemistry, therefore behaviours, etc. etc.

You seem to favor ideas that are the philosophical basis for cultural marxism, modern liberalism.

and you seem to favour whatever the "opposite" of those accusations might be, lol - see how easy this is? you just pick what you loathe, and assign it! you left out "feminazi" by the way. . .

and yes, I do favour the "gender/race are social constructs" idea, after much observation over time, and having lived in different cultures that have different expectations for "women" - "men" not so much, they have a pretty universal script to play out, don't you think?  and yet, no absolutes, there are still "deviant" males who remain true to whatever their inner self dictates, irrespective of social stigma.  Do you discount these people?  How do they fit within your "natural phenomena" argument?  Many cultures have/had "third" genders, accepted and respected within their society.  How can that be?

Your screen name is in latin, demonstrating your superiority over us mortals.

oh FFS, my latin screen name is your SCIENCE name for Turkey Vulture, which if you'll look closely, is my AVATAR dude - it means "golden purifier" - a bird I have great respect for, whose attributes I admire.  How are you so angry at even this? By the way, Vultures don't "poison" - but disinfect, and their keen sense of smell can detect bullshit from miles away. . .



Sun, 09/11/2011 - 19:08 | 1657770 kekekekekekeke
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white dude on the internet = pinnacle of masculinity

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:05 | 1656255 total nonsense
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I agree, i have been trying to wake my family up and they think i am crazied, unfortunaly the disaster will come and they will bow down to the motherland, as they head deeper into serfdom

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:15 | 1656301 lynnybee
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& i've become an outcast in my own family.   my adult children tell me that i'm nuts with conspiracy theories, my husband tells me to "get off the damn internet" & my few friends (that i did have) have asked me to stop sending my emails (where i send them links about the evidence i find) .     in short, as long as i shut up & know my place i'm just fine.    

i had to turn off the t.v. this morning after only ten minutes; i couldn't  bare watching anymore.   i started crying.   when you know the truth, your heart hurts.    my heart hurts regarding this matter.    when will the indictments come down ?   when will the trials for treason come ?      

... truth, justice & the American way .     

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:54 | 1656467 WonderDawg
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Hang in there, Lynnybee, your validation is coming sooner than later, I believe. This is one of those rare instances where I don't want to be right, but I know I am.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:01 | 1656497 nowhereman
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Just to let you know, I feel your pain.  I couldn't even turn the TV on this morning.  My heart aches, my brain is in turmoil, I feel isolated from friends and family too lost in the fantasy to want to care.

What sustains me is the ability to come here and meet people such as yourself, which helps me realize that, alas, I am not that insane.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:08 | 1657075 Absinthe Minded
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I stood through a 90 minute commemeration for 9/11 today with my son (cub scout) and my wife at the local fire station with a reading of the names of the 342 firefighters that lost their lives. It was very tough to stand there knowing the truth and resisting the urge to scream, "Our government murdered them!" Of course being a small town, my family and I would be the local loons of the town. I don't want to put that on my kids. The truth will come out sooner or later, for better or worse.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:25 | 1657116 Cathartes Aura
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you will all do yourselves a big favour when you ditch the TV.

I know it's been said over and over, but seriously, that box is a WEAPON  you voluntarily put in your homes, a tool for those who control the current storyline to fed you the next episodes.

there is a reason the towers falling, etc. were played repeatedly, 24-7 for days, and nothing else,  images play to a different part of your brain, and there IS a reaction to it subliminally.  to continue to expose yourself to "noise" that undermines what you know can make you crazy - accept whatever you believe, and strengthen that belief, and you'll feel less "pain."

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 18:39 | 1657649 Escapeclaws
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The images that stuck with me were the people jumping from the windows. They and the other victims merit a day of commemoration, with politics and propaganda left aside. Our human compassion is ultimately what will triumph over the lies and exploitation surrounding this tragedy. We don't need to be political today.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 19:13 | 1657783 Cathartes Aura
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I too saw a documentary that showed these people who jumped, and it has stayed with me as well.  We might do their memory more justice if we uncovered the truths, rather than "leave behind" what was essentially a "political / propaganda" event.

