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The Silver Bears Are Back With Part 8

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Because if we have to deal with constant and increasingly more ridiculous BS out of Europe over and over and over, it is only fair to get an update from the bears, if for no other reason than pure comedic enjoyment now that the world has been taken over by the Banana Onion.


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Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:22 | 1885035 A L I E N
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So is the manipulation going to end now that position limits will be implemented in 2090?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:44 | 1885140 spiral_eyes
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you conspiracy lunatics need to sell your silver and get long groupon!


QE Infinity coming soon, bitchez. I can hear the helicopters. 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 13:24 | 1887443 Hard1
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They are actually the silver Bulls, don't be fooled by their disguise.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:59 | 1885337 fonestar
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Haha... that made my day watching that prissy media stooge trying to pin Kyle in a verbal full-nelson only to have him pull multiple Aikido thows on her!



Wed, 11/16/2011 - 22:23 | 1885498 Sizzurp
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She seemed more interested in trying to villify him than getting meaningful information.  Kyle made her look like a complete moron, which she clearly is.  Here you have a chance to talk with a lucid mind, a chance to get the truth, but instead you sink to the depths of statist propaganda, and perception management.  Clearly the media is broken, and their epic dereliction of duty to investigate the truth of this mess has propagated the looming disaster.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 23:02 | 1885590 Triggernometry
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"Add suck here"


Priceless, I want to reprogram and restyle a Teddy Ruxbin. 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 00:59 | 1885791 anomalous
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Thanks FutureShock - I was looking for those. Classic wouldn't you say?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:06 | 1886059 terryfuckwit
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would love to see kyle v hendry despite my scottish origins I think Bass could edge it ...although they both agree on so much

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 23:52 | 1885692 SRSrocco
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Good to see the SILVER BEARS back and in rare form.  As we know JP Morgue just took 1+ million ounces from their customer category and have transferred it to dealers.  Must be some serious stuff going on behind the scenes.

On SilverGoldSilver's blog and forum I have the SRSrocco Report where I do updates on World Silver Production, news on the mining industry, how the falling EROI impacts silver and gold miners, Cot Report, historical aspects of gold and silver, and etc.

JP Morgue's stock price is now below the spot price of silver.  You can see the chart at the link below.  According to the SLOW STO reading, it looks like the ratio will head even lower.


Also, if you check out the link below you can see what is going on in World Silver Production.  It looks like global silver production will be less in 2011 than 2010.  If the world enters into a severe Depression in 2012... we just may have Peak Silver.

World Silver Production Updates:

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:19 | 1885043 paarsons
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Fuck silver.

Put your money in ammo and pork and beans.

I'm completely invested in pork and beans derivitives.

My portfolio is exploding.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:28 | 1885077 HelluvaEngineer
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I see your pork and beans and raise you .308

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 00:12 | 1885722 longonSpam
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Its all about the Spam baby!! Baked Spam, BBQ Spam, Spam sandwiches, grilled Spam, Spam salad, fricassee of Spam, Spam chili with beans or without, Spamcicles, Spam casserole, fried Spam, pickled Spam, Spam & eggs, Spam tacos, spaghetti & Spamballs, Swedish Spamballs, Spam with poi, Spam sushi, throw another Spam on the barbie, linguine with Spam sauce and Spam straight outta the can (my personal favorite).

Bring on the apocalypse, I'm hungry..

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 02:57 | 1885948 zhandax
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Dude, you need to visit the Philippines....they have Spam fast food joints.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 03:11 | 1885955 Two Face
Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:30 | 1885093 Bumblebee Tuna
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Explosive portfolio, or explosive diarrhea?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:32 | 1885101 SILVERGEDDON

That is not your portfolio exploding. DO NOT HOLD A LIT MATCH TO YOUR ASS! You will go into orbit. Add pickled eggs and beer to your "portfolio", and the end result will make a natural gas explosion look like a wet fart in a bathtub. Try guns, ammo, rice, beans, MRE's, heirloom garden seeds, and firewood.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:38 | 1885118 Muddy1
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do you have the farts from all those beans?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:52 | 1885164 Urban Roman
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Long Beano.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:02 | 1885346 flacon
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Short Toopy!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:04 | 1885197 Esso
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Pork & Beans, now there's a good depression era meal. Bread & milk too.

