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Silvercorp Responds (Again) To Latest Alfred Little Accusations Of Fraud

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Looks like the Silvercorp story is not going away any time soon. Just released by Rui Feng, SVM's CEO and Chairman, is the latest hastily written (with some glaring typos) refutation of today's allegations by Alfred Little (and the "short industry" in general apparently) that the Chinese company is merely another fraud. This is hardly the last word in this ongoing fiasco, and we fully expect Muddy Waters to get involved as well.

Just released by Silvercorp:

Dear Shareholders,

Over the last two weeks, Silvercorp has been attacked by a group of well-organized and well planned illegal short sellers trying to profit by manipulating Silvercorp's share price with false and selective statements, fabrications and rumors.

On September 1, 2011, the Company was forwarded a copy of an anonymous letter ("Anonymous Letter V1") dated August 29, 2011, maliciously alleging a "Potential $1.3 Billion Accounting Fraud at Silvercorp". On September 13, 2011, a second set of anonymous allegations against the Company was published on the internet "alfredlittle.com" ("Alfred Little Report"). On September 14, 2011, the Anonymous Letter V1 writers ("Anonymous Shorters") posted their much shorter and tone-downed version on the internet "Chinastockwatch.com" ("Anonymous Letter V2"). It was also couriered to Silvercorp on September 15, 2011.

These allegations and rumors have caused loss and concern among our investors and employees and to the financial market as a whole. Silvercorp has responded by issuing news releases (September 2 and 14, 2011) pro-actively and with the utmost of transparency with respect to the facts.

The attack on Silvercorp started on June 3, 2011. On that date, short interest in Silvercorp share increased by 2 to 3 folds. Shortly thereafter, a false "Alert" warning that Silvercorp would miss its quarterly revenue was mysteriously and wrongly issued by an undiscovered third party through Reuters and subsequently withdrawn by Reuters on June 6, 2011. In fact, on July 14, 2011, Silvercorp announced a quarterly revenue increase of 90%.

Who are these people who fabricate Anonymous Letters and postings on untraceable internet sites like "Alfredlittle.com"?

They are nefarious short sellers utilizing the internet, fictitious names, and distributing false allegations with no, or false return addresses. These individuals are taking advantage of shortcomings in the regulatory environment and orchestrating "Short and Distort" or "Reverse Pump and Dump" schemes to their benefit.

We regret having to respond to these anonymous short sellers who have refused the regulator's request for them to come forward. They avoid liability or accountability for spreading false statements, defaming the company and engaging in market manipulation. Having said that, should there be any doubt about Sivercorp as a result of allegations, particularly those in the fictitious Alfred Little posting and the Anonymous Letters V1 & V2, a detailed rebuttal will be posted on our website today.

Silvercorp will vigorously pursue all legal actions to protect our shareholders' value. We thank our shareholders for their loyalty. We regret that they have unfairly suffered as a result of this short attack, and we remind them that they need to make sure that they are in full control of the economic benefits of their ownership in our Company and should discuss this with their broker.

1. Who are Alfred Little and anonymous Shorters?

To date, Alfred Little and the anonymous shorters have not been identified. As such, they avoid legal responsibility for the rumors and fabrications that have been circulated. Is there any credibility to the International Financial Research & Analysis Group ("IFRA"), hired by Alfred Little or hedge funds, to fabricate rumors on Silvercorp? We determined that IFRA is an organization with no registration and no address? The IFRA's Dino Huang also has no clearly defined credentials.

Anonymous Shorters and Alfred Little have not contacted Silvercorp or visited our site as many other responsible analysts and investors have done. No opportunity was given to Silvercorp to answer allegations before they were made. Those analysts that have engaged Silvercorp have determined that it is a substantial company, with real earnings, and a considerable pipeline of growth projects.

Anonymous Shorters and Alfred Little and others members of the short industry who are assisting clandestinely are promoting a distorted form of discrimination against companies with operations in China. There is a growing pattern of attacking Chinese companies with manipulative schemes, but the results have been mixed.

In case of Spreadtrum Communications, Inc., short sellers shorted SPRD first, then issued misleading reports and drove down share price to $9. But they were proved wrong as the stock is now at $20.

In case of Harbin Electric, Inc., short sellers spread rumors and false information and drove down HRBN from US$20 to US$6. At present, Harbin is in the process of completing a going private transaction at $24 per share in cash, advised by Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Lazard Freres & Co. Harbin has been on the NASDAQ's Reg. SHO list for the last 70 days, indicating naked short sellers have failed to deliver shares on settlement dates in blatant violation of U.S. securities laws.

Other examples include, Deer Consumer Products, which issued a news release on September 6, 2011 about their progress in holding short sellers accountable:

 

 "On August 29, 2011, the New York Supreme Court granted Deer's motion to
 serve "Alfred Little" with the summons and complaint in the New York
 Litigation by e-mail and "Alfred Little" was served the following day. A
 default judgment may be granted against "Alfred Little" if this defendant
 does not show up in court. Deer is represented by highly credible and
 competent legal counsel against the short seller defendants."

Deer also has court permission to serve document subpoenas on various parties related to the lawsuit to identify the anonymous defendants and Deer will conduct all necessary inquiries relating to the apparent stock manipulation scheme against it. We look forward to co-operating with Deer, and all other victims of Alfred Little.

According to a news release by DEER on September 16, 2011; "Alfred Little" offered to issue retractions of various articles in exchange for Deer dropping its ongoing subpoena and discovery efforts in the Superior Court of the State of New York".

2. Alfred Little and Anonymous Shorters are not entities registered or approved by the SEC, OSC, or BCSC?

We note that the short seller publications by Alfred Little and the Anonymous Shorters, involve recommendation of securities traded in the United States and Canada. Alfred Little and the Anonymous Shorters are not however entities registered with or approved by the SEC, FINRA or any other regulatory authorities in Canada. They are unknown individuals without any regulatory validation of their qualifications. They are providing recommendations without any means to check their records or identify any conflicts of interest.