I have also seen evidence of the murdered, maimed & horrifically injured humans that were victims after this event, justified by this event.  I have compassion for them as well, ongoing - like the wars.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:37 | 1656608 jd1123
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It's not too late to buy a gun.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:47 | 1657206 Absinthe Minded
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"It's not too late to buy a gun."

"A gun"? Surely you jest. You better have at least two for each of your family that knows how to use them. If they don't know how to use them, teach them. Not just for TEOTWAWKI either, just common sense.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:47 | 1656643 JR
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You’re in good company, lynnybee, with Cicero.

Taylor Caldwell in “A Pillar of Iron” tells the story of the sharp-tongued lawyer, Marcus Tullius Cicero, who fought to save Rome’s democracy against a background of turbulence, war and politics.

In the book, Cicero’s grandfather, Marcus, told him in brief words the things he should know as a young man: “A man owes it to his manhood to be prudent, honorable, frugal and courageous.  The coward is more to be feared that the evil man.  Beware of the mendicant, the dependent. They destroy empires. They will eventually destroy Rome, as they destroyed other nations.

"In our history, there have been times of danger when we needed swift action, unfettered by law.  So we appointed dictators. But we removed temptation by denying them honor and luxuries; and as soon as they had done what they must, we removed their power The day of the dictator is almost upon us again—this time the dictator of prolonged, illimitable power (Julius Caesar). My grandson, it is your duty to hold back these evil men. Remember, it once took only two heroic men, with Horatius, to stand on a bridge and save Rome. Swear by our gods and the name of Rome that no one shall reach her heart and halt it.”

Cicero, “Rome’s angry man,” never forget his grandfather’s words.

You have influenced countless numbers here with your stance, lynnybee.  Hang in there.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:28 | 1656779 anonnn
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Recall Gallileo ?

You might call it Gallileo Syndrome. It is a price paid to acquire knowledge and understanding .

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:09 | 1656919 moonblue
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they are right ..

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:42 | 1657188 lynnybee
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WOW !!!  i got 29 thumbs ups !!!    someone likes me.    thank you, dear people, you made my day .   

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 21:07 | 1658138 Hephasteus
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39. And we don't like ya. We lubs ya.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 18:22 | 1661629 MsCreant
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You sweet!

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 21:27 | 1658177 OrestesPenthilu...
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Now 40

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 18:16 | 1657547 Waterfallsparkles
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My Mother used to say that there would only be Rich people and Poor people.  That was over 50 years ago.  Funny thing I listened to her and worked like crazy to make sure that my Children and Grandchildren would not be the poor people.  I watched what I spent, way below my income and used any money I had to buy Rental Real Estate.

My Mother was right.  And one day you will be right, they just cannot see it now.

Yet, you teach by example.   How did you live your life?  Working for someone else?  Spending below your means?

They may just be following in your footsteps.


Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:11 | 1656281 AmCockerSpaniel
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This like everything else must be balanced.


Taken to the extreme; One will only be FREE FREE FREE, when they are the last one alive. So we need to draw the line some where above that.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:21 | 1656325 TwelfthVulture
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A disaster will only dial up the police state.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:41 | 1657020 chistletoe
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police can only be paid with fiat currency ....


how long do you think a police state will last on that basis??????

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:28 | 1657126 Cathartes Aura
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when it comes down to who eats, and who doesn't - they will be "paid" in food, and there will be full ranks.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:40 | 1656417 Waffen
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This is why women shouldn't have the right to vote. Not kidding.


Women are wonderful and I love them but they have an ingrained tendancy to support safety over all else.  This is the antithesis to liberty.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:16 | 1656553 snowball777
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Neither should you.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:17 | 1656756 Waffen
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I have the founding fathers wisdom on my side.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:21 | 1656567 trav7777
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women support the illusion of safety, not actual safety.  Their actions are guided primarily by emotion which is easy to manipulate.  But, they won't admit their own limitations- never.  They continue to get manipulated again and again to their own detriment and then in trying to enact a societal structure to prevent that, get manipulated AGAIN.

