As The Shadow Banking System Imploded In Q2, Bernanke's Choice Has Been Made For Him

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With the FOMC meeting currently in full swing, speculation is rampant what will be announced tomorrow at 2:15 pm, with the market exhibiting its now traditional schizophrenic mood swings of either pricing in QE 6.66, or, alternatively, the apocalypse, with furious speed. And while many are convinced that at least the "Twist" is already guaranteed, as is an IOER cut, per Goldman's "predictions" and possibly something bigger, as per David Rosenberg who thinks that an effective announcement would have to truly shock the market to the upside, the truth is that the Chairman's hands are very much tied. Because, all rhetoric and political posturing aside, at the very bottom it is and has always been a money problem. Specifically, one of "credit money." Which brings us to the topic of this post. When the Fed released its quarterly Z.1 statement last week, the headlines predictably, as they always do, focused primarily on the fluctuations in household net worth (which is nothing but a proxy for the stock market now that housing is a constant drag to net worth) and to a lesser extent, household credit. Yet the one item that is always ignored, is what is by and far the most important data in the Z.1, and what the Fed apparatchiks spend days poring over, namely the update on the liabilities held in the all important shadow banking system. And with the data confirming that the shadow banking system declined by $278 billion in Q2, the most since Q2 2010, it is pretty clear that Bernanke's choice has already been made for him. Because with D.C. in total fiscal stimulus hiatus, in order to offset the continuing collapse in credit at the financial level, the Fed will have no choice but to proceed with not only curve flattening (to the detriment of America's TBTF banks whose stock prices certainly reflect what a complete Twist-induced flattening of the 2s10s implies) but offsetting the ongoing implosion in the all too critical, yet increasingly smaller, shadow banking system. And without credit growth, at either the commercial bank, the shadow bank or the sovereign level, one can kiss GDP growth, and hence employment, and Obama's second term goodbye.

As the two charts below demonstrate, the economy's ongoing inability to create any growth in the shadow banking system, primarily as a result of the complete shut down of the securitization machine, has been and continues to be, the biggest threat to the Fed. Specifically, after hitting an all time high of $20.9 trillion in March of 2008, this all too critical source of "credit money" has collapsed by a whopping 25%: since the peak $5.5 trillion of credit, and not just any credit, but shadow, and thus non-regulated credit, has evaporated! And as Q2 demonstrated, after almost bottoming in Q1 following a decline of just $57 billion, or the smallest Q/Q decline since Q2 2008, the drop has picked up again, with a one year high $278 billion plunge in Q2.

Among the liability components of the Shadow Banking system's credit money abstractions, we look at:

  • Money Market Mutual Funds: at $2.6 trillion, a decline of $41.6 billion Q/Q
  • GSE and Agency Paper: at $6.5 trillion, a decline of $73.8 billion Q/Q
  • ABS Issuers At $2.2 trillion, a decline of $80.4 billion Q/Q
  • Repos at $1.2 trillion, a decline of $49 billion Q/Q
  • Open Market Paper at $1.1 trillion, a decline of $50 billion Q/Q
  • and these declines were offset by a tiny increase of $17 billion to $726 billion at Funding Corporations

Altogether, added across this amounts to a massive $278 billion in the second quarter, and explains why GDP, when the manipulation from the Census Bureau is eliminated would have probably declined. What is worse is that should this decline continue without an offset, there will be no economic growth guaranteed.

So where can said offset come from? Well, just as there is a shadow banking system, so there is a traditional commercial bank system with listed liabilities. To be sure, for the duration of collapse in the shadow banking system, this has been the only offset, although granted one that is not nearly doing a good enough job. Specifically, total liabilities of Commercial Banks in Q2 were $13.4 trillion, an increase of $238 billion in the quarter. Alas, this is nowhere near enough to offset the decline in Shadow Banking, having grown by "only" $2.6 trillion since Q2 2008, even as shadow liabilities declined by double this amount. Yet there was a brief saving grace came in Q1 when the spike in Traditional liabilities more than offset the drop in Shadow, as the cumulative total rose by $337 billion, the most since 2008. Too bad, however, that adding across these two categories (second chart below), we once again witnessed a decline in Q2, amounting to $40.1 billion. This explains not only why QE2 could only do so much, but why GDP growth has rolled over and is now almost certainly negative.