3. Basic Rule and Regulations Silvercorp Follows

Technical reporting for mining companies listed in Canada is governed by National Instrument 43-101 or NI43-101. According to NI43-101, only a Qualified Person ("QP") (an engineer or geologist belonging to a professional engineering or geologist association of a province) can sign off on assaying results, resource calculations, and a technical report. A QP can be independent or non -independent (company QP).

National Instrument 43-101 - Standards of Disclosure for Mineral Projects, states in Section 5.2(2) "A technical report required to be filed by a producing issuer under paragraph (c) of subsection (1) is not required to be prepared by or under the supervision of an independent qualified person."

According to this regulation, since Silvercorp is a producing issuer, its resource or technical reports or assay results are not required to be prepared by or under the supervision of an independent QP. That means Silvercorp's own QPs, such as Myles Gao P. Geo. can prepare all the technical reports and assays. In order to give investors comfort, Silvercorp has actually exceeded 43-101requirements by retaining independent QPs to prepare all its technical reports before these allegations arose.

As Silvercorp's subsidiary, Henan Found is a private company operating in China, it complies with the regulations, requirements and standards of China, which are completely different from those in NI43-101 and those in Canada or USA. It is unprofessional to simply compare these two sets of data, like Anonymous Shorters and Alfred Little have done. In Canada, when this kind of comparison is done, it is usually done by a QP, not by unqualified anonymous authors.

Financial reporting for mining companies listed in Canada and the United States are required to be audited independently by a charted accountant (CA). Ernst & Young, has been Silvercorp's auditor since 2006. All of Silvercorp's financial statements filed on SEDAR have been reviewed by Silvercorp's audit committee which is made up of independent directors and have been independently audited by Ernst & Young. Every quarter, and at year end, myself and our CFO, certify, among other things, that our financial statements contain no misrepresentations. We are putting our names forward and are willing to be held responsible.

Again, Henan Found follows China accounting rules and tax rules. It is not possible to simply match financial statement with US or Canada GAAP. A detailed reconciliation is usually done and verified by a firm like Ernst & Young.

4. Source Of Information And Qualification For Alfredlittle's Report And Allegation

Anonymous Shorters and Alfred Little have made accusations that Silvercorp's information is not reliable or not independent. Our disclosed technical reports are above the NI43-101 standard requirement, having been prepared by independent QPs, and our financial statements were audited by Ernst & Yong.

What is the accuracy and reliability of Anonymous Shorters and Alfred Little's data? They said in their letters or report, they "believe all the information is accurate and sources quoted are reliable", but who are they? How can they demonstrate that? Why should we trust an anonymous person with a vested interest? The main source quoted, IFRA, only has a phone number and email, but is not a registered Company in Hong Kong as it claims on its website.

Who is Dino Huang, the author who prepared Alfred Little's research report and has purportedly sampled our ores "dropped" from a truck? We doubt that Mr. Huang is a QP, a CPA, a CA, or an analyst belonging to any professional association in China or any Country. What are his credentials to analyze Silvercorp from financial to mining and to geological results? If Alfred Little does not provide IFRA or Huang's credentials and certifications, then what degree of credibility can their reports have?

In the Anonymous Shorters Anonymous Letter V1, they state that "financial data from the Chinese State Administration of Industry and Commerce (SAIC) shows Silvercorp actually has a consolidated loss of US$0.5 million. In their later, tone-downed version, Anonymous Letter V2, they kept using this distortion, even after we proved it false in our September 2, 2011 news release.

Our lawyers in China were informed that the calendar 2010 financial statements are not available for ANY company from SAIC other than those summary data as we have shown in the Attachment A of our September 2, 2011 news release, as the SAIC has not completed or archived such material yet. The only information available for sale is dated prior to the calendar 2010 year. This fact further evidences that the Anonymous Letter V1 and V2 were pure fabrications and all reference to 2010 financial statements were false.

One thing we may give Alfred Little credit for is that when the Global and Mail interviewed one of the authors, Dino Huang, he said that "we never said in the report that the company was a scam, or cooked its books". This directly contradicts the Anonymous Shorters accusation that there was accounting fraud.

5. Anonymous Shorters Dramatically Toned Down its Anonymous Letter V2 from V1 after we issued our September 2, 2011 News Release

The Anonymous Letter V2 by Anonymous Shorters is dramatically toned down from the scurrilous allegations made against the Company in Anonymous Letter V1. For example while the title of the first Anonymous Letter read "Potential $1.3 Billion Accounting Fraud at Silvercorp: Proof Silvercorp Is Just Another China Fraud" the New Anonymous Letter's title reads "Our Questions About Silvercorp". However, the New Anonymous Letter still contains fabricated, false, selective, ignorant statements, and rumors. The Company refutes all substance of the Anonymous Letters V1 and V2 and the Company contends that these nefarious allegations are continuing to be posted on the internet in furtherance of concerted efforts by this group of short sellers to drive down the Company's share price. All such allegations are being forwarded to regulatory and law enforcement authorities.

6. There Are Significant Differences Between the Anonymous Letters V1 and V2?

a. The main allegation of mismatched SAIC filings (report profit in North America, while a loss is reported in China) was removed from the front page of the Anonymous Letter V2. The allegation was softened as follows: "There is a significant difference between the SAIC financials cited by Silvercorp in its September 2nd press release and the SAIC financials we initially obtained for calendar 2010, particularly as it relates to the key subsidiary Henan Found Mining Co. Ltd." The authors admit they are in possession of two versions of SAIC filings for calendar 2010, and one version corroborates the Silvercorp's figures. As they would not profit from the confirmed numbers they chose to report on the false lower numbers. The Company notes that the authors of the Anonymous Letter V2 are still referring to allegations in the Anonymous Letter which Silvercorp has demonstrated to be pure fabrication.