Women are the consummate suckers in the room.  And in fact they like being lied to.  Just tell them they are the prettiest girl in the room; they swallow bullshit and WANT the illusion.  I agree; a person like this has no business voting or participating in decisionmaking at any point, because they will always operate from the perspective of a fairy tale.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:01 | 1656894 LoneStarHog
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Women want the ILLUSION? ... Well ... Can't argue there ... How many women go to Glamor Shots to produce a picture that looks NOTHING like her? ... Man-o-Man ... I do mean NOTHING like her ... She then presents this picture to everyone, especially her male, who has to lie his ass off ... Gawd help the male who would utter the words, "Who Is This?"

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:26 | 1657121 Moe Howard
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My wife did that 10 years ago. I said, hey, I love you, not that fake ass picture. I haven't seen it since.

Women in general want a nanny state. They want government to be "Daddy" in case things go bad.

They need an "ultimate authority" to go to in order to make men "pay".

If they can't get the father of the children to pay, all of us must.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:47 | 1656446 Strike Back
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Your wife is a horrible citizen.  Something so unbelievable is happenening around me that I feel like my head will explode.  Less than 30 years ago, when the U.S. was the symbol of freedom and the USSR was the symbol of tyranny, it was undisputedly a bad thing to live in a police state, to have state censorship, and freedom was the value that all strove for.  How the hell did it come to this?  Everything has been flipped completely on its head and no one seems to notice.  How does a population go from being the protector of freedom to the champion of its demise?

It's not just women.  I have conssitently proven my sister's liberal boyfriend wrong on his completely ignorant economic positions.  He cannot help but acknowledge that I am right, but still feels that "now it's a time for a Caeser.  A strong state is bad from an individual freedom point of view, but I still think its a good idea."  And that's it.  No further explanation.  My father says that people need a strong central state and slavery is the natural state of man.  Again, no furhter explanation.  Both are federal government employees.

Does anyone else get what I am getting at here?  How has everything become so utterly backwards?  How do people live with themselves thinking like this?  Is going against the majority opinion so hard, so painful?

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:50 | 1656654 Rodent Freikorps
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Do you think government run schools might have anything to do with it?

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:30 | 1656802 anonnn
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Ask Galleleo.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:51 | 1656461 bobzibub
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Then ask this:
Can one guarantee that governments who inherit this power over people will not abuse it twenty or thirty years down the road? Would it not be too late to roll back these powers when they are being abused?

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:15 | 1656551 trav7777
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you present her with a false dilemma, therefore who cares what her answer is? The police state DOES NOT provide safety. The safety is an illusion. Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson or whomever said that quote up there was presenting a false dilemma. Those who give up liberty for safety do not actually receive safety in exchange for the ceding of liberty.

I wonder if these idiots think they'd have something to fear from the Stasi or SS?  Police states look like Hitler or Stalin

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:59 | 1656687 Rodent Freikorps
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Police states protect the hell out of the State.

For a time anyway.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:27 | 1656788 centerline
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Excellent point on the false dilemma.  No doubt that is true.  The rub is that this concept is one step (if not several) more in depth.  I think that once a person is willing to really start questioning things, they can be lead pretty easily into understanding what you just said.  The hard part is getting someone to open up and really look at the world.  Sort of like that movie "They Live."  Wish I had a box of those cool glasses to pass around!



Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:37 | 1656601 Hobbleknee
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Show her all the youtube videos of cops beating, killing robbing innocent people. Then go to the airport and let a pedophile from the TSA grope her and your kid's crotch.  That'll change her perspective.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:41 | 1656621 Zero Debt
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Ask your wife, is it OK that the Fed steals money from her family through inflation and makes it harder to survive?

That should make her feel insecure, and rightly so. Might attract the attention!