Mike: Thanks for the beans, Duke, they got here just in time.

Godfrey: Don't thank me, thank Mr. Grey. He's got a corner on the bean market.

Mike: Saaaay, is that the same corner prosperity's just around?

My Man Godfrey (1936)

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:14 | 1885240 Fake Jim Quinn
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Ammo explodes. And if you eat enough of your beans I guess your anus will too

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 08:22 | 1886194 Absinthe Minded
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Eat too much of those canned pork and beans and your ass will be exploding. After MRE's it will turn the resulting constipated turd into fossilized weapon of ass destuction.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:20 | 1885058 AU79
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Great content - but the sound needs improving. 

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:34 | 1885414 Transformer
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I can only understand about half.  The early ones were much better.  The audio sucks,

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 01:38 | 1885861 Motorhead
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Agree 100%, the audio of the earlier episodes was much clearer, but when the one bear shit his pants, I heard that without problem.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:22 | 1885063 SilverDoctors
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SGS needs to get to work on Bears 9 already.  JP Morgan just adjusted 1.1 Million ounces of Silver into REGISTERED VAULTS yesterday, effectively TRIPLING their registered silver supplies overnight!

Also pretty interesting that 1.4 million ounces of registered silver is "unavailable for delivery" over the MF Global theft, and suddenly JP Morgan shifts 1.1 million ounces into registered overnight.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:35 | 1885285 Bolweevil
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Submit an article

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:27 | 1885082 RoadKill
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Horribly retarded. Turned it off the second I heard Trilateral Commission.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:10 | 1885229 Yellowhoard
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Because there's no such thing as the Trilateral Commission?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:13 | 1885367 slewie the pi-rat
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maybe it just made rd_kill shit his pants?

at the end where the bear sez "add sarc here" they shoulda put in:  BiCheZ!


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:18 | 1885253 Rollerball
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Truth is ugly.

Carlyle Group ... neighaaahaha 


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:35 | 1885415 Carlyle Groupie
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More Chins than a Chinese phonebook.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:46 | 1885434 MakeMineADouble
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so buzzed I forgot about that part whilst I was listening to the rest.


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 23:45 | 1885676 buyingsterling
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All through history men and organizations have tried to conquer and control everything in sight. Thank God that it's different now. With ultimate power within their reach, all the conquerers and sociapaths have taken a vacation. No one's in charge, and no one wants to be in charge, for the first time ever. Yay!

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:06 | 1886521 longonSpam
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-94!! I'm new but that's damn fucking impressive to me..

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:28 | 1885085 notadouche
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Finally some advice from a trusted source.   I've been paralyzed without new bear information.  Now I know exactly what to do.  Thank you Bears.   Thank you.  You've been the best source of financial advice going the last year or so.  Very sad that two cartoon bears have more credibilty then anyone on the financial networks.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:32 | 1885103 Motley Fool
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The sound is horrible.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:36 | 1885113 Ralph Spoilsport
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Sounds worse than my 1986 Mac Plus speech program.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:15 | 1885244 Stack Trace
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Sounds like Stephen Hawking after he stared into the Black Hole we call Wall Street.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:38 | 1885421 Transformer
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Is there a transcript somewhere.  It's really frustrating!!!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:36 | 1885114 tekhneek
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"WTFuck" LOL, why is this not my handle?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:48 | 1885149 thatthingcanfly
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That was my favorite part too.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:47 | 1885431 mayhem_korner
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I replayed that 3 times meself.