b. The Anonymous Letter V1 suggested that Silvercorp only has US$7.0 million of cash on hand while in Anonymous Letter V2 the authors now acknowledge that Silvercorp has US$87 million but state that "we remain, at this time, unconvinced that the Chinese cash balances are present in full, or 2) if present, unencumbered by liens." The Company notes that the authors do not provide any information to substantiate this false accusation which the Company contends is in keeping with the fraudulent actions of the authors. The Company has posted its bank statements online, and its bank balances have been audited by a top international accounting firm.

c. The Anonymous Letter states "The grade of the deposits is simply "to good to be true" compared to comparable companies. The 43-101 resource reports...rest on shaky foundations." The Anonymous Letter V2 completely alters the tone of the Anonymous Letter V1 and states "we do not suggest that any independent person associated with that report has knowingly acted in an inappropriate manner". The authors now further suggest that additional confidence in the SVM investment case could be built if SVM were to hire a "name brand" minerals consulting firm and have independent, on-site work conducted every time a technical report is prepared.

Silvercorp notes that in accordance with rule 5.2 (2) of NI 43-101, it is not required to have a technical report filed by an independent qualified person as Silvercorp is deemed to be a producing issuer. The Company, having retained two independent qualified persons to prepare its reports, has already exceeded its regulatory requirements.

d. The authors are no longer falsely asserting that SVM was a reverse takeover.

e. The authors have removed reference to the statement "Suspicious Press Release (June 9, 2011) One Week after SinoForest Collapse" and to a "Suspicious Management TV Interview in Wake of Sino-Forest"'. They have also removed their assertion that they used government-trained experts in lie detection whose identity they promised to protect.

In summary from all of our news release, TV and radio interviews, public presentations, and phone communications:

 

--  We have dealt with the allegations made about Silvercorp. Detailed,
    complete and accurate information that refutes all of the allegations
    made about Silvercorp is public and available on our web site; and
--  An independent committee of our Board, lawyers, KPMG and regulatory
    authorities are looking into the anonymous reports and allegations made
    about Silvercorp. We are confident that they will determine that
    Silvercorp has been targeted unfairly.

Thank you for all your understanding and support. Silvercorp will weather through this storm and emerge as a stronger company!

Rui Feng (Ph. D.), Chairman and CEO

Silvercorp Metals Inc.

 

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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:40 | 1685098 tmosley
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Question:  If SVM is really a fraud, why are they buying back their stock?  Have any other fraudulent companies engaged in such behavior before?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:44 | 1685111 Tyler Durden
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Short answer is yes on several occasions.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:50 | 1685135 slow_roast
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Insider buying would make an easy way to later claim naivete about any scandal, but this vehement denial coupled with point-for-point rebuttals takes it to the next degree definitely which I'd have to think lessens the chance that this is a scam.  At some point the SEC "has to" step in and take part in the search for the anonymous short sellers.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:56 | 1685162 notadouche
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Since when has the SEC been able to sniff out a scam?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:00 | 1685170 X.inf.capt
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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:21 | 1685715 JW n FL
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Keiser Report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJAjTa_u7Ns

Silver Corp CEO is gonna Die Fighting! whoever is telling the truth? Oops! I mean sending phoney (real{ish}) documents to everyone! LOL!!

Notice all the hot air and NO!! release of information??

I did.

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:07 | 1685194 slow_roast
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Who said anything about the SEC sniffing out a scam?  Someone short-selling, not naked, the stock is leaving a paper trail.  The anonymity of these letters will have a name that likely correlates to the short-seller who is leaving a paper trail along the way. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:47 | 1685355 notadouche
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I suppose no one but why would the SEC give a damned about the identity of the short seller but not the validity of their ascertions?  I would think it more important for the SEC to fact check the information put forth and less concerned about the source.  The identity is only important if they are acting in a fradulent manner.   The sniffing out of a scam is the natural result.  The scammer either being the corporation or the short seller.  

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:24 | 1685273 you enjoy myself
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its not only insider buying, its the company itself buying back shares. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:54 | 1685136 Captain Benny
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Why not publish the timeline Tyler?  I submitted it twice over the weekend.  Its a great summarization.

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/53968#comment-53968

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:55 | 1685144 SeverinSlade
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Tyler,

You have yet to answer any of my questions and continue to give these reports the illusion of credibility.

So I'll ask again.

"

1. So far, Alfredlittle.com and Mr. Anonymous refuse to comment on high grade ore going directly from the mines to the smelter.

2. The silver content has been "verified" by two men standing on the side of the road, picking up dust and pebbles and taking to a lab to be analyzed.  First off, all of the ore bound for the mill should be expected to be of lower silver concentration as it does not include the high grade ore mentioned in the previous question.  Second this analysis cannot be considered credible due to the extremely low sample size.  Had these reports been based on analyzing tons and tons of ore then it'd be somewhat valid.

3. If the company is actively engaging in fraud why have they paid out taxes to the Chinese government that are consistent with their reported revenues and silver production?

4. The Canadian authorities have asked alfredlittle.com and Mr. Anonymous to come forward and participate in the ongoing investigation.  To date, no one has stepped forward.

5. All of these reports have been leaked anonymously and all contact information is being shadowed by a proxy. 

6. If the authors behind these reports are in fact credible why do they continue to lurk in the shadows?"

If SVM is actively engaged in fraudulent activity they successfully managed to dupe just about every credible analyst in the silver mining industry.

Also if Dr. Fein of SVM is running a fraudulent company I feel sorry for him as he is a very stupid individual.  Nothing like throwing away your own personal wealth on shares of your company that are essentially worthless (especially considering that he will soon be out of a job and in jail assuming these allegations are 100 percent true).

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:00 | 1685166 SheepDog-One
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LMAO at #2, funniest thing Ive ever read!

Pretty much sums up the whole world economy right now, all market activity based upon a 3rd party overhearing something from a phone call, rumor of the contents from an inter office email, etc.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:58 | 1685633 gmrpeabody
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I've established my investing strategy by standing along side I-5 and sampling litter gathered of late. Fewer bottles of good spirits coupled with an increase in cheap domestic wines. Not to mention that wrappers from the dollar menu are many times that of the $7 Carl's Junior variety.