What is most important to keep in mind, is that Traditional Commercial Bank assets only grow courtesy of QE. And with Shadow banking continuing to implode, Commercial Banks have to pick up the slack or else... Which in turn means Bernanke has to keep pumping reserves. Whether banks use these to lend out, or to buy shares of Netflix is irrelevant: remember - America, and the entire developed world, is a credit driven system. Take away credit growth and it is game over.

Which explains why tomorrow's decision is a formality: Bernanke has no choice but to continue offsetting the relentless contraction in shadow liabilities, which as of Q2 collapsed at an annualized rate of over $1 trillion. Incidentally this, +$1, is the very minimum that Bernanke will have to bring into reserve circulation to offset the relentless deleveraging of the once biggest contributor to American growth, which ironically is now the biggest adverse factor.

That reversion to the mean sure can be a bitch.

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Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:34 | 1689610 SheepDog-One
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'The Chairsatans hands are tied'...OK when can we start beating him with the phone books?

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:37 | 1689831 Cliff Claven Cheers
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This illustrates the shrinking money supply and Ben has to keep printing to offset that, hence the 2% inflation goal.  So when do we get the Hyperinflation with so much debt destruction i.e. write offs?

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:03 | 1689941 nope-1004
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Are you still convinced of no QE3 SheepD1?

Greenspan showed up this morning "to get a haricut", LOL.   Wonder why Greenspan is needed?  Is Bernanke stuck?  Stupid?  Unsure?  Lacking in confidence / aptitude / fortitude / all the above?

Or... could it be that they need assistance on "how to".

LOL.  QE forever.

 

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:14 | 1689980 Troll Magnet
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Hmm..My money supply keeps dwindling, too, but my stacks keep rising.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:05 | 1690264 kito
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well if your stacks keep rising, and i assume they arent stacks of checkbooks, then id say your money is in fact growing. 

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:14 | 1689985 SheepDog-One
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Yea I say Bernank disappoints. 

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:13 | 1690147 max2205
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Fuck the consumer/saver and the consumer/saver fucks you back. Plus those that choose to retire thereby starving the beast of tax revenue.

Starve the beast....

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:20 | 1690161 equity_momo
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I like your spirit but ultimately MOST consumer/savers are able to retire for the simple fact of the beast existing. We've all done far better due to the system than we would like to admit but "Lord of the flies" moment is arriving and those that feel they've paid in too much will revolt bringing with it the collapse. So the question is , are you ready? Can you exist without big brother ? ZH has more than its fair share who probably can.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:47 | 1690226 decon
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I agree with you SD1, but I also don't disagree with Tyler's case, it's just that the political mood/climate won't support it right now.  It'll come eventually and probably not that far off because it's the least painful response for the Fed's handlers.  It wouldn't surprise me if Ben gets sacked and his replacement makes the moves.  Either way I'm locked and loaded.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:07 | 1690267 Hephasteus
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"Or... could it be that they need assistance on "how to"."

 

Bernanke can do it. Power to the Ponzi. Keep Big Pharma Dope Alive!!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:58 | 1690244 UBIGDummy
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Since I am a dummy too.

Can some of you translate this for me. 

QE3 Op twist or whatever its called to be announced tommorow, UP arrow

The peeps who think its not happening DOWN ARROW

have a nice day;)

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 20:20 | 1953166 WhiteNight123129
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We won´t get hyperinflation unless Bernanke decides that the checks should stop clearing.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:42 | 1689854 trav7777
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the author doesn't ever examine or ask WHY that credit picked this particular time to peak or how or why credit would come into existence.

The future is one of contraction...aggregate economic activity is CONTRACTING because the energy supply underpinning all activity is contracting.  Why in hell would credit grow?  This is not a monetary problem; the monetary effects are a symptom.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:47 | 1689879 TruthInSunshine
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Energy supply is contracting because given a choice between liquidating any inherently valuable asset by selling it and converting it to fiatski of any denomination with a painful future (thanks to The Bernanks & Trichets - and PBOCs of the world), or keeping it in the ground (where it's as safe as can be and actually has a real extraction cost), the choice is an easy one.