Edit: 7 times.  It gets funnier.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:38 | 1885119 Ecoman11
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If you missed it, meet the second woman behind the silver manipulation—CME's Harriet Hunnable

I will add that Blythe and Harriot both worked at NS Rothschilds.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:40 | 1885125 caerus
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that's one ugly dude

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:10 | 1885362 Hooter Shaker
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no shit.  i was waiting for her to pick up a tennis racket or something...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:00 | 1885194 Bastiat
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She said they just do it to protect the integrity of the exchange -- adequate margin is essential.  

Nice job on MF Global, bitch.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:40 | 1885126 Let them eat iPads
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I would like Sexual Harassment Panda to explain the Federal Reserve to me.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 00:35 | 1885758 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Who prints in the east 'neath the money tree?

Currency Debasement Panda.

Who tells us to forget all about M3?

Currency Debasement Panda.

"Watch TV! Shut your mind!

Pay no attention as we rob you blind!"

He's come to take away all that you've worked for.

Currency Debasement Panda.


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:42 | 1885134 Ted Baker
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Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:45 | 1885142 Deadpool
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months? are you new?? years.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 01:06 | 1885807 Bay of Pigs
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10-15 years at least. FED and UST are involved as well.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 22:54 | 1885570 Long-John-Silver
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Google "The Hunt Brothers"

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:51 | 1885160 Deadpool
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anyone know a good book on Trilateral commission, Bilderberg and/or Rockerfeller?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:24 | 1885396 merizobeach
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The best book i know about David Rockefeller is his own memoirs!  In a way, it's like Kitty Kelly's biography of the Bush family in that we won't see the real meat of the horrorshow, but it's greatly informative anyway.

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg Meeting, June 1991 Baden, Germany

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 22:50 | 1885562 hivekiller
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I haven't read Kitty Kelly's bio of the Bush family but I have read "Family of Secrets" by Russ Baker. Talk about a crime family. Put the mafia to shame.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 01:31 | 1885848 caerus
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it still amazes me how proud and unapologetic he is about the whole thing...douche

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:35 | 1885416 Silverballs
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since the these groups technically didn't exist for decades there isn't a whole lot written about them... u have tucker and estulin who have wrote books about them and tucker has proven to me that his mole in bilderberg is real.... the best advice i can give to u is look at all the names of these people that were actually members or frequent attendees current and deceased(their top aides count as well) and look to see if they have written any books articles etc.. i hope that at least gives u a starting point and i was found it funny how the media now admits that the bilderberg group is real but has know power whatsoever but they were able to make the press maintain total silence about their existence and anyone that mention them was a kook... a good book to start with in my opion is tragedy and hope by quigley and i almost forgot to mention  that the trilats have a magazine called trilogue... i hope thats enough

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 23:59 | 1885701 fasTTcar
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Creature from Jekel Island is a good place to start.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:54 | 1885172 pleseus
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Sell Gold and Silver.  It has no value. The price will plummet in a deflationary collapse while people scramble for cash.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:03 | 1885204 junkyardjack
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Can't pay your taxes in gold

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:16 | 1885246 XitSam
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In Utah you can.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:37 | 1885290 mfoste1
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what citizen in their sane mind would give the govt gold instead of worthless paper?


gold is only worth holding when the fed is printing heavily

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:05 | 1885348 yabyum
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I live in Utardia, and i would not give the bastards my pm'S, they can eat fiat like the rest:)

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:28 | 1885274 CaptA
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Wed, 11/16/2011 - 23:06 | 1885601 Long-John-Silver
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Well, you can't burn a Silver or Gold coin for heat so you don’t freeze to death. A Paper Federal Reserve Note is good for 12.44 BTU. You could take 1 oz of Gold and purchase 1762 $1 Fed notes and obtain 21919.28 BTU from them. That's at current market values.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 23:51 | 1885689 IndicaTive
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I hope your name is Ted. The Ted that's selling me my bars.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 19:54 | 1885173 Schmuck Raker
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A sentiment that Bear's repeating: BUY PMs.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:01 | 1885200 gibbersome
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Shamefule self promotion? Debt collapse is happening, but you can't eat gold when you're hungry.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:00 | 1885339 Hugh_Jorgan
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Normally we here at ZH don't feel we need to make this kind of disclaimer except when people like yourself make statements like you just did:

WARNING: ZH-ers do not recommend accumulating physical PMs unless you also have the means and wherewithal to accumulate some stock of nonperishable food and sufficient ordinance to keep both your food and PM safe. Furthermore, we also don't recommend accumulating any of the aforementioned items and then proceed to run your mouth about them to everyone you know.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 05:09 | 1890613 gibbersome
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Thanks for the elaboration Tyler!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:04 | 1885209 mfoste1
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does it look like Nasdaq is about to flash crash to anyone else, or am I just seeing things?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:09 | 1885225 Desert Irish
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O'kay the NetFlix quote gave it away  - they drafted RoboTrader as the brown bear. Hilarious. 

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:13 | 1885238 mt paul
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the bears 


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:19 | 1885257 Yellowhoard
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I've gotta go with the Bears.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:25 | 1885268 Abraham Snake
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I would think that TPTB would be concerned about investor confidence so it doesn't make since for them to ignore the major screwing of MF Global investors without any hint of prosicutions for what is clearly criminal behavior. It doesn't make since unless TPTB think it's pretty close to the end game for investing as we knew it.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:40 | 1885299 Bolweevil
Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:43 | 1885305 jmcadg
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Ecoman 11 - Just watched your clip of the ugly bint. If you sprayed her black she'd look like Darth Vader.

With her hair and Blythe massive fuckin feet, we have the makings of a truly horrible monster.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:44 | 1885306 jonjon831983
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Shit, they're almost apocalyptic now.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:06 | 1885350 Diogenes
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Why are bears bullish? Why didn't they use silver bulls?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:06 | 1885353 f16hoser
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I love these Bears! I never know whether to laugh or cry! Bought more Gold/Silver just yesterday. Had a hunch!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:08 | 1885355 pleseus
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Sell Silver. Going to $ 25.00 oz.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:58 | 1885444 s2man
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I hope.  Then I can buy more, before it skyrockets along with gold.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 22:13 | 1885477 Think for yourself
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Why all the red arrows?
Fuck yeah, sell SLV. Ultimately going to $0.00/oz. Long Ag.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 22:14 | 1885479 jerry_theking_lawler
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God lets hope so....then i can backup not only the truck, but the boat, car, rv and atv to load them all up....

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 22:56 | 1885579 Long-John-Silver
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You had me worried for a moment. I went all in when it was $12 oz.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:10 | 1885361 JacksNight
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So when will gld and slv be fleeced? Is it happening now or should I wait for QE3 first before selling?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:18 | 1885363 Bobbyrib
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The video is a complete fabrication of the truth. Why would an insider from "The Department of Homeland Security" know that the country is going crazy for physical silver *I'm sorry he actually said gold*? That makes absolutely no sense. The only way silver goes up in the short term is if they print money to outpace deflation. IMHO, deflation will be followed by hyperinflation. This is a few years away, IMHO. My belief will not change until Bernanke finally announces QE3.

I'm not saying you need to buy or sell your silver, but I am saying that the advice to rush to buy silver at any price is almost as bad as listening to Jim Cramer's stock picks. I'm starting to think the "Silver Bears" videos are made by people profiting from the PM industry. I get the feeling that those who throw 50-100% of their assets into PM's will feel like the people who held stocks into 2008.

Junk away, but these are my feelings on these videos.


Please stop putting these videos on Zero Hedge, if my feeling is correct, your website (investment) will lose quite a bit of credibility.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:45 | 1885432 SilverDOG
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So you got in @ $48.25oz on silver. 

You won't care in 90 days.


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 22:44 | 1885545 Bobbyrib
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Never said that.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 21:14 | 1885369 RobotTrader
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How many times do we have to listen to these "dire" predictions?