Results of this study and analysis are beyond dispute. Place your bets accordingly.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:02 | 1685176 Pegasus Muse
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Two interviews worth hearing:  

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Silver Stocks - Fraud or Manipulation? Expert panel discussion: Dr. Keith Barron, Dr. Leanne Baker, David Morgan, Chen Lin, and David Bond

In a special broadcast, Jim is joined by famed exploration geologist Dr. Keith Barron, Dr. Leanne Baker, Managing Director of Investor Resources LLC, silver expert David Morgan of the Stone Investment Group, analyst and metals newsletter editor Chen Lin, and silver expert and editor of SilverMiners.com David Bond to discuss recent fraud allegations against several silver companies, particularly Silvercorp Metals.

http://www.financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour/guest-expert/2011/09/17/02/silver-stocks-fraud-or-manipulation 

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Silvercorp Responds to Allegations In-Depth Interview with Lorne Waldman of Silvercorp Metals Inc., as well as Robert Archer of Great Panther and Jason Reid of Gold Resource Corp.

http://www.financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour/guest-expert/2011/09/17/03/lorne-waldman-silvercorp-responds-to-allegations  

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:57 | 1685634 FranSix
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Wow, hey thanks for point out all the swindlers!11  (kidding)

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:09 | 1685207 Tyler Durden
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As said, we fully expect more revelations in this ongoing saga. That said, Sino Forest duped all of Wall Street and many of the biggest institutional buyers for years, with the management team having the same up/downside only to end up being a complete scam.

We believe it is up to readers to educate themselves of the facts on either side of the story than to be left like Paulson holding a worthless bag for lack of doing any contrarian diligence.

Either way, we have absolutely no interest in either side of this story and just present the news as they come out.

That said we do find it amusing that so many precious metal fans who bash "paper" commodities all day long in favor of physical are so staunchly supporting precisely a paper representation of bullion.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:22 | 1685267 SeverinSlade
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Interesting that Zerohedge remained silent from September 2nd, 2011 to September 18, 2011.  Guess the initial reports weren't newsworthy. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:29 | 1685290 Tyler Durden
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No, just incomplete.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:33 | 1685304 SeverinSlade
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You just said you were only reporting the news and had no vested interest in either side.

So by that basis ZH should have reported the news when it became news back on Sept 2nd...

The news ZH has reported today is still "incomplete", as the allegations are pretty much identical to the ones made last week. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:35 | 1685312 Tyler Durden
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"Alfred Little has come out with its full report on Silvercorp this morning"

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:39 | 1685328 SeverinSlade
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Okay, okay, point made.

Guess this is the full report until Alfredlittle releases "new information."  lol.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:29 | 1685756 JW n FL
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Keiser Report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJAjTa_u7Ns

Silver Corp CEO is gonna Die Fighting! whoever is telling the truth? Oops! I mean sending phoney (real{ish}) documents to everyone! LOL!!

Notice all the hot air and NO!! release of information??

I did.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:32 | 1685301 GeneMarchbanks
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Now that last paragraph is just plain cruel, and if I may add, pretty funny.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:57 | 1686233 bigdumbnugly
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yeah?  you don't think people here that invested in SVM don't know it's a mining company and not some bogus etf like slv?

maybe you don't but it's apples and oranges.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:45 | 1685308 tmosley
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The thought in the community is not that paper is "untouchable" or "evil", but rather that it is more vulnerable to manipulation, and in the cases of miners, nationalization.  If China was talking about nationalizing SVM, then the physicalbugs would be saying "I told you so".  The thought that the company itself is fraudulent has not been examined (to my knowledge) by anyone within the community, until very recently.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:46 | 1685584 jekyll island
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That's a bridge too far, IMO. Last time I checked, bullion did not have management or counterparty risks.  SVM does not represent bullion, it represents a mining company that happens to produce silver.  I'm kind of embarrassed to have to explain this to you.  Perhaps you were thinking of SLV or GLD as paper proxies to physical metal.  SilverCorp is a legitimate company that is currently being attacked by short sellers, nothing more.  It is not the same as buying GLD and expecting that physical bullion is backstopping your position. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:13 | 1685218 oddjob
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Dr fein can go on buying as SVM is a fully diluted whore with more than 175,000,000 S/O. The recent PP of 10,000,000 shares at 12.70 was the payoff. Hell, any buybacks here are like pissing in the wind.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:22 | 1685262 Ay Caramba
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Should we assume by your snarky "typos" comment that you are on the side of AlfredLittle?  If so, please just come out and say so. I've gotten a lot out of ZH in the past, and frankly haven't known that much about many of the events on which you were reporting.  However, I've been following the Silvercorp news for the past few weeks and find the evidence supporting the company far more credible than the accusations provided by the short-sellers.

Your recent postings on Silvercorp appear to be in support of the short-sellers (i.e., posting the latest AlfredLittle posting without comment, and giving the CEO's open letter a negative editorial spin). If so, some justification of your position would be welcome here.  Do you have a knee-jerk reaction against companies who do business in China?  Do you assume that short-sellers like Muddy Waters are always in the right (note that Carson Block has yet to release any justification of his short position).

You're obviously bewildering a lot of your readers here; it would be nice if you'd give us some idea of why you seem to be grinding an ax against Silvercorp. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:31 | 1685297 Tyler Durden
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A: there are no sides here. B: Any bewildered readers are surely thankful for this gift to buy up SVM stock at prices that are cheaper than "fair value" due to the media frenzy surrounding the company. Or is that incorrect?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:47 | 1685350 Fanatic
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What about the possibility of existing shareholders with leverage being ruined by forced liquidation due to an artificial decline caused by manipulators, if the company is not a fraud?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:52 | 1685371 GeneMarchbanks
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Tough tities, pal. No guarantees in life is there?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:23 | 1685727 Smiddywesson
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If someone invested enough in one mining stock to ruin them, they have to admit they made a mistake.  The same goes for excessive leverage, or for holding a losing trade beyone one's stop, if indeed they even had a stop.