The Bernank broke global markets.

The Pain Train Express cometh.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:27 | 1690026 trav7777
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nonsense...C&C peaked prior to the onset of the credit crisis which began due to the supply/demand imbalance on world oil markets.

Energy supply is contracting because that's what energy supply DOES once a well/field/nation/earth peaks

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:49 | 1690090 M.B. Drapier
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Without getting too far into the energy question ... do you accept that after total US, and world, (public + private) debt ripped up much faster than GDP for several years, a sharp reversal and return to more normal debt-to-wealth levels was inevitable at some point, for some reason, no matter what happened to energy?

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:58 | 1690109 equity_momo
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The reason debt to GDP levels spiked was purely because of the energy conundrum we face. We print to grow but REAL growth is due to cheap energy production. We are running out of cheap energy production and ow watch the consequences unfold. A contracting economy

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:14 | 1690150 equity_momo
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And whomever doesn't like that fact is going to go through life as a misguided, ignorant and ultimately poor individual. So buckle up.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:54 | 1690242 mkkby
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Trav, you may be right.  But to be so emphatic implies confusing correlation with causation. 

MAYBE we had peak oil in 05.  Maybe we just had peak debt, or peak loose credit criteria.  Combined with very high oil prices.  There's really no way to prove peak productio was hit, because you can't separate out the effect of demand destruction from recession and the price of the commodity itself.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:35 | 1690333 equity_momo
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Empirically , population , oil production and credit have all had near identical parabolas. The necessity for each to grow exponentially relies on the other two to also grow exponentially. It's really that simple.And that's without the soil/agri issue to feed us all. But those first 3 are linked like triplets with superglue.
Oil production has stopped growing exponentially. Watch credit and then population plateau and ultimately decline next.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:26 | 1690025 Tuco Benedicto ...
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No, demand for energy contracts in a deflationary environment.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:27 | 1690028 trav7777
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JFC...contracting energy supply IS a deflationary environment!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:28 | 1690175 Mashuri
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Priced in a stable currency, like gold, crude is really cheap. Your argument doesn't hold up: Click to see chart

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:01 | 1689938 mick_richfield
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when can we start beating him with the phone books?

 

With the what?

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:17 | 1689995 LongBallsShortBrains
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'The Chairsatans hands are tied'...OK when can we start beating him with the phone books?

I was thinking golf clubs!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:36 | 1690052 AustriAnnie
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Can we beat him with .999 pure gold bars instead?  Phone books are just paper.  Bernanke likes paper.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:45 | 1690210 Panafrican Funk...
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In a fractional reserve system, growth of debt is the only way to grow.  This has been true since the concept was invented.  Real growth is impossible in a credit contraction, hence, the only way to "hide the bleeding" is nominal growth (achieved through currency devaluation).  This is why physical gold is so strongly advocated here, because it's the only investment that is guaranteed not to lose real value relative to real growth.

I know this information is obvious and basically a reiteration of this post, but I think the concept still gets lost if you're not focused and paying attention (and/or are relatively new to this).  

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 19:39 | 1690486 Blank Reg
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OOO! We could feed Benny to Komodo dragons! Could we? Please?

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 20:51 | 1690645 Bringin It
Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:36 | 1689616 Ancona
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Bring it on Berspanky, I need my silver to be at 150.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:41 | 1689633 SheepDog-One
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Just more speculation based upon charts...one thing about the article is right that is Bernank's hands are tied, but not like the article describes...the dollar, oil, PM's, bonds, public disaproval against 'bailouts' in an election year, all those are whats really tying Bernanks hands. Its not 2009 with plenty of wiggle room anymore.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:45 | 1689655 JW n FL
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Funding Job Creation (more hand outs to Wall Street) is the most important thing to be talked about in Heavy Rotation on Cable News! "We the Sheepish Consumers) need to let the good news wash over us 4 times an hour.. it makes us feel good, no matter what the realities are!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:52 | 1689689 SheepDog-One
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Got to FUND job creation in the USSA! Where even their lowball attempt at how much EACH 'job created' shows it will cost around $350K per job! Whatever the jobs are, we dont know! Walkin around in a circle?