Last time I checked, the world is still turning.

With GS and JPM alumni still getting all the "hot jobs" around the world.

JPM still in business, paper shorting and increased margin requirements can smash silver at will.

Nothing has changed.

Silver still a good investment for the next 20 years, but don't expect anything super spectacular.  Silver is like the Dow post-1987.  Climb very slowly with lots of shakeouts.

Hold on to your coins and don't get cornholed in a futures account by the PigMen like Gerald Celente did.

Poor guy thought he was going to "get rich" fast.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 21:36 | 1893178 Xavier Doe
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How do you figure?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 22:00 | 1885449 fonzanoon
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These dire predictions do get a bit tiresome. I wish there was a news network out there that was touting the positive aspects of what was going on. A group of retarded monkeys every morning that I could wake up to that will tell me how and why things are improving on the domestic front! A gaggle of shmucks that can explain to me that the resiliant american consumer is what will bring us from the impending recession to the heaven of debt with no consequenses. I am saddened that a news network like this does not exist.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 22:25 | 1885506 Conax
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<-------Silver above $40 within 3 weeks

<-------Blythe Rules the World

                            What say ye?


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 22:53 | 1885566 vato poco
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*sigh* Y'know, I want to believe these little fucking cartoons and their jive, really I do. I'm a metals bug by nature, and even though I didn't win a Nobel Prize in Economics, I have to believe that when governments print "money" out of thin air, the "price" of real commodities can only go - eventually - up. Sure, government and big bank interference & manipulation will keep it from happening in a nice straight line, but - eventually - it can't help but go up. So these stupid little cartoons should be right up my alley, in theory. But.

You know the universal rules for recognizing when you're dealing with a conspiracy loon/whacko, right? Doesn't matter what argument he's making - faked moon landings, the Kennedy assassination, area 51 - sooner or later he'll say 1 (or both) of 2 things that's a dead giveaway. 1) "This thing is huge! HUGE, I tell you!! It goes all the way to the top!!" and 2) the trilateralists/bilderbergers/rockefellers are assigned superhuman powers, which are being used for nefarious purposes. When you hear that, you know it's time to run.

And these guys say both of them.

Then there's the phrase, "It makes no difference [how high a price you pay], it can [only go up]." The stupid cartoon says that at about 4:40. Those are *extremely* dangerous words. Know the last time I heard them? In 2006, from a realtor talking about the price of homes in Vegas and Phoenix - and we all know how that turned out.

So who do ya listen to? The lying banks and their political puppets, or the dipshit little computer cartoons using debate techniques that have long been the province of crazy people or fools?


Thu, 11/17/2011 - 00:41 | 1885764 Freddie
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You do know that the Chase in JP Morgan Chase is the Rockefellers right? 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 03:15 | 1885961 vato poco
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Yeah, and I know the "Morgan" in JP Morgan goes all the way back to Pierpont himself. So? Was he superman? Can the rockefellers and the rothschilds and buffett & all the rest see into the future? or go back in time to make profitable stock purchases? We were told - sometimes by the men themselves - that mike milken and bernie ebbers and ken lay and jack welch and all the rest of the forbes 400 all-stars were genius incarnate, with powers far above those of mortal men. 

But in the end, it proved to be the same old bullshit: they were just men. Are you suggesting the Rockefellers/Rothschilds etc etc are somehow more than that? A whole new species? An evolutionary leap? 'Cause that's pretty much what they (well, the SEC, anyway) said about madoff, and they were *spectacularly* wrong. Let's cut to the chase: are you saying we're dancing to Nathan Rothschild's tune? Sinister omniscient music he wrote 100+ years ago, refined and perfected by Cecil Rhodes and Pierpont and JD Roc-A-Fella? That we have no power to not do what the long-dead guys planned for us? What about the Walton family? They're richer than all those dead fuckers and their devilspawn, right? But nobody ever talks about THEM! Shouldn't we hate & fear them, too? No? Why not?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 07:53 | 1886176 mrgneiss
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Superhuman?  Of course not.  But the oligarchy in charge of this crony capitalistic system of ours is influencing and controlling many facets of our society; and if you haven't noticed you should do your homework - or you are obviously just another paid shill.