There's always an excuse why it's someone else's fault. 

The only person who can ruin you, is you.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:53 | 1685373 DonnieD
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If an investor gets ruined by one leveraged position, then they probably deserve it. 

Who knows if this thing is a fraud. I doubt anyone posting here has a clue.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:21 | 1685484 Spitzer
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I dumped half my position in Eldorado when Carson Block peeped. It is effecting the whole sector. Maybe its a ploy to keep silver and the miners down.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:30 | 1685527 FranSix
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You would have to include the miners in the market, they're not seperate.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:56 | 1685378 notadouche
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That is the smartest statement I've heard yet.  I suppose that's why you run the site.  It's amazing how money or the loss thereof makes common sense go right out the window.   If you believe the company back up the truck.  If not get the hell away.  It will resolve itself the way it's supposed to no matter what either side says.  Facts, at some point always surface.  It's an S company either way, Silver or Shit, place your bets.

Not that you needed my affirmation Mr. Durden.

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:11 | 1685964 bigkahuna
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The truck has backed up and the on-loading has commenced.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:29 | 1686035 bigdumbnugly
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douche

when you get through wiping off the dingleberries from your chin and gargling after ass kissing tyler maybe you'll think through what you said.

legit companies can be taken down bt large coordinated attacks by shorts.  if they are too small to defend themselves successfully and the supposed "watchdogs" continue to jerk off to porn while it all goes down, then good honest companies and their shareholders can be laid to waste.  facts don't always come to the surface as early as they should and today internet news and rumors of news rule the day.

will it matter that so many respected people in the field (as evidenced by the financialsense interview) who know 50 times more about mining than does anyone here (including tyler and carson block if he's pailing around) believe in SVM and their claims?  and what more can a shareholder go by than official records and the opinion of expertts in the field?

it's easy to say "back up the truck if you believe in the company."  it's no harder than to tell you to walk out in front of that speeding bus because there's a stop sign there to protect you.

shorting at that level whether justly or not can undo normal buying activity, thus causing the shareprice to destabilize.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:41 | 1686073 FranSix
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Ok, so if a pattern is forming here, then LSG.TO, Lakeshore Gold used to be owned by Hochschild who sold their stake, now they are under fire from analysts about their earnings.

Secondly, Goldcorp. used to own Osisko and sold their stake, much to the surprise and consternation of everybody concerned.  So Osisko is going to run into the same problems, I'd bet.

So any company that runs into shorting problems or production numbers don't match up, and have had participation from the bigger operators are therefore takeover targets.  The Silvercorp CEO aught to issue a poison pill.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:33 | 1686209 notadouche
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You must own a ton of shares and getting hammered as I see no need in taking personal shots.  It's not personal Sonny, it's just business.  If SVM has the cash and quality silver and reserves they claim in the end SVM will survive and thrive.  Individuals may be wiped out for betting too heavily and can't handle the short term drop or just flat out panic but if this company's mines and financials are on the up and up, and I for happen to believe they are then they will either weather the storm or get bought by a larger mining company that see's the smarts in adding quality reserves on the cheap.  If the company is well capitalized and has the silver it claims then hang on and watch the mother of all short squeezes.  But why lash out with such ridiculous personal attacks.  Intelligent retorts go much further to legitimizing your point than insults.   

The man said something that was so simple and loaded with common sense and I recognized it.  If he said something I didn't agree with I would've went the other way.  And this person we call Tyler doesn't know who I am, doesn't give a damned who I am or what I think so the idea of anonymously sucking up as if I gain some magical favor is too stupid for words.  

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:46 | 1685353 tmosley
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Would you or anyone else be kind enough to cite some historical precedent? 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:49 | 1685831 tmosley
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Less ratings, more precedent citing.  Seriously, I want to know as a student of history.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:03 | 1685921 bigkahuna
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Like when? I have not seen a fraudulent company buy it's own shares back while the COO and CEO are buying hand over fist. Fraudsters are usually all sold out by the time fraud comes to the surface. I cannot think of people like bernie ebbers or dick fuld on massive buying rampages just before their dicks hit the dirt. 

 

Can someone give a good template to base any allegations of fraud where the company's treasury along with officers went mad buying the stock? 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:29 | 1686250 tmosley
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So the officers are buying stock too?  Is this documented, or are they just claiming publically that they are buying?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 22:42 | 1687216 bigkahuna
Mon, 09/19/2011 - 18:53 | 1686511 jbremner
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Chinese Reverse Mergers just another Ponzi scheme?

 

A total of 94 federal securities fraud class action lawsuits were filed in the first half of 2011, a whopping 45 of those (almost half!) are related to Chinese Reverse Mergers and M&A. According to Professor Joseph Grundfest, Director of the Stanford Law School Securities Class Action Clearinghouse, “The new kid on the block is the claim alleging that Chinese-based issuers have made false financial statements. The question remains as to whether or not this litigation will lead to meaningful recovery for plaintiffs. If plaintiffs successfully obtain large judgments in American courts, they may not be able to enforce their judgments against Chinese assets held by Chinese defendants in China.”

 

A number of high-profile Chinese companies have recently fired their auditors, restatedearnings and owned up to lying about assets—admissions that have decimated billions of dollars in market value and harmed the value and reputations of virtually all other Chinese reverse-merger companies. Since April, the Halter USX China Index, an index of US-listed Chinese companies, indicates that stock prices have fallen more than 50 percent.

 

In an attempt to address the series of financial scandals of Chinese companies listed in America, US regulators flew to Beijing in July. The U.S. delegation from the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and The Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB) met with Chinese counterparts at the Ministry of Finance and the China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) but failed toagree upon set of cross-border auditing standards. According to an article in Caijing Magazine, a Chinese source close to the negotiations said that the US delegation drafted a list of public companies and brokerage organizations that they wished to investigate, but the Chinese side insisted that this would breach China’s sovereignty and rejected the request.