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:14 | 1656740 I Got Worms
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I feel you, Centerline. I love my wife with all I've got, and she is a world class mother to our son, but she is bonefied sheeple. Anytime I try to discuss any aspect of 9/11, and its implications 10 years later, she counters with "it's so discrepectful to the people that died to point at fringe conspiracty theories." Then the conversation ends. Will not so much as watch a 5 minute you tube video about WTC 7, as it is "disrespectful."  When in reality the MOST disrespectful thing is to NOT take a peak at alternative theories. And that is ditto for the rest of my family and friends. 

You've really got to tip your hat to our propaganda masters - the conditioning of Americans is fucking impenetrable. If it wasn't for this website, I would feel absolutley alone, and am thankful everday for ZH's existence.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:47 | 1656852 centerline
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Same here. Great person, great mother to our kids, etc. - but definately sheeple.  So, part of my responsibility is to protect my sheeple!  LOL.

She will come aound in time - but only because events will force it... not because I beat the programming.  But, what I believe I am doing is laying the groundwork for the programming to be undone when bigger events start to unfold.  I think she will come around pretty quick at that point.  I just hope she can handle it.

One of the most incredible things I see on a regular basis is how social groups reinforce the status quo (or as I more affectionately call them - my wife's idiot friends! ha, ha).  And the tragic irony in it is that it too is mostly an illusion.

Yeah, we are really at a true clusterfuck point in history.  I dont waste much energy anymore trying to open people's eyes though.  Time is running short now I think.  So, I am more concerned about getting my own house (and head) in order.  

ZH is the best for sure.  ZH'rs need go out and get the ZH logo tattooed so we can identify each other at the FEMA camps (I mean Work Centers).

(+1, We honor the fallen by making sure the truth is known.)

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 21:45 | 1658228 OrestesPenthilu...
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Silver doubling in price helps with the deprogramming.  I have been "right" so often now that my wife is listening.  De-programming is a slow, gentle process, as it was with me (us here at ZH as well).  Harsh words and impatience are the enemy here, which is why TPTB have had a hold for so long.  They're patient and determined, and the oddball screaming "It's a conspiracy!!" looks like a fool, even if he's right.

Breaking free of the left / right paradgm and changing to a libertarian financial outlook helped me with my old lady.  It's still in the process, this deprogramming, but it's happening.

Patience.  Determination.  Instruction.  Proof.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:13 | 1657003 Jena
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Sympathies.  It's hard to imagine being married to someone who has a fundamental difference of opinion on such an important topic, I guess regardless of where you stand on it.  That the group here views the loss of freedom as more important than the false gain of safety seems only correct and logical -- and one of those things worth standing up for, even if it means pissing off the spouse.  At least you're in good company where you get green pts.  Small comfort.


edit: the coffee wore off, happens sometimes

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:41 | 1657169 Cathartes Aura
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It's hard to imagine being married to someone who has a fundamental difference of opinion on such an important topic,

seems to be fairly common amongst the ZH lads to choose partners that, according to them, aren't all that bright.

leads to the question, why did you chose this person to breed with?  why on earth would you incredibly smart and rich men deliberately choose someone who is so obviously a drag on the shooting stars that you are?  why would you, ala Travis, lie to them about their appearance and subsequent value to you, when in fact, you don't even like the person?

weird.  but also makes it easier to understand why they ignore most conversations with you, as there is obviously no underlying mutual trust or respect. 

parasite / host victims.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:56 | 1657238 Jena
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Good point.  I wouldn't and didn't.  Life is too short and the fundamentals are too important.  Whoever said that opposites attract probably never had a long-term relationship.  But then, I've been married over 20 years.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 18:26 | 1657582 Sean7k
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Wow, a lot of assumptions there- someone struck a nerve.

My wife is intelligent and has more integrity than anyone I know. Great partner and I appreciate everything about her. 

She was also slow to accept the ramifications of the Elite actions. However, her conservative thought process is rather handy when I'm going 100 mph towards a big mistake. 