Edward Bernays said it best:

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the [public] is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.''

And as for trolls:

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 13:36 | 1887518 vato poco
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What a lovely, if somewhat pretentious, quote, mrgneiss. Not sure it applies to me, though. Despite your smug assurance that I need to "do my homework" to bring my errant, unauthorized notions in line wth yours, I've been living & breathing this stuff for *decades* now. What I'm saying is that I *DO* think metals will go up; in fact they probably can't help but go up. But I could be wrong. The little cartoon bears don't have any such qualms: they **know** they're right. In fact, they're so right, they're saying you should put every cent you've got into buying physical NOW! Damn the cost! Cost doesn't matter!! (really? since when?) And anyone who might not buy into that with crazed, shouting, foaming, 1000% enthusiasm -or who would say troll-or-shilll-like disinformation as "What if you're wrong, fellas? You certainly were at $48, when you said it was going to the moon." - is obviously a paid stooge of the all-powerful, dark, sinister forces of evil that have conspired to suppress the price. Which *they*, being aware of the 'conspiracy', KNOW should be $100 or more. Since, as you may have noticed, it ain't, in fact it's down 33% since the $48 glory days, they need a powerful villain to put the blame on. It simply CAN'T be that they were wrong, it just CAN'T!! DAMN those evil Rockefellers & Rotschilds! DAMN that Witch-with-Godlike powers Blythe! DAMN those shadowy societies whose meetings they're not invited to!! Clearly, those long-dead robber barons have somehow found a way to overcome our free will, and we're all just helpless puppets unable to keep ourselves from doing their monstrous bidding!! Pawns in a terrible Jewish Master Plan set into motion a century-and-a-half ago! They must have some secret tool they're using on us...nothing else could explain it. Thought rays in the TV? Flouride in the water? Mercury in the vaccines? SOMEthing's being done to sap our MUST be!

What I'm saying is thier "No way can we be wrong on this!" pitch raises several red flags that the years have taught me are serious enough to strongly consider not buying their BS; & not to do business with them. In my hard-won experience, the man who says 'It's a stone-cold sure thing 10,000 star LOCK!' (straight out of the sports-betting shill playbook) is a man who you never EVER let near your money - just like the guy or gal (usually a car salesman or a stripper) who repeatedly tells you how honest he/she is. Howard Ruff has trotted out that shit for many many years now. He won't heistate to tell you (NOW) how o-so-right he is, but what he *won't* tell you is that he was profoundly WRONG for 20 years or so: 1982-2002, roughly. Had you blindly done his bidding ("$3000 gold coming soon! No way can this be wrong!" - Ruff, 1984-2001) 'because he was on YOUR side, and not one of the Rockefeller/Rotschild cabal', in that time you'd have a) lost 90% of your principal adjusted for inflation and b) missed out on the 2 greatest bull markets in modern financial history. Would that have been smart? (Also, kindly note that those spectacular failures didn't stop him from still cranking out his monthly crapsheet/newsletter in that time, and charging..what...$3000/year for the privilege of reading arguably the worst investment advice on the planet, did it?) Even though I fundamenatally agree with the care bears' premise, their 'with us or against us' pitch makes me uncomfortable. Does that make me a shill? A sheeple? A simpleton blindly putting my trust in my bankster and political betters because 'they have my best interest at heart'? Are you saying I should just ignore decades of experience & instead blindly buy into whatever the little cartoon bears say I should? Because....uh....because THEY say they have my best interests at heart? Like the Vegas and Phoenix realtors who still loudly insist that "despite all available evidence, things are picking up, and we'll be back on top in no time!"? And if I should dare to disagree, I'm some kind of gloomy-Gus puppet of the "oligarchs"?

So as for your notion that 'since I'm not leading the chants on the bullhorn like a good little robot, I must be a troll'....let me put it this way, mrngeiss: Fuck You. I'm willing to admit I could be wrong, & have said so repeatedly. All I'm calling for is caution and due diligence. You sure as hell aren't, are you. So who's the troll/paid shill here, asshole?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 23:03 | 1885577 Georgesblog
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While all of this debate is going on, just remember that paper speculation makes your brain over easy in  the skillet. Do you want beans or fries with that?


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 23:04 | 1885599 monopoly
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There is no doubt much of what we read here sometimes gray's our mood. Tough to be upbeat, positive and not kick the kids when there is so much shit going down all over. I guess we can remove ZH from our menu and just listen to cnbc and watch old Disney movies. Easy to turn all this off. Most out there do not have a clue what is really going on.

But I am not going to turn off the truth. We need to know, we have to know. Most of us have family and that is our first priority, to protect them.  Not to many places we can go to find out what is honest and true. We do not have to agree with it all. But at least it is here for us and we can make our own decisions with real facts.


Thu, 11/17/2011 - 08:43 | 1886229 Absinthe Minded
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With all the debt in the world do you think there is a way out without printing? Things have to crash, it's just a matter of when. The Super committee is talking about the consequences of not coming to a deal. The original budget farce only netted 40 Billion a year, it's a friggin joke. They need to cut 40 times that before they start to put a dent in the debt and if yields rise here it's game over. The only reason they haven't yet is because Wall Street is here, if they sick the bond vigilantes on the US it might get a little too uncomfortable for them here. Kind of like pissing in your own bath water. When the printing gets a little too obvious( I mean to ordinary schleps) the rest of the world will start sending all those deflating dollars back home and going to safer currencies. What's a safe currency? Got me, I know where my money is and it makes a nice clink noise when you stack them.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 23:28 | 1885639 Fozzy Slippers
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I went to the Doctors office today and then out for lunch. Listened to conversations and realized we are fucked. Very depressed.

Brass n" Lead people.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 02:05 | 1885894 nachtliche
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I take all my investment advice from cartoon bears. That's why I bought silver at $48, I'm rich!

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 03:21 | 1885969 vato poco
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Well, they're cheaper than the 2 and 20 guys, anyway. Also, they have the added benefit of a 100% certainty that they'll be right. Someday. I think.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 08:50 | 1886242 Absinthe Minded
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If you listened to Cartoon bears episode 1 you might be singing a different tune. I loaded up at $15 and bought up to $39. You have to weigh your own position, if you think the world can find a way out of this without printing, then sit on your dollars. I don't think they dare not to print, the outcome would be catastrophic. One way or the other, in one year we should know who was right and who was wrong.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:33 | 1886080 terryfuckwit
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the last best prediction was the gold margin hike in 7..and yes they are starting to sound a bit too tin hatish..would have been good to hear an angle on the recent comex moves...

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:51 | 1886133 terryfuckwit
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and Merkel has an audiance with Celente where he explains to her the the theory "if you don't hold it you don't own it"

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:28 | 1886901 Eireann go Brach
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Tyler did you see this yet? Speaking of "hanging" bankers, the Big Picture reports that Bank Fraud prosecution continues to drop under Obama..that is insane considering what has gone on in Wall St over the past 5 years at least!

Bank Fraud Prosecution Continues to Drop under Obama

Posted: 16 Nov 2011 08:45 AM PST

In such a target rich environment,. how on earth is it possible that Bank Fraud prosecutions are dropping? It is an outrage!



I bitched about this when George W. Bush was President, and I will continue until we get someone in the White House who understands what the RULE OF LAW actually means . . .


Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:02 | 1888438 vato poco
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Best of luck with that, dude. Might wanna bring along something to read while you're waiting.

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