 

SEC’s microcap fraud task force is gathering information and passing it along to the FBI, but even the FBI is limited in what in can do when the fraud is in another country where defendants are insulated from US judgments by geography and Chinese law. Some say the FBI should be investigating the bankers arranging the deals as 7 USinvestment banks were named in these years’ class action lawsuits, but whether that happens with any real recourse remains to be seen.

 

This epidemic seems to indicate that the moral hazard for investment bankers must be too much to bear. All that is required is a Chinese proxy to act as a company and anaccounting firm to make up numbers--imagine if you could IPO in the biggesteconomy, in the biggest financial markets with the biggest investors in theworld and not have any concern for legal recourse against you, your assets or cash flow! What got my attention was the money the bankers are making, it’s almost unbelievable: currently, bankers are taking up to 10% free equity (amounts unheard of by usual standards) in a Chinese company just for arranging the IPO. The lawyers and accountants also get big chunks of free equity. But wait, why is the pay so rich? Doesn’t it seem too good to be true? Ah yes, the question that everyone thinks Bernie Madoff’s money raisers should have asked, how come everybody is making so much money, isn’t there something wrong?

 

Well that’s the point with US-listed Chinese stocks: there is a Great Wall between the cash flow and assets, and the shell of the company that is public on the US Exchanges. So in effect there are two companies—and the company investors own shares in is the one which has no cash flow or assets attached to it. Just like a Ponzi scheme, with no substance to back up value, a share is really only worth what a subsequent investor will pay. Just don’t be the last guy holding the stock because you don’t own anything tangible, anything with legal recourse, and the only money you’ll get out of it is from the next sucker you sell it to.

  

JBremner

Founder

IVEST 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:54 | 1685155 CPL
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Bre-x did.  In fact go look at the directors and go look for similar names that "helped" BreX.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:13 | 1685228 oddjob
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Southwestern Gold.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:03 | 1685925 FranSix
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Here's the reference.  Remember the story now.  Was quite the market darling prior to revelations.  I think SVM is quite the different story, since you have a mine in production, not an exploration story.

Mines have many ways of stockpiling ore, reporting grades, stockpiling dore bars, and accounting for by product metals.  Could be also that some hedges in place are affecting the bottom line.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/06/25/canada-mining-fraud-idUSN2527711920090625

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:14 | 1685984 bigkahuna
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This story is not precedent. The CEO sold stock prior to the fraud allegations, then he admitted he was a fraud.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:51 | 1686291 FranSix
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Yes, I know, but the frauds are becoming apparent.  Looking through the presentation, the first stop is claims that the costs are below zero.  Big red flag.  Then you have the dilutions and dividend payouts.  Yes, they have a producing mine, but their numbers may be overstated.  Just the same, a lot of people have placed their investment with this company, and I have followed it on and off over a few years.  I wouldn't be surprised if a larger operator in the silver space is behind it all.

There are other ways to mine the markets as well.  Another way frauds are active in the tightly regulated mining shares is the claim that there is a disseminated precious metal deposit of very low grade over very large widths, rather than a narrow vein. (narrow veins are hugely unpopular because the numbers just aren't big enough)

http://www.bnn.ca/News/2011/9/15/Silvercorp-CEO-calls-allegations-criminal.aspx

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:16 | 1685989 FranSix
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Strange to say, Hochschild bought out Southwestern Gold, probably for its silver content:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/03/10/hochschild-southwestern-idUSLA66835120090310

Not only that but Hochschild also owns GORO, also under fire from the short sellers.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:00 | 1685171 SeverinSlade
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A quote from that article.

"But when a CEO actually digs into his own wallet to buy his stock, well, that's worth paying attention to. The same is true for the CFO and, to a lesser extent, the company's officers and directors."

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:44 | 1685099 fuu
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This just cracks me up.

"Over the last two weeks, Silvercorp has been attacked by a group of well-organized and well planned illegal short sellers trying to profit by manipulating Silvercorp's share price with false and selective statements, fabrications and rumors."

So JPM, GS, and the Fed?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:02 | 1685178 SheepDog-One
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Seems to be the only logical conclusion!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:43 | 1685109 dlmaniac
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SVM is a legit company, just a little too small to fight off the short-term manipulation.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:44 | 1685110 Spitzer
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Full interview with SVM lawyer on Jim Puplava's show

http://www.netcastdaily.com/broadcast/fsn2011-0917-3.mp3

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 21:31 | 1687035 Thinkor
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I found SVM's lawyer to be highly credible.  If he's lying, he's the best liar I've ever heard.  Way better than Alan Dershitwich.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 21:55 | 1687101 FranSix
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If you ask me, Great Panther is the only legitimate one of the three.  The lawyer is there to make sure that all of the legal requirements are fulfilled.  He doesn't understand that attempting to promote a 'negative cost' mine is attracting all sorts of sharks.  Its like throwing blood in the water.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:45 | 1685117 rich_maverick
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When a CEO is buying up shares hand over fist. Then, using the company's own cash (which shorts claim does not exist), to buy up millions of shares to terminate (i.e. permanently remove from outstanding pool), issue dividends to shareholders, pay taxes, buy up other mining rights, etc..., demonstrate their bank statment with cash being what claimed, it's hard to imagine the company is the fraud the shorts claim it to be.  You can manipulate earnings every way to Sunday.  But, cash flow is hard to manipulate (next to impossible).  Cash has to come from somewhere.  So, unless SVM is some big money laundering operation for Asia drug trafficing (i.e. where the money is coming from), this company is as legit as they come from China.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:33 | 1685535 FranSix
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It might not matter if one side is correct in their facts, if the company is overvalued, and the market is set for a fall, it makes the wrong assumptions correct.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:47 | 1685120 Habecki
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I sincerely hope this works out for those piling in now.  If this is a scam all the newsletter/analysts who have vouched for the company during this moment should be taken out to the woodshed.