I think most of us know our partner's strengths and weaknesses, we may even make a few good jokes, but that dosen't mean we fail to love and cherish them. Hostile emotions emerge in any full time relationship and they vent in surprising places- often where it is safe and unable to hurt a partner's feelings. 

Then, there are the dickheads...

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 19:26 | 1657826 Cathartes Aura
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well Sean7k, you've been around "here" a while, so you've probably read my posts before, they don't really vary much on this topic.

if you think the posts above mine show men who "love and cherish" their partner's "strengths and weaknesses", then we can agree to disagree.

I see this type of bitching 'n' moaning about "women" & "wives" quite often here, and merely wanted to point to the free will of choosing a partner that obviously serves some purpose, but not one that is obvious in the poster's words.

and I still think talking shit about your partner to fit in with the boys online, is hella immature.

(not my junk, by the way)

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 23:04 | 1658387 Sean7k
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I can only speak for myself. I would never disparage my wife on an internet thread ( or anywhere else for that matter), but being male, I have been around men all my life. Men act differently than women. Probably the unease that results from being raised by a mother.

As the eastern philosophers would say: men are raised by god and spend their entire lives attempting to subjugate it. Women are raised by god and must deal with the guilt of having to become the same.

The way we attempt to deal with these relationships is difficult. There is no instruction book. I've heard many women, in conversations with their friends, deprecate men- husbands especially, and it is all very routine. I think it speaks to something very human about us all- we must have a relief valve for the pressures of life. 

Some deal with it much better than others, but since when were people perfect? Ultimately, we all must look our lover in the eyes and find comfort in what we see. Will castigating someone for a few ill chosen words help this process along? 


Mon, 09/12/2011 - 00:29 | 1658543 Cathartes Aura
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Men act differently than women. Probably the unease that results from being raised by a mother.

"men" act differently than "women" because that's how culture expects and socialises them to act - by the way, the word "act" is a hint - actors, role-playing.

as to "being raised by a mother" - not exactly sure what your meaning is here - raised solely by a mother?  as in, father absent?  this is an oft-mentioned excuse for the downfall of amrkn culture, that single mothers can't raise "boys" so there is acting out, etc. etc.  I'm sure you'll expect me to disagree, and I do, as it's case specific IMO - but I'd encourage you to seek out the "tribute" thread yesterday to a ZH contributor who lost his mother.  there are some lovely tributes to mothers from their sons in those posts.

and yes, women also moan about their partner to their friends, and online as well - I was addressing the ZH boys *here* particularly as it's a favourite topic that ends up on these threads.

Will castigating someone for a few ill chosen words help this process along?

here? most likely no, as it's pretty much the same as last year when I often posted similar, heh. . . but perhaps you can understand that occasionally it's good to not follow the herd braying, and offer up a contrary opinion, just in case anyone who's reading might want to consider an alternative perspective. 

that's all I'm doing, presenting a different narrative, so that things don't get too reverent in their uniformity.



Sun, 09/11/2011 - 21:08 | 1658140 I Got Worms
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It's hard to imagine being married to someone who has a fundamental difference of opinion on such an important topic,

Well, some of us weren't born "awake" like you enlightened folks. I was a brainwashed neo-con untll I had an epiphany about 4 years ago.  I had also been married for several years. Wife is a wonderful person, but her conditioning has been tough to crack... but it will happen!

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 00:41 | 1658556 Cathartes Aura
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no one's born "awake" or "enlightened" - for many, myself included, it's a long road of dead ends & frustration & disappointments, until you realise it's a perspective you're entertaining that is not doing you any good, in fact is quite uncomfortable, and ultimately to get some peace in your mind, you just allow the truth of your reality to be made more apparent.

obviously I speak only for myself on this - but I can say, the more I let go the illusions I was taught, the more I enjoy my own, and others, company - the motivation is discomfort, ha.

grats on your epiphany by the way, all else follows. . . the fact that you choose to find information *here* is proof that you're more interested in truths than mainstream newsiness.  labels (like "neo-con") are like little packages we try to fit into in order to be recognised by others. . . so limiting though - thank goodness we can always change!

