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The Silent Anschluss: Germany Formally Requests That Greece Hand Over Its Fiscal Independence
Update 2: the first local headlines are coming in now, from Spiegel: Griechenland soll Kontrolle über Haushalt abgeben (loosely Greece must give up domestic control), and Kathimerini: Germany proposes Greece relinquish some fiscal powers, sources say
Update: Formal Greek annexation order attached.
It was tried previously (several times) under "slightly different" circumstances, and failed. Yet when it comes to taking over a country without spilling even one drop of blood, and converting its citizens into debt slaves, Germany's Merkel may have just succeeded where so many of her predecessors failed. According to a Reuters exclusive, "Germany is pushing for Greece to relinquish control over its budget policy to European institutions as part of discussions over a second rescue package, a European source told Reuters on Friday." Reuters add: "There are internal discussions within the Euro group and proposals, one of which comes from Germany, on how to constructively treat country aid programs that are continuously off track, whether this can simply be ignored or whether we say that's enough," the source said.' So while the great distraction that is the Charles Dallara "negotiation" with Hedge Funds continues (as its outcome is irrelevant: a Greece default is assured at this point), the real development once again was behind the scenes where Germany was cleanly and clinically taking over Greece. Because while today it is the fiscal apparatus, tomorrow it is the legislative. As for the executive: who cares. At that point Goldman will merely appoint one of its retired partners as Greek president and Greece will become the first 21st century German, pardon, European colony. But at least it will have its precious euro. We can't wait until Greek citizens find out about this quiet coup.
More from Reuters:
The source added that under the proposals European institutions already operating in Greece should be given "certain decision-making powers" over fiscal policy.
"This could be carried out even more stringently through external expertise," the source said.
The German demands for greater control over Greek budget policy comes amid intense talks to finalize a second 130-billion euro rescue package for Greece, which has repeatedly failed to meet the fiscal targets set out for it by its international lenders.
It is likely to spark a strong reaction in Athens ahead of elections expected to take place in April.
"Strong reaction?" Is that the politically correct parlance for "civil war" these days? We must be out of the loop on that one...
The specific language that strips Greece of its sovereignty and which will be plastered over every front page in the Greek media tomorrow:
Budget consolidation has to be put under a strict steering and control system. Given the disappointing compliance so far, Greece has to accept shifting budgetary sovereignty to the European level for a certain period of time. A budget commissioner has to be appointed by the Eurogroup with the task of ensuring budgetary control. He must have the power a) to implement a centralized reporting and surveillance system covering all major blocks of expenditure in the Greek budget, b) to veto decisions not in line with the budgetary targets set by the Troika and c) will be tasked to ensure compliance with the above mentioned rule to prioritize debt service.
The new surveillance and institutional approach should be formulated in the MoU as follows: “In the case of non-compliance, confirmed by the ECB, IMF and EU COM, a new budget commissioner appointed by the Eurogroup would help implementing reforms. The commissioner will have broad surveillance competences over public expenditure and a veto right against budget decisions not in line with the set budgetary targets and the rule giving priority to debt service.” Greece has to ensure that the new surveillance mechanism is fully enshrined in national law, preferably through constitutional amendment.
And here is the full formal pre-annexation order:
In the meantime, Greeks are already practicing the switchover in the national dance:
Before...
And after.
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Googled the term "internet water army", got this: http://arxiv.org/abs/1111.4297 and:
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27357/
well, thxz, vic
i appreciate the objectivity!
BiChBlanketBabylon nite!
As always slewie.
BTW - go Raiders! Al Davis was a great man but I hope they are in good hands w/Reggie McKenzie.
the raiders' parking lot surpasses the blackHole!
acres of insanity: alcohol. drugs, professional "athletics", people with their kids! cops looking the other way, but don't get 2 tokes over the line!
truly authoritative tailgating! pistol-packin mamas
the niners fans are all totally traumatized by the OT loss in the NFC champinship last sunday. that's the bayArea sports story, the emotional equivalent of a crimex silver takedown, only more permanent
I find these statistics dubious. Greece is number 2 in European corruption index,
estimated tax evasion is 50%, and the public sector accounts for 40% GDP.
I searched through ILO and could not find the stats. The OECD, on the other
hand, notes a strong exaggeration between the reported number of employees
and the payrolls including temp workers, which would imply a nepotistic system
of shadow crony jobs. The demographics also show that it is an aging and old
workforce, which implies subsidizing the unproductive conservative and patriachic
elderly while putting the squeeze on the youth. Simply put Greece is being Fleeced
by its infaticidal traditionalist cronyism. It's not just class war. It's generational.
http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/geopolitics-united-states-part-1-inevit...
http://books.google.fr/books?id=EWgoUNMSXCQC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=ILO+lab...
is this shithead theJester or just thearchetypalFool?
he's baaaack! and w/ such troll-like clarifying concepts, again! /s\z|
we're soooo fortunate!
(paste, my emph) Simply put Greece is being Fleeced by its infaticidal traditionalist cronyism.
you can't make this shit up, BiCheZ!
i had to give him a fuking greenie!
I dig you too slewie. infanticidal. meant in figurative terms
and colour for emphasis. have you perchance been to Greece?
I spent a bit of time there on sabbatical. It's a failed state.
much like Spain, Portugal. 20% youth unemployment.
"I find these statistics dubious"
Your comment is unclear, do you find the stats I've provided dubious, or the ones you've listed following the quote above? If it's the latter, I agree wholeheartedly.
I'll take Eurostat over a business-oriented intelligence gathering organisation based in Texas with what appears to be an overtly neocon agenda, thanks; on this subject anyway.
Incidentally, isn't Walter Radermacher the head of Eurostat? Interesting last name there, any guesses as to his lineage? I only ask because I get the idea that by attacking their integrity you're implying that Eurostat is somehow biased in favour of the Greeks.
Besides casting aspersions on the verity of a respected, impartial statistics provider (and so any conclusions based on their work) I can see nothing in what you've introduced that actually refutes any of the suppositions contained in my previous comment anyway. Yet later in your comment you give the impression that it follows from this that all the blame for the situation should fall back onto the Greeks by substituting the word 'demographics' in the place of 'laziness'. While that certainly is a factor to be considered for the future of Greece, that wasn't at all what my comment was about. Something of which I think that you are fully aware.
On the bright side: I've learned a lot about you. Noted.
My take on your posts was a defense of european institutional values. Nothing wrong in that.
At the same time I have a strong euro-skeptic view of bureaucary, efficiency, and the honesty
of the process in the latin and southern countries. As for the seriousness of the institutions,
serious european insitutions also funded fresh water reservoir projects in greece that to this
day are leaky and turpid. So I'm suggesting that the stats are inaccurate and give evidence
in that direction. The ones I have doubts with are the labour stats & public sector employment.
Until 2010, nobody, not even the government, knew how many civil servants greece employed.
As the stats wer being compiled, phantom posts were being discovered by the hundred thousands.
The resulting very conservative figures hide the fact that older bureaucrats were officialised
while others were moved to contracted temporary workers. the oecd stats show that greece
has the highest proportion of temporary workers in europe, among these the lowest median
age, and the lowest jobs satisfaction and job security. Also at issue is not just the percentage
of state employees, but its efficiency and productivity with respect to the private sector.
apologies for the stratfor link above (bad cut-and-paste). here's a take by a greek LSE prof:
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/greeceatlse/2011/07/30/long_live_public_employees/
@ Archduke, RE: "...I searched through ILO and could not find the stats..."
Look again:
"The source for this figure(s) is the...Greek...news website protagon.gr
The journalist Eleana Markaki is referring to the reports of the ILO (www.ilo.org) for Greece from 2006-2009."
Good to see some alternate stats and an alternate opinion, as the Tylers in any number of posts, in typical Tyler-like ZH jeering fashion, have also been perpetuating this:
>>>The Germans are productive and work hard for their lifestyle and retirement. The greeks not so much<<<
if tyler is a jeerleader
we should offer him our buffy for the X-rated zombie and vampire chart-work
yeah, baby!
thanks flattrader. It's also heartening to see that there are still some ZH'ers remaining who will tolerate alternative opinions.
PIGSFUK - I love it, wait maybe FUKPIGS would be better...
I believe the rough German equivalent is Schweinhund
That's too funny: PIIGSFUK. That sounds about right for the EU. Thanks for a laff on a Friday.
One more teeney bit of tweakage: PIIGFUKS
And since we're mingling currencies; PIIGSFUKUS
FYI UK prints its own money thanks bitchez. Ctrl+P is on permanent mode.
Print Money? What the fuck! We use that term too loosely why can't you & I print money? Really, why not? Why does somebody ELSE have that right, or ability? Who do they think they are? To fuck us over.....
You got it in one!
- Ned
Everyone knows that this whole game of the Euro is about to fail, they are trying to figure out a way that can save face and save economies from having any pain and it can't happen.
Mayday Mayday Mayday
this is London calling...
beep beep beep ... --- ... --- ... ---...
Angie Mayday, please do something (beep)...
Jersey George is giving me another taxfree pounding (beep)...
beep beep beep ... --- ... --- ... ---...
I am sorry to hear that, Dave -
just make sure to charge a transfer tax...
for goods and services delivered.
(click).
beep beep beep beep beep beep...
Greece has a small post feudal economy and being placed into managed recievership is the solution.
The Greeks have a banana economy and German tastes. Can't have both.
PIIGSFUKUS -- get it right.
Papademos: "Do what you will Merkel!, But I still get to sit in the big boy's chair!, so HA!"
Merkel: You won't be sitting anywhere when I get done with you.
All of Greece; bite our drachma!
Beware Aryan Nation. Greecy fires can be tuff to put out.
I am sure they are quaking in their boots.
Ya, good point. Jack boots.
Germany is accomplishing what they could'nt in WW2.
http://ericsprott.blogspot.com/
Guten Tag, Herr Kommandant!
.. the error is quite understandable given the choice between hairy greek women and .. za sheep..
But seriously, Germans rather prefer to get far away from Greece than to be "closer to it." Who wouldn't ?
Who wouldn't ?
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Anyone who understands that when two unsolvent indebted entities merge their debt, the deeper in debt has the sweeter deal.
Anyone is most of the 7 billion people living on Earth and aged over 5.
You forgot to mention "US Citizenism" here (whatever that means).
You are determined to make enemies out of many seriously warm and generous people.
Keep it Greecy So it goes down easy
Frank Zappa
I wonder if the SHTF will able-bodied Greek males leave their brother's behind?
Run my Greece-y fingers up your Greece-y spine...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eHFEGbmi6g
Oh it is so on that things have very much become like Donkey Kong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTBgm5GNo-Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Its the coming of the new Holy Roman Empire...led by Germany...
Financial lebensraum. Hope you enjoyed your sovereignty while it lasted, Greece! A few thousands years was a pretty good run.
yeah, well ... every good thing comes to an end .... Heil!
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Redpill, that was deep.
Greece has been in default for 105 of the last 200 years.
Very little will change, especially in terms of sovereignty.
Max Fischer, Civis Mundi
Actually redpill, Greece has rarely been a soverign state. In fact it was only recently 'liberated' from being a Turkish feifdom by the British in the 19th century. Its been kissing UK/USA/German ass ever since to stay that way.
A. Food, Fuel and Medicine
B. Self Determination
Choose either A or B.
B exists as it exists for the likes of Iran.
If they fall out of the sphere of US citizenism driven countries, they will be besieged by their former country partners.
Greeks know that and that fear alone is enough to convince them that blobbing up is the way to go.
Are you Greek An Anonymous? I believe the question was posed to Greeks. They do get to choose even if the choice is a lesser of evils. I myself am not Greek and nor do I claim to know what they will choose or act over the next few years.
What has to be a Greek to do here?
What is introduced as self determination is not self determination.
You do not have to be a Greek to tell so.
More, I already stated that Greeks made up their mind.
Greeks decide their own fate. To resist or not resist colonization was and is still the question or do you disagree?
Let's start there.
Lets take one point after another
-Greeks are pushed into a situation of resisting colonization or not.
Being pushed in that situation is not self determination.
Self determination might happen if they repell the attempt of colonization. Not before.
And the struggle to repell the colonization effort is not self determination.
It is a classical move, sheer rationalization.
Germans are denying greek sovereignty and by thus, the capacity of self determination.
By claiming that the reaction to this assault is self determination, you shift the burden to the Greeks.
If they fail in their attempt to repell colonization, they would have self determined their fate.
Of course, a sheer denial of reality as the Germans would have determined Greece's fate.
/thinks about all the smart 'bad guys' in Davos, living the life.
//then thinks about all the smart 'good guys' here, being subjected to your nonsense.
:-(
slewie is way too fuked up not to be enjoying the hell outa this tonite, Vic!
I understand yer point, but here's the thing: Globalization makes it extremely difficult for any sovereign nation to exercise self-determination -- look what's going on in Iran for example. TPTB have "decided" that Iran has no right to pursue Nuclear Power (even for peaceful purposes), and they mean to do just about anything to impose their will in this matter. If Iran had no oil, TPTB would be more than happy to see/leave Iran devolve into another Somalia. The moral of the story: Don't have anything of value to the rest of the World, and it will leave you alone.
Your logic An Anon in response to my question about Greek colonization is circular. This is not wrong, colonization is an endless ebb cycle every human competitor must deal with. Greece has not responded in any real meaningful way to the latest colonization attempt, or has it?
I can't tell as it may just be scale, back-building or what not but the question to be or not be colonized is still relevant. I am not asking or stating morality in the question.
USA! USA! USA!
True to your word I see NMewn on the pyschosymatic response to An Anon. Some great literary humor and shredding from Akak as well. Fun Friday. The question if we are a tad macabre in our humor these days need not be raised or should it? Cheers!
I prefer light hearted fare (especially on Friday)...but elevating gallows humor to a new level has its own just rewards.
USA! USA! USA!
Regards ;-)
Citizenism isn't a word. Please don't use it. You make no sense. Bitchez however explains everything nicely.
That's not what all the other voices in his head tell him.
Dude, u don't get it at all.
Sense? Not a part of his program.
- Ned
Neither is 'blobbing' but it doesn't seem to stop him from throwing it around in a high-falutent manner.
"Blobbing", LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHYnzDHnRJo&feature=related
No, no. It's this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2b8s4VxD60
AnAnonymous works without a helmet and WITH an empty pool.
And Americanism is? Yes so what?
Americanism is even more improper than US citizenism.
Yet you cope with that.
Oh, wait, you are a US citizen.
I can cope with your bi-polar game but since your not using real terms there is or isn't any room for really toying with you know, or is there?
US citizenism means the same as Americanism.
Words refer to content, the content means. The word, not so much.
Now that you know what US citizenism, that it refers to the same as Americanism, lets see what kind of challenge you can provide to Americanism systemics.
Go and toy with that gimmick. It is going to be fun.
Has anyone done more to ruin Zero Hedge more than you? In a perverse way your body of work has been spectacular.
You got me up at 3:30 am, caring about your nonsense. You win I guess.
Thank you, VV, for giving me a midnight out-loud laugh!
Responding to AnonymousAsshole's psychotic drivel is like picking at a scab --- you know you shouldn't, but there is something about doing so that makes it simply irresistible, even if it does result in some momentary (mental) pain.
+++...+++...+++
you are a combat norm here
still, it might be possible to see A2 as a fairly well-integrated psychotic driveler...?
A2 might even be somewhat flattered by that Hahaha!
it is. a few european philosophers used it, especially after the fall of the berlin wall,
to describe belief in a sort of non-nationalistic left-leaning civic and civil state.
though I think Anonymous means something opposite: right-wing corporatism.
http://baierle.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/the-citizenist-impasse/
http://www.notbored.org/citizenism.html
http://fra.anarchopedia.org/citoyennisme
Adolf Linköln bitchez!
Zucht und Ordnung! http://is.gd/1ButnV
You guys may call it 'Anschluss' and resort to various Nazi slurs - HOWEVER, if you read German - we are literally calling it a 'Greek curse':
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,811777,00.html
JUst as a matter of explanation about "Adolf Linköln"
Adolf signifies a heavy handed German leader, and also sounds similar to "Abe" or "Abraham". Unfortunately it also refers to Hitler, but it is a well understood symbol.
"Linköln" is a Germanized "Lincoln"
Together the term refers to a heavy handed german leader who is trying to keep the Union (European in this case) together as Abe Lincoln did with the union of states in the civil war.
So what is your point??
? The Rothschilds are once again financing both sides towards imminent destruction?
Seriously, given the historical record, why would they pass this one up?
WB7.. Nice job. Here's my thought on your illustration.
You have to step back and look at your surroundings. Davos bosses know the gravy train is up. Bilderberg snobs want to continue to push the wet Marxist dream. At the end of the day, society dictates the outcome of central planning goals.
I was not born yet… Americans had balls back in the day. Government education has sure hoodwinked young individuals to get a degree and cross their fingers for employment by managing college debt expense. If it were up to Obama, you would all be going to school for a position at Solyndra
Nancy Sinatra - These Boots Are Made For Walking (1966)
Government education has sure bluffed young individuals to get a college degree. Many students cross their fingers for new employment and HOPE the new job can manage their educational debt risk payment obligation. Governments love defaulted payments, especially when unemployment is above 16%. Instant inbound revenues to raise the US debt ceiling on promised inbound monies to repay the latest 1.2T request. Extend and pretend math model to feed a government who has no fiscal budget in place. Sign me up today! LOL
You know how history rhymes...
HH,
All?
Is this the planned step for all other about-to-defaults?
Gold is what the Teutons are after...shiny greek Gold:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3093/3165127339_46c63e83ae_z.jpg
"Greece has to ensure that the new surveillance mechanism is fully enshrined in national law, preferably through constitutional amendment."
We must accelerate our plans. Begin landing your troops!
My Lord, is that legal?
I WILL MAKE IT LEGAL!
Germany invades the first country, Portugal is probably next.
Soon all of Europe will under its heel, incl the french.
The country least likely to fight the takeover are the spineless Irish, who will most likely not even object.
Sieg heil to the new Fuhrer Merkel the neo-liberal-n*zi.
Think Fallschirmjäger and Crete... a very costly and poorly planed victory.
This is frickin awesome. War will now start sooner in Europe. Time to store some extra food now. Oh, better leave Europe. When this will be done there will no longer be Europe. Americans would be happy.
Hand over Captain Corelli's mandolin, too!
It will be instructive to see serious unrest and how it is dealt with. Coming to your AO soon......
Hail Merkel!
Study reveals 20% of Germans are anti-Semitichttp://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=255105
Study reveals 99% of anti-semites aren't Jewish.
70% of Israelis think that jews are the Chosen People
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/survey-record-number-of-israel...
Israelis are brainwashed, just like the sheeple here.
we are chosen... but the dude from upstairs forgot to explain to us.. for what...
We have to do the guessing our self. Being chosed by the dude from the clouds who left us without oil ( some how he gave away all that to arabs..) does not mean you would want to be chosen too.
myth and fables
like fight club? like "tyler"? like "free speech"?
is walkure your real name? why are you wearing a paper bag? (heh, heh)
St. John Philby is the dude from the clouds?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_John_Philby
You are chosen to do what and by whom?
Just be sure not to link to the site whose name shall not be mentioned. Or link to a site that links to the site whose name shall not be mentioned. It makes Tyler cranky.
i thought the problem in these here parts was we weren't brainwashed? With a bad case of "potty mouth" to boot...
I'm sure at least 70% of Muslims think they're chosen people too
Not really, given that the Arabs are Semitic. The Jews are probably the most anti-semetic race in existence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semite
I didn't say anything about semites :)
Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_semite
Semite (from Merriam-Webster):
1: a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b : a descendant of these peoples 2: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language
Semitic:
1: of, relating to, or constituting a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic
However, Jewry as a modern ethnicity is mostly made up of Khazars/Ashkenazi/whatever other name applies to that specific turkish ethnicity. They have twisted the meaning of the word anti-semitic to defend themselves from the use of the word against them, as they are actually the prime example to which it applies.
Semites are the descendants of Shem, a son of Noah.
So the descendants of Noah's other son, Ham, would be ---- Spam?
Waxed my car with Spam
the finish gleams, water beads
hungry dogs chase it.
How ironic that it was a German in the 1790s who coined the term semitic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic
I have always been very pro-Phoenician.
As a Carthaginian... I'm a "FELLOW PHOENICIAN"... Don't ask me how... But I remember... I was here...
I LOVE IT... God help me I do love it so...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sqiGdIqsfQ&feature=related
I, however, am not ashamed to say that I am virulently anti-Akkadian.
Akkadiani ite domum!
i have nothing against jews but do have against zionists
I hear ya bro --- those rangers at Zion National Park in Utah are real sons of bitches.
A lot of Semites are not Jews. Myself, for example. ( And I'm not an Arab either, dang it. Does anybody remember Assyria? )
A lot of the people whom Israelis oppress are Semitic.
A lot of the descendants of Israel ( the real, historical one ) are the people whom the current 'Israelis' oppress. Wouldn't it be disturbing if the rock-throwers had more of that Jewish heritage than the soldiers?
Maybe we should keep a score card, and see who -- when Israeli soldiers face Palestinian rock-throwers -- who is more Semitic than whom? Maybe we should examine DNA and see who should most benefit from our guilt over the crimes of the past.
Or maybe we should forget all that Old World bullshit, and lead our species toward a future without old hatreds, and without old guilt.
I'm tired of it, and so is God.
Assyria is Kurdistan right? Mighty warriors who didn't repent, so they lost their city of Ninevah and are doomed forever to never have a homeland.
It would be nice to purge people's history, but I suspect that as long as there is scarcity, there will be conflict, unfortunately.
I believe that Nineveh was located in modern-day Syria.
@ E_Key "anti-semitism"
modern 'definitions' are tough, here, i think, E_K
ancient geneologies going back to biblical times do record the common ancestry of "jews" and "arabs"; thus, for many, "semitic" is broader than "jews"; and, as we see, how broad is a matter of question and possibly local usage, misunderstanding, or even propaganda
the fact that these ancient geneologies are included in theHolyBible should not discredit them too much, i hope
some of this info seems to have come down from just this side of pre-history, depending on how one dates the layers of text and (duetero-) re-writing in which these geneologies appear to be "embedded"
interestingly to me, if there is one thing that "arabs" and "jews" almost invariably accept in common, it is these very "begatz"
Arabs and Jews both claim Abraham as a common descendant.
yes
and what i also find interesting is that the 3 semitic montheisms, the revealed "truths" of judaism, christianity and the moslem spectrum of dogmae, too, all explore these ancient stories with the same attention as the pagan greeks with their incredible pantheon and ancient mythical histories
almost all cultural conditionings seem to implant the importance of the differences, to the extent that the post-modern juggernaut has become intellectually blind to the mystical-psychological realities funtioning in 2012, right here in riverCity. no forest, only trees, and somewhat extreme in its neo-con way
this is the "normal" scientific bias toward classification and pedagogy/pedagoguery, but it doesn't always shine as the last word in strategic approaches to its own blind spots
whatever paradigm shifts are a-comin our way, i think the jungians would see here at least the potential for a renaissance-like re-integration of these symbologies culturally, after whatever crises we might happen, somehow, to survive
and noah was told to prepare for a flood of fiat...
the blindness will want to beat the ancient myths of human BEing and BEcoming to death...
...but you just can't kill the beast...
jews destroyed their nation before WW2...why wouldn't they be?
The allies destroyed Germany before WW2 with WW1 debt.
The debt plan was never followed.
The initial sum was divided by four in 1919. And the plan was quickly abandoned.
The debt story is the tale used by US citizens of America to hide the very fact that they funded the rebirth of German military and used that place as a eugenics test field.
I know.
It's true. WWII was front run by Major US Banking Houses, the largest being Borwn Brothers, Harriman, which Prescott Bush presided over.
Ya, that firm of "Borwn Brothers,..."
'dem Borwn Broz, who knew?
;-O
- Ned
Don't forget the support of the Kennedy Klan, whose money came from bootlegging and drug partnerships with the Mafia.
And don't forget Papa Joe's deft handling of pumping up common stocks through "pooling interests" only to dump them when the public finally bit...and going short.
What a guy ;-)
Interesting theory, can you cite further reading on this subject matter?
Rickard's book covers some of this but not in detail. Otherwise an interesting read though. (Just war debt, not the eugenics thing.)
Research the Yale society Scull and Bones and you will find out how Major US Banking Houses funded the Nazi regeme.
and check out the Irvine Oil connection to the milch-cows during WWII - Ned
Actually, it started before the rise of Nazis. Nazis took over and as such, had access to what was developed so far.
Avionics were funded with US of A money before the Nazis took over. A number of war planes versions were tested in neighbouring countries like Norway before Nazis came to power.
Nazis inherited all that.
Mein Kampf.
That's a stretch at best.
There's circumstantial evidence with regards to IT&T, but the Nazis were mainly sponsored by large German industrial firms, led by IG Farben.
Stretch?
Sure.
Check who funded the lufthansa back then.
And framing too. I stated german military, not Nazis military.
When the Nazis took over, they also took over the military.
Are you autistic?
Because you sure read that way.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
not to mention the Bushes
and the Kennedy Klan
that's twice you've done that!
...when once is more than enough...
you sir are an idiot. The debt was indeed the cause of hyeprinflation. FRANCE MARCHED its fucking army into Germany after ww1 in order to collect the debt. Setting of the dominoes that lead to hyperinflation and all the rest.
Christ its scary how just incredibly ignorant and out right stupid people are.
people believe what they want. facts and logic be damned. how do you think 0bama won? false promises of free gas, mortgages, tuition etc. not that mccain was a good choice either, but it was funny how people were fainting at the messiah's speeches promising free everything
"...people believe what they want. facts and logic be damned."
Well, that explains a lot.
AnAnoymous, Bull crap. Hjalmar Schacht fought for a decade to liquidate the debt, finally giving up in 1933.
In1933? By- that time, the debt plan was already given up.
USA! USA! USA!
ROTFLMAO!!!
I've just remade the..."National Anthem"...tell me what you think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RnLyoNmOogQ
It took me sooo long, to find out, but I found out.
Good one.
Here ya go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjHHl_bAEMg
Merkle, the Day Tripper!
....the first song I learned to play on the gee-tar.
You guitar players always end up with the hot chicks...in honor ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AuxJH2Mj30
The Germans destroyed their country by starting WWI. Read August 1914...they had been planning the thing for many years.
they (that is, all participants) had been planning the thing for many years. That is why the interlocking treaties were, well ... interlocking.
- Ned
{OT--u got any relationship with "misguided children"?}