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:50 | 1685133 notadouche
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Don't most fraudulent corporations, when a spotlight is shone on the organization disappear in the middle of the night leaving empty offices etc..  I've never seen a scam artest stick around to fight in an open arena.  Makes me go Hmmmm.   When someone is acting in a just manner, do they remain anonymous and lurk in the shadows while the scammer operates in the light of day?  Just asking a logical question that deserves common sense answers.  You answer that then you know which side to bet on if you choose to be in the game.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:03 | 1685181 fuu
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Enron

Bear

Lehman

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:07 | 1685195 SeverinSlade
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Were any of the insiders for Enron, Bear Stearns, and Lehman Bros buying stock while being investigated?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:47 | 1685258 fuu
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Not that I can find.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:57 | 1685394 tmosley
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Are insiders buying SVM, or are they just buying up stock with cash reserves?

Can they really be doing that bad if they have enough cash reserves to buy up stock?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:50 | 1685140 MountainHawk
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^^^^ SMV stock owner per Peter Schiff's recommendations on it for a VERY LONG TIME now. He alluded just last week he bought some more on hte dip. Who's correct Mr. Little or Mr Schiff???? Guess we'll see...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:53 | 1685152 spiral_eyes
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Peter Schiff, bitchez.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:06 | 1685192 Spitzer
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Its is also a Casey Research pick. Basically the whole goldbug world is long this stock.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:55 | 1685385 GeneMarchbanks
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Not me, I got in got out in March. It was frothy to say the least. Great Panther and Fortuna will out do SVM in the long run, that is, if they are legit.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:25 | 1685501 Spitzer
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I dumped half in April and then the rest when the news broke.

One thing in common with all the goldbugs long this stock..... They also recomend gold and silver ETFs.

Schiff, Casey and Rick Rule trust the GLD et al.

I sure as hell don't, niether does FOFOA

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:31 | 1685765 Smiddywesson
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If they bought a stock, and treated it like it was an investment, IN THE MOST VOLITILE MARKETS IN HISTORY, then they should not complain about their paper losses due to a refusal to close the position.

If you want to treat your stock trades like buy and hold investments, then you get what most buy and hold investors get.  Sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes you get screwed. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:54 | 1685142 unky
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I think there is no point in owning mining shares, as I see only small difference to other paper traded products.

Mining shares can be subject to taxation, regulation, manipulation, short selling or confiscation, so can paper products (silver futures).

I think it would even be better to go long Silver or Gold futures with a leverage of 2X or 10X (instead of the mining shares).

Of course, if everybody did that, they could short sell to everyone and the price would never rise. Thats why I came to the conclusion that physical is best.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:04 | 1685187 SheepDog-One
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'Miner stocks'...yea theyre not for me. Its like if someone wants to invest in the NFL, they'd buy pork futures? Its too much of a non-correlation to me. And I dont trust miners anyway, they have small hands and smell like cabbage.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:36 | 1685545 FranSix
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So the easy route would then be to pick out where the leverage is biased in the market and the go long or short.  The easy trade is long gold, short the miners, because the leverage against the stocks is most likely to cause the panic.

But there are lots of short sellers with very long obligations against smaller gold stocks that stand to get hanged for failures to deliver should the market move against them.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:52 | 1685147 SilverRhino
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Nice takedown on Silver this morning.   Guess I'm just buying the F#$%ing dip today.  :)

Picking up proofs for melt value, works for me. :)

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:54 | 1685157 Al Huxley
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The stock's been dropping since April, and no matter what the CEO says, the chart is saying pretty loud and clear that there's a big risk of more downside to come. The PM mining sector as a whole looks really good, I'm always surprised at how many people insist on trying to make money by sticking with the poor performers, hoping they'll come back, documenting evidence as to why the share-price is too low, defending the company against all those malicious short sellers and rumor mongers, etc... when there are so many better options available.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:00 | 1685169 slewie the pi-rat
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OT:  from al-jazeera via the tripoli post & morgan strong's daily summary of the US & int'l reporting on the "final" two battles for bani walid & sirta (the moQ's bithplace) [paste fr: Summary of the American and International Press on the Libyan Revolution - <i>Morgan Strong</i>]:

On the battle front, NTC fighters were pushing closer to Sirte, one of the final stronghold of Al Qathafi's loyalist troops. There has been no progress in the other battle to take Bani Walid.  The NTC forces said they had suffered many casualties in Sunday's fighting, with at least five dead, and 14 injured.

"We have won several battles against the NATO collaborators and managed to push them out of Bani Walid and Sirte", Moussa Ibrahim, Al Qathafi's spokesman told Syria-based Alrai television channel by telephone.
Ibrahim said the Al Qathafi forces have captured a group of 17 "mercenaries" in Bani Walid.

"They are technical experts and they include consultative officers. Most of them are French, one of them is from an Asian country that has not been identified, two English people and one Qatari," he said.

NATO, French and British officials had on Saturday denied a report by Alrai TV that some NATO troops had been captured by Al Qathafi loyalists.

Western special forces are known to have been in Libya and to have liaised with anti-Al Qathafi officials during the conflict. Private security firms have also been helping anti-Al Qathafi forces, according to Western media reports.   (end paste; some editing, emphases mine)

oh, dear!  more lawlessness under the cover of law & humanitarianism from NATO & TPTB thru the UN?  who coulda known?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:13 | 1685222 Smiddywesson
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Anonymous Shorters and Alfred Little and others members of the short industry who are assisting clandestinely are promoting a distorted form of discrimination against companies with operations in China. There is a growing pattern of attacking Chinese companies with manipulative schemes, but the results have been mixed.

Really?  A "distorted" form of discrimination against Chinese companies?  There's absolutely no transparency at all in China.  Their economic numbers are as reliable as Big Foot photos on the cover of supermarket tabloids.  Even a Ph.D. should realize that after a boom like China just experienced the country should be chock full of phoney companies.  And low and behold, what are being uncovered all the time?  Phoney companies.