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 13:27 | 1660141 Jena
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Well, some of us weren't born "awake" like you enlightened folks.


It wasn't my point to sound especially enlightened or superior.  Instead, I was making the case that ideally, one's spouse is the person with whom you are able to discuss the most fundamental of subjects and hopefully, come out on the same side.  The positions we find ourselves in today are becoming so dire that if we aren't on the same page, it's just one big damn struggle that I don't wish on anyone.  

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:27 | 1656098 LawsofPhysics
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I would argue that the U.S. was undermined as a country with the Federal Reserve Act.  Since most people in the U.S. didn't even have "constitutional freedoms" until much later anyway, their industrial "education" to become sheep was already complete when they did lose what was left of these "freedoms" on 9/11.  There are sustainable solutions.  We can either recognize these solutions of our own accord in an orderly manner, or they will be forced upon us.  The kleptocrats could give two shits either way, after all, they already stole most of the "wealth" anyway.  They travel by private jet and avoid things like "scanners" altogether.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:39 | 1656151 Captain Benny
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The real shame is that many Americans choose that path at the airport, believe they have no choice to opt out, or would rather a naked picture be taken than be gropped by an underqualified human being with the letters TSA sewn into their uniform.  In today's modern age, an American cannot claim to be free unless he has both the will and force to enable that freedom.  Whether it be through monetary means that survive dollar debasement (gold, silver, maybe some forex if you're agile) or through a weapon to force the government's submittal, you are not free unless you fight for yourself.

When I say weapon, I mean that in a broad way.  It could be your fist knocking the teeth out of a TSA agent, your words on a blog, a cane (which by the way, you can take past TSA checkpoints), a knife, or even a firearm.  If you do not have more than one of these devices and the will to use it when appropriate, then you are probably not free.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:01 | 1656237 Frank N. Beans
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i recently opted out of the full-body x-ray at the airport a couple times, to avoid the radiation, but after the last TSA guy groped me right up to my balls, and hard, i decided to hell with it, next time i'm going thru the x-ray.  fuck em

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:05 | 1656256 Thomas
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I went through the scanner and got my crotch groped, so maybe we should just Go for Grope.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:46 | 1656439 Waffen
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They dont like groping people. The only way to "fuck em" is to force them to grope you.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:24 | 1656575 trav7777
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i always opt out. fuck them and their Xrays

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:05 | 1656906 I Got Worms
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I was flying out of Salt Lake City to Austin 2 weeks ago with my pregnant wife and 2 year old. Fly a lot, but have never encountered TSA, to date. Have always gotten through with no fanfare. I was in line behind my family to make sure they didn't get diverted to the body scanner. They didn't, but as I was walking toward the regular x-ray, my arm was grabbed and i was asked to go through the body scanner line. I politely said I wouldn't go through it, and the bull-dyke looking TSA agent started yelling MALE OPT OUT! MALE OPT OUT!

I didn't mind, as I have been curious to see what all the hubub i hear about was. So I get felt up by some Jersey Shore looking punk 20-something with spikey hair, and he then runs a swab over my shirt and into a machine - it came back positive for "explosive residue"!! Fucking hell, for the past 4 days, i had done nothing but lay out at the resort pool, do a little hiking, reading and sleeping. How the fuck did I test postive? Fact is, I didn't, those machines are just a pretext for further humiliation/inconvenience.  So because of the explosive residue, i had to go to a private room and disrobe to my drawers. In there, I was joined by another TSA agent who was a chromosome away from a silverback gorilla, and they got to take apart my camera, take everything out of my wallet, and all my clothes from my suitcase. Finding nothing, I was free to go.

