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Silver Jumps To Two Month Highs As Oil Reverts

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Silver has popped almost 2% today - its biggest jump in 3 weeks - as it nears its 100DMA. So what? It's still down notably from its Q1 swing highs but two things stand out to us as intriguing. First, oil priced in ounces of silver has seen a very narrow range of values since Bernanke's Jackson Hole speech in 2010 (QE2) when money-printing went full retard; and very recently the price of oil in silver had reached the upper end of that channel - and is now reverting. Second, the recent outperformance of silver over Gold has reverted the gold/silver ratio to its post-Bretton-Woods (1971) average at around 56x (up from a recent low of around 32x in April 2011). It seems there are stirrings in the real asset markets as energy and hard-money revert.

Silver outperforming Gold today...

As Oil priced in Silver begins to revert back to its post-Jackson Hole average - after touching the top of its range once again...

 

and Silver and Gold have reconnected in 'value' terms relative to post-Gold-Standard levels...

 

Charts: Bloomberg

 


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Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:42 | Link to Comment LoneStarHog
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Shhhhh! ... Don't tell Karl Denninger.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment malikai
Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:04 | Link to Comment SilverTree
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What is the Truth to BS ratio?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:17 | Link to Comment pies_lancuchowy
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Whatever units you would use, it's near all-time lows !

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:07 | Link to Comment AllThatGlitters
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I think silver outperformance for a single day like today can only be attributed to the breakout.  Momentum on technicals, or perhaps short-covering.  Doubt "value" has anything to do with it at this point.

 

Gold is next.  It hasn't broken out of its wedge, but is poised to do so:

 

http://www.pmbull.com/gold-price/daily/

 

Once it does, Gold outperforms silver on that day or the next.  Could play catch up even today.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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T/BS about the same as AU/seawater.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment LowProfile
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Here's how it looked to us so far.

Damn that's hard to read malikai

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 19:14 | Link to Comment malikai
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We're going to be fixing that next.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment AllThatGlitters
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Can you change the background on those charts to white?  As is, can barely see them as there is no contrast.  

Here is how silver looks to ME right now:  


http://www.pmbull.com/silver-price/

Up big, and breaking out of a descending wedge in a big way.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 19:36 | Link to Comment malikai
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Soon. Probably not white, but certainly more visible and distinguishable.

It was up very big. And a lot of other things, particularly gold, should have gone with it.

Silver's move is suspect. Gold's timidity is also suspect. Might be a nice compression play in there.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:17 | Link to Comment LoneStarHog
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Hard Asset as defined by Karl Denninger:  A mattress overly stuffed with Federal Reserve Notes.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:32 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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Hey, - - kiss off Denninger !

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:22 | Link to Comment laozi
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How low can the silver/gold ratio go? 10? 2? Mike Maloney claims there are less investment-grade silver than investment gold nowadays..

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Deo vindice
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Silver 'pops' or 'drops' over the space of an hour are not news. Trends over a period of time are news. 2% rise in price can just as easily be followed by a 5% decline later in the day.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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I say 12-1 bottom. Nothing lower.

 

Unless someday the world cannot find silver at any price for industry.

 

The price rise is not news to me. Remember, buy and take delivery yourself. Anything else and paper is no-go.

 

There will be a day a-coming....

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 20:08 | Link to Comment TheSilverJournal
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The power of the rush into PMs will be phenomenal. All major fiat currencies will collapse together with the world's bank system is basically one big system.

16 to 1 is the historical average but silver has been very undermined due to it's demonetization almost 50 years ago. And it became an industrial metal due to the technologification of the world. There's now less weight in investment grade silver available than investment grade gold, which is ridiculous. And there's only 2 to 4 times more above ground silver than gold. THE WEIGHT RATIO OF SILVER/GOLD IS VERY LOW.

With the largest transfer of wealth in history combined with the lowest available ratio of silver to gold in history leads me to believe that the price ratio of silver/gold will smash through 10/1. The silver/gold ratio has hit 10/1 multiple times in modern history and this time will be unprecedented. I have a hard time believing it can get lower than 3/1. My best guess is the low in the silver/gold ratio after currency collapse will be in the 7/1 to 5/1 range.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 18:49 | Link to Comment Tanz der Lemminge
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That's all right - he's too busy killing his own forum.

Sheesh - what a maroon - he had one of the best sites going a few years ago - then he figures out all kinds of new ploys to run people off.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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4 out of 5 technical analysts prefer Bullish declining wedge breakouts over the competing Ponzi.

My dentist does as well.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:12 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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oh you :)

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:36 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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and I bet your dentist will (at least, someday) . . . take PMs to do a root canal

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:45 | Link to Comment OneTinSoldier66
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Nice. I'm glad that I bought a little more Silver this last Friday.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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Load that sub-$30 boat and hold your hats, we're about to take off.

http://www.silverdoctors.com/strap-on-your-seat-belt-silver-is-about-to-blast-higher/

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:46 | Link to Comment tocointhephrase
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Keep stacking oh and WINNING!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Odin
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Crash JP Morgan Buy Physical Silver!.....mmmgahh...Sorry flashback...

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:49 | Link to Comment JackT
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Time to raise those margins again?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:50 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Benny Bernanke money printing finger is getting itchy again. The central banks only answer is to print.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:50 | Link to Comment OneTinSoldier66
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<-- I would like the paper ponzi system to crash ASAP

<-- Please keep kicking the can down the road as long as possible

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:19 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I hate to say it... But every day I get to restock inventory which was lost on the last canoe trip is a good day 4 me... On that note ~ the catfish at the bottom of the stream from my last expedition are celebrating on today's charts...