WOW I cant wait for my Gooberment created job that pays me 350K per year! Hooray!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:02 | 1689730 JW n FL
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It is just a way to hand more Trillion to Wall Street.. in a way the "We the Sheepish Consumers" will approve of!

Washington DC is giving MORE Trillions to Wall Street to Creat Jobs!!

Becuase the $30 +++ Trillion Dollars sitting on Wall Street is not enough to create jobs.

Becuase the Lobby.. Oops! I mean Job Creators need the Money for Jobs which is God's Work!

and MORE!! Tax Breaks!

and MORE!! Tax Credits!

and MORE!! Tax credits Monetized with Tax Dollars!

and MORE!! Subsidies!

and of course! anyone NOT on Wall Street needs to tighten their belt! Austerity is needed by you worker bees.

No need to get buzzing mad! cause this Hand Out to Wall Street is for Job Creation!!

Be a Good, God Loving American and respect the amount of God's Work going on in Wall Street Offices!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:27 | 1689808 malikai
Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:42 | 1689855 Cliff Claven Cheers
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At 350k per job, it would be better to cut out the middle man and just give transfer payments.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:13 | 1689978 Chaffinch
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Better still at $35k per job - 10 times as many 'jobs'

Oh but - doh! At only $35k there wouldn't be enough for all those middle men!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:19 | 1690000 Cliff Claven Cheers
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Right on.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:01 | 1690251 depression
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$50,000 for the worker

$300,000 for the "job creators"

In Obama terms Labor Union is synonymous with Job Creator

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:04 | 1690258 mkkby
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You're all looking at it wrong.  $350k is the net present value of maybe $17k per year.  Not a bad deal.  Let's stop all this red/blue fighting nonsense.  That's all it is.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:02 | 1690256 JW n FL
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malikai

Meanwhile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o64Fz-KW1Dk
I understand that many of you are in fact jealous of the EBT types of people.. its ok, it is what you are capable of grasping.. but know this.. you are talking about 1% of a Problem that is 100% wide.. so by you spending all you time rolling around in this trash. so? who made this video? whos the money behind it? who wrote the song? and you give it air time why? becuase it is as imprtant as the 99% of the other welfare money spent on Wall Street? Job Creators are doing God's Work! now pay attention to the bottom feeder BullShit! Fuck you go playin the kiddie pool over at huffington post with your fellow kiddie pool friends! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-4DcPPYXpw&feature=related
Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:14 | 1690283 malikai
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Dude calm down. That video is hilarious. And the comments are as well. Don't be upset that glorification of pillage is occurring. Friedman described it perfectly in the 70s. We're just seeing the logical conclusion and if we can't laugh at our own folly, well, then we're all fucked.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:18 | 1690295 JW n FL
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its not you Bro.. Sorry for the War Path!

People give that kind of shit more air play than the fact that Wall Street is spending 10 times more money of "We the People" than the U.S. Military!

and that dirves me insane..

my bad,,

I beg your forgiveness!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:27 | 1689810 Scottj88
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Full Article: http://thehardrightedge.com/currency/

Thomas Jefferson's warning the coming generations of the hidden dangers that faced America: (Source Here)

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.  If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.  The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

--  Thomas Jefferson  (Attributed)

How the Federal Reserved Robbed the American Public, Per Jefferson's Warning: (Inflation Statistics Here)

Central Bank Established:

December 23rd, 1913.  While many congressman were at home with their families for the holidays.

First by inflation:

January 1914-September 1929, Government Reported Inflation: +74%

Then by deflation:

October 1929-December 1939, Government Reported Inflation: -19.08%

Then by new policy:

1933: US Government makes US Dollar no longer redeemable for gold bullion by American citizens, effectively removing the population off of the gold standard.