Then, an hour later as I was boarding my flight and scanning my boarding pass, a TSA agent pulled me aside again and took my son's Thomas the Train suitcase from me to take apart. I have no doubt that I was flagged for refusing the body scanner, and TSA was determined to inconvenience me as much as possible. Fuck em. I'll never go through that scanner anyway, and I'm just about done with flying period, unless I have to for work.

If my wife was on board, I'd be preparing to GTFO of this country ASAP. She's not, so I do my best to make do, and protect the family.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 04:50 | 1658771 BorisTheBlade
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Every time they search someone manually, it costs TSA more than funneling through the scanner, besides it renders scanners useless, so it costs twice as much. Hence all this inconvenience for anyone trying to opt-out. I'm sure they got informal instructions to harass anyone who decides to inconvenience them, but on the other hand half an hour or even hour is a temporary inconvenience compared to possible long-term health effects, which are yet to be properly studied:

The majority of [the scanners'] energy is delivered to the skin and the underlying tissue. Thus, while the dose would be safe if it were distributed throughout the volume of the entire body, the dose to the skin may be dangerously high. The X-ray dose from these devices has often been compared in the media to the cosmic ray exposure inherent to airplane travel or that of a chest X-ray. However, this comparison is very misleading: both the air travel cosmic ray exposure and chest X- rays have much higher X-ray energies and the health consequences are appropriately understood in terms of the whole body volume dose. In contrast, these new airport scanners are largely depositing their energy into the skin and immediately adjacent tissue, and since this is such a small fraction of body weight/vol, possibly by one to two orders of magnitude, the real dose to the skin is now high. In addition, it appears that real independent safety data do not exist. A search, ultimately finding top FDA radiation physics staff, suggests that the relevant radiation quantity, the Flux [photons per unit area and time (because this is a scanning device)] has not been characterized. Instead an indirect test (Air Kerma) was made that emphasized the whole body exposure value, and thus it appears that the danger is low when compared to cosmic rays during airplane travel and a chest X-ray dose.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:39 | 1656615 jd1123
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Same thing happened to me. The guy asked if i was sensitive anywhere on my body. I told him, loudly, that my privates are sensitive. he didn't even try to grab deez nuts.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 14:22 | 1656770 Confused
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Did you ask for a rape kit? 


fuck them. Always opt out. But tell them, you touch my balls, you get a punch in the face. 

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:43 | 1656628 monoloco
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Osama Bin Laden was a genius for recognizing that a handfull of men with box cutters would spur the goverment of the United States to send another 6000+ of it's citizens to their deaths and crush our economy under the burden of trillions of dollars in borrowed money in an orgy of overreaction.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:44 | 1657197 DaveyJones
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please explain to us how he overcame the enitre US defense system, NORAD, and made buildings collapse into their own footprint unlike any other in history.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:25 | 1656088 Stack Trace
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While I am no truther I find the official story incredibly difficult to believe. The lack of transparency and access to the remains of the towers after the events is disconcerting. The push to Iraq also equally baffling.

I find these ceremonies and remembrances painful because they act as cover and distractions for the enormous crimes that most assuredly have been committed.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:28 | 1656099 I Got Worms
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Hate to break it to you Stack, but that makes you a truther. Welcome!

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:28 | 1656103 King_of_simpletons
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You are not alone in that thinking.  The theatrics surrounding a solemn ceremony is disgusting.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:47 | 1656178 WestVillageIdiot
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Are you trying to tell me that the naval ship that is parked outside the financial district right now is ridiculous theatre?  How about the unbelievable police presence today?  The overtime must be good for the unionites.  I just wonder if they still hate us for "our freedoms".  I will ponder that the next time the Port Authority cops go through my bag to search my dirty Tupperware that I am carrying home from my lunch. 

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:06 | 1656257 Ricky Bobby
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What about the hook up with the NFL. The pomp, pageantry, and pride as the Stealth’s fly over the stadium and the announcer calls for the fans to cheer our brave men and women serving to protect our freedoms.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:59 | 1656490 RiverRoad
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Bread and circuses....

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 13:12 | 1656541 snowball777
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Faux Triumphus.

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