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment malikai
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If only you knew.. Those catfish are on my plate right now. And thanks for the new silverware!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:28 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Next fishing trip, keep that ballast in the center of the canoe..., works better. Unless someone forgets and stands up..., again.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:52 | Link to Comment fuu
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SiLvEr BiTcHeZ!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:41 | Link to Comment akak
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Trav7777, eat your heart out!

(You all just KNOW that he still haunts this forum!)

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:51 | Link to Comment fuu
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Trav doesn't have a heart though...

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Conax
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Whatever the reason, it is nice to see it making some sort of move.

Go, my poca plata, fly!  It's money and should be valued a lot higher, with all this easing and printing around the world.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Canadian Dirtlump
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I was going to lament not buying any last friday, but in reality to me getting a maple for under 35 bucks is a good buy so I'll leave it at this -

 

fuck blythe in the ass balls deep no lube first stroke - same goes for her masters pardon the pun.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment UGrev
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Definitely a forehead slap and a chin omellete. 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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I have plans to purchase myself.

Remember, taking delivery at any price 50 and below is the good thing to do.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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"fuck blythe in the ass balls deep no lube first stroke - same goes for her masters pardon the pun."

Very agile CD, very agile. I am sure that dampened some panties out there.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment l1b3rty
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Qe3 Jackson Hole??

http://silvervigilante.com

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Canadian Dirtlump
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Not that technically Silver even needs QE to explode that may well be part of it - but it is curious silver popped a much more significant boner than gold if it is based on a jackson glory hole rumor..

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:06 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Paper silver is not going anywhere, COMEX is controlled by the thugs.  If it does go up, it's just a bear trap for the unwary.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:08 | Link to Comment Venerability
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There's a rumor on the CDE board at Yahoo that China intends to utilize Silver as part of its official reserves.

Silver bullion was a part of most countries' official reserves not all that long ago, and it was especially popular in Asia, as everyone knows.

As I said the other day, China is "not amused" at the incessant China bashing coming from the US and UK. Nor does it appreciate the meddling - their word - by the West in their efforts to control oil and gas production in the South China Sea.

Anything to do with Silver - as opposed to Gold - is a revenge strike at the evil heart of the Alpha Bank, particularly its London operations. Which may well appeal to China, don't you think?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment LowProfile
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China will need some help, not sure they are big enough to go it alone.

That said, I wish them well.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 00:46 | Link to Comment plata pura
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them persian blokes are bound and determined to do the same; rumor has it the 13th dwarf that slipped snow white the schnitzel be coming out of the well flinging kesef. carlo slim the mestizo grande gato fully intends also to make ley king once again. the back side of peak silver will game test all..............

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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The price of silver and gold will next move when people realise that the money owing to them is attached to either severly impaired assets or impossible to fufill prromises.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:15 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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fuck comedy clubs, i just read ZH

 

also zero anything growth since the 70's

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:15 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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you wont find a more witty and intelligent series of informative articles and commentary anywhere else

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:16 | Link to Comment pies_lancuchowy
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the recent outperformance of silver over Gold has reverted the gold/silver ratio to its post-Bretton-Woods (1971) average at around 56x (up from a recent low of around 32x in April 2011)                       Outperformance of gold over silver, you mean .            

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:20 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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1977 was a good year for raping the plebs

JIMMY CARTER NWO PUPPET.jpg

LBJ/Nixon and every single one since, go ask JFK's ghost for enough silver to pay the ferryman

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment Arnold Ziffel
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$200 an ounce is what John Williams predicts silver may rise to in the near future in reaction to debasement of fiat (and electronic) money.

 

All I know is my SLV and GLD are up over 250% while my house keeps dropping in value with no end in sight.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:41 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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When things are deflating in 'Hooterville' you KNOW times are tough...

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:46 | Link to Comment MarcusLCrassus
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>buying SLV and GLD

>2012

 

Shiggidy diggitt doowop. 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment Intoxicologist
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SLV? GLD?  Until....aaaand its gone! Then you can shred that paper for bedding in your stall.  You should be utilizing that amazing rooting/digging device called your snout and burying some real (not electronic) money in your barnyard. 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:32 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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I see much more than that. Maybe 440 or so...

 

Anything more than that will bring us into Alice the wonderland and threaten the establishment with newly minted wealthy unwashed masses.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:41 | Link to Comment Dr. Gonzo
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I was just telling my buddy Rooster this very thing on Friday. Technicaly you should be able to buy a gallon of gas with about a silver dime and we are out of wack right now. In fact during the oil crisis back in the 80's there were stations who advertised they would sell a gallon of gas for a silver dime. No bull people. It will probably happen again too. Don't be like Rooster and not buy when oil is telling you to.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:43 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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silver dimes might be like GOLD the next time... Save your Cu nickles...

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:41 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Silver is gold.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment TideFighter
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>>silver to gold ratio

>>silver to tulip ratio

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:33 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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Tulips got peiple killed.

Silver will get people killed... If it breaks out and settled where it should.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:14 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Tuesday smackdown coming.

Hope it doesnt take too many of my orange monopoly moneys away.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment f16hoser
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"Fix your little manipulation problem and light this candle!"

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:46 | Link to Comment plata pura
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i don't know what you learn'd folk see in them mountain pictures however and furthermore peak ag cometh at the same time as bacteria gets a stiffy and goes green light cull. in conclusion buy the precious and it's lessor cousin gold.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 16:13 | Link to Comment Dagny Taggart
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