Then by Inflation again:

January 1940-August 1971, Government Reported Inflation: +193.53%

Then by more new policy: (Federal Reserve note adopts full issuing power of nation's currency)

August 1971: The Bretton Woods Agreement; Termination of the gold standard and the creation of the dollar as the world reserve currency, backed only by the trust that the Federal Government would be able to repay its accumulated debt (Wikipedia Source Here)

The chief features of the Bretton Woods system were an obligation for each country to adopt a monetary policy that maintained the exchange rate by tying its currency to the U.S. dollar and the ability of the IMF to bridge temporary imbalances of payments.

On August 15, 1971, the United States unilaterally terminated convertibility of the dollar to gold. As a result, "[t]he Bretton Woods system officially ended and the dollar became fully 'fiat currency,' backed by nothing but the promise of the federal government."[1] This action, referred to as the Nixon shock, created the situation in which the United States dollar became the sole backing of currencies and a reserve currency for the member states.

And since, much more inflation:

September 1971-July 2011 Government Reported Inflation: +453.73%

And the grand finale, unfolding in front of our very eyes:

Corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:48 | 1689882 IH10
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I tried to verify that quote from Jefferson long ago and according to snopes.com there is no proof Jefferson said it...regardless, whoever said it the message is spot on.  If Jefferson didn't say it, whoever did deserves some credit.  These pshycopaths are trying to shove us all into the cattle chute for slaughter...if it's us or them and they have all the power right now then we all know what the outcome is going to be.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:13 | 1689977 Scottj88
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Snopes.com is not what I would call a credible source.

But I get your point.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:16 | 1690155 Bob Paulson
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Same with pretty much every quote that was in 'The Money Masters'.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 21:08 | 1690674 madbomber
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im waiting for the collateral fire max damage guy to ream my untrained american psyche into a vague, dark, hopeless world.

and rather efficiently.    whats the medicine this week, sir?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 10:38 | 1692298 Sathington Willougby
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IH10 need to contact offline, please advise.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:54 | 1689916 chunga
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Thomas Jefferson neglects to take into consideration the "little" things they do that too often go unnoticed. Like this heart-warming story.

Must See Video | Paralyzed Oregon Man, Living on $22,000 a Month and Able to Pay, Fights Bank of America Foreclosure

"Galanida, 41, stopped payment in 2009, insisting a discrepancy arose in his loan after Bank of America took it over from troubled Countrywide Home Loans. Bank representatives told him to continue withholding payments while they investigated, his mother said."

"But then, without offering Galanida a workaround plan, the bank foreclosed on his home, sold it to another lender and tried to evict him. Galanida's pleas for help from federal authorities and Oregon Attorney General John Kroger haven't resolved matters."

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:18 | 1690293 Dingleberry
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One would learn more reading this page than with getting an MBA.  Sad...but true.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:51 | 1689899 nantucket
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i have always wondered how that stat is mentioned,...so is it $350k to create a job for 1 year, or is it $350k to create a job for 10, 15, 20 years?

 

if it's the 1 year thing then they ought to just hand out money and it'll cost less, but if it's for a long multi-year period, then there is a time period at which it may....I reiterate MAY,...make more sense to "create" the job than just hand the money out.

i know gubmint doesn't create jobs, but since it's the language used, i figured i would humor myself by using it.

 

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:05 | 1689958 unky
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Dont agree. Hand out $50k to the worker for the first year. Then invest the remaining $300k in Gold and Silver (50%/50%) then after one year you maybe have about $400k. Pay out $50k to the worker for doing nothing and continue this scheme.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:17 | 1689996 Smiddywesson
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It's $350k to create one job for long enough to get the check.  Then they fire the employee.  There is no shadowy government agency to track this stuff.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:05 | 1690124 SilverDosed
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spot on

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:41 | 1690064 ElvisDog
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I cant wait for my Gooberment created job that pays me 350K per year! Hooray!

That's not the way it works. Every job on the Federal level anyway (the only govt level I have firsthand experience with) comes with "overhead", which is typically up to or more than 100% of the salary level. The overhead goes to pay building maintenance fees, IT support fees, legal support fees, management fees, etc., etc. So for every worker bee earning his 80-100K, or whatever, there are probably half a dozen other people who are getting a piece of the total cost of that job.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 21:27 | 1690727 madbomber
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are you saying you're a federal agent?

:)

cool.    i dont understand the anti-govt-anti-fed, mixed with full-on-federal agents-community-brotherly-love vibe, but im open minded.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:50 | 1690091 Things that go bump
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Silly SheepDog.  They aren't going to pay you 350K a year for your job.  They are going to pay you maybe $30,000 and the rest of that money is what stimulates someone to actually hire you.  The whole purpose of the program is to put money into any pocket that isn't yours.  Now go and lie down by your dish.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:01 | 1690253 mkkby
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350k is the net present value of maybe 17k per year.  Looking at it that way it's not such a bad deal.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:49 | 1689674 Cleanclog
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SD-O, another interesting angle in a development that caught my attention.  Iran may accept barter for oil from India -  dependent on good that are desireable to Iran and a minimum quality.  Sure is one way around trading in US$ or other fiat currencies.  Start of a trend?  I think yes.

Barter and gold.  Here we come as fiats circle the drain together.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:54 | 1689694 SheepDog-One
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And theyre rattling the sabres of war next on Iran too....the great Messiah who said the day he takes office he will end all wars, while in reality he meant to start WW3.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:13 | 1689760 Silver Dreamer
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I guess it depends on his definition of ending all wars.  The next World War will indeed end all wars for a very long time.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:29 | 1689813 Rodent Freikorps
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WW1

"The war to end all wars."

President Woodrow Wilson when he adressed congress in 1917.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:36 | 1689829 malikai
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I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

A. Einstein

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:21 | 1690009 Toma Haja
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The answer to that is obvious now.  WWIII is being fought by the central banks.

Who's your ally?

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:05 | 1690120 malikai
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I am aligned with the trees.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 22:06 | 1690804 knukles
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Ally is a bank created amongst the amalgam of taxpayer funded transfer payments from John Q. Public to the NWO neo-Keynesian monied Campaign Contributors....
Specifically to bail out that Whatstheir fuckingname Hedge Fund that bought GMAC who just so happened to be well connected to DC's extortionists, thighe takers and dipsensers of political gifts. 

Whose your Ally?

It was your money, but no more, that's fucking who.

And not a single one of these motherfucking criminals has even yet been investigated let alone charged or sent to prison.
Great fucking country, this.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:38 | 1689837 NotApplicable
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Since it has never really ended, technically he is still right.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:56 | 1689695 JW n FL
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Cleanclog

Iran may accept barter for oil from India

India settles in U.S. Dollars ALL Oil purchases as of now and going back..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nai3fIZ27eo

 

India pays 1.4 Billion US$ debt to Iran

 

 

 http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/192131.html

 

 Iran exports 2.5 million barrels of oil every day. Countries like China, Russia and Japan depend on this steady flow of oil, but paying after delivery is becoming increasingly difficult.


India currently owes Iran between five and nine billion dollars for oil received at least two years ago, but since then it's been unable to pay for it. Countries buying oil from Iran used to pay for it via European banks. That route was closed down in December 2010, so the transfer was then done through the Asian Barter Union/ Asian Clearing Union. So what is the problem? Well there's no legal reason. It's all about intimidation. The US has made it very clear that any country that's aid's trade with Iran will get the cold shoulder from Washington. Iran's economy is dependent on oil and the US and its allies, recognizing this, have clamped down on this industry. In this edition we'll be looking at the pressure Iran's oil industry faces and where this pressure is coming from.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:03 | 1689729 Cleanclog
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All true and good info JW in FL.

But it may also set in motion unintended consequences for USA with our Iran "aid" embargo (almost always does).  One of those may be an unleashing of barter as a remembered mechanism for trade that could grow and supplant reserve currency led global trade.  Such events could occur, and faster than anyone would expect if the ongoing devaluation of fiat currencies accelerates. 

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:09 | 1689734 JW n FL
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Over Land Pipe Line from Iran to China for Heavy / Sour Crude.

China has a Renminbi for Gold settlement window, up and working right now.

India is grabing Gold and not likely to trade with it. IMHO.

'Iran-Pakistan pipeline complete by 2013'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/189430.html

 

Oops!

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/193594.html

Explosion hits Iran-Turkey gas pipeline

Israel is supporting the PPK / PKK Openly! LOL!!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 21:12 | 1690688 Bringin It
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Re. China has a Renminbi for Gold settlement window, up and working right now.

I think it's 2 days away.

http://www.panasiagoldexchange.com/List.asp?L-1554337002.Html

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:51 | 1689893 Mactheknife
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Sheep....did you forget?  The Bernank and the Fed are owned and operated by its member BANKS. Not member citizens.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 19:29 | 1690469 JW n FL
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You mean the secret share holders of the Federal Reserve Bank?

those off-off-shore irravocable trusts?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

That is doing God's Work!

Be a Patriot!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 20:33 | 1690615 Bringin It
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Agreed about less wiggle room, hence we're having a crisis.  However, up til now, all BB's moves have been to save banks, even at the expense of doing away with things like credible markets.

Maybe the banks have been fully looted and can be tossed aside now?  Some bankers will talk /break ranks if they're thrown under the bus, won't they?

There could be a delay / head-fake, like QE Lite, but he has to print.  It's the syndicate move.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:45 | 1690219 mkkby
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Doesn't this support the thesis that PMs have nothing to do with money supply?  I'm sure few here will agree, but if this article is true the hyperinflationists are wrong.  We have had deflation even with central bank printing.  Therefore PMs are just a trading vehicle, not some ultra stable value store that fiat can be measured against.

Let the fight club begin ;)

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 22:03 | 1690793 Diogenes
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That's more or less the way I see it. I'm happy I bought gold but I expect to be even happier when I sell it. I do  not expect the present trend to continue forever, they never do.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:37 | 1689620 JW n FL
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God's Work for the Job Creators is Never Done!

More Hand-Outs Please! with a Side of Secret Loans!

Smothered in S.E.C. Shredded Investigative Documents!

Please?

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:39 | 1689627 JW n FL
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And for Desert can I have some Austerity?

or..

Monetized Tax Credits?

with Subsidies on Top!!

Thanks!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:38 | 1689625 SheepDog-One
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So then what is the CONCLUSION of this article, QE3 will be $1 trillion dollars? Seems to fall far short of the mean prediction of $3.5. I still see no way Bernank doesnt dissapoint, expectations of the sun and moon delivered to Wall St still comes down to chump change basically....'offset what was lost in Q2'?

Ok, then what?

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:43 | 1689634 Biggvs
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Exactly... This article is a bit of a tease. WTF is "Bernanke's choice that has been made for him"? I could only surmise that the conclusion is 1T or more in additional QE, with the Fed decision to proceed coming, uh, sometime or other.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:44 | 1689652 GeneMarchbanks
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OT2 tomorrow. The headline is brilliant, don't be knockin' it.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:46 | 1689659 SheepDog-One
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$1 trillion dollars....we're so broken now that such a STAGGERING sum of money is seen as merely banker chump change for 1 quarter, a little 'tide me over for a month or 2'...absolutely pathetic broken nation.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 22:08 | 1690810 knukles
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A mere odd lot to God's man Sachs.

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 04:11 | 1691469 boredbutdeadly
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Sheepdog-One ???

Zat U nutnfancy?

 

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:48 | 1689671 treemagnet
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Yeah, what he said.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:50 | 1689678 Irish66
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can't fight the treasury

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:33 | 1689826 chet
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Yeah, it's going to be hard to meet ever-climbing expectations.  There is no political support for the size of package the Fed would have to announce to really "surprise" the market.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:40 | 1689628 Corn1945
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So what does gold do when Bernanke announces he will print $1 trillion?

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:43 | 1689650 SheepDog-One
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What do oil and all other commodities do when Bernank says 'The banks lost some money in Q2, therefore I need to print more debt on the backs of the american people to 'offset' those terrible losses for the billionaire banksters'? 

I highly doubt the words 'Im printing $1 trillion dollars' fall from Bernank's quivering lips tomorrow.

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