September 23: The Beginning Of The End For Merkel... And The Eurozone?

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Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:09 | 1609690 Mongo
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Good riddance

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:14 | 1609698 dogbreath
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yup  the sooner the better

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:15 | 1609703 Josh Randall
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Out with the B!tch, Bitchez!

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:03 | 1609803 russki standart
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Disagree. Merkel will survive and Germany will bail out the other european countries one more time. Thereafter, it is over since the resultant debts will overwhelm the system. 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:49 | 1609913 spiral_eyes
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Does anyone remember what happened the last time Germany were forced into pledging vast amounts of cash (or “reparations”) to other European nations? No?

It wasn’t pretty.

Hitler, bitchez 

http://azizonomics.com/2011/08/28/the-death-of-the-euro-in-2011/

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 19:26 | 1610285 eisley79
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O RLY?

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 21:25 | 1610522 cynicalskeptic
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The German people are acutely aware of their past history.  They will not allow a repeat.  Germany overcame much to rebuild - after WWII and after reunification.  Its people went throught much and they do not wish to lose what they now have.

Americans, on the other hand, are all too oblivious to their own history and - being blunt- are rather spoiled.  They have lived far beyond their means for some time and resent the intrusion of reality into their sheltered lives.  The US populace has already tolerated (barely questioned) marked limitations on their rights and liberties.  They have already gone to war on false pretenses and violated international law on many levels without any serious debate on those actions much less legal accountability. Some have openly voiced their support for military action against countries with oil reserves if it guaranteed the cheap gasoline they have grown accustomed to. A growing extremist faction has enthusisatically supported leaders who  blame others for their problems and promise a return to ''better times' taking the name of Jesus on a regular basis in doing so -  Sinclair Lewis' "wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross"personified.  With a middle class terrified of losing the little they have accumulated and an economic melt-down guaranteed to make their situation even more perilous, and a corporate owned media that keeps the public dumb and uninformed, the US is ripe for a 'strong leader' who promises everything - in exchange only for a national committment to his cause and unquestioned support from the populace.

 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 23:06 | 1610729 spiral_eyes
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I concur.

I still think shoehorning Germany into paying for the PIIGS is a very, very bad idea though. They are a proud and dignified people. They shouldn't have to clean up everyone else's mess. I see the geldmark on the horizon... 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:15 | 1609701 Joebloinvestor
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The beginning of the end started when the EU refused to implement its' own bylaws and refused to boot or suspend Greece.

Showed the investing world that EU whims meant more then bylaws.

 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:18 | 1609707 Sudden Debt
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She'll bend like a figure scater and fuck the rest of Europe like a nympho.

It will happen.

Look at what's happening in Greece last week, not many noticed but the 2 biggest banks already merged.

What we will start to see from this point on it more mergers all over Europe UNTILL WE GET ON BIG ASS BANK that is under control of the Oliargs.

 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:43 | 1609757 rbsx
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You forget, the rest of Europe deserves to get fvcked for their poor decision making.l

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:06 | 1609810 Sudden Debt
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what decision making?

 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:23 | 1609849 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ha ha!  So true our Belgian friend!  Made my afternoon!

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 22:50 | 1610687 StychoKiller
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Speaking of which, what news re:  Belgian Govt?

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:51 | 1609916 Snidley Whipsnae
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rbsx...

Govs, all govs, put off decisions as long as possible. This is done in the hope that the problem goes away, or resolves itself, so that no decision is necessary.

When a decision absolutely, unavoidably, has to be made we get a cluster flock like we witnessed with the 'debt ceiling debacle'...

The pols abhore decision making... it interferes with their T times and reelection bids...

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:08 | 1609814 disabledvet
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but who's gonna run this "mystical meglomaniacal mega bank?" the nympho figure skaters? .... Possibly. It'll have to be one of those "behind the scenes" things though. I don't think we'll want them "running to the Euro Congress" demanding "further bailouts of the Olympic Committee" however. People might actually pay attention and agree.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:31 | 1609869 oldman
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obama

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 18:41 | 1610141 Problem Is
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Obama Bin Lyin'

Barry Soetoro is on the run as the Wall Street Owned Puppet watches the Bankster class implode what is left of the real economy and prepare to pay themselves huge $144 Billion bonuses (More than 1% of GDP) with taxpayer loot again...

CREEP 2012: Committee to RE-Elect the President
The mobs of unemployed, foreclosed on and hungry will man the pitchfork and torch brigades and go after the Bullshit Barry Campaign Bus...

Town hall teleprompter hilarity will ensue...

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 21:35 | 1610541 sun tzu
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Barry's Chicago mob union goons will keep them away. Pitchforks and torches are no match for guns and knives

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:42 | 1609891 Fuh Querada
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@ sudden debt

Great. Can you provide a cartoon to illustrate your hypotheses?

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 18:20 | 1610095 snowball777
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I'm trademarking that. Big Ass Bank : "We've Got Money...Out the Ass". We'll use Beyonce for the ads.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 22:57 | 1610701 James
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And Beyonces ass is about to get bigger.

She's pregnant.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 23:29 | 1610777 Real Estate Geek
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I always knew that there was a fat girl in there crying to get out.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:19 | 1609709 props2009
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Lots of charts on US, EU and China. Perfect sunday read before trading begins.

http://capital3x.com/?p=439

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:22 | 1609718 Transitory Disi...
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Something to add to the mix....... 7 Reasons This September Should Scare the Crap Out Of You

http://globalmarkets.anyoption.com/7-reasons-september-should-scare-the-...

 

 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:23 | 1609719 mfoste1
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women have proven they should not be involved in politics.....

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:31 | 1609738 SILVER_GIRL
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well... man really proved they should be in politics... we can see very clearly the state of things... ha ha

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 19:30 | 1610302 eisley79
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lol, funny but

dont fall for his tricks.  He just wanted to see if there were any girls posting on zero hedge, so he can creep their profiles.  ROFL

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:43 | 1609756 Thomas
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Yeah. The guys did a peachy job.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:47 | 1609765 Shylockracy
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Mörkel can hardly be classed a human being, let alone a woman; a soulless apparatchik puppet is more like it.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 22:54 | 1610696 CompassionateFascist
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That's right. An East German.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:49 | 1609766 WVO Biker
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Which is the cheapest way out of this for Germany?

Germany is finished and we now need Eurobonds and an end to sovereignity, rather there must be a European government and a new united European state. The german sheeples that are opposed to this don't take to the street in any numbers, the others don't understand the implications or don't care. The situation can no longer be turned back at this point.

Tschüss, Deutschland. I will be happy to be a European.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:12 | 1609822 delacroix
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nuke brussels?

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:26 | 1609861 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ WVO, we'll be watching.  You provide an interesting take.  Touché!

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 22:04 | 1610594 disabledvet
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Start with Poland. Stay close with the Americans this time.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:40 | 1609888 Shocker
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No one inspires to be in Politics

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 23:01 | 1610716 James
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Nor do they aspire too

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 18:39 | 1610145 Problem Is
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"women have proven they should not be involved in politics....."

You mean ball less eunuchs like Shark-ozy and
Obama Bin Lyin' ??

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:28 | 1609728 Smithovsky
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Does anyone have a good opinion on how far down the EDX will go once it finally dawns on the market that this single-currency experiment has failed? 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:30 | 1609735 Greed
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The foreign view on german politics is often interesting, but sometimes lacks the necessary understanding of the political culture.

As you might know, renegades are a very seldom species in the Reichstag. In fact it is common to articulate differing oppinions before a poll, but extremely rare to vote against the own party once the time has come. It will be the same this time.

Anyhow, please do not forget the fact that the opposition is on course to back Mrs. Merkels position, even if it is just because they cant sport any alternative. There are no votes to be won for the opposition by blocking the EFSF. 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:51 | 1609773 Gunther
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Normally the German MP's vote party line - no question. This time I am not so sure, they must have heard unpleasant things from the voters in their ridings.

Voting to guarantee money amounting to almost one year of federal budget is something to question party line more then usual.

Moreover, the opposition states that they want monetary union and the like but will NOT let the opportunity go to get the Merkel government out of power.

 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:11 | 1609825 disabledvet
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At least in the USA they fund an actual and existing federal government before they agree to bankrupting the individual states. Indeed--the composite states have no voice in this process. Why any state in Europe would agree to bankrupt itself for a chance to climb "the Misty Mountain" is beyond me.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:56 | 1609926 drider
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The Germans have done crazier things in the past including setting off to conquer the world.

Anyway, the reality is that if you want to lead you have to take risks (and yes even debts). 

Look in the future for signs of Americans increasingly withdrawing from global geopolitical affairs... 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 22:07 | 1610604 disabledvet
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As we collapse at home we do the exact opposite abroad. Wait till we blame our debt on all of you! Then you'll see our ANGRY face!

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:02 | 1609798 Jack Sheet
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The Greens, who are likely to get over 20% of the votes in the next German general election in 2012, love that warm fuzzy feeling that comes from solidarity with, and bailouts of,  the  brothers and sisters in the southern EU, and their voters (still)  have high enough incomes to support this laudable moral stance. The SPD has come out strongly in favor of Eurobonds, if only out of principle to counter Murkle. The FDP has become peculiarly silent after strongly opposing the bailouts, mainly because they may not even get the 5% of votes necessary to stay in the Bundestag in 2012. The normal citizen doesn't know dick about all the economic stuff (just like anywhere else), and couldn't tell a Eurobond from a bondage video. So whether Murkle stays or goes, it will make no difference.

 

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:46 | 1609903 Larry Darrell
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"The normal citizen doesn't know dick about all the economic stuff (just like anywhere else), and couldn't tell a Eurobond from a bondage video."

They will learn the difference in time.

With the video, they watch someone else enjoy getting abused.

With the bonds, they will not enjoy getting abused themselves.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 17:11 | 1609948 scratch_and_sniff
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 I would go even further, if she goes, the socialists come into the frame, and then if they dont play ball its even better again for the Euro, as Germany are the only ones procrastinating about the Eurobond, when really, they aren’t needed. Even without Germany, the combined size of the Eurobond market would be bigger than Japans and only marginally smaller than the US. Germany would be left out in the cold again, the WCS for them, and the only reason the Eurozone was started in the first place. So, pinning the future of the entire Eurozone on Merkle convincing her right-wingers to fund the south is a moot point. Just another chapter in the "Euro about to collapse any second now, any second..." freak show. It wont be pretty, but it will just be another hurdle to get over; people underestimate how far the Euro has come and how much effort that has been put into it, that’s one thing the bears cant get their heads around.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:33 | 1609740 Religion Explained
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Nah, you don't have to wait till Sep 23. When the German court decides on the legality of the past bailouts on Sep 7th, that's when the fireworks start and you better not get caught long.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 15:54 | 1609786 Jack Sheet
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The court is fixed.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 16:14 | 1609793 Shylockracy
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Exactly my thoughts, but you may recall that the Bundesverfassungsgericht is a political court whose judges are appointed by the parties. Its single purpose is to maintain the status quo, so it is very unlikely they would rock the boat with anything as démodé, ideologically repellent and politically incorrect as an affirmation of the German people's right to self-determination, or the German state's  sovereignity.  The BvG is ideologically committed to the progressive dissolution of the German state and nation in the European sulphuric cauldron.

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