Gee, it must be discrimination. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:23 | 1686210 kinik77
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Head office is in Vancouver, Canada.  These guys are no different from the multitudes of other CANADIAN mining company PRODUCING ore in a different country.  So yes, no transparency in many Chinese owned and operated companies but Silvercorp isn't one of them.  And please don't  bother giving me that these guys are in the same boat as Sino Forest.  Sino had just a bunch of contracts that NOBODY bothered to check out.  Silvercorp is PRODUCING meaning they got past drilling, proving reserves, getting permits, building a mill, etc etc all stuff you don't do if you're bothering to be the next Bre-X.  And YES real live analysts in the Mining Industry have been to China to see all this shit so I'll take their word against this Alfred My Dick is Little asshole who did a hatchet job and cost investors a whack of money.

The fucking hypocrasy from some ZH posters makes me sick sometimes.  We all hate it that people are being manipulated/conned and stolen from by the Fed, Wall Street Banksters, etc, etc so where is this sentiment for Silvercorp and their Investors.  Could it be missing because of the "all Chinese companies are evil" tone that this entire affair reeks of?

 

I hope these "short" fuckers do go to jail for this shit.  

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:14 | 1685232 Seasmoke
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its getting much harder to tell the good guys from the bad guys

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:31 | 1685294 rich_maverick
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The way to make money now is to claim to be a Chinese short.  So, you are untoucheable.  Make all the claims you can and profit from the takedown.  In fact, you don't need to be in China.  Just claim that you are in China and can't come forward for fear of reprisal.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:22 | 1685250 Texas Ginslinger
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" We are putting our names forward and are willing to be held responsible."

Willing..???  Right.  Tells me he has the most $$ to lose.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:28 | 1685272 Monedas
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Eat my edit ! Monedas 2011

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:27 | 1685281 Monedas
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If the SHTF you won't have time to convert your mining shares to bullion ! You won't even have time to convert it to paper PMs ! It takes a couple of weeks to convert and take physical delivery during calm times ! Imagine the things that could go wrong during a panic ? Monedas 2011 Hoarders have more fun !

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:34 | 1685310 Atch Logan
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Exactly.  And from what I have been reading, I cannot discover why America (ie our financial system/banks, Fed/Ben, Wallstreet, Obama, etc., etc.,) is any different than China: perhaps worse.  WTF is going on here? 

I know you are all dumb, but have you been dumbed down that much?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:42 | 1685334 Atch Logan
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You all are being scammed by the master scammers:  find a vulnerable company (ie China, Canada) with high equity, then come up with an OPINION busting their butt, and then put it out there after shorting the hell out of the company.  This is a transparent scam, done by financial cowards.  Ignorant people who haven't investigated the charges on both sides should shut up. Trolls.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:03 | 1685417 Steroid
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You don't have to go to China.

Look what they did with Sterling Mining and the Sunshine Mine in Idaho.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:13 | 1685454 Whalley World
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Should be an intersting AGM this Friday in Vancouver, I am looking forward to the fireworks.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:23 | 1685494 FranSix
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Its funny, isn't it, that the banking sector can report a loss in one instance on say, a silver trade and take a tax loss sale, while on the other hand they record a profit elsewhere?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:44 | 1685577 FranSix
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GDXJ tossing silver miners

Just noticed that rebalancing in the GDXJ is biased towards gold miners, while they are dropping silver miners:

 

http://seekingalpha.com/article/293249-reacting-to-a-rebalancing-of-junior-gold-miners-etf

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:51 | 1685608 dlmaniac
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Tyler, since you wanna present things as are then let me add a little more here: SVM is a pick Casey Research, the source where you've got lots of PM articles from, STRONGLY stand behind during this Alfred Little fiasco. Their CEO RUI is a well-respected pro in the mining sector.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:00 | 1685644 lunar
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJAjTa_u7Ns&feature=player_embedded

Rogue traders, short sellers - seppuku, anyone?

Stacy Herbert (Keiser Report)

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:03 | 1685657 Cast Iron Skillet
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This might be too much conspiracy theory, but might it be that the Chinese are trying to crush the price of SVM so that they can buy out the company on the cheap, since the SVM mines are in China? Maybe they need a bunch of silver to make coins or something ...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:11 | 1685673 FranSix
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Short sellers are not illegal in any way, and aren't a suspicious lot in the least.  What I think is happening is that ppl. are placing their bets on the changes in the gold/silver ratio, where gold must insistently advance against silver for some time.

That's all this means.  

There stands to be a lot of dissapointed investors in the miners if they bet solely on the equity price advance, and not the fundamentals of the company.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:14 | 1685692 Cast Iron Skillet
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I didn't mean to imply that anything illegal was going on, I just speculated that the short seller might have a particular plan ...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:24 | 1685729 FranSix
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Somebody has to take out the garbage.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:40 | 1685786 Smiddywesson
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This might be too much conspiracy theory, but might it be that the Chinese are trying to crush the price of SVM so that they can buy out the company on the cheap, since the SVM mines are in China?

A stealth nationalization program by the Chinese?  I love it!!!  Good tradecraft is always repeated.  So we will find out if your theory holds water, because there will be other Chinese companies attacked if you were right.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 20:36 | 1686853 Tompooz
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This strategy worked with CSR (China Security and Surveillance) which was just bought out by the founder for a fraction of the value, after similar short attacks and accusations.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:09 | 1685676 Elmer Fudd
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Funny thing working with a den of thieves, he who get out first makes the money.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:21 | 1685698 JW n FL
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Keiser Report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJAjTa_u7Ns

Silver Corp CEO is gonna Die Fighting! whoever is telling the truth? Oops! I mean sending phoney (real{ish}) documents to everyone! LOL!!

Notice all the hot air and NO!! release of information??

